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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:43 pm

flyCMH wrote:
3. PDX - this route is like SAN, on the borderline of possibility. It would be great to see AS pursue this route on a seasonal basis, but it would have to stand on its own an not cannibalize much from SEA. WN and F9 would be long, long shots.


AS already serves PDX nonstop from ORD, MCI, MSP, and OMA in the Midwest on at least a seasonal basis, and AS adding CMH-PDX nonstop service is a possibility if there is enough demand for nonstop service to both SEA and PDX out of CMH.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:50 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
I'm curious as to what DL's going to do with their AUS "focus city". If it involves adding routes and some sort of connecting network, I could see them adding CMH-AUS on an RJ to open up a Southern route (if you will) out West, though I'd be concerned about it cannibalizing SLC. (DL briefly ran CMH-DFW on ERJs just before they pulled the DFW hub.)


That's a good point. If Delta goes full-blown focus city at AUS (similar to RDU), I could see AUS-CMH being a contender for service (along with IND and CLE).
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:39 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Just booked myself on SLC-CMH on the tail end of a trip out west in October and, of the four segments, that was the flight with the fewest seats left.


Anecdotally (and from the AS data), it seems the three S’s (SEA/SFO/SLC) launched this spring are doing well. With these holes filled, it seems that Nardone and company are largely focused on the big TATL prize, but your post got me thinking about other potential domestic adds for CMH/LCK. Here are unserved/underserved cities amongst the top 50 U.S. cities in order of population (MSA) and potential operators:

1. SAN (AS/WN/NK)
2. SAT (F9 again/WN)
3. PDX (AS)
4. SMF (AS/WN)
5. PIT (too close)
6. CVG (too close)
7. AUS (DL/F9 again/G4/WN)
8. MCI (WN)
9. CLE (too close)
10. IND (too close)
11. SJC (AS/WN)
12. ORF (F9/G4)
13. PVD (AA)
14. MKE (WN)
15. JAC (F9/G4)
16. OKC (WN)
17. MEM (DL)
18. SDF (too close)
19. MSY (NK/WN)
20. BDL (AA)
21. BHM (WN)
22. BUF (WN)

I think the top 10 (excluding the nearby cities) are all current possibilities, along with MSY which I included because I think we can do better than seasonal weekends. With AS’ success I’m particularly interested in whether they consider some of the other west coast adds. What do you all think?


If someone is going to fly CMH-BDL it won't be AA. I could see DL flying the route 4-5x weekly for the business ties, similar to what DL does with BDL-CLE and BDL-CVG. Also, Frontier could possibly add BDL-CMH as FlyCMH pointed out. CMH-PVD I don't think has a shot. At least CMH-BDL was tried in the past with America West and I believe DL did fly CMH-BDL for a short time with CRJ's.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:56 pm

uconn99 wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Just booked myself on SLC-CMH on the tail end of a trip out west in October and, of the four segments, that was the flight with the fewest seats left.


Anecdotally (and from the AS data), it seems the three S’s (SEA/SFO/SLC) launched this spring are doing well. With these holes filled, it seems that Nardone and company are largely focused on the big TATL prize, but your post got me thinking about other potential domestic adds for CMH/LCK. Here are unserved/underserved cities amongst the top 50 U.S. cities in order of population (MSA) and potential operators:

1. SAN (AS/WN/NK)
2. SAT (F9 again/WN)
3. PDX (AS)
4. SMF (AS/WN)
5. PIT (too close)
6. CVG (too close)
7. AUS (DL/F9 again/G4/WN)
8. MCI (WN)
9. CLE (too close)
10. IND (too close)
11. SJC (AS/WN)
12. ORF (F9/G4)
13. PVD (AA)
14. MKE (WN)
15. JAC (F9/G4)
16. OKC (WN)
17. MEM (DL)
18. SDF (too close)
19. MSY (NK/WN)
20. BDL (AA)
21. BHM (WN)
22. BUF (WN)

I think the top 10 (excluding the nearby cities) are all current possibilities, along with MSY which I included because I think we can do better than seasonal weekends. With AS’ success I’m particularly interested in whether they consider some of the other west coast adds. What do you all think?


If someone is going to fly CMH-BDL it won't be AA. I could see DL flying the route 4-5x weekly for the business ties, similar to what DL does with BDL-CLE and BDL-CVG. Also, Frontier could possibly add BDL-CMH as FlyCMH pointed out. CMH-PVD I don't think has a shot. At least CMH-BDL was tried in the past with America West and I believe DL did fly CMH-BDL for a short time with CRJ's.


HP ran CMH-BDL in the later days of the CMH hub on YX CRJs and RP ERJs, the latter of which made up the Eastern HP Express flying at the time the hub closed. When DL picked up the RP flying (and created the CMH focus city), they kept BDL and a pile of other cities, adding and dropping as they saw fit and IIRC, ran BDL 3x day.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:57 pm

WN is finally throwing in the towel for good on CMH-OAK. Too bad, the times I’ve been on this flight it’s always been full, but that was before UA started their bay-area route. I wonder if this presents an opportunity for UA upguages/more frequencies on CMH-SFO (considering the flight was already upguaged from a319 to a320).

