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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:39 pm

Seems like the most sensible option. A and B are fine and serve CVG well.

I'd wonder though if DL would really want to operate from two different concourses again.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:29 am

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So word around the airport at CVG is that the administration has chosen it's preferred option for future use of the passenger facilities. Going off of this document - https://www.airportprojects.net/cvg-mpu ... Boards.pdf - the airport is going with Family 1 Concept 3.

This would result in a pretty large decrease in the number of International gates but it would eliminate the rescreening process for the majority of passengers.


A bit anticlimactic if true but completely understandable. I too feel they are actually pretty decent. So will DL still control all of B? To themselves? Seems like you could keep AA there long term and throw in UA. Keep everyone else in B? Really I feel like the concourses are like having shoes a size or two too large. They just need to keep adding new cities/flights to fill out what they have. With the current setup what is the upper range passenger capacity of the concourses yearly? I assume no huge expansion would be needed for quite some time.

Side note, kind of annoyed when doing WN and how crowded their two gates are when two flights are close together. Some of the gates in B generally feel too small sometimes but not sure what could be done about that.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:58 am

Springs1816 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
So word around the airport at CVG is that the administration has chosen it's preferred option for future use of the passenger facilities. Going off of this document - https://www.airportprojects.net/cvg-mpu ... Boards.pdf - the airport is going with Family 1 Concept 3.

This would result in a pretty large decrease in the number of International gates but it would eliminate the rescreening process for the majority of passengers.


A bit anticlimactic if true but completely understandable. I too feel they are actually pretty decent. So will DL still control all of B? To themselves? Seems like you could keep AA there long term and throw in UA. Keep everyone else in B? Really I feel like the concourses are like having shoes a size or two too large. They just need to keep adding new cities/flights to fill out what they have. With the current setup what is the upper range passenger capacity of the concourses yearly? I assume no huge expansion would be needed for quite some time.

Side note, kind of annoyed when doing WN and how crowded their two gates are when two flights are close together. Some of the gates in B generally feel too small sometimes but not sure what could be done about that.

I think in the mid-term that gates won't really be the main pain point for growth but rather the land side terminal check-in and baggage claim. Delta is still occupying half the check-in space...wonder if that could be consolidated more to provide additional counter space? I know AA's location at B is supposed to be temporary, but I agree with you that it would be nice to move UA and AA there permanently as Concourse A could be come very tight indeed if NK, B6 or SY ever eventually come to town let alone any expansion from WN, G4 and F9.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:51 am

CVG and CMH will be among the first destinations for UA's CRJ-550: https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ai ... 9BfI8hEc6o
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:43 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
CVG and CMH will be among the first destinations for UA's CRJ-550: https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ai ... 9BfI8hEc6o


Nice to see in coming to Columbus! Might be able to get on it sometime. It seems a bit odd that they are using the same plane and calling it a different model.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:44 pm

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CMHtraveler wrote:
From Enilria’s weekly OAG thread:
*UA DAY-EWR JAN 1.0>0.2[1.1] FEB 1.0>0[1.0]


Poor Dayton, the hits just keep coming. They’ll still have NYC access via AA to LGA but as we’ve discussed before the proximity to CVG (and to a lesser extent CMH and IND) seems to be just killing them.


Not good, but at least they'll still (probably) have LGA-DAY as long as there's a reason to funnel airplanes to/from MX.

Wasn't there some talk of UA focusing IAD on connections and EWR on O&D? Maybe this is the start of that? (DAY-IAD gets E75s every now and then, FWIW.)


