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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:51 am

jbpdx wrote:
TheLion wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

Checking occasionally, Delta One and Comfort are usually full, plus all fares are high, ~$3,500 r/t coach. Delta still shows an A332 on this route next year, unless that changes after May 2020.


$3.5k return for coach?! Who on earth pays that on a ten hour flight. Don’t you mean for Comfort or Delta One?

Cheers
The Lion


Example (today from Delta app)
PDX-LHR
26 Aug/30 Aug
round trip

Coach $3,494
Comfort+ $3,833
Delta One $10,169


Need to remember that its summer and that booking now for 26th Aug is fairly short notice. British family’s who have to travel in the school holidays often book 6-8 months in advance. Kids in the UK don’t go back to school until early September. Also you are looking at out on a Monday back on a Thursday so fairly short stay with no weekend. All these factors will help to make it expensive.

PDX-LHR
09/16 Sep
Return
Coach USD808.13 (Delta.com)

LHR-PDX
09/16 Sep
Return
Coach £602 (expedia)

By the way I flew LHR-SEA on VS in Upper Class in Jun and PDX-LHR on DL in D1. I did’t expect to but I preferred Delta.
I also didn’t expect to like Portland but Its now one of my favourite US cities.

Alex
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:14 am

richcandy wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
TheLion wrote:

$3.5k return for coach?! Who on earth pays that on a ten hour flight. Don’t you mean for Comfort or Delta One?

Cheers
The Lion


Example (today from Delta app)
PDX-LHR
26 Aug/30 Aug
round trip

Coach $3,494
Comfort+ $3,833
Delta One $10,169


Need to remember that its summer and that booking now for 26th Aug is fairly short notice. British family’s who have to travel in the school holidays often book 6-8 months in advance. Kids in the UK don’t go back to school until early September. Also you are looking at out on a Monday back on a Thursday so fairly short stay with no weekend. All these factors will help to make it expensive.

PDX-LHR
09/16 Sep
Return
Coach USD808.13 (Delta.com)

LHR-PDX
09/16 Sep
Return
Coach £602 (expedia)

By the way I flew LHR-SEA on VS in Upper Class in Jun and PDX-LHR on DL in D1. I did’t expect to but I preferred Delta.
I also didn’t expect to like Portland but Its now one of my favourite US cities.

Alex


Alex...glad you were able to visit Portland and that you enjoyed it! Just curious what was it that initially made you feel that you might not like Portland? Sadly there are probably others that form their opinions of Portland based on the media coverage...which is unfortunate...because it is an absolutely wonderful place to live and or visit! Like any metro area there are good/bad, up's & downs.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:45 pm

Booked 3 RTs in coach on PDX-LHR for late September for employees. ~$970RT all in per person, fair number of aisle seats left in main cabin, everything forward fully booked out. I was shocked by the price Had assumed I was going to have to torture them through MSP or JFK.

richcandy wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
TheLion wrote:

$3.5k return for coach?! Who on earth pays that on a ten hour flight. Don’t you mean for Comfort or Delta One?

Cheers
The Lion


Example (today from Delta app)
PDX-LHR
26 Aug/30 Aug
round trip

Coach $3,494
Comfort+ $3,833
Delta One $10,169


Need to remember that its summer and that booking now for 26th Aug is fairly short notice. British family’s who have to travel in the school holidays often book 6-8 months in advance. Kids in the UK don’t go back to school until early September. Also you are looking at out on a Monday back on a Thursday so fairly short stay with no weekend. All these factors will help to make it expensive.

PDX-LHR
09/16 Sep
Return
Coach USD808.13 (Delta.com)

LHR-PDX
09/16 Sep
Return
Coach £602 (expedia)

By the way I flew LHR-SEA on VS in Upper Class in Jun and PDX-LHR on DL in D1. I did’t expect to but I preferred Delta.
I also didn’t expect to like Portland but Its now one of my favourite US cities.

Alex
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:52 pm

bigfoot0503 wrote:
richcandy wrote:
jbpdx wrote:


Alex...glad you were able to visit Portland and that you enjoyed it! Just curious what was it that initially made you feel that you might not like Portland? Sadly there are probably others that form their opinions of Portland based on the media coverage...which is unfortunate...because it is an absolutely wonderful place to live and or visit! Like any metro area there are good/bad, up's & downs.


Well actually I knew very little about Portland. Its not somewhere that I think most Brits know much about. In Seattle wanted to visit the space needle, Boeing factory tour, museum of flight etc. So I thought I would really like Seattle but not find a lot to do in Portland, however I spent three days easily there. Visited an art museum, voodoo doughnuts (ok twice), Powell books, Pittock Mansion, shopped (with no sales tax). I wanted to go to the Oregon Rail Heritage center But unfortunately it was closed. I would visit Portland again but I’m not sure I would go to Seattle again. Portland seamed cleaner and a bit more friendly.
Alex
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:59 pm

AS BUR-PDX NOV 3>2[2] DEC 3>2[3]
AS GEG-PDX NOV 8>7[7] DEC 8>7[7]
AS LAS-PDX NOV 4>3[3] DEC 4>3[3]
AS LAX-PDX NOV 8>7[7] DEC 8>7[7]
AS OAK-PDX NOV 3>2[2] DEC 3>2[2]
AS PDX-SAN NOV 3>4[3] DEC 3>4[3]
AS PDX-SEA DEC 19>20[20]
Trip swapped from SFO to SJC, interesting
AS PDX-SFO NOV 8>7[7] DEC 8>7[7]
AS PDX-SJC NOV 5>6[5] DEC 5>6[5]
AS PDX-STS NOV 1.1>1.5[1.1] DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AS PDX-TUS NOV 0.9>0.7[0.7]
NK LAS-PDX FEB 0.7>1.9[1.9] APR 0>1.4[2


Interesting weekly report..........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:32 am

bigfoot0503 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:

Something I found encouraging regarding the DL Portland to London nonstop is the aircraft up-gauge to the newly configured Delta B767-400 (enhanced Delta One offering).


The Delta app shows an A332 in 2020.


--
Yeah, I'm looking to book June 2020 currently, and it's showing A332 still. Hopefully that will change over to the new 764ER. I haven't taken many flights on those.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:59 am

Does anyone know how they’ll route the A332 to Haneda? I think they’ll route it through AMS or they’ll upgrade the morning ATL or JFK flight.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:06 am

Yes. It definitely goes through HND.
That was part of Delta’s application with DOT.

It would make sense in winter- pdx-ams upgauges to a332 as well. Then they can route it and-pdx-hnd-pdx-ams.

In summer, it’s more confusing as they just said pdx-lhr will be 767-400ER with the new suites.

Sooo, we’ll either see some domestic route of the a332 to get it to pdx, or LHR will stay a332 or.....??
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:42 pm

SY is at it again with SJD reportedly being added in December. They must be doing OK in Portland because they keep adding smart cities.

I'm also amazed at how much activity there is from Prime Air in/out of Portland. Is it the distribution centers in Troutdale, Hillsboro, Portland, and soon Salem that's driving that?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:54 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:


The Delta app shows an A332 in 2020.


--
Yeah, I'm looking to book June 2020 currently, and it's showing A332 still. Hopefully that will change over to the new 764ER. I haven't taken many flights on those.


Yes, I too have seen that. It's odd then that they have recently publicized the swap to the B767-400 with the updated four class cabin...with specific mention of the PDX to LHR route, as well as a handful of other DL international routes. The information was not only highlighted in a Delta Media release...but in several other aviation publications. From my own personal preference I hope to see the updated 767-400 on the PDX-LHR route.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:18 pm

8/11 OAG

DL DTW-PDX APR 1.0>1.9[1.0]
SY PDX-SJD JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Bracing for bad numbers? This is late for the traffic report.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:26 am

PDX Portland International Airport
June 2019 passenger traffic

(Compared to June 2018)
Total 1,860,276. -1.5%
Domestic 1,767,588. -1.6%
International 92,688 +1.0%


Lack of LCC service and other cutbacks are taking a toll. Still crunching.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:50 am

PDX June 2019

Southwest down 302 flights compared to June 2018 (-11.2 %)

JetBlue down 102 flights (-36.7 %)
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:05 am

American operated 102 fewer flights in June 2018 compared to June 2018 (-14 %)

Delta traffic up 11.1% with 142 more flights.

Sun Country traffic up 201.5%

Condor up 77.5%

Volaris up 14.6%

Skywest up 83.7% with a 78% increase in flights.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:43 am

jbpdx wrote:
American operated 102 fewer flights in June 2018 compared to June 2018 (-14 %)

Delta traffic up 11.1% with 142 more flights.

Sun Country traffic up 201.5%

Condor up 77.5%

Volaris up 14.6%

Skywest up 83.7% with a 78% increase in flights.


Considering a slowing economy, airline cutbacks and route reevalution due to MAX cancellations, I'd say this is pretty good. Delta is a huge player in Portland and they're up, Sun Country is doing great considering most had written off LCC's like NK and F9 in Portland, Condor is up by a HUGE margin and I'm surprised it's not year-round, Volaris is doing great and playing it smart, and Skywest increases are very likely because of Alaska for the most part. Overall, the pessimistic attitude towards airlines and Portland is kind of getting old. Airlines are holding their own and doing well in a market the size of Portland. This year has been ripe with problems in the industry and I'd say PDX is fairing quite well.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:05 pm

PDX Portland International Airport
Fiscal year ending 30 June 2019


Passenger traffic (% compared to FY2018)
Total: 19,941,424. (+2.4%)
Domestic: 19,094,789. (+2.2%)
International: 846,635. (+6.1%)

Despite the cutbacks, should top 20 million for calendar year 2019.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:41 pm

PDX-AMS operating by 763 today.
Where’s the broken A333?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:31 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-AMS operating by 763 today.
Where’s the broken A333?



FlightView shows 763 on PDX-AMS until 1 Sept.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:38 pm

Delta is sending a B763 ferry, maybe? Anyone have an idea why this aircraft is headed this way?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9962
Next Flight:
PDX-SEA-PHX-LAX-PDX on DL
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:36 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
Delta is sending a B763 ferry, maybe? Anyone have an idea why this aircraft is headed this way?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9962



Atlanta plays the Timbers here today.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:53 pm

OAG: Quite a bit for WN, according to Enilria in the original thread, MAR is only a partial month & numbers are to be ignored for WN only.

AA LAX-MFR DEC 1.0>1.4[1.4] JAN 1.0>1.2[1.2]
AA LAX-RDM DEC 1.0>1.5[1.4]

UA DEN-MFR JAN 3>2[2]
UA IAD-PDX JAN 1.0>0.2[0.2] FEB 1.0>0.6[0]

WN BUR-PDX JAN 0.2>0.9[0.9] FEB 0>0.8[0.9] MAR 0>0.2[0.8]
WN DEN-PDX JAN 0.7>4[4] MAR 0>0.7[4]
WN LAS-PDX JAN 0.6>3[3] MAR 0>0.6[4
WN LAX-PDX JAN 0.3>1.0[1.8] FEB 0>0.8[1.6] MAR 0>0.2[2]
WN MDW-PDX JAN 0.3>1.2[1.2] MAR 0>0.2[1.5]
WN OAK-PDX JAN 0.9>5[5] MAR 0>1.1[6]
WN ONT-PDX JAN 0.1>0.9[0.8] FEB 0>0.8[0.7] MAR 0>0.2[0.9]
WN PDX-PHX JAN 0.5>3[3] MAR 0>0.6[3]
WN PDX-SAN JAN 0.4>1.2[3] FEB 0>1.0[3] MAR 0>0.2[3]
WN PDX-SJC JAN 0.8>6[6] MAR 0>1.3[6]
WN PDX-SMF JAN 0.7>5[5] FEB 0>4[5] MAR 0>1.0[5]
WN PDX-STL JAN 0.2>1.0[1.0] MAR 0>0.2[1.0]
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:10 am

The 1.5% decline in total passenger traffic at PDX in June appears to be the first negative number since July 2010.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:21 am

jbpdx wrote:
The 1.5% decline in total passenger traffic at PDX in June appears to be the first negative number since July 2010.


Airlines’ MAX issues, been said a million times. Expect every month to reflect this until it comes online.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:29 am

pdxav8r wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
The 1.5% decline in total passenger traffic at PDX in June appears to be the first negative number since July 2010.


Airlines’ MAX issues, been said a million times. Expect every month to reflect this until it comes online.


Nope. It has nothing to do with MAX.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:32 am

jbpdx wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
The 1.5% decline in total passenger traffic at PDX in June appears to be the first negative number since July 2010.


Airlines’ MAX issues, been said a million times. Expect every month to reflect this until it comes online.


Nope. It has nothing to do with MAX.



According to the Port's executive report it does. They been saying it at every commission meeting, the Max grounding is having a system wide affect which has reduced passenger counts.

https://popcdn.azureedge.net/commission ... t-Comb.pdf
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:25 pm

I forgot the negative numbers in April:

Domestic. 1,497,537 -1.5%
International. 58,336 -0.8%
Total. 1,555,873. -1.5%

So June was the second contraction since July 2010 and the second in the first half of 2019. The MAX situation is a factor but a minor one. Southwest and American (the most affected by MAX) have much bigger operations at BNA yet they are still seeing growth. JetBlue went from 252 flights in May 2018 to 102 this May. Spirit cut. Frontier cut. Even Compass Air DL and AA flights to LAX are down. Not filling unserved routes and lack of ULCC options are creating the stagnation.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:47 pm

OAG For 8/25: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429991

AS ABQ-PDX JAN 0.8>1.0[0.8]
AS BUR-PDX JAN 3>2[3]
AS LAX-PDX JAN 8>7[7]
AS MCI-PDX JAN 1.0>0.2[0.2] FEB 1.0>0.6[0]
AS PDX-PVR JAN 0.5>0.9[0.5] FEB 0.6>0.9[0.6] MAR 0.6>1.0[0.6] APR 0.5>0.7[0.5]
AS PDX-SEA JAN 19>22[23] FEB 19>20[23]
AS PDX-SFO JAN 8>7[7]
AS PDX-SJD JAN 0.6>0.9[0.6] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAR 0.5>1.0[0.5] APR 0.5>0.7[0.6]
AS PDX-SLC JAN 2>3[2]
AS PDX-SNA JAN 4>3[4]

WN LAS-PDX NOV 4>3[4]
WN LAX-PDX NOV 1.8>1.4[2]
WN MCI-PDX NOV 0.3>0.7[1.0]
WN MDW-PDX NOV 1.9>1.3[2.0]
WN PDX-SJC NOV 6>5[6]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
OAG For 8/25: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429991

AS ABQ-PDX JAN 0.8>1.0[0.8]
AS BUR-PDX JAN 3>2[3]
AS LAX-PDX JAN 8>7[7]
AS MCI-PDX JAN 1.0>0.2[0.2] FEB 1.0>0.6[0]
AS PDX-PVR JAN 0.5>0.9[0.5] FEB 0.6>0.9[0.6] MAR 0.6>1.0[0.6] APR 0.5>0.7[0.5]
AS PDX-SEA JAN 19>22[23] FEB 19>20[23]
AS PDX-SFO JAN 8>7[7]
AS PDX-SJD JAN 0.6>0.9[0.6] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAR 0.5>1.0[0.5] APR 0.5>0.7[0.6]
AS PDX-SLC JAN 2>3[2]
AS PDX-SNA JAN 4>3[4]

WN LAS-PDX NOV 4>3[4]
WN LAX-PDX NOV 1.8>1.4[2]
WN MCI-PDX NOV 0.3>0.7[1.0]
WN MDW-PDX NOV 1.9>1.3[2.0]
WN PDX-SJC NOV 6>5[6]



Thanks for the update..I've never seen AS BUR and SNA with such low :cry: frequencies out of PDX..........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:24 am

Dual HA 332’s into PDX tonight, as both HNL and OGG flights upgauged. First time? HNL is often upgauged, but not so much for OGG. Both scheduled 321 tomorrow. I flew the OGG flights plenty when they were 763’s. Been a while since HA had WB’s on both routes.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:57 am

pdxav8r wrote:
Dual HA 332’s into PDX tonight, as both HNL and OGG flights upgauged. First time? HNL is often upgauged, but not so much for OGG. Both scheduled 321 tomorrow. I flew the OGG flights plenty when they were 763’s. Been a while since HA had WB’s on both routes.


I would imagine so, but there was a DL A359 diversion twice, so maybe. Interesting to note that HAL40 went into D15 (Per flightaware) and HAL26 into D10 (Per flypdx.com) as there's some work going on at D12? on the ramp.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:26 am

AS737MAX wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
Dual HA 332’s into PDX tonight, as both HNL and OGG flights upgauged. First time? HNL is often upgauged, but not so much for OGG. Both scheduled 321 tomorrow. I flew the OGG flights plenty when they were 763’s. Been a while since HA had WB’s on both routes.


I would imagine so, but there was a DL A359 diversion twice, so maybe. Interesting to note that HAL40 went into D15 (Per flightaware) and HAL26 into D10 (Per flypdx.com) as there's some work going on at D12? on the ramp.


I don’t think D12 can handle a A330.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:02 am

kunta67 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
Dual HA 332’s into PDX tonight, as both HNL and OGG flights upgauged. First time? HNL is often upgauged, but not so much for OGG. Both scheduled 321 tomorrow. I flew the OGG flights plenty when they were 763’s. Been a while since HA had WB’s on both routes.


I would imagine so, but there was a DL A359 diversion twice, so maybe. Interesting to note that HAL40 went into D15 (Per flightaware) and HAL26 into D10 (Per flypdx.com) as there's some work going on at D12? on the ramp.


I don’t think D12 can handle a A330.


You’re right - not sure if anything else was full down there too.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:04 am

pdxav8r wrote:
Dual HA 332’s into PDX tonight, as both HNL and OGG flights upgauged. First time? HNL is often upgauged, but not so much for OGG. Both scheduled 321 tomorrow. I flew the OGG flights plenty when they were 763’s. Been a while since HA had WB’s on both routes.


Right at the on-set of the OGG-PDX A-321neo introduction, there were at least two days OGG-PDX was flown on the A-332's because of the 321 not operating, can't remember why. At that time HNL was still the A-332 scheduled as such. It's nice to see the two Pu'ulani tails, the colors are gorgeous & they stand out on D. Tanks for the heads up, maybe I need to go out there tonight & look at RON's.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:28 pm

No progress on making PHL, BWI or IAD year round. The less than seasonal PDX-PHL and PDX-BWI nonstops have ended without AS, AA or WN announcing that the routes will go year round. Meanwhile, UA’s PDX-IAD will still not be year round in 2020, leaving AS PDX-DCA as the sole nonstop to the DC metro in January and February.


DL PDX-LHR carried 12,488 pax in July, ~90% LF. The daily route topped BWI, BNA and SJC in total passengers carried and almost tied Delta’s SLC hub, which had 12,884.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:55 am

jbpdx wrote:
No progress on making PHL, BWI or IAD year round. The less than seasonal PDX-PHL and PDX-BWI nonstops have ended without AS, AA or WN announcing that the routes will go year round. Meanwhile, UA’s PDX-IAD will still not be year round in 2020, leaving AS PDX-DCA as the sole nonstop to the DC metro in January and February.


DL PDX-LHR carried 12,488 pax in July, ~90% LF. The daily route topped BWI, BNA and SