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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:10 pm

lhpdx wrote:
AS BOI-PDX AUG 7>6[7] SEP 7>0[7] OCT 7>0[7]


This has to be a mistake. That would end all air service between PDX and BOI.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:14 pm

jbpdx wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS BOI-PDX AUG 7>6[7] SEP 7>0[7] OCT 7>0[7]


This has to be a mistake. That would end all air service between PDX and BOI.

It is a mistake. OAG made quite a few mistakes this week.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:16 pm

Westjet adding PDX-YYC is interesting. I guess they'll use D2 along with AC. Maybe D1 as a common use gate?

I don't see the route yet in the reservation system, but I'm sure it will take a while for that to show up.

I wonder if we'll see a response from AC. Maybe even AS too? If that's successful, then maybe we'll get YEG or YYJ as well...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:31 pm

pdx wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Just came across something a bit odd...

Starting June 6th, Alaska's SLC-PDX schedule shows two flights scheduled within 23 minutes of each other. One departs SLC and 12:15 PM (mainline 737), and the next departs at 12:38 PM (Skywest E175): https://www.google.com/flights#flt=SLC. ... 1;t:f;tt:o

Is this perhaps a misfile on their part? If not, then it's certainly an interesting way for them to utilize their fleet on that particular route...


Yeah, talk about odd, I just looked on alaskaair.com SLC-PDX on 08JUN and the fare is $49! Grab it
before it's gone! Could be an error?

It looks like it was literally just fixed last night. The departure times are now 8:00 AM, 12:15 PM, and 7:55 PM. So I guess that was an error...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:37 pm

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Westjet just added PDX-YYC according to the OAG thread.


At long last! I can recall discussions years ago on the Oregon Thread regarding WestJet service to PDX (potential of) and the merits of that airline coming to our fine airport. Great to see that it is finally coming to fruition. I believe this is an excellent add; Calgary is the first city for WestJet that will see new B787-9 with n/s service to Dublin, Paris and London. Additionally the WestJet partnership with Delta allows passengers to both use and accrue Delta SkyMiles on WestJet flights. I'm wondering if the route will see the Q400 or the B737? Secondarily it would be great to see WestJet add a non-stop from PDX to Toronto and go head-to-head with Air Canada (hopefully making the flight more than a seasonal offering).

http://www.westjet.com/en-us/about-us/f ... dreamliner
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:38 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Westjet adding PDX-YYC is interesting. I guess they'll use D2 along with AC. Maybe D1 as a common use gate?

I don't see the route yet in the reservation system, but I'm sure it will take a while for that to show up.

I wonder if we'll see a response from AC. Maybe even AS too? If that's successful, then maybe we'll get YEG or YYJ as well...


FlightView shows Westjet using a Q400 departing at the same time as AC. If they run AC off the route, maybe they’d switch to a 737.
Maybe they’d also consider PDX-YYZ year round.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:50 pm

Westjet's PDX-YYC flight schedule:

Begins April 29, 2019

YYC-PDX: 10:30 AM - 11:17 AM (Q400)
PDX-YYC: 12:10 PM - 2:57 PM (Q400)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:55 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Westjet adding PDX-YYC is interesting. I guess they'll use D2 along with AC. Maybe D1 as a common use gate?

I don't see the route yet in the reservation system, but I'm sure it will take a while for that to show up.

I wonder if we'll see a response from AC. Maybe even AS too? If that's successful, then maybe we'll get YEG or YYJ as well...


Once CC-E extension is completed next spring, I'm pretty sure Westjet and AC will move to E12..There will be a few ground loading positions available on the north side once the construction is complete...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:58 pm