At the risk of tooting my own horn, this is exactly what happened- DAY-IAD goes from 2 to 3 daily in April in conjunction with DAY-EWR being dropped.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:39 pm

After last week’s OAG thread showed several November WN CMH frequency increases, the consensus was that they were holiday peak increases only. This week we see even more increases for December:

WN CMH-DAL DEC 1.5>1.8[1.3]
WN CMH-DEN DEC 1.4>1.7[1.3]
WN CMH-FLL DEC 1.5>1.9[1.6]
WN CMH-OAK DEC 0.6>0.9[0.4]
WN CMH-RSW DEC 1.9>3[2]
WN CMH-TPA DEC 3>4[3]

Dummy bookings for CMH-RSW and DAL on random dates in early December show the additional flights so at least some of these are more than holiday peak increases. The big head scratcher is CMH-OAK, which is supposed to end completely but for some reason is getting more frequencies in December? Hmmm. Also:

DL CMH-DTW MAR 6>7[6] APR 6>7[6]
DL CMH-RDU FEB 0.8>0.6[0.8]

An upgauge would be nice rather than yet another RJ to DTW, but the network carriers seem to love frequency on these connection shuttles and the logic makes sense. Looks like maybe F9 wasn’t the only one struggling with RDU?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:22 pm

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The big head scratcher is CMH-OAK, which is supposed to end completely but for some reason is getting more frequencies in December?


Likely just a final holiday addition. The route ends Eff Jan 6.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:09 pm

Convair crash near TOL: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431073
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:38 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
After last week’s OAG thread showed several November WN CMH frequency increases, the consensus was that they were holiday peak increases only. This week we see even more increases for December:

WN CMH-DAL DEC 1.5>1.8[1.3]
WN CMH-DEN DEC 1.4>1.7[1.3]
WN CMH-FLL DEC 1.5>1.9[1.6]
WN CMH-OAK DEC 0.6>0.9[0.4]
WN CMH-RSW DEC 1.9>3[2]
WN CMH-TPA DEC 3>4[3]

Dummy bookings for CMH-RSW and DAL on random dates in early December show the additional flights so at least some of these are more than holiday peak increases. The big head scratcher is CMH-OAK, which is supposed to end completely but for some reason is getting more frequencies in December? Hmmm. Also:

DL CMH-DTW MAR 6>7[6] APR 6>7[6]
DL CMH-RDU FEB 0.8>0.6[0.8]

An upgauge would be nice rather than yet another RJ to DTW, but the network carriers seem to love frequency on these connection shuttles and the logic makes sense. Looks like maybe F9 wasn’t the only one struggling with RDU?

I don't think you can really read anything into how WN is changing their schedules when removing the MAX.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:11 pm

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I don't think you can really read anything into how WN is changing their schedules when removing the MAX.


I’m sure you’re correct in terms of long-term changes, it’s just pleasantly surprising to see frequency increases instead of cuts given the airframe shortage, even if temporary.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:30 pm

Haven't heard much news lately from CMH of late...anything possible out there (apart from the usual TATL scuttlebutt)?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:55 am

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Haven't heard much news lately from CMH of late...anything possible out there (apart from the usual TATL scuttlebutt)?


Nothing exciting I’m aware of (unless the AA TWA retro scheme 738 coming to town today counts), but I did notice that disassembly of the old jetbridge at C50 has begun. Today they hoisted down the big red “50” sign on top, presumably to replace it when the new jetbridge is installed. Maybe deltarules has thoughts about how these replacements will impact gate usage?

Pretty slow on the news front lately...
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:24 am

Aircraft emergency into CMH , look like a AA 763 PHL-LAX dropping in and quick ! CFD assisting as well !
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:27 am

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Aircraft emergency into CMH , look like a AA 763 PHL-LAX dropping in and quick ! CFD assisting as well !


Yeah I was told it was due to engine problems. I've got pictures of ot at gate B35 if I can figure out how to upload them.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:15 am

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Here are the photos I snapped from B35 tonight.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:38 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
Haven't heard much news lately from CMH of late...anything possible out there (apart from the usual TATL scuttlebutt)?


Robert1010 wrote:
Aircraft emergency into CMH , look like a AA 763 PHL-LAX dropping in and quick ! CFD assisting as well !


Ask and you will receive, lol. Thankfully the aircraft in CMH without issue, other than being met by ARFF. Also, looks like the Dispatch caught wind of the unexpected arrival:

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190916/ ... us-airport

RAM787 wrote:
Here are the photos I snapped from B35 tonight.


