jbpdx wrote:

bigfoot0503 wrote:

I simply can't shake the feeling that American is a bit slimy. As I suggested before and others have also pointed out, American hasn't really done much here in the Pacific NW and specifically at PDX. I think any consumer who is paying attention will make note of those carriers who bring quality, innovative and supportive airline service to a community. In my opinion here in Portland...American does not make that list.

I just took my first American flight in 30 years. It will be my last. (Sitting in CLT after missing connection by 5 minutes.)

Yes I am there with you. Being a former airline industry employee in both management and front line I have a deep tolerance for service failures and "irregular ops". I have however been subject to far too many service failures on a pretty epic scale with American Airlines. In particular an incident involving my son who is a US Marine stationed in Okinawa who was flying with orders on American from Tokyo to LAX with an ultimate destination in North Carolina. I won't detail his experiences, however let me say that he was treated so horribly throughout his time while going from one disaster to the next that it has forever negatively tainted our view of American. Mind you I think it's reasonable to say that most carriers will go out of their way to accommodate or to somehow recognize our US service members (rightfully so).

I say this as his experience on American was a sharp contrast to his previous flight going from the US to Japan on United Airlines. My son was flying United from LAX to Tokyo and the United gate agent called him up to the podium and stated that the LAX employees of United were grateful for his service as a US Marine and that they had upgraded his seat. My son who had never flown in a first class seat boarded the 787 aircraft and started to turn right for his seat (not fully comprehending the amazing action). As my son continued toward the aircraft mid-section the flight attendant at the aircraft door stopped him, looked at his boarding pass and advised my son to follow him. My son was led towards the cockpit and the first class section....and his upgraded Polaris seat. My son was absolutely blown away at the service gesture and the kindness and respect that United had demonstrated that day.

jbpdx wrote:

BlatantEcho wrote:

^^^ Currently sitting on a Delta 767-300ER about to do AMS-PDX. These birds are getting pretty tired.

I flew over here on virgin 787-9 (Sea-lhr) and man... night and day difference.

Really hope that A339s ply this route in the next year or two. (Since delta isn’t getting 787s....)

The A333 PDX-AMS resumes 31 March.

We’re leaving April 12th & I was plesently surprised to see the A-333 & I am finally getting the type under my belt. I am trying their Comfort plus for the first time as well. Good job by DL if they are using the larger A-333 vs the A-332 for spring season out of PDX.

N174UA wrote:

JL would be the more logical choice, given the AS route network that could support it on the PDX end. That said, JL is only just restarting their SEA flight, and already serves SFO and LAX on the west coast, and maybe even SAN.

Uh, yeah, maybe. JL has flown daily nonstop SAN-NRT since Dec 2012 (except when the 787s were grounded in 2013 when a sub-daily T7 was used.) And it was just reported at SAN.org on 2/22/19 that "Japan Airlines [is] flying a higher density aircraft and operating at one of the highest load factors of any mainland US-Tokyo flight in their system".

N174UA wrote:

I haven't seen the wish list for the Japanese carriers, it may be available somewhere. Not sure if the DOT has a say in how those 12 slots get awarded for flights to the USA.

It's been discussed quite a bit on A.net in fact. JL and NH are receiving 6 HND slot-pairs each which they may use as they wish -- to convert existing U.S. routes from NRT to HND or to add new routes between HND and U.S. destinations. Neither the DOT nor the Japanese government have any say in what the 2 cx choose to do with their new HND slots. Specific plans of JL and NH will, I'm sure, remain secret until after the DOT has made their decisions. .

bb

OAG

AA LAX-RDM JUN 1.1>1.7[1.0]
DL HNL-PDX DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
Y4 GDL-PDX NOV 0>0.9[0.6] DEC 0>0.9[0.7]

Appears that DL is doing away with the Winter HNL flight. Wonder if 4 carriers on PDX-HNL was too much.

Thanks, AS737MAX for the update...........