lhpdx wrote:
AS BOI-PDX AUG 7>6[7] SEP 7>0[7] OCT 7>0[7]
AS BOI-SEA SEP 8>9[8] OCT 8>9[8]
PAE was delayed it appears (govt shutdown?)
AS LAS-PAE FEB 0.5>0[0]
AS LAS-PDX JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AS LAS-SEA JUN 9>8[9] JUL 9>8[9] AUG 9>8[9]
AS LAX-PAE FEB 1.8>0[0]
AS PAE-PDX FEB 1.3>0[0]
AS PAE-PHX FEB 0.4>0[0]
AS PAE-SAN FEB 0.7>0[0]
AS PAE-SFO FEB 1.1>0[0] MAR 2>1.5[0]
AS PAE-SJC FEB 0.6>0[0]
AS PDX-PHX JUN 1.5>2[1.1] JUL 1.4>2[1.0] AUG 1.3>2[1.3] SEP 1.0>2[1.0] OCT 1.0>2[1.0]
AS PDX-RNO SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AS PDX-SFO JUN 7>8[8] JUL 7>9[8] AUG 7>9[7] SEP 7>9[7] OCT 7>9[7]


These are nice solid frequency adds by AS out of PDX..
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:59 pm

jbpdx wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Westjet adding PDX-YYC is interesting. I guess they'll use D2 along with AC. Maybe D1 as a common use gate?

I don't see the route yet in the reservation system, but I'm sure it will take a while for that to show up.

I wonder if we'll see a response from AC. Maybe even AS too? If that's successful, then maybe we'll get YEG or YYJ as well...


FlightView shows Westjet using a Q400 departing at the same time as AC. If they run AC off the route, maybe they’d switch to a 737.
Maybe they’d also consider PDX-YYZ year round.


Interesting, if loyalty and mileage accrual equate to anything than WestJet may have a bit more leverage coming into this new market. PDX and the region have a fairly significant portion of the traveling public that are Delta loyalists (this having been built on since the period of Delta's t-pac operations at PDX). Short of WestJet becoming a full-fledged member of SkyTeam their mutual arrangement with Delta is great for those travelers who typically may only fly on a SkyTeam carrier. At this time however I believe Delta and WestJet could do more in terms of communicating this mutual relationship and what benefits are afforded to frequent fliers...certainly not much marketing on that subject is taking place.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:29 pm

lhpdx wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Westjet adding PDX-YYC is interesting. I guess they'll use D2 along with AC. Maybe D1 as a common use gate?

I don't see the route yet in the reservation system, but I'm sure it will take a while for that to show up.

I wonder if we'll see a response from AC. Maybe even AS too? If that's successful, then maybe we'll get YEG or YYJ as well...


Once CC-E extension is completed next spring, I'm pretty sure Westjet and AC will move to E12..There will be a few ground loading positions available on the north side once the construction is complete...


I don't think so, last set of plans I saw there is an elevator that ground loading in theory could happen. But there is only six gates all leased to Southwest. There is no separate gate anymore seperate for ground loading specifically. They will probably do as AC does now, stairs from a jetway.. They could go to the end of C concourse, but that would be short lived, as QX will be moving there while they tear down A concourse and rebuild B.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:51 pm

PDXPOL wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Westjet adding PDX-YYC is interesting. I guess they'll use D2 along with AC. Maybe D1 as a common use gate?

I don't see the route yet in the reservation system, but I'm sure it will take a while for that to show up.

I wonder if we'll see a response from AC. Maybe even AS too? If that's successful, then maybe we'll get YEG or YYJ as well...


Once CC-E extension is completed next spring, I'm pretty sure Westjet and AC will move to E12..There will be a few ground loading positions available on the north side once the construction is complete...


I don't think so, last set of plans I saw there is an elevator that ground loading in theory could happen. But there is only six gates all leased to Southwest. There is no separate gate anymore seperate for ground loading specifically. They will probably do as AC does now, stairs from a jetway.. They could go to the end of C concourse, but that would be short lived, as QX will be moving there while they tear down A concourse and rebuild B.


Thanks for the correction...I remember seeing from the earlier illustrations that there would be a ground hold room at the end of the newly extended E........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:27 pm

I'm surprised they added PDX before SLC, but I also assume DL has that pretty well covered
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:54 pm

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I'm surprised they added PDX before SLC, but I also assume DL has that pretty well covered


Yes, same with SEA.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:13 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Just came across something a bit odd...

Starting June 6th, Alaska's SLC-PDX schedule shows two flights scheduled within 23 minutes of each other. One departs SLC and 12:15 PM (mainline 737), and the next departs at 12:38 PM (Skywest E175): https://www.google.com/flights#flt=SLC. ... 1;t:f;tt:o

Is this perhaps a misfile on their part? If not, then it's certainly an interesting way for them to utilize their fleet on that particular route...


Probably in the middle of a schedule change.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:40 am

PDX TCORE update:

As part of TCORE, we’re closing Concourse A and modifying and expanding Concourse
B. We will relocate Horizon operations to the end of Concourse C which will allow for
the early abandonment of Concourse A. This will allow construction activities on
Concourse-B extension to occur and be isolated from passenger processing and travel.
When construction begins on Concourse B later this fall, Horizon will move operations
to the end of the C Concourse, which steers travelers away from the construction area
and provides more shopping and dining options than are currently available on
Concourse A. The relocation of Horizon operations to Concourse C is currently
scheduled for October 2019 so that it avoids the peak travel season at PDX.
The Hoffman/Skanska team continues to develop and review schedules to determine
early enabling project opportunities and potential tenant impacts. The Concourse B
work is progressing through 90% design; the remodeled and expanded Concourse B is
expected to open in early 2021.




https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/PDX%2 ... 202019.pdf
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:52 am

lhpdx wrote:
PDX TCORE update:

As part of TCORE, we’re closing Concourse A and modifying and expanding Concourse
B. We will relocate Horizon operations to the end of Concourse C which will allow for
the early abandonment of Concourse A. This will allow construction activities on
Concourse-B extension to occur and be isolated from passenger processing and travel.
When construction begins on Concourse B later this fall, Horizon will move operations
to the end of the C Concourse, which steers travelers away from the construction area
and provides more shopping and dining options than are currently available on
Concourse A. The relocation of Horizon operations to Concourse C is currently
scheduled for October 2019 so that it avoids the peak travel season at PDX.
The Hoffman/Skanska team continues to develop and review schedules to determine
early enabling project opportunities and potential tenant impacts. The Concourse B
work is progressing through 90% design; the remodeled and expanded Concourse B is
expected to open in early 2021.




https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/PDX%2 ... 202019.pdf


I've had this idea for awhile now that the Port should renumber the sides of the airport to North/South and renumber the gates N1, N2, S1, S2, etc. so we don't end up with BCDE left. One can dream, of course
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:57 am

AS737MAX wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
PDX TCORE update:

As part of TCORE, we’re closing Concourse A and modifying and expanding Concourse
B. We will relocate Horizon operations to the end of Concourse C which will allow for
the early abandonment of Concourse A. This will allow construction activities on
Concourse-B extension to occur and be isolated from passenger processing and travel.
When construction begins on Concourse B later this fall, Horizon will move operations
to the end of the C Concourse, which steers travelers away from the construction area
and provides more shopping and dining options than are currently available on
Concourse A. The relocation of Horizon operations to Concourse C is currently
scheduled for October 2019 so that it avoids the peak travel season at PDX.
The Hoffman/Skanska team continues to develop and review schedules to determine
early enabling project opportunities and potential tenant impacts. The Concourse B
work is progressing through 90% design; the remodeled and expanded Concourse B is
expected to open in early 2021.




https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/PDX%2 ... 202019.pdf


I've had this idea for awhile now that the Port should renumber the sides of the airport to North/South and renumber the gates N1, N2, S1, S2, etc. so we don't end up with BCDE left. One can dream, of course

:checkmark: Yes. I've always thought that the gates should be labeled that way. Don't think that will ever happen, though.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:38 am

^^^

I think it's really exciting that they are planning to expand B.... but the renders show a grand total of one additional gate.
Why not extended it some more and get to 6 gates?
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:49 am

So will Horizon be at the far end of C permanently? Or is it just temporarily during the construction? I know AA frequently uses C19 and C21-22 for their Embraer E175 PDX-LAX flights, so where would they move to?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:56 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^I think it's really exciting that they are planning to expand B.... but the renders show a grand total of one additional gate.
Why not extended it some more and get to 6 gates?


'B' will have 10 gates: 4 upper-level gates with jetways, and 6 lower-level gates for ground loading. QX will move to the end of 'C' during demolition of 'A' / remodel of 'B' and then move back into 'B' when it is complete.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:43 am

Airlineroute has a link for the Westjet PDX-YYC flight now.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s-in-2q19/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:44 am

I hate to see Southwest leave C. The amenities in that concourse are great.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:03 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Westjet's PDX-YYC flight schedule:

Begins April 29, 2019

YYC-PDX: 10:30 AM - 11:17 AM (Q400)
PDX-YYC: 12:10 PM - 2:57 PM (Q400)


Glad to see a new carrier starting at PDX! I wonder how much this flight will feed WS YYC-Europe flights. Looks like DUB and CDG are starting late spring and will join LGW. The timing for a return flight would entail an overnight stay in Calgary, so not sure if their intent was to feed Europe connections, O&D(is there much of a market? Surely at least a Q400 ;-)), or intra-Canada flights.

Not sure how much market there is, but it’s a bit surprising that there still isn’t any Ns service to YEG. ~1million people and and economically prosperous provincial capital, ~670 miles away.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:47 pm

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PAE was delayed it appears (govt shutdown?)
AS LAS-PAE FEB 0.5>0[0]
AS LAS-PDX JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AS LAS-SEA JUN 9>8[9] JUL 9>8[9] AUG 9>8[9]
AS LAX-PAE FEB 1.8>0[0]
AS PAE-PDX FEB 1.3>0[0]
AS PAE-PHX FEB 0.4>0[0]
AS PAE-SAN FEB 0.7>0[0]
AS PAE-SFO FEB 1.1>0[0] MAR 2>1.5[0]
AS PAE-SJC FEB 0.6>0[0]


Correct - the shutdown is the reason. Alaska has publicly announced a delay of the start of service at PAE from February 11 to March 3.
https://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airli ... d-service/

Those affected will be automatically rebooked to a SEA flight, but can also cancel or delay their plans until the actual start of service without penalty.

There is potential for it to be delayed further.

Here's the start of the discussion about the delay in the Paine Field specific thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1408527&start=100#p21031849
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:31 pm

Does anyone have an update on the UA hangar situation? Did they get over the utilities issue?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:17 am

lhpdx wrote:
PDX TCORE update:

As part of TCORE, we’re closing Concourse A and modifying and expanding Concourse
B. We will relocate Horizon operations to the end of Concourse C which will allow for
the early abandonment of Concourse A. This will allow construction activities on
Concourse-B extension to occur and be isolated from passenger processing and travel.
When construction begins on Concourse B later this fall, Horizon will move operations
to the end of the C Concourse, which steers travelers away from the construction area
and provides more shopping and dining options than are currently available on
Concourse A. The relocation of Horizon operations to Concourse C is currently
scheduled for October 2019 so that it avoids the peak travel season at PDX.
The Hoffman/Skanska team continues to develop and review schedules to determine
early enabling project opportunities and potential tenant impacts. The Concourse B
work is progressing through 90% design; the remodeled and expanded Concourse B is
expected to open in early 2021.




https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/PDX%2 ... 202019.pdf


PDX has seen a lot of international growth in the last year or so, based on the 2018 statistics. Yet there is no mention of plans to widen/extend/improve Concourse D? Seems that should be their focus, if they want to continue to be able to maintain existing and attract new service.

With this project for A/B/C...what impact will that have on the maximum number of passengers PDX can serve? Doesn't seem like a lot of new gates will be added after all of this is done.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:39 am

N174UA wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
PDX TCORE update:

As part of TCORE, we’re closing Concourse A and modifying and expanding Concourse
B. We will relocate Horizon operations to the end of Concourse C which will allow for
the early abandonment of Concourse A. This will allow construction activities on
Concourse-B extension to occur and be isolated from passenger processing and travel.
When construction begins on Concourse B later this fall, Horizon will move operations
to the end of the C Concourse, which steers travelers away from the construction area
and provides more shopping and dining options than are currently available on
Concourse A. The relocation of Horizon operations to Concourse C is currently
scheduled for October 2019 so that it avoids the peak travel season at PDX.
The Hoffman/Skanska team continues to develop and review schedules to determine
early enabling project opportunities and potential tenant impacts. The Concourse B
work is progressing through 90% design; the remodeled and expanded Concourse B is
expected to open in early 2021.




https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/PDX%2 ... 202019.pdf


PDX has seen a lot of international growth in the last year or so, based on the 2018 statistics. Yet there is no mention of plans to widen/extend/improve Concourse D? Seems that should be their focus, if they want to continue to be able to maintain existing and attract new service.

With this project for A/B/C...what impact will that have on the maximum number of passengers PDX can serve? Doesn't seem like a lot of new gates will be added after all of this is done.


I definitely agree - D is dark and and practically had nothing past Burgerville. This is another pipe dream and probably 20-30 years off, but I think the Port should look at a midfield international concourse. 6-8 Gates, including 1 configured to fit up to the A380 (should the need ever arise) as well as a ground boarding area for AC & QX & now WR. Build an international arrivals hall and customs stations underneath so you get the old FIS out of D.

Would need to build a train a la Seatac to connect said terminal to baggage claim and the C/D midpoints. Of course, this is probably a multibillion dollar project...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:05 am

AS737MAX wrote:
N174UA wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
PDX TCORE update:

As part of TCORE, we’re closing Concourse A and modifying and expanding Concourse
B. We will relocate Horizon operations to the end of Concourse C which will allow for
the early abandonment of Concourse A. This will allow construction activities on
Concourse-B extension to occur and be isolated from passenger processing and travel.
When construction begins on Concourse B later this fall, Horizon will move operations
to the end of the C Concourse, which steers travelers away from the construction area
and provides more shopping and dining options than are currently available on
Concourse A. The relocation of Horizon operations to Concourse C is currently
scheduled for October 2019 so that it avoids the peak travel season at PDX.
The Hoffman/Skanska team continues to develop and review schedules to determine
early enabling project opportunities and potential tenant impacts. The Concourse B
work is progressing through 90% design; the remodeled and expanded Concourse B is
expected to open in early 2021.




https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/PDX%2 ... 202019.pdf


PDX has seen a lot of international growth in the last year or so, based on the 2018 statistics. Yet there is no mention of plans to widen/extend/improve Concourse D? Seems that should be their focus, if they want to continue to be able to maintain existing and attract new service.

With this project for A/B/C...what impact will that have on the maximum number of passengers PDX can serve? Doesn't seem like a lot of new gates will be added after all of this is done.


I definitely agree - D is dark and and practically had nothing past Burgerville. This is another pipe dream and probably 20-30 years off, but I think the Port should look at a midfield international concourse. 6-8 Gates, including 1 configured to fit up to the A380 (should the need ever arise) as well as a ground boarding area for AC & QX & now WR. Build an international arrivals hall and customs stations underneath so you get the old FIS out of D.

Would need to build a train a la Seatac to connect said terminal to baggage claim and the C/D midpoints. Of course, this is probably a multibillion dollar project...


If the E extension is a multi billion $$ project, then an international terminal is as well. That being said, I love the idea
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:06 am

AS737MAX wrote:
I definitely agree - D is dark and and practically had nothing past Burgerville. This is another pipe dream and probably 20-30 years off, but I think the Port should look at a midfield international concourse. 6-8 Gates, including 1 configured to fit up to the A380 (should the need ever arise) as well as a ground boarding area for AC & QX & now WR. Build an international arrivals hall and customs stations underneath so you get the old FIS out of D.

Would need to build a train a la Seatac to connect said terminal to baggage claim and the C/D midpoints. Of course, this is probably a multibillion dollar project...

That plan of yours seems like a great way to recruit Emirates to PDX! One can only dream... ;)

As you said, it is 20-30 years away, and plus there isn't too much property left to build on, given that the airport is right along the Columbia River and I-205.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:20 am

FA9295 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
I definitely agree - D is dark and and practically had nothing past Burgerville. This is another pipe dream and probably 20-30 years off, but I think the Port should look at a midfield international concourse. 6-8 Gates, including 1 configured to fit up to the A380 (should the need ever arise) as well as a ground boarding area for AC & QX & now WR. Build an international arrivals hall and customs stations underneath so you get the old FIS out of D.

Would need to build a train a la Seatac to connect said terminal to baggage claim and the C/D midpoints. Of course, this is probably a multibillion dollar project...

That plan of yours seems like a great way to recruit Emirates to PDX! One can only dream... ;)

As you said, it is 20-30 years away, and plus there isn't too much property left to build on, given that the airport is right along the Columbia River and I-205.


Unfortunately, 3/21 is in the way of any viable space.

I seem to remember the first two gates in the alley will be gone once the terminal core is expanded west.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:36 am

AS737MAX wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
I definitely agree - D is dark and and practically had nothing past Burgerville. This is another pipe dream and probably 20-30 years off, but I think the Port should look at a midfield international concourse. 6-8 Gates, including 1 configured to fit up to the A380 (should the need ever arise) as well as a ground boarding area for AC & QX & now WR. Build an international arrivals hall and customs stations underneath so you get the old FIS out of D.

Would need to build a train a la Seatac to connect said terminal to baggage claim and the C/D midpoints. Of course, this is probably a multibillion dollar project...

That plan of yours seems like a great way to recruit Emirates to PDX! One can only dream... ;)

As you said, it is 20-30 years away, and plus there isn't too much property left to build on, given that the airport is right along the Columbia River and I-205.


Unfortunately, 3/21 is in the way of any viable space.

I seem to remember the first two gates in the alley will be gone once the terminal core is expanded west.


Seems like once the construction dust settles instead of getting 8 new gates with jetways, well end up with only 6 and plenty of new RON positions...It wouldn't surprise me within the next 10 years the D concourse will be fully extended with 3-4 additional gates......
 
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I definitely agree - D is dark and and practically had nothing past Burgerville. This is another pipe dream and probably 20-30 years off, but I think the Port should look at a midfield international concourse. 6-8 Gates, including 1 configured to fit up to the A380 (should the need ever arise) as well as a ground boarding area for AC & QX & now WR. Build an international arrivals hall and customs stations underneath so you get the old FIS out of D.

Would need to build a train a la Seatac to connect said terminal to baggage claim and the C/D midpoints. Of course, this is probably a multibillion dollar project...

That plan of yours seems like a great way to recruit Emirates to PDX! One can only dream... ;)

As you said, it is 20-30 years away, and plus there isn't too much property left to build on, given that the airport is right along the Columbia River and I-205.


Unfortunately, 3/21 is in the way of any viable space.

I seem to remember the first two gates in the alley will be gone once the terminal core is expanded west.


You could always build something SW of the old Ameriflight hangar and current BPA hangar connected by an underground rail to the main terminal. International flight use 10R/28L anyway. The terminal doesn’t have to be TBIT size, and not even Terminal 2 at MSP size, just enough to accommodate some heavies and CBP...although if preclearence made its way to places like AMS, NRT, KEF, LHR, FRA, and potential destinations I.e. CDG, DUB, etc., than not much need for that either.

Portland’s international growth will continue. It’s stalled a little the last year in terms of new options, but the growth is there and routes are maturing. I don’t think a whole terminal is necessary as cool as it would be, but a little facelift to D would be nice.
 
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Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:10 pm

On FR24, I just saw an Xtra Airways 737-400 (N313XA) taxi from the terminal, it looks like it was at gate C8: https://www.flightradar24.com/SWQ9313/1f5e6798

It's doing ENV-PDX-RDM routing: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N31 ... /KPDX/KRDM

Is it normal for these charter planes to park at the main terminal? And what could this charter flight be for?
 
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Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:38 pm

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On FR24, I just saw an Xtra Airways 737-400 (N313XA) taxi from the terminal, it looks like it was at gate C8: https://www.flightradar24.com/SWQ9313/1f5e6798

It's doing ENV-PDX-RDM routing: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N31 ... /KPDX/KRDM

Is it normal for these charter planes to park at the main terminal? And what could this charter flight be for?


It's now currently enroute to Boise.
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:13 pm

Has anyone else noticed how much Delta or the Port is investing in advertisements for the PDX-LHR flight? I have seen many billboards around the city, commercials, promos with local news stations and advertisements on magazines. I really hope they do very well on this route to make it year round.
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:47 pm

FA9295 wrote:
On FR24, I just saw an Xtra Airways 737-400 (N313XA) taxi from the terminal, it looks like it was at gate C8: https://www.flightradar24.com/SWQ9313/1f5e6798

It's doing ENV-PDX-RDM routing: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N31 ... /KPDX/KRDM

Is it normal for these charter planes to park at the main terminal? And what could this charter flight be for?



United ground handles these charter flights, ATW and BTW. It operated out of E1. It was a live flight in and a ferry out.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:00 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how much Delta or the Port is investing in advertisements for the PDX-LHR flight? I have seen many billboards around the city, commercials, promos with local news stations and advertisements on magazines. I really hope they do very well on this route to make it year round.


I've seen the TV ads, in fact several times....on KGW (NBC Affiliate in Portland). The ad is not lengthy but visually and by word conveys the message that Delta operates or will operate nonstop flights from PDX to LHR. Thought I might have seen a billboard too...along I-84 (westbound from I-205).
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:09 pm

ramprat74 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
On FR24, I just saw an Xtra Airways 737-400 (N313XA) taxi from the terminal, it looks like it was at gate C8: https://www.flightradar24.com/SWQ9313/1f5e6798

It's doing ENV-PDX-RDM routing: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N31 ... /KPDX/KRDM

Is it normal for these charter planes to park at the main terminal? And what could this charter flight be for?



United ground handles these charter flights, ATW and BTW. It operated out of E1. It was a live flight in and a ferry out.

Ah, that makes more sense. FR24 is never really all that accurate and it looked like the plane was taxiing out from the center portion of the terminal.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:24 pm

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Has anyone else noticed how much Delta or the Port is investing in advertisements for the PDX-LHR flight? I have seen many billboards around the city, commercials, promos with local news stations and advertisements on magazines. I really hope they do very well on this route to make it year round.


I’ve noticed at least two billboards downtown promoting the flight. The most recent one I saw read, “PDX-perience London. The only airline flying nonstop from PDX to London. Flights begin May 9th.” It featured a photo of two hipster-type millenials. Their target demographic for the flight?
Also, does anyone know why the Virgin Atlantic partnership isn’t ever mentioned in any of the promo for the flight? Since it is a metal neutral JV flight, you’d think DL would want to utilize the Virgin Brand, especially on the London end.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:34 pm

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Has anyone else noticed how much Delta or the Port is investing in advertisements for the PDX-LHR flight? I have seen many billboards around the city, commercials, promos with local news stations and advertisements on magazines. I really hope they do very well on this route to make it year round.


I've seen the TV ads, in fact several times....on KGW (NBC Affiliate in Portland). The ad is not lengthy but visually and by word conveys the message that Delta operates or will operate nonstop flights from PDX to LHR. Thought I might have seen a billboard too...along I-84 (westbound from I-205).


Actually a pretty good ad, caught my attention. I think I remember seeing an ad on I-84 after reading your comment, It's been a month since I was out that way. But there is at least one downtown. I think the PoP & DL may have an advertising budget to promote the service. I think we have mostly agreed here since DL announced the route, until it goes year around & at least 5 x weekly it won't be the best business flight.

Even if something is better than nothing, the corporate contracts that would come with a 12 month operation & daily to almost daily service would create the market for the most profitability. It will need to be an O/D flight & make it on the merits of that, but the market needs to be cultivated some more, IMHO. DL offers limited connecting opportunities over LHR & nothing they don't offer via AMS.
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OAG: 2/3/2019
AA CLT-PDX MAY 1.9>1.0[1.0]
AS BOI-PDX AUG 6>8[7] SEP 0>8[7] OCT 0>8[7] NOV 0>8[7] (fixing last week's error)
AS LAX-PDX SEP 7>8[7] OCT 7>8[7] NOV 7>8[7]
B6 JFK-PDX SEP 0.1>0.9[1.0] OCT 0>0.5[0.6]
B6 LGB-PDX SEP 0.1>1.0[1.1] OCT 0>0.8[1.0]
UA DEN-PDX SEP 4>5[4]
WN DEN-PDX AUG 0.8>5[4] SEP 0>5[4]
WN LAX-PDX AUG 0.4>2[3] SEP 0>2[3]
WN OAK-PDX AUG 0.9>6[6] SEP 0>6[5] OCT 0>0.2[6]
WN PDX-SAN AUG 0.4>3[3] SEP 0>3[2]
WN PDX-SJC AUG 0.9>6[5] SEP 0>6[5] OCT 0>0.2[5]
WN PDX-SMF AUG 0.7>5[5] SEP 0>5[4]

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Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:33 pm

What is going on with jetBlue at PDX...?

Over the last year..........
PDX-LGB is down 1 frequency
PDX-BOS starts later, ends earlier
PDX-ANC starts later, ends earlier
PDX-JFK is down to just 3-4x weekly for most of the year.

They really don't like PDX... Gate C6 is vacant for almost all of the day (except for early morning and late at night). This gate could, and should be utilized more throughout the day by a different airline...
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:10 pm

Hawaiian is changing their schedule in March that provides connections from PDX to/from Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland through HNL with a short connection time. Roundtrips as low as ~$700.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:24 pm

FA9295 wrote:
What is going on with jetBlue at PDX...?

Over the last year..........
PDX-LGB is down 1 frequency
PDX-BOS starts later, ends earlier
PDX-ANC starts later, ends earlier
PDX-JFK is down to just 3-4x weekly for most of the year.

They really don't like PDX... Gate C6 is vacant for almost all of the day (except for early morning and late at night). This gate could, and should be utilized more throughout the day by a different airline...


BOS and JFK are a bit too far for the E190, no? B6 seems to be to the east coast what AS is to the west.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:21 am

PDX757 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
What is going on with jetBlue at PDX...?

Over the last year..........
PDX-LGB is down 1 frequency
PDX-BOS starts later, ends earlier
PDX-ANC starts later, ends earlier
PDX-JFK is down to just 3-4x weekly for most of the year.

They really don't like PDX... Gate C6 is vacant for almost all of the day (except for early morning and late at night). This gate could, and should be utilized more throughout the day by a different airline...


BOS and JFK are a bit too far for the E190, no? B6 seems to be to the east coast what AS is to the west.

B6 is strong(er) than PDX at other west-coast stations like SEA and SAN, which have a lot more competition than PDX does.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:10 pm

Was checking FR24 and noticed DL34 SEA-CDG returning to PDX:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL34

Already a PDX-CDG outbound filed for 4:54pm, however accurate that might be. Listening to liveatc and the tower asked for an inspection of 10R, which was just completed. I saw the flight at first and thought it was CDG-SEA, diverting to PDX, but it got to the thin northern part of Idaho before turning around.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:18 am

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Was checking FR24 and noticed DL34 SEA-CDG returning to PDX:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL34

Already a PDX-CDG outbound filed for 4:54pm, however accurate that might be. Listening to liveatc and the tower asked for an inspection of 10R, which was just completed. I saw the flight at first and thought it was CDG-SEA, diverting to PDX, but it got to the thin northern part of Idaho before turning around.


Why not go back to SEA?
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:23 am

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Was checking FR24 and noticed DL34 SEA-CDG returning to PDX:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL34

Already a PDX-CDG outbound filed for 4:54pm, however accurate that might be. Listening to liveatc and the tower asked for an inspection of 10R, which was just completed. I saw the flight at first and thought it was CDG-SEA, diverting to PDX, but it got to the thin northern part of Idaho before turning around.


Why not go back to SEA?


A friend up there and I figured that because they're going to be hit by the snow first, that it'd be easier to fix whatever it is at PDX. Likewise, we ruled out medical, otherwise GEG was closer and has an 11,000 foot runway. Will be interesting to see if it does get out before the snow makes it to Portland.

Edit: Delta.com says the PDX-CDG leg has been cancelled: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... 08/PDX/CDG

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