Looks like CVG is picking up seasonal Saturday-only FLL and TPA.

https://www.southwestaircommunity.com/h ... ummary.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:54 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
WN is finally throwing in the towel for good on CMH-OAK. Too bad, the times I’ve been on this flight it’s always been full, but that was before UA started their bay-area route. I wonder if this presents an opportunity for UA upguages/more frequencies on CMH-SFO (considering the flight was already upguaged from a319 to a320).

Looks like CVG is picking up seasonal Saturday-only FLL and TPA.

https://www.southwestaircommunity.com/h ... ummary.pdf


It was nice while it lasted, especially have 2 nonstop options to the Bay Area. There's an off chance that WN could reconsider for the 2020 summer season as they did this year, though it's unlikely. Hopefully this gives UA a bit of a boost as the only player in the market nonstop from CMH. Though I'm not sure if the route is mature enough for an upgauge or additional frequency. Would love to be proven wrong.

Also, it looks like we'll have to wait a bit longer for the MAX cuts. Usually CMH has been spared save for I believe an LAS n/s cut; hopefully the same can be said this time around.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:05 am

July numbers are out for CVG:
+2.5% in July with 892,244 pax
+2.88% YTD with 5,316,415

http://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default- ... u-july.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:48 pm

From Enilria’s weekly OAG thread:
*UA DAY-EWR JAN 1.0>0.2[1.1] FEB 1.0>0[1.0]


Poor Dayton, the hits just keep coming. They’ll still have NYC access via AA to LGA but as we’ve discussed before the proximity to CVG (and to a lesser extent CMH and IND) seems to be just killing them.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:35 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
From Enilria’s weekly OAG thread:
*UA DAY-EWR JAN 1.0>0.2[1.1] FEB 1.0>0[1.0]


Poor Dayton, the hits just keep coming. They’ll still have NYC access via AA to LGA but as we’ve discussed before the proximity to CVG (and to a lesser extent CMH and IND) seems to be just killing them.


Not good, but at least they'll still (probably) have LGA-DAY as long as there's a reason to funnel airplanes to/from MX.

Wasn't there some talk of UA focusing IAD on connections and EWR on O&D? Maybe this is the start of that? (DAY-IAD gets E75s every now and then, FWIW.)
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:14 am

DeltaRules wrote:
Wasn't there some talk of UA focusing IAD on connections and EWR on O&D? Maybe this is the start of that? (DAY-IAD gets E75s every now and then, FWIW.)


There was, which is presumably the reason CMH-IAD gets its first-ever mainline frequency in the spring (1x 319). Perhaps DAY will start to see consistent E75s as well?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:37 am

I won’t be surprised if UA drops EWR flight out of CAK. The afternoon flight was frequently delayed.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:34 pm

Looks like WN is dropping CMH-OAK and 19 other poor performing routes !
Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Southwest Airlines cuts nonstop routes from Los Angeles, Boston, Orlando, Dallas

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/a ... 049341001/
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:34 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
Looks like WN is dropping CMH-OAK and 19 other poor performing routes !
Check out this article from USA TODAY...


Yes, discussed upthread a bit. WN actually announced it would be cut last year, and then abruptly reversed course following UA’s announcement of CMH-SFO. Parting shot at UA? Thought maybe UA saw something they missed? Who knows.

It’s sad to lose the route but speaking as a WN regular... if we are going to support one Bay Area flight, I’ll take year-round daily connection to an international hub over a seasonal link to a secondary airport with limited connectivity every time. I hope UA gets a boost from the cut.

Speaking of CMH-SFO, dummy bookings for the spring (March) show that the time of the SFO-CMH return leg is changing from a red-eye to an afternoon time slot departing at 13:14 and arriving 20:52. Any insight?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:15 pm

Link4444 wrote:
I won’t be surprised if UA drops EWR flight out of CAK. The afternoon flight was frequently delayed.



Also, CAK will have a total of 4 brand new gates upstairs to combine with 3 others gates already there. Rumor has it that AA will get 2 gates for there
11 daily flights and Delta will get 3 gates with there 3 daily flights.
Seems to be bad math! Any speculations out there? Is Delta really going to aggressively add flights or our they just playing “defense” against
Moxy Air? Why is Delta even still at CAK? Moxy Air would definitely have a chance to be another AirTran out of CAK with 15 flights a day.
Also I seen Delta “released” GoJet and Compass and DGS in RDU and Austin. Any ideas when they’ll eliminate DGS/Argenbright completely?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:16 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Wasn't there some talk of UA focusing IAD on connections and EWR on O&D? Maybe this is the start of that? (DAY-IAD gets E75s every now and then, FWIW.)


There was, which is presumably the reason CMH-IAD gets its first-ever mainline frequency in the spring (1x 319). Perhaps DAY will start to see consistent E75s as well?


Just an update on my previous thought: DAY-IAD gets E75s right now- today's afternoon flight was on one.

Today's UA DAY schedule:
IAD- 1 E75, 1 CRJ
ORD- 1 E70, 4 CRJ, 1 ERJ
DEN- 1 E75, 1 CR7
IAH- 1 E75
EWR- 1 ERJ (1x daily this week. Must not be much of a loss if they're cutting it.)

UA has some DL-like fluctuations in the equipment- ORD doesn't get an E70 tomorrow but has the last two days, while DEN is double E75. On top of that, IAH has an extra segment tomorrow on an ERJ. I'm curious as to if they'd see more big RJ action if not for the ZW maintenance base on the airport.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:49 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
Speaking of CMH-SFO, dummy bookings for the spring (March) show that the time of the SFO-CMH return leg is changing from a red-eye to an afternoon time slot departing at 13:14 and arriving 20:52. Any insight?


I'd much rather have the red-eye option. I'm not sure who that timeslot really serves. My bay area project is wrapping up next month so it won't really impact me, but it was nice not having to wake up in EWR or ORD only to have to wait for another flight.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:55 pm

atbPy wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Speaking of CMH-SFO, dummy bookings for the spring (March) show that the time of the SFO-CMH return leg is changing from a red-eye to an afternoon time slot departing at 13:14 and arriving 20:52. Any insight?


I'd much rather have the red-eye option. I'm not sure who that timeslot really serves. My bay area project is wrapping up next month so it won't really impact me, but it was nice not having to wake up in EWR or ORD only to have to wait for another flight.


Agreed. The red-eye option was really nice. I guess their market research indicates the route is better served as an afternoon departure from SFO and RON-ing in CMH. Maybe it's for fleet scheduling purposes, as the red-eye is frequently late leaving SFO. Then again, March schedules certainly are not finalized, so a lot can change between now and then.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:06 pm

Surprised this hasn't been talked about on here. Mayor is pushing for the airport in Toledo to be renamed for Gene Kranz. I'm all for it as long as we drop "Express" from the name.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/trans ... 0190821159

A month after Mayor Wade Kapszukiewicz told The Blade of his desire to rename Toledo Express Airport after NASA icon Gene Kranz, it appears the idea is off the ground.

The mayor appeared Wednesday on the Scott Sands Show on WSPD 1370 for his monthly segment and said he’s confident the name will be changed.

“I know we can rename the airport and the law department is researching if it can be done without mayoral edict,” Mayor Kapszukiewicz said on the program. “One way or another, the ball is in the city's court and I can now truly say I believe this will happen.”

The port authority board is next scheduled to meet Sept. 26. John Szuch, chairman of the port authority’s board of directors, said he did not know if the matter would come before the board of directors then.

“I think Wade wants to come and talk to the board,” Mr. Szuch said. “I don’t see the board getting worked up about this one way or the other.”

Mr. Kranz, 85, was born in Toledo and graduated from Central Catholic High School. He was flight director for Apollo 11 and directed the successful rescue mission of the Apollo 13 crew.

The mayor said he has spoken with members of the Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority, who told him they would not stand in the way. The city owns the airport, however it is operated by the port authority.

Mr. Szuch confirmed discussions had occurred with the mayor and said he believes the port authority, which leases the facility from the city for $1 a year, would not object.

“It’s a mayoral or city council decision. They own the airport,” Mr. Szuch said.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:12 pm

flyinryan99 wrote:
Surprised this hasn't been talked about on here. Mayor is pushing for the airport in Toledo to be renamed for Gene Kranz. I'm all for it as long as we drop "Express" from the name.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/trans ... 0190821159

A month after Mayor Wade Kapszukiewicz told The Blade of his desire to rename Toledo Express Airport after NASA icon Gene Kranz, it appears the idea is off the ground.

The mayor appeared Wednesday on the Scott Sands Show on WSPD 1370 for his monthly segment and said he’s confident the name will be changed.

“I know we can rename the airport and the law department is researching if it can be done without mayoral edict,” Mayor Kapszukiewicz said on the program. “One way or another, the ball is in the city's court and I can now truly say I believe this will happen.”

The port authority board is next scheduled to meet Sept. 26. John Szuch, chairman of the port authority’s board of directors, said he did not know if the matter would come before the board of directors then.

“I think Wade wants to come and talk to the board,” Mr. Szuch said. “I don’t see the board getting worked up about this one way or the other.”

Mr. Kranz, 85, was born in Toledo and graduated from Central Catholic High School. He was flight director for Apollo 11 and directed the successful rescue mission of the Apollo 13 crew.

The mayor said he has spoken with members of the Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority, who told him they would not stand in the way. The city owns the airport, however it is operated by the port authority.

Mr. Szuch confirmed discussions had occurred with the mayor and said he believes the port authority, which leases the facility from the city for $1 a year, would not object.

“It’s a mayoral or city council decision. They own the airport,” Mr. Szuch said.


As someone who has the same high school alma mater, I am very happy with this. An excellent person for this honor. I was privileged to get to listen to him speak at an assembly back when I was in high school. Pretty classy individual.