SANFan wrote:

N174UA wrote:

JL would be the more logical choice, given the AS route network that could support it on the PDX end. That said, JL is only just restarting their SEA flight, and already serves SFO and LAX on the west coast, and maybe even SAN.

Uh, yeah, maybe. JL has flown daily nonstop SAN-NRT since Dec 2012 (except when the 787s were grounded in 2013 when a sub-daily T7 was used.) And it was just reported at SAN.org on 2/22/19 that "Japan Airlines [is] flying a higher density aircraft and operating at one of the highest load factors of any mainland US-Tokyo flight in their system".

N174UA wrote:

I haven't seen the wish list for the Japanese carriers, it may be available somewhere. Not sure if the DOT has a say in how those 12 slots get awarded for flights to the USA.

It's been discussed quite a bit on A.net in fact. JL and NH are receiving 6 HND slot-pairs each which they may use as they wish -- to convert existing U.S. routes from NRT to HND or to add new routes between HND and U.S. destinations. Neither the DOT nor the Japanese government have any say in what the 2 cx choose to do with their new HND slots. Specific plans of JL and NH will, I'm sure, remain secret until after the DOT has made their decisions. .

bb

Lighten up Francis. Stay in your lane. If you bothered to actually read N174UA’s statement, it was about AS connectivity, not how well JL does in SAN. Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing. Trolling for your benefit, is not.

AS737MAX wrote:

OAG

AA LAX-RDM JUN 1.1>1.7[1.0]
DL HNL-PDX DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
Y4 GDL-PDX NOV 0>0.9[0.6] DEC 0>0.9[0.7]

Appears that DL is doing away with the Winter HNL flight. Wonder if 4 carriers on PDX-HNL was too much.

Not really, when you consider they have basically gone year round now, with either FRI or SAT departures. This is very new, and kind of kept going for the first time since the holidays. With their obvious success of the new weekend service, the only thing I can surmise that would lead them to pull their original time frame (Christmas season), would be their expectation that WN enters the market.

well HA did go to 2 daily on PDX-HNL which caused the yield to drop significantly in the market. So this is probably just no the golden goose it has been for the recent years. I doubt WN will enter this market.

tphuang wrote:

well HA did go to 2 daily on PDX-HNL which caused the yield to drop significantly in the market. So this is probably just no the golden goose it has been for the recent years. I doubt WN will enter this market.

When does this start? I'm not seeing 2 daily on HA, just AS.

pdxav8r wrote:

AS737MAX wrote:

OAG

AA LAX-RDM JUN 1.1>1.7[1.0]
DL HNL-PDX DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
Y4 GDL-PDX NOV 0>0.9[0.6] DEC 0>0.9[0.7]

Appears that DL is doing away with the Winter HNL flight. Wonder if 4 carriers on PDX-HNL was too much.

Not really, when you consider they have basically gone year round now, with either FRI or SAT departures. This is very new, and kind of kept going for the first time since the holidays. With their obvious success of the new weekend service, the only thing I can surmise that would lead them to pull their original time frame (Christmas season), would be their expectation that WN enters the market.

I guess I must have missed that it continued past late December/early January.

jetspeed219 wrote:

tphuang wrote:

well HA did go to 2 daily on PDX-HNL which caused the yield to drop significantly in the market. So this is probably just no the golden goose it has been for the recent years. I doubt WN will enter this market.

When does this start? I'm not seeing 2 daily on HA, just AS.

never mind, brain fart on my mind. I was thinking of them adding PDX-OGG, which I think dropped the yields on PDX-HI market last year.

Looks like AC PDX-YYZ is being upgauged to a daily A319 operated by Air Canada Rouge for this summer.

ANA787 wrote:

Looks like AC PDX-YYZ is being upgauged to a daily A319 operated by Air Canada Rouge for this summer.

Wow! From 97 capacity on the E190 to 120 capacity on the A319. Hopefully their putting Rouge on the route brings the prices down. The timetable seems to still show both flights (AC546 and AC1840) as starting on 25May as if they forgot to remove the former.