Great photos! Thanks for sharing. Is the plane still AOG in CMH?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:33 pm

flyCMH wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
Haven't heard much news lately from CMH of late...anything possible out there (apart from the usual TATL scuttlebutt)?


Robert1010 wrote:
Aircraft emergency into CMH , look like a AA 763 PHL-LAX dropping in and quick ! CFD assisting as well !


Ask and you will receive, lol. Thankfully the aircraft in CMH without issue, other than being met by ARFF. Also, looks like the Dispatch caught wind of the unexpected arrival:

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190916/ ... us-airport


OK...so maybe I should have been a bit more specific. How about, is there any non-emergency, good news?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:18 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
Haven't heard much news lately from CMH of late...anything possible out there (apart from the usual TATL scuttlebutt)?


Nothing exciting I’m aware of (unless the AA TWA retro scheme 738 coming to town today counts), but I did notice that disassembly of the old jetbridge at C50 has begun. Today they hoisted down the big red “50” sign on top, presumably to replace it when the new jetbridge is installed. Maybe deltarules has thoughts about how these replacements will impact gate usage?

Pretty slow on the news front lately...


I flew into C50 Friday night on a DL 739. I think it's mostly used as an overflow gate for them, so they might be able to move up the way to 49 (which I guess they're sharing with AS?) and 48 (they had an LED screen which said "Thank you for flying Delta" there the other night) with out too much issue.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:58 pm

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Great photos! Thanks for sharing. Is the plane still AOG in CMH?


The Aircraft is still at CMH, parked at the de-ice pad. The ferried in a replacement this morning to continue the flight.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:58 pm

Looks like Frontier is quietly cutting all of its CVG-LGA flights effective 11/13.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:03 am

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Looks like Frontier is quietly cutting all of its CVG-LGA flights effective 11/13.


Is this possibly just a winter downgrade? Can't imagine they would get rid of all together.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:52 am

I'm pretty sure that CVG-LGA is seasonal now. But I am curious if is going to come back or if we'll possibly see CVG-EWR instead.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:52 am

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I'm pretty sure that CVG-LGA is seasonal now. But I am curious if is going to come back or if we'll possibly see CVG-EWR instead.


It was seasonal last year (as in it didn’t run last winter) as well. The slot was used for LGA-MCO, and it appears the same thing will happen this year, with LGA-CVG ending 11/13, and LGA-MCO resuming on 11/14.

They’ve done something similar in LGA with DEN/MIA for several years, running DEN-LGA during the summer and LGA-MIA during the winter.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:08 pm

It's looking like Jazz Aviation is taking over the Air Canada flights from Air Georgian at CVG at the end of October. The aircraft type stays a CRJ 100/200 though.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:39 pm

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It's looking like Jazz Aviation is taking over the Air Canada flights from Air Georgian at CVG at the end of October. The aircraft type stays a CRJ 100/200 though.


Could CVG see any of the Dashes? Would be cool to see something different. Does CMH see these? Seems like I remember seeing that somewhere at some point?

Also at some point does anyone think it possible YUL could be added? Growth has really exploded there. Especially with long range international destinations. I'm doubtful they would without sacrificing YYZ but I can dream.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:52 pm

Springs1816 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
It's looking like Jazz Aviation is taking over the Air Canada flights from Air Georgian at CVG at the end of October. The aircraft type stays a CRJ 100/200 though.


Could CVG see any of the Dashes? Would be cool to see something different. Does CMH see these? Seems like I remember seeing that somewhere at some point?

Also at some point does anyone think it possible YUL could be added? Growth has really exploded there. Especially with long range international destinations. I'm doubtful they would without sacrificing YYZ but I can dream.


CMH got Dashes until 2-3 years ago, at which point they bumped up to the CRJ. CVG had CRJs before CMH got them, so CMH had them more recently.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:04 am

ATL-CAK is a 738 tonight. That's got to be a first, right?
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:42 am

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ATL-CAK is a 738 tonight. That's got to be a first, right?

No, I noticed them last week. MD-88’s are gone,right? What did you think they would use? Still can’t believe there
Still at CAK.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:21 pm

Why would they not be at CAK, 1.2 million people in the CAK area. I would be surprised if they were not at CAK.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:25 pm

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DeltaRules wrote:
ATL-CAK is a 738 tonight. That's got to be a first, right?

No, I noticed them last week. MD-88’s are gone,right? What did you think they would use? Still can’t believe there
Still at CAK.


The DL MD-88s are still very much around. I believe there are 60+ in the fleet at the moment and another 30+ MD-90s. We see a daily mix of mad dogs/738/739 on CMH-ATL. Maybe you’re thinking of AA who retired their mad dogs this month?

In other news August numbers are out for CMH. 5% growth YOY, a little more evenly distributed this time with AA seeing the largest increase. Even WN seems to be back on track after a couple months of lower numbers. As usual, F9 is the outlier. At some point do they pull the plug entirely or do they keep trying random adds for a few months at a time?

Load factors are down as should be expected with the end of the peak travel season. Pretty ho hum report unless I missed something.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... r-2019.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:03 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Link4444 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
ATL-CAK is a 738 tonight. That's got to be a first, right?

No, I noticed them last week. MD-88’s are gone,right? What did you think they would use? Still can’t believe there
Still at CAK.


The DL MD-88s are still very much around. I believe there are 60+ in the fleet at the moment and another 30+ MD-90s. We see a daily mix of mad dogs/738/739 on CMH-ATL. Maybe you’re thinking of AA who retired their mad dogs this month?

In other news August numbers are out for CMH. 5% growth YOY, a little more evenly distributed this time with AA seeing the largest increase. Even WN seems to be back on track after a couple months of lower numbers. As usual, F9 is the outlier. At some point do they pull the plug entirely or do they keep trying random adds for a few months at a time?

Load factors are down as should be expected with the end of the peak travel season. Pretty ho hum report unless I missed something.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... r-2019.pdf


AS is STILL above 90% LF, which is impressive. Also, the Air Service committee discussed "New routes and strategy for the next focus cities", but didn't go into details.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:51 pm

Wow terrible numbers for EY cargo at LCK... Have they exited the market? Down more than 95% YoY after what had been a promising start...
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:56 pm

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Why would they not be at CAK, 1.2 million people in the CAK area. I would be surprised if they were not at CAK.

Checkout my post previous page, 13. 14th post down. Link 4444
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:26 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Link4444 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
ATL-CAK is a 738 tonight. That's got to be a first, right?

No, I noticed them last week. MD-88’s are gone,right? What did you think they would use? Still can’t believe there
Still at CAK.


The DL MD-88s are still very much around. I believe there are 60+ in the fleet at the moment and another 30+ MD-90s. We see a daily mix of mad dogs/738/739 on CMH-ATL. Maybe you’re thinking of AA who retired their mad dogs this month?

In other news August numbers are out for CMH. 5% growth YOY, a little more evenly distributed this time with AA seeing the largest increase. Even WN seems to be back on track after a couple months of lower numbers. As usual, F9 is the outlier. At some point do they pull the plug entirely or do they keep trying random adds for a few months at a time?

Load factors are down as should be expected with the end of the peak travel season. Pretty ho hum report unless I missed something.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... r-2019.pdf


Delta said they were accelerating there retirement to have them gone this year, I assumed that was happening.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:40 pm

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Delta said they were accelerating there retirement to have them gone this year, I assumed that was happening.


They’re going, but far from gone.

What has the mainline vs. regional mix been like historically on UA CMH-ORD? Looks like 2x mainline per day for the foreseeable future with a hodgepodge of regional flying rounding out the schedule.

While we’re talking mainline, any other upguages in the works? We’ll have 1x UA mainline to IAD soon, and didn’t someone mention DL scheduling a 321 on one of the ATL flights at some point? It’s been a couple months since Nardone reported that airlines we’re looking to grow at CMH, mostly by “adding larger aircraft on existing routes.”
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:31 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Link4444 wrote:
Delta said they were accelerating there retirement to have them gone this year, I assumed that was happening.


They’re going, but far from gone.

What has the mainline vs. regional mix been like historically on UA CMH-ORD? Looks like 2x mainline per day for the foreseeable future with a hodgepodge of regional flying rounding out the schedule.

While we’re talking mainline, any other upguages in the works? We’ll have 1x UA mainline to IAD soon, and didn’t someone mention DL scheduling a 321 on one of the ATL flights at some point? It’s been a couple months since Nardone reported that airlines we’re looking to grow at CMH, mostly by “adding larger aircraft on existing routes.”


How far back do you want to go on UA? In the last few years, there's been a consistent 1-3x daily mainline ranging anywhere from 73G to 757 (though the 757s were early 2010s), with big RJs the rest of the time. It was all mainline until at least 1999 per DepartedFlights.

As for DL, an upgauge to ATL would be an A321 or the return of the 757, the latter of which seems to bingo ball around to random midsized cities as time goes on (MCI, BNA, STL, MKE, CMH, PIT, IND, RIC, etc.). Upgauges could happen to their other hubs as well, but I've been impressed with CMH-MSP sometimes having two 738s a day.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:48 am

DeltaRules wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Link4444 wrote:
Delta said they were accelerating there retirement to have them gone this year, I assumed that was happening.


They’re going, but far from gone.

What has the mainline vs. regional mix been like historically on UA CMH-ORD? Looks like 2x mainline per day for the foreseeable future with a hodgepodge of regional flying rounding out the schedule.

While we’re talking mainline, any other upguages in the works? We’ll have 1x UA mainline to IAD soon, and didn’t someone mention DL scheduling a 321 on one of the ATL flights at some point? It’s been a couple months since Nardone reported that airlines we’re looking to grow at CMH, mostly by “adding larger aircraft on existing routes.”


How far back do you want to go on UA? In the last few years, there's been a consistent 1-3x daily mainline ranging anywhere from 73G to 757 (though the 757s were early 2010s), with big RJs the rest of the time. It was all mainline until at least 1999 per DepartedFlights.

As for DL, an upgauge to ATL would be an A321 or the return of the 757, the latter of which seems to bingo ball around to random midsized cities as time goes on (MCI, BNA, STL, MKE, CMH, PIT, IND, RIC, etc.). Upgauges could happen to their other hubs as well, but I've been impressed with CMH-MSP sometimes having two 738s a day.


I was just looking at some of these flights earlier today out of curiosity. It seems as though the previously mentioned CMH-IAD mainline upgauge is only temporary, as looking into the November schedule, I see a return to all RJs (though some of the Mesa CRJs have been swapped for 175's). I'll still consider that a slight improvement as I've really come to dislike the CR7s. And YX will start to pick up some one-off CMH-IAD flying as well (looking forward to that as I fly for them :D

I've noticed the DL 757s typically start making appearances around this time of year to supply feed around OSU games and the Thanksgiving travel period. Hopefully they return. Though the A321 would be a welcome sight as well. Really anything that shows growth/added capacity.

The ORD flights on UA are kind of a crap shoot, I'v realized. On any given day, you can have mainline and maybe up to 4 different regionals. It's really not great for continuity of product. At least with AA, it's all Envoy and either CR7/175s
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:33 pm

CAK airport source saying UA will be starting IAD-CAK on May 8. Maybe EWR going away?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:52 pm

UALifer wrote:
CAK airport source saying UA will be starting IAD-CAK on May 8. Maybe EWR going away?


That would be somewhat in line with DAY, which lost EWR but gained an IAD segment.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:19 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
UALifer wrote:
CAK airport source saying UA will be starting IAD-CAK on May 8. Maybe EWR going away?


That would be somewhat in line with DAY, which lost EWR but gained an IAD segment.


https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... route.html

"At the same time, United will drop its twice-daily flights between Akron-Canton and Newark International Airport."

"The swap will result in a net gain of 100 new seats per day on United flights"
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:02 am

Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
UALifer wrote:
CAK airport source saying UA will be starting IAD-CAK on May 8. Maybe EWR going away?


That would be somewhat in line with DAY, which lost EWR but gained an IAD segment.


https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... route.html

"At the same time, United will drop its twice-daily flights between Akron-Canton and Newark International Airport."

"The swap will result in a net gain of 100 new seats per day on United flights"

Good for CAK...A net gain and still AA to LGA
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:16 am

joeman wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

That would be somewhat in line with DAY, which lost EWR but gained an IAD segment.


https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... route.html

"At the same time, United will drop its twice-daily flights between Akron-Canton and Newark International Airport."

"The swap will result in a net gain of 100 new seats per day on United flights"

Good for CAK...A net gain and still AA to LGA


A net gain of that many seats implies at least one CR7/E75 on the new route, too.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:26 am

No—- 100 more seats Is a 50 seater each way. I thought the same about larger aircraft at first.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:19 pm

The long awaited CMH-DTW mainline seems to be popping up in January. Appears to be a 717.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:37 pm

flymco753 wrote:
The long awaited CMH-DTW mainline seems to be popping up in January. Appears to be a 717.


Good find! It appears that beginning in January the final daily inbound DTW-CMH leg will be operated by a 717, which will presumably RON at CMH before operating the next morning’s first outbound CMH-DTW leg. Hopefully it sticks and is the beginning of a further spring upguages (looking at you, UA to IAH).
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:38 am

joeman wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

That would be somewhat in line with DAY, which lost EWR but gained an IAD segment.


https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... route.html

"At the same time, United will drop its twice-daily flights between Akron-Canton and Newark International Airport."

"The swap will result in a net gain of 100 new seats per day on United flights"

Good for CAK...A net gain and still AA to LGA


Wow, some one is actually talking about CAK! LOL. I guessed UA would drop CAK-EWR after they did DAY.
Didn’t think they would do something else. CAK-IAD is a re run route, they did it years ago. Still looking for guesses
On why Delta supposely have 3 of the new gates at the end of 2020? They only have 3 flights a day!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:07 pm

Welp, there goes our second daily CMH-LAX flight on AA. Can’t say I’m surprised, 3x daily was always a stretch. Per Enilria’s OAG thread:

AA CMH-LAX JAN 2>1.2[1.7] FEB 2>1.0[1.7] MAR 2>1.0[1.7] APR 2>1.0[1.7]
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:18 pm

Link4444 wrote:
joeman wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... route.html

"At the same time, United will drop its twice-daily flights between Akron-Canton and Newark International Airport."

"The swap will result in a net gain of 100 new seats per day on United flights"

Good for CAK...A net gain and still AA to LGA


Wow, some one is actually talking about CAK! LOL. I guessed UA would drop CAK-EWR after they did DAY.
Didn’t think they would do something else. CAK-IAD is a re run route, they did it years ago. Still looking for guesses
On why Delta supposely have 3 of the new gates at the end of 2020? They only have 3 flights a day!


If you see something about CAK, feel free to post it. I usually focus in on DAY and CMH/LCK as they're the ones local to me.

I've got nothing on DL having three gates for three daily flights, though. Maybe there's some possibility they add MSP or (re-add) DTW?
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:36 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Welp, there goes our second daily CMH-LAX flight on AA. Can’t say I’m surprised, 3x daily was always a stretch. Per Enilria’s OAG thread:

AA CMH-LAX JAN 2>1.2[1.7] FEB 2>1.0[1.7] MAR 2>1.0[1.7] APR 2>1.0[1.7]


Can someone explain what these numbers mean and where their source? I see them all the time but have no idea how to interpret them.

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