I'm expect the name to be something like "Toledo Gene Kranz Airport".
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:27 pm

We've occasionally referred to CRAA-operated gates at CMH and wondered which they were (based upon data about airlines using unleased gates) and now we know: B25 (AA), B28 (AA), B34 (UA), B36 (UA/AA/NK), B36A, C46, C48 (DL), C50 (DL)

The second page of this PDF has a chart which I'm presuming is the typical usage for each of those gates: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... elines.pdf

...and, depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go, here's CMH's competition plan, with more diagrams of the airport and space usage. (Can you tell it's slow at work?) https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... signed.pdf
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:53 pm

flyCMH wrote:
atbPy wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Speaking of CMH-SFO, dummy bookings for the spring (March) show that the time of the SFO-CMH return leg is changing from a red-eye to an afternoon time slot departing at 13:14 and arriving 20:52. Any insight?


I'd much rather have the red-eye option. I'm not sure who that timeslot really serves. My bay area project is wrapping up next month so it won't really impact me, but it was nice not having to wake up in EWR or ORD only to have to wait for another flight.


Agreed. The red-eye option was really nice. I guess their market research indicates the route is better served as an afternoon departure from SFO and RON-ing in CMH. Maybe it's for fleet scheduling purposes, as the red-eye is frequently late leaving SFO. Then again, March schedules certainly are not finalized, so a lot can change between now and then.

I hate red eyes, so I would much rather have the daytime flight.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:32 pm

The July numbers and August CRAA Board Agenda are out for CMH and LCK. At CMH 5% YOY pax growth overall (6.4% YTD). Individual carriers are the same story as the last few months (UA impressive growth, AS impressive load factor). At LCK another nice month for G4 up 21%(!) YOY and another slow month for cargo (-8.7%).

The most interesting part of this months agenda is probably Nardone’s report which includes the addition of scheduled Asiana freighter service to LCK, upcoming Brewdog charter fight to London, and a thoughtfully planned water cannon salute for the final AA CMH-DFW mad dog flight on Sept. 3rd.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2019.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:21 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
The July numbers and August CRAA Board Agenda are out for CMH and LCK. At CMH 5% YOY pax growth overall (6.4% YTD). Individual carriers are the same story as the last few months (UA impressive growth, AS impressive load factor). At LCK another nice month for G4 up 21%(!) YOY and another slow month for cargo (-8.7%).

The most interesting part of this months agenda is probably Nardone’s report which includes the addition of scheduled Asiana freighter service to LCK, upcoming Brewdog charter fight to London, and a thoughtfully planned water cannon salute for the final AA CMH-DFW mad dog flight on Sept. 3rd.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2019.pdf


AA also had a nice boost this month with an 11% gain.

Anybody know the routing and equipment for the OZ cargo flights?
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:55 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
The July numbers and August CRAA Board Agenda are out for CMH and LCK. At CMH 5% YOY pax growth overall (6.4% YTD). Individual carriers are the same story as the last few months (UA impressive growth, AS impressive load factor). At LCK another nice month for G4 up 21%(!) YOY and another slow month for cargo (-8.7%).

The most interesting part of this months agenda is probably Nardone’s report which includes the addition of scheduled Asiana freighter service to LCK, upcoming Brewdog charter fight to London, and a thoughtfully planned water cannon salute for the final AA CMH-DFW mad dog flight on Sept. 3rd.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2019.pdf


AA also had a nice boost this month with an 11% gain.

Anybody know the routing and equipment for the OZ cargo flights?


Ver pleased with the performance by AA, AS, and UA. Hopefully that translates to continued growth next year.

Really cool that they're planning a send-off for the last AA Mad Dog flight. It's going to be weird not seeing them around anymore. Also glad to hear the Brewdog charters continue to be a success. It's definitely a cool novelty in the local travel market.

Looks like the first OZ cargo flight to LCK is today. Equipment looks to be a 744. Routing originates in Wuhan, China: WUH-ANC-LCK.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR ... /PANC/KLCK
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:13 am

tys777 wrote:
flyinryan99 wrote:
Surprised this hasn't been talked about on here. Mayor is pushing for the airport in Toledo to be renamed for Gene Kranz. I'm all for it as long as we drop "Express" from the name.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/trans ... 0190821159

A month after Mayor Wade Kapszukiewicz told The Blade of his desire to rename Toledo Express Airport after NASA icon Gene Kranz, it appears the idea is off the ground.

The mayor appeared Wednesday on the Scott Sands Show on WSPD 1370 for his monthly segment and said he’s confident the name will be changed.

“I know we can rename the airport and the law department is researching if it can be done without mayoral edict,” Mayor Kapszukiewicz said on the program. “One way or another, the ball is in the city's court and I can now truly say I believe this will happen.”

The port authority board is next scheduled to meet Sept. 26. John Szuch, chairman of the port authority’s board of directors, said he did not know if the matter would come before the board of directors then.

“I think Wade wants to come and talk to the board,” Mr. Szuch said. “I don’t see the board getting worked up about this one way or the other.”

Mr. Kranz, 85, was born in Toledo and graduated from Central Catholic High School. He was flight director for Apollo 11 and directed the successful rescue mission of the Apollo 13 crew.

The mayor said he has spoken with members of the Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority, who told him they would not stand in the way. The city owns the airport, however it is operated by the port authority.

Mr. Szuch confirmed discussions had occurred with the mayor and said he believes the port authority, which leases the facility from the city for $1 a year, would not object.

“It’s a mayoral or city council decision. They own the airport,” Mr. Szuch said.


As someone who has the same high school alma mater, I am very happy with this. An excellent person for this honor. I was privileged to get to listen to him speak at an assembly back when I was in high school. Pretty classy individual.

I'm expect the name to be something like "Toledo Gene Kranz Airport".


I am glad to talk about this! Toledo, your airport deserves a better name, and your native son Gene Kranz deserves this honor. Mr. Kranz motivated everyone in the free world when he gathered his staff at Mission Control in Houston at the beginning of the Apollo 13 rescue and told them, "Failure is not an option."
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:01 pm

Crossposting from another thread, but here's a massive collection of APC terminal maps from 1985, including most of Ohio's airports.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B045M7GFPL5E91
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:20 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
The July numbers and August CRAA Board Agenda are out for CMH and LCK. At CMH 5% YOY pax growth overall (6.4% YTD). Individual carriers are the same story as the last few months (UA impressive growth, AS impressive load factor). At LCK another nice month for G4 up 21%(!) YOY and another slow month for cargo (-8.7%).

The most interesting part of this months agenda is probably Nardone’s report which includes the addition of scheduled Asiana freighter service to LCK, upcoming Brewdog charter fight to London, and a thoughtfully planned water cannon salute for the final AA CMH-DFW mad dog flight on Sept. 3rd.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2019.pdf


Really continue to be impressed with UA's growth in CMH. It's been nice to see up to 3 flights a day to ORD on mainline. And one coming to IAD this fall. I'd like to know where the keep finding all these pax! But maybe it goes back to they're simply taking back market share they ceded post-merger. I'd like to see more/all 70-seaters to EWR. Maybe their continued natural growth will lead to that eventually.

As it's been discussed ad nauseam here, it'd still be nice to see the few remaining gaps filled in from CMH. At least seasonal to SAN, more frequent service to MSY etc. I believe WN is the best candidate for those routes, but their recent pullback across their network to instead fuel Hawaii flying leads me to believe these routes are a ways off. At least until the MAX is flying again.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:50 pm

flycmh2009 wrote:
I believe WN is the best candidate for those routes, but their recent pullback across their network to instead fuel Hawaii flying leads me to believe these routes are a ways off. At least until the MAX is flying again.


I was just about to agree with you on WN being reluctant to make adds when Enilria’s OAG thread came through. Amidst a sea of MAX cuts, some very surprising WN frequency adds for CMH in November. 3x daily RSW!

WN CMH-DAL NOV 1.4>1.8[1.2]
WN CMH-DEN NOV 1.4>1.8[1.4]
WN CMH-FLL NOV 1.5>1.9[1.4]
WN CMH-RSW NOV 1.7>3[2]

It strikes me that these are all routes where WN is competing with the growing presence of the legacies or NK. Perhaps this is an attempt to defend market share against growing competition?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:31 pm

It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:36 pm

boscmh wrote:
It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of


This would make me so happy. I fly CMH-LGA a lot on DL and I would love for their prices to come down. The only downside is that if WN or another LCC takes away traffic from the legacies, the legacies are even less likely to upgauge to mainline in the future, like DL with an A220.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:49 pm

Pudelhund wrote:
boscmh wrote:
It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of


This would make me so happy. I fly CMH-LGA a lot on DL and I would love for their prices to come down. The only downside is that if WN or another LCC takes away traffic from the legacies, the legacies are even less likely to upgauge to mainline in the future, like DL with an A220.


1. Prices aren't that high on CMH-NYC
2. AA runs 1x E190 on CMH-LGA, CMH-EWR has 2x mainline, so there is some mainline
3. There needs to be mostly E175s on CMH-NYC, considering CMH is a decent YX base and they need E175s to cycle through NYC to serve other routes
4. LFs aren't high on CMH-NYC, the last month of publicly available data(May) for CMH-LGA showed a total LF of 67%
5. Hardly any LCCs/ULCCs are expanding in NYC
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:54 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
boscmh wrote:
It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of


This would make me so happy. I fly CMH-LGA a lot on DL and I would love for their prices to come down. The only downside is that if WN or another LCC takes away traffic from the legacies, the legacies are even less likely to upgauge to mainline in the future, like DL with an A220.


CMH-EWR has 2x mainline, so there is some mainline


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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:06 pm

Pudelhund wrote:
boscmh wrote:
It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of


This would make me so happy. I fly CMH-LGA a lot on DL and I would love for their prices to come down. The only downside is that if WN or another LCC takes away traffic from the legacies, the legacies are even less likely to upgauge to mainline in the future, like DL with an A220.


CMH also currently lacks nonstop service to LAX on LCC's or ULCC's, whereas nearby markets such as CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT all have nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC or ULCC.

Here are the LCC/ULCC's currently serving LAX nonstop from CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT:
CVG - F9 (seasonal), G4
CLE - NK
DTW - NK
IND - WN (seasonal)
PIT - NK, WN (WN discontinuing PIT-LAX in January 2020)

If CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT can all support nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC/ULCC, CMH can probably support nonstop service to LAX on WN or NK.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:43 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
flycmh2009 wrote:
I believe WN is the best candidate for those routes, but their recent pullback across their network to instead fuel Hawaii flying leads me to believe these routes are a ways off. At least until the MAX is flying again.


I was just about to agree with you on WN being reluctant to make adds when Enilria’s OAG thread came through. Amidst a sea of MAX cuts, some very surprising WN frequency adds for CMH in November. 3x daily RSW!

WN CMH-DAL NOV 1.4>1.8[1.2]
WN CMH-DEN NOV 1.4>1.8[1.4]
WN CMH-FLL NOV 1.5>1.9[1.4]
WN CMH-RSW NOV 1.7>3[2]

It strikes me that these are all routes where WN is competing with the growing presence of the legacies or NK. Perhaps this is an attempt to defend market share against growing competition?


Searching a handful of random dates, it seems those frequency increases are tied to Thanksgiving weekend travel. Earlier in November still show once daily flights on those routes. At least on the days I looked
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:47 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
boscmh wrote:
It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of


This would make me so happy. I fly CMH-LGA a lot on DL and I would love for their prices to come down. The only downside is that if WN or another LCC takes away traffic from the legacies, the legacies are even less likely to upgauge to mainline in the future, like DL with an A220.


1. Prices aren't that high on CMH-NYC
2. AA runs 1x E190 on CMH-LGA, CMH-EWR has 2x mainline, so there is some mainline
3. There needs to be mostly E175s on CMH-NYC, considering CMH is a decent YX base and they need E175s to cycle through NYC to serve other routes
4. LFs aren't high on CMH-NYC, the last month of publicly available data(May) for CMH-LGA showed a total LF of 67%
5. Hardly any LCCs/ULCCs are expanding in NYC


Agreed on the CMH-EWR. Why they're still offering 50 seaters on, what I imagine is a heavy O&D route and can charge the associated premium, is beyond me. And FWIW, EWR is also a decent sized YX base. Would make more sense to me if every flight were YX planes cycled through accordingly. That's what they do on the AA side between CMH-PHL.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:03 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
flycmh2009 wrote:
I believe WN is the best candidate for those routes, but their recent pullback across their network to instead fuel Hawaii flying leads me to believe these routes are a ways off. At least until the MAX is flying again.


I was just about to agree with you on WN being reluctant to make adds when Enilria’s OAG thread came through. Amidst a sea of MAX cuts, some very surprising WN frequency adds for CMH in November. 3x daily RSW!

WN CMH-DAL NOV 1.4>1.8[1.2]
WN CMH-DEN NOV 1.4>1.8[1.4]
WN CMH-FLL NOV 1.5>1.9[1.4]
WN CMH-RSW NOV 1.7>3[2]

It strikes me that these are all routes where WN is competing with the growing presence of the legacies or NK. Perhaps this is an attempt to defend market share against growing competition?


The aforementioned additions (even if they are seasonal adds) are certainly welcome, especially the additional frequencies to RSW. It looks like WN is doubling down on their core/growth markets - not sure if its much of a reflection on the competitive environment at CMH.

Midwestindy wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
boscmh wrote:
It continues to seem less and less likely but I would still like to see WN take a shot at CMH-LGA

We need LCC or ULCC competition from someone on Columbus-NYC

Fares are insane on the legacies, and there's no mainline to speak of


This would make me so happy. I fly CMH-LGA a lot on DL and I would love for their prices to come down. The only downside is that if WN or another LCC takes away traffic from the legacies, the legacies are even less likely to upgauge to mainline in the future, like DL with an A220.


1. Prices aren't that high on CMH-NYC
2. AA runs 1x E190 on CMH-LGA, CMH-EWR has 2x mainline, so there is some mainline
3. There needs to be mostly E175s on CMH-NYC, considering CMH is a decent YX base and they need E175s to cycle through NYC to serve other routes
4. LFs aren't high on CMH-NYC, the last month of publicly available data(May) for CMH-LGA showed a total LF of 67%
5. Hardly any LCCs/ULCCs are expanding in NYC


Agreed with the sentiment that some low cost competition to NYC would certainly be welcomed - particularly in the form of WN entering the market from CMH. On the 5 points mentioned above, I don't have the latest data, but subjectively prices recently from NYC to CMH seem to have gone up. Fares are the highest I've seen them since basic economy prices were introduced on a more system-wide basis by the majors. Also, as mentioned, there is no mainline on CMH-EWR. It's been scheduled as all-ER4/E70/E75 for quite some time with an occasional one-time upgauge here and there. As nice as it would be to have some mainline frequencies to EWR, United has made it clear that O&D is the name of the game in the market, which dictates high frequency service and is best served with large RJs.