Timetable: https://services.aircanada.com/portal/r ... 75DFD72085
Portland is on the far right on page 104.

I noticed FI coming in yesterday but leaving today. I thought they weren’t overnighting in PDX anymore?

I thought AC was upgrading the route to year-round service from YYZ?

AS737MAX wrote:

ANA787 wrote:

Looks like AC PDX-YYZ is being upgauged to a daily A319 operated by Air Canada Rouge for this summer.

Wow! From 97 capacity on the E190 to 120 capacity on the A319. Hopefully their putting Rouge on the route brings the prices down. The timetable seems to still show both flights (AC546 and AC1840) as starting on 25May as if they forgot to remove the former.

Timetable: https://services.aircanada.com/portal/r ... 75DFD72085
Portland is on the far right on page 104.

YYZORD wrote:

I thought AC was upgrading the route to year-round service from YYZ?

AS737MAX wrote:

ANA787 wrote:

Looks like AC PDX-YYZ is being upgauged to a daily A319 operated by Air Canada Rouge for this summer.

Wow! From 97 capacity on the E190 to 120 capacity on the A319. Hopefully their putting Rouge on the route brings the prices down. The timetable seems to still show both flights (AC546 and AC1840) as starting on 25May as if they forgot to remove the former.

Timetable: https://services.aircanada.com/portal/r ... 75DFD72085
Portland is on the far right on page 104.

Yes it is still going year round

ANA787 wrote:

YYZORD wrote:

I thought AC was upgrading the route to year-round service from YYZ?

AS737MAX wrote:

Wow! From 97 capacity on the E190 to 120 capacity on the A319. Hopefully their putting Rouge on the route brings the prices down. The timetable seems to still show both flights (AC546 and AC1840) as starting on 25May as if they forgot to remove the former.

Timetable: https://services.aircanada.com/portal/r ... 75DFD72085
Portland is on the far right on page 104.

Yes it is still going year round

I guess the timetable is just confusing because it suggests both operate that day, 25May. Is it going back to the E190 and year-round after the summer?

Someone help me with this. The 319 will obviously provide more seats, but will Rouge really be a bigger fare break, being that most of the seats will be European connections?

AS737MAX wrote:

ANA787 wrote:

Looks like AC PDX-YYZ is being upgauged to a daily A319 operated by Air Canada Rouge for this summer.

Wow! From 97 capacity on the E190 to 120 capacity on the A319. Hopefully their putting Rouge on the route brings the prices down. The timetable seems to still show both flights (AC546 and AC1840) as starting on 25May as if they forgot to remove the former.

Timetable: https://services.aircanada.com/portal/r ... 75DFD72085
Portland is on the far right on page 104.

It's a rouge 319 so 136 seats on it. Almost 40 extra seats each way. Probably just a mistake in the pdf timetable. It's only showing the 319 when you do a booking.

flyoregon wrote:

I noticed FI coming in yesterday but leaving today. I thought they weren’t overnighting in PDX anymore?

I noticed that too. The only information that I had seen previously about the "quick turns" and no more RON for FI at PDX was here on A.Net. Otherwise it looks like the next scheduled flight (03-21-19 arrival from KEF) will again RON and depart back to KEF on 03-22-19.

I just took my first American flight in 30 years. It will be my last. (Sitting in CLT after missing connection by 5 minutes.)

bigfoot0503 wrote:

Yes I am there with you.

Plane CLT-PDX was an hour late so my flight to CLT was late. Ironically, I had contacted American earlier in the month expressing my concern about the tight connection. I got a call from a rep assuring me I’d make the conex. The night I was leaving I started getting emails urging me to rebook just as I was leaving for the airport. Most options were 10-15 hours. One had me flying to CLT then connecting back to DFW then on to Florida. I ended up having to go in to FLL instead of PBI. This is why people (I) don’t like making connections.

With MFR servicing 1 Million passengers in 2018, are there plans for terminal expansion?

OAG for Week of 3/17

DL LAX-PDX OCT 5>4[5]
UA LAX-RDM JUN 1.5>1.0[1.0]

Enilria: Dec is only a partial month filed, so not meaningful. You can compare the NOV last year to the new NOV number for a valid compare.
NK LAS-PDX NOV 1.2>2[2] DEC 0>1.0[1.9]

Enilria: NOV is a partially filed month, so compare last year OCT to the new OCT number.
WN DEN-PDX OCT 0.2>5[4] NOV 0>0.3[4]
WN LAS-PDX OCT 0.1>4[4] NOV 0>0.3[4]
WN LAX-PDX OCT 0.1>3[3]
WN MDW-PDX OCT 0.1>2[2]
WN OAK-PDX OCT 0.2>6[6] NOV 0>0.4[6]
WN PDX-PHX OCT 0.1>3[3] NOV 0>0.2[3]
WN PDX-SAN OCT 0.1>1.9[1.8]
WN PDX-SJC OCT 0.2>6[5] NOV 0>0.3[6]
WN PDX-SMF OCT 0.2>5[5] NOV 0>0.2[5]

Doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary.

AS737MAX wrote:

OAG for Week of 3/17

DL LAX-PDX OCT 5>4[5]
UA LAX-RDM JUN 1.5>1.0[1.0]

Enilria: Dec is only a partial month filed, so not meaningful. You can compare the NOV last year to the new NOV number for a valid compare.
NK LAS-PDX NOV 1.2>2[2] DEC 0>1.0[1.9]

Enilria: NOV is a partially filed month, so compare last year OCT to the new OCT number.
WN DEN-PDX OCT 0.2>5[4] NOV 0>0.3[4]
WN LAS-PDX OCT 0.1>4[4] NOV 0>0.3[4]
WN LAX-PDX OCT 0.1>3[3]
WN MDW-PDX OCT 0.1>2[2]
WN OAK-PDX OCT 0.2>6[6] NOV 0>0.4[6]
WN PDX-PHX OCT 0.1>3[3] NOV 0>0.2[3]
WN PDX-SAN OCT 0.1>1.9[1.8]
WN PDX-SJC OCT 0.2>6[5] NOV 0>0.3[6]
WN PDX-SMF OCT 0.2>5[5] NOV 0>0.2[5]

Doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary.

Thank for the weekly update AS737MAX!!

Recently did a PDX-AMS as well AMS-PDX trip. Didn't realize they do B767s this time of the year. The flight was full on both directions, including the Premium seats.

Here is the customary note, when will PDX get CDG direct connection?

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nmraja wrote:

Recently did a PDX-AMS as well AMS-PDX trip. Didn't realize they do B767s this time of the year. The flight was full on both directions, including the Premium seats.

Here is the customary note, when will PDX get CDG direct connection?

We are going April 12th & it is scheduled to be an Airbus A-333, I think it switches April 1st or so. Trying Comfort plus this time. CDG is a fantasy IMO.

ANA cargo did their test flight to PDX last night. Left this morning for ORD. They are not using their aircraft they subbed it out to Western Global N344KD. This was ANA testing PDX operations and see if they want to start cargo service here. Their corporate people have visited PDX 6 or 7 times reviewing everything. I think PDX is number 1 on the list I hope followed by Seattle and the bay area.

PDXPOL wrote:

ANA cargo did their test flight to PDX last night. Left this morning for ORD. They are not using their aircraft they subbed it out to Western Global N344KD. This was ANA testing PDX operations and see if they want to start cargo service here. Their corporate people have visited PDX 6 or 7 times reviewing everything. I think PDX is number 1 on the list I hope followed by Seattle and the bay area.

So as a cargo flight, would that not have made this test flight a Nippon Cargo (NCA) test? Not All Nippon (ANA) pax test? Thanks for the clarification.

PDXPOL wrote:

ANA cargo did their test flight to PDX last night. Left this morning for ORD. They are not using their aircraft they subbed it out to Western Global N344KD. This was ANA testing PDX operations and see if they want to start cargo service here. Their corporate people have visited PDX 6 or 7 times reviewing everything. I think PDX is number 1 on the list I hope followed by Seattle and the bay area.

That would be a great addition to our air cargo portfolio at PDX...Thanks for the heads up PDXPOL............

‘CDG is a fantasy IMO.’

Agreed. DL is not going to want to give up seats on the daily AMS, and now seasonal daily LHR. CDG plays basically the same function as AMS. Non DL hubs usually are afforded one or the other. If there was as much O&D as there is to LHR, maybe, just don’t see this in the near future.

PDXPOL wrote:

ANA cargo did their test flight to PDX last night. Left this morning for ORD. They are not using their aircraft they subbed it out to Western Global N344KD. This was ANA testing PDX operations and see if they want to start cargo service here. Their corporate people have visited PDX 6 or 7 times reviewing everything. I think PDX is number 1 on the list I hope followed by Seattle and the bay area.

They were in and out early this morning. Definitely intriguing.

RWA380 wrote:

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nmraja wrote:

Recently did a PDX-AMS as well AMS-PDX trip. Didn't realize they do B767s this time of the year. The flight was full on both directions, including the Premium seats.

Here is the customary note, when will PDX get CDG direct connection?

We are going April 12th & it is scheduled to be an Airbus A-333, I think it switches April 1st or so. Trying Comfort plus this time. CDG is a fantasy IMO.

As much as I like the direct connection out of Portland, I avoid comfort+ on the 767 like the plague. Single hardest seat I've ever had to endure. I'm hoping my experience was an older, since replaced product, but(t) ouch...

kdeg00 wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

[photoid][/photoid]

nmraja wrote:

Recently did a PDX-AMS as well AMS-PDX trip. Didn't realize they do B767s this time of the year. The flight was full on both directions, including the Premium seats.

Here is the customary note, when will PDX get CDG direct connection?

We are going April 12th & it is scheduled to be an Airbus A-333, I think it switches April 1st or so. Trying Comfort plus this time. CDG is a fantasy IMO.

As much as I like the direct connection out of Portland, I avoid comfort+ on the 767 like the plague. Single hardest seat I've ever had to endure. I'm hoping my experience was an older, since replaced product, but(t) ouch...

Well I wonder if it’s a different seat on the A-333? I usually don’t fly Delta, but wanted to try something different. I looked at EI from Seattle but they offer no W product. I am paying out of pocket for J, just can’t afford it, but am happy to try W. Thanks for sharing he feedback.

And here's the OAG for 3/24

AA ORD-PDX APR 1.0>0.4[1.0]
UA DEN-EUG OCT 2>3[2] NOV 2>3[2] DEC 2>3[1.9]
UA DEN-PDX OCT 4>5[4] NOV 4>5[5] DEC 4>5[5]
UA IAH-PDX OCT 3>2[2] NOV 3>2[2] DEC 3>2[2]

Enilria: Schedule extension, OCT is a partial month so hard to read.
SY BNA-PDX SEP 0.1>0.3[0] OCT 0>0.3[0]
SY LAS-PDX SEP 0.1>0.6[0] OCT 0>0.5[0]
SY MSP-PDX SEP 0.1>0.9[0.9] OCT 0>0.7[0.8] NOV 0>0.2[0.5]

AS737MAX wrote:

And here's the OAG for 3/24

AA ORD-PDX APR 1.0>0.4[1.0]

Why don’t they just take OneWorld the f u c k out of Portland?

jbpdx wrote:

AS737MAX wrote:

And here's the OAG for 3/24

AA ORD-PDX APR 1.0>0.4[1.0]

Why don’t they just take OneWorld the f u c k out of Portland?