Some other CMH/LCK notes: it looks like AS will be downgauging CMH-SEA to an A319 for the remainder of the year. Advance booking must have taken a nosedive after the summer peak. At LCK, Qatar flew in a 77L from Leige (LGG) yesterday:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR ... /EBLG/KLCK

This route was flown by AirBridgeCargo, which is now 3x weekly direct from SVO. I wonder if QR might soon be the 3rd ME3 and 8th cargo-dedicated carrier in LCK. I had my doubts that it would ever happen, as they are firmly entrenched in PIT. But if a local freight forwarder has contracted work to them (Etihad Cargo has seen a massive reduction in service), then there's no reason they can't make LCK work as well.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:11 pm

Midwest Express announced today that it is going to be adding CVG-MKE nonstop service, and this is also being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430171.

Here is a link to an article mentioning Midwest Express adding CVG-MKE nonstop service on WMTJ's web site: http://www.wtmj.com/news/first-new-midwest-express-plane-lands-flights-to-come-soon/1113851410.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:57 pm

jplatts wrote:
Midwest Express announced today that it is going to be adding CVG-MKE nonstop service, and this is also being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430171.

Here is a link to an article mentioning Midwest Express adding CVG-MKE nonstop service on WMTJ's web site: http://www.wtmj.com/news/first-new-midwest-express-plane-lands-flights-to-come-soon/1113851410.


Curious when this will start. What the flight times will be as well. Probably just M-F right? Wish them well on this endeavor. MKE is a good add. Just the right distance. Feel like this has a half decent chance to work.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:05 pm

Springs1816 wrote:
Curious when this will start. What the flight times will be as well. Probably just M-F right? Wish them well on this endeavor. MKE is a good add. Just the right distance. Feel like this has a half decent chance to work.


There is an article in the Cincinnati Business Courier mentioning the new Midwest Express adding MKE-CVG nonstop service, which can be found at https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/28/new-airline-announces-service-to-cvg.html.

The article also said that "The airline did not announce when the flights will start or how much fares will be, although Courier sister publication Milwaukee Business Journal reported that they could launch by the end of the year and that the first destinations would be guided by Milwaukee’s business community."
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:08 pm

jplatts wrote:
CMH also currently lacks nonstop service to LAX on LCC's or ULCC's, whereas nearby markets such as CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT all have nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC or ULCC.

Here are the LCC/ULCC's currently serving LAX nonstop from CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT:
CVG - F9 (seasonal), G4
CLE - NK
DTW - NK
IND - WN (seasonal)
PIT - NK, WN (WN discontinuing PIT-LAX in January 2020)

If CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT can all support nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC/ULCC, CMH can probably support nonstop service to LAX on WN or NK.


Given that WN is expanding BUR with flights going further east (most recent was to BNA), I could see a possible entry in the SoCal market being through here instead of LAX. While it would be a bold move, BUR offers connections to just about the same destinations. Far fetched? Perhaps...but I don't think that it's out of realm of possibility.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:16 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
CMH also currently lacks nonstop service to LAX on LCC's or ULCC's, whereas nearby markets such as CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT all have nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC or ULCC.

Here are the LCC/ULCC's currently serving LAX nonstop from CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT:
CVG - F9 (seasonal), G4
CLE - NK
DTW - NK
IND - WN (seasonal)
PIT - NK, WN (WN discontinuing PIT-LAX in January 2020)

If CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT can all support nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC/ULCC, CMH can probably support nonstop service to LAX on WN or NK.


Given that WN is expanding BUR with flights going further east (most recent was to BNA), I could see a possible entry in the SoCal market being through here instead of LAX. While it would be a bold move, BUR offers connections to just about the same destinations. Far fetched? Perhaps...but I don't think that it's out of realm of possibility.


I think BUR was Skybus' Los Angeles gateway.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:25 pm

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but I don't think that it's out of realm of possibility.
I do.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:29 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
Given that WN is expanding BUR with flights going further east (most recent was to BNA), I could see a possible entry in the SoCal market being through here instead of LAX. While it would be a bold move, BUR offers connections to just about the same destinations. Far fetched? Perhaps...but I don't think that it's out of realm of possibility.


There are some cities that WN currently serves nonstop from LAX but not from BUR such as ABQ, ATL, AUS, BWI, ELP, IND, MCI, MKE, MSY, RNO, STL, SAT, TPA, and TUS. WN also already has nonstop service out of LAX to the cities that it currently serves nonstop from BUR.

If WN adds nonstop service to Greater Los Angeles out of CMH, WN would likely add CMH-LAX nonstop service as many of the other cities that WN serves nonstop from Greater Los Angeles have nonstop service to LAX but not to BUR, ONT, SNA, or LGB on WN.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:52 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
CMH also currently lacks nonstop service to LAX on LCC's or ULCC's, whereas nearby markets such as CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT all have nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC or ULCC.