AA must not be doing well, having to compete with AS, UA, and WN. I know butts in seats is not always a great indicator of route performance, but on my way back from MLS Cup in December, I was rebooked ATL-ORD-PDX, and my ORD-PDX segment was 100% full. If AA can't make ORD-PDX (or even JFK-SEA is getting cut down), then it beats me what they're trying to do at two of the biggest cities in the U.S., other than giving the market up to the carriers that are actively fighting for market share.

AA Competition:

CLT: None
CHI: AS, UA, WN
DFW: AS
LAX: AS, WN, DL
PHX: AS, WN, SY
PHL: AS Seasonally

AA's come pretty far from the days at PDX when all we got was a couple of MD-83s a day from DFW, and couldn't even make ORD work year-round consistently until a few years ago.

AS737MAX wrote:

jbpdx wrote:

AS737MAX wrote:

And here's the OAG for 3/24

AA ORD-PDX APR 1.0>0.4[1.0]

Why don’t they just take OneWorld the f u c k out of Portland?

AA must not be doing well, having to compete with AS, UA, and WN. I know butts in seats is not always a great indicator of route performance, but on my way back from MLS Cup in December, I was rebooked ATL-ORD-PDX, and my ORD-PDX segment was 100% full. If AA can't make ORD-PDX (or even JFK-SEA is getting cut down), then it beats me what they're trying to do at two of the biggest cities in the U.S., other than giving the market up to the carriers that are actively fighting for market share.

AA Competition:

CLT: None
CHI: AS, UA, WN
DFW: AS
LAX: AS, WN, DL
PHX: AS, WN, SY
PHL: AS Seasonally

AA's come pretty far from the days at PDX when all we got was a couple of MD-83s a day from DFW, and couldn't even make ORD work year-round consistently until a few years ago.

The reduction on the ORD-PDX route for AA is likely temporary, due to 737MAX issues. Once resolved, we'll likely see an increase in frequency.

American Airlines reduced the ORD due to the aircraft out of service.

UA 757-200 just landed at PDX (#1875 SFO-PDX)

Can't remember the last time I saw one at PDX.... only 737's these days

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KPDX

That looks like an aberration- doing a day of routes normally listed as A320/A319: SFO-PDX-DEN-PHX-SFO before resuming its normal ops doing transcon or overseas flights

PacificWest wrote:

UA 757-200 just landed at PDX (#1875 SFO-PDX)

Can't remember the last time I saw one at PDX.... only 737's these days

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KPDX

Gosh, I miss those days of 757's all over the place at PDX. I remember a time, I want to say 2002/2003, when UA, AA, NW, DL, CO were all flying 757's into Portland. If you'd go to PDX at night, the row of UA RON's was 4-6 757's all parked out near where the UAEX was.

N174UA wrote:

AS737MAX wrote:

jbpdx wrote:

Why don’t they just take OneWorld the f u c k out of Portland?

AA must not be doing well, having to compete with AS, UA, and WN. I know butts in seats is not always a great indicator of route performance, but on my way back from MLS Cup in December, I was rebooked ATL-ORD-PDX, and my ORD-PDX segment was 100% full. If AA can't make ORD-PDX (or even JFK-SEA is getting cut down), then it beats me what they're trying to do at two of the biggest cities in the U.S., other than giving the market up to the carriers that are actively fighting for market share.

AA Competition:

CLT: None
CHI: AS, UA, WN
DFW: AS
LAX: AS, WN, DL
PHX: AS, WN, SY
PHL: AS Seasonally

AA's come pretty far from the days at PDX when all we got was a couple of MD-83s a day from DFW, and couldn't even make ORD work year-round consistently until a few years ago.

The reduction on the ORD-PDX route for AA is likely temporary, due to 737MAX issues. Once resolved, we'll likely see an increase in frequency.

CrisAA wrote:

American Airlines reduced the ORD due to the aircraft out of service.

This is probably the case, but given AA's history here, I don't think some of us wouldn't put it past AA to do this regardless if the MAX was grounded or not.

PacificWest wrote:

UA 757-200 just landed at PDX (#1875 SFO-PDX)

Can't remember the last time I saw one at PDX.... only 737's these days

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KPDX

Nice! But likely an aircraft substitution. SFO has been on a ground stop for a while today, due to winds and weather. The 757 was likely put on to relieve delayed travelers today.

RWA380 wrote:

We are going April 12th & it is scheduled to be an Airbus A-333, I think it switches April 1st or so. Trying Comfort plus this time. CDG is a fantasy IMO.

Have a nice trip. Please don't think I am arguing against your comment on CDG. I am asking this because I don't know enough history. Was there a good business case or did people think RKV would be a possibility or a success (whatever it has now) before Iceland Air started PDX service?

PDX Portland International Airport

February 2019 traffic
Total. 1,306,710 +1.3%
Domestic. 1,260,406. +1.8%
International. 46,304. -10.4%*

2019 year to date
Total. 2,695,869 +3.2%
Domestic. 2,597,966. +3.7%
International. 97,903. -9.1%*

*Mainly due to Aeromexico dropping PDX-MEX.

(Feb 2019 vs Feb 2018)
Frontier. -7.3%
JetBlue. -36.5%
Volaris. +32.2%
Sun Country +6,325.6%
Delta. +9.7%
Cathay Pacific Cargo. 630 tons +54.8%

nmraja wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

We are going April 12th & it is scheduled to be an Airbus A-333, I think it switches April 1st or so. Trying Comfort plus this time. CDG is a fantasy IMO.

Have a nice trip. Please don't think I am arguing against your comment on CDG. I am asking this because I don't know enough history. Was there a good business case or did people think RKV would be a possibility or a success (whatever it has now) before Iceland Air started PDX service?

Thank You, I am meeting up with five half brothers & sisters I never knew existed until a few months ago in Dublin. Even if you disagree with me that’s fine, we can have a conversation about the subject, but no worries.

I feel a CDG flight on AF or DL would take away the connecting traffic that helps fill the 763 or A-333 to AMS, enough so that it would cannibalize the profitability of Amsterdam from Delta.

I am sure there is one or two places that are exceptions, but there are almost no cities that can be obtained via CDG that can’t be reached going via AMS.

I think KEF was a good place to go from Portland, it’s ability as a hub that serves the better part of Northern Europe has given several one-stop options that didn’t exist before FI. The marketing folks in Iceland have become very good as promoting Iceland as a bonus destination & not just a stopover.

But as it is with any new International flights from untested cities can bring a level of uncertainty & risk for any carrier.

flyoregon wrote:

PacificWest wrote:

UA 757-200 just landed at PDX (#1875 SFO-PDX)

Can't remember the last time I saw one at PDX.... only 737's these days

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KPDX

Gosh, I miss those days of 757's all over the place at PDX. I remember a time, I want to say 2002/2003, when UA, AA, NW, DL, CO were all flying 757's into Portland. If you'd go to PDX at night, the row of UA RON's was 4-6 757's all parked out near where the UAEX was.

And going back further, I miss the old UA days, when the gates were littered with stretch DC-8’s. If you were lucky enough to have an early morning departure, you would witness RON’s of the UA DC-8’s, a couple UA DC-10’s, couple NW DC-10’s, an EA L1011 (or A300), a HA DC-10, DL L1011, was a beautiful sight.

jbpdx wrote:

PDX Portland International Airport

February 2019 traffic
Total. 1,306,710 +1.3%
Domestic. 1,260,406. +1.8%
International. 46,304. -10.4%*

2019 year to date
Total. 2,695,869 +3.2%
Domestic. 2,597,966. +3.7%
International. 97,903. -9.1%*

*Mainly due to Aeromexico dropping PDX-MEX.

(Feb 2019 vs Feb 2018)
Frontier. -7.3%
JetBlue. -36.5%
Volaris. +32.2%
Sun Country +6,325.6%
Delta. +9.7%
Cathay Pacific Cargo. 630 tons +54.8%

Thanks for sharing these statistics. Overall good numbers for PDX for mid-winter. February 2019 was a tough weather month for much of the country, and PDX had its share of delays and cancellations as well.

Could Volaris pick up PDX-MEX?

RWA380 wrote:

nmraja wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

We are going April 12th & it is scheduled to be an Airbus A-333, I think it switches April 1st or so. Trying Comfort plus this time. CDG is a fantasy IMO.

Have a nice trip. Please don't think I am arguing against your comment on CDG. I am asking this because I don't know enough history. Was there a good business case or did people think RKV would be a possibility or a success (whatever it has now) before Iceland Air started PDX service?

Thank You, I am meeting up with five half brothers & sisters I never knew existed until a few months ago in Dublin. Even if you disagree with me that’s fine, we can have a conversation about the subject, but no worries.

I feel a CDG flight on AF or DL would take away the connecting traffic that helps fill the 763 or A-333 to AMS, enough so that it would cannibalize the profitability of Amsterdam from Delta.

I am sure there is one or two places that are exceptions, but there are almost no cities that can be obtained via CDG that can’t be reached going via AMS.

I think KEF was a good place to go from Portland, it’s ability as a hub that serves the better part of Northern Europe has given several one-stop options that didn’t exist before FI. The marketing folks in Iceland have become very good as promoting Iceland as a bonus destination & not just a stopover.

But as it is with any new International flights from untested cities can bring a level of uncertainty & risk for any carrier.

I think too that none of us could have expected DE and FI, especially after LH’s departure and the shaky future that came with DL to AMS/NRT after the NW merger. Now both carriers are up to almost daily and are starting earlier and ending later than they did in S15. Obviously neither budget carrier is going to match up to Delta, but an extra city, even if it is Paris, would only hurt AMS/LHR like you mentioned. Maybe it would have happened if we hadn’t gotten DE/FI and DL to LHR.

On an unrelated note, looks like low viz is causing issues at RDM:

KRDM 280756Z AUTO 31003KT 1SM BR VV002 03/02 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP173 T00280022 400890022

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QXE2304

RWA380 wrote:

Thank You, I am meeting up with five half brothers & sisters I never knew existed until a few months ago in Dublin. Even if you disagree with me that’s fine, we can have a conversation about the subject, but no worries.

I feel a CDG flight on AF or DL would take away the connecting traffic that helps fill the 763 or A-333 to AMS, enough so that it would cannibalize the profitability of Amsterdam from Delta.

I am sure there is one or two places that are exceptions, but there are almost no cities that can be obtained via CDG that can’t be reached going via AMS.

I think KEF was a good place to go from Portland, it’s ability as a hub that serves the better part of Northern Europe has given several one-stop options that didn’t exist before FI. The marketing folks in Iceland have become very good as promoting Iceland as a bonus destination & not just a stopover.

But as it is with any new International flights from untested cities can bring a level of uncertainty & risk for any carrier.

Thanks for your response. Interesting to hear the personal reasons of your trip. Have fun.

I didn't realize till now that KEF flight is also used for onward connections. Now this dents my hopes that CDG would provide more connections. My only hope is that DL/AF/KLM combo could provide better options but I do see that it will impact AMS connections negatively.

The one reason that raised my hope was that there seems to be a lot of Netherlands-Portland travel more than people connecting to other places in Europe. I did see quite a few onward connections to Asia, like I did. I don't have any detailed proof, but just mere observations from the occasional trips.

Another reason for hope is the continued increase in frequency/period/up-gauge of the other Europe flights out of PDX.

The other reason is that there's still tons of people using SEA to travel to Europe/Asia. On my recent trip, 3 other people from my office used SEA route. I tried my best to make it a PDX route. Since LHR wasn't operation at this time of the year, I had only AMS option and squeezed it out.