Here are the LCC/ULCC's currently serving LAX nonstop from CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT:
CVG - F9 (seasonal), G4
CLE - NK
DTW - NK
IND - WN (seasonal)
PIT - NK, WN (WN discontinuing PIT-LAX in January 2020)

If CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT can all support nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC/ULCC, CMH can probably support nonstop service to LAX on WN or NK.


Given that WN is expanding BUR with flights going further east (most recent was to BNA), I could see a possible entry in the SoCal market being through here instead of LAX. While it would be a bold move, BUR offers connections to just about the same destinations. Far fetched? Perhaps...but I don't think that it's out of realm of possibility.


Interesting concept. As stated, BUR was the LA Basin destination for Skybus plus it would allow for some product differentiation compared to LAX as well as allow for some limited connection opportunities. That being said, an entrance by Southwest into the market would likely end up the same CMH-OAK: discontinued. With LAX being the preferred gateway into the region, plus far more connection opportunities and assuming higher yield as well as 2 incumbent carriers with a total of 3 daily flights, it would be a very difficult battle for WN in BUR or any LA Basin airport. If they were going to try a CA market out of CMH again, I'd much prefer SAN.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:54 pm

flyCMH wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
CMH also currently lacks nonstop service to LAX on LCC's or ULCC's, whereas nearby markets such as CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT all have nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC or ULCC.

Here are the LCC/ULCC's currently serving LAX nonstop from CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT:
CVG - F9 (seasonal), G4
CLE - NK
DTW - NK
IND - WN (seasonal)
PIT - NK, WN (WN discontinuing PIT-LAX in January 2020)

If CVG, CLE, DTW, IND, and PIT can all support nonstop service to LAX on at least one LCC/ULCC, CMH can probably support nonstop service to LAX on WN or NK.


Given that WN is expanding BUR with flights going further east (most recent was to BNA), I could see a possible entry in the SoCal market being through here instead of LAX. While it would be a bold move, BUR offers connections to just about the same destinations. Far fetched? Perhaps...but I don't think that it's out of realm of possibility.


Interesting concept. As stated, BUR was the LA Basin destination for Skybus plus it would allow for some product differentiation compared to LAX as well as allow for some limited connection opportunities. That being said, an entrance by Southwest into the market would likely end up the same CMH-OAK: discontinued. With LAX being the preferred gateway into the region, plus far more connection opportunities and assuming higher yield as well as 2 incumbent carriers with a total of 3 daily flights, it would be a very difficult battle for WN in BUR or any LA Basin airport. If they were going to try a CA market out of CMH again, I'd much prefer SAN.


^seconded.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:02 pm

flyCMH wrote:
That being said, an entrance by Southwest into the market would likely end up the same CMH-OAK: discontinued. With LAX being the preferred gateway into the region, plus far more connection opportunities and assuming higher yield as well as 2 incumbent carriers with a total of 3 daily flights, it would be a very difficult battle for WN in BUR or any LA Basin airport.


NK adding CMH-LAX is a possibility as NK already serves LAX nonstop from a few cities east of CMH such as BWI, CLE, FLL, PHL, and PIT.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:36 pm

I think we here at PIT would gladly trade our NK route to LAX for a legacy route to LAX. LCC/ULCC have really trashed it for us. Business travelers just take a connection.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:24 am

I don't see any need for anyone else hopping on CMH-LAX given the level of service we have now (2x daily AA, daily DL). I was surprised when AA (US) started the first LAX flight and was thrilled when it went double-daily, so I wouldn't want to see it cannibalized/have yields trashed.

I flew out of CMH today. Some observations/notes:
-DL CMH-SLC apparently becomes an afternoon flight in November.
-F9 finally has some form of a flight info board at C47 (one of the cool, old-school plastic ones with the number and destination inserts). I always thought it made it look/feel cheap that they couldn't even put up some sort of display.
-The information for the last flight to depart C47 was for a flight to DEN which had a departure time of 10pm, which is awful even for them.
-DL now has a monitor at C48. Kind of cool to see DL grow all the way to where they were before the C extension in 2002, even if it's a CUTE/city gate (C48 was C2A).
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:03 am

So word around the airport at CVG is that the administration has chosen it's preferred option for future use of the passenger facilities. Going off of this document - https://www.airportprojects.net/cvg-mpu ... Boards.pdf - the airport is going with Family 1 Concept 3.

This would result in a pretty large decrease in the number of International gates but it would eliminate the rescreening process for the majority of passengers.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:17 pm

AirportRival wrote:
So word around the airport at CVG is that the administration has chosen it's preferred option for future use of the passenger facilities. Going off of this document - https://www.airportprojects.net/cvg-mpu ... Boards.pdf - the airport is going with Family 1 Concept 3.

This would result in a pretty large decrease in the number of International gates but it would eliminate the rescreening process for the majority of passengers.

Good, glad to see. So long as the current concourses are holding up structurally, I always thought the current overall terminal set-up positioned CVG well for far into the future (i.e. still looking aesthetically great and easily expandable if need be. I understand the desire to want to eliminate re-screening for international pax, but wonder if that couldn't be accomplished by bussing non-connecting pax directly to the main terminal building from the existing international gates in Concourse B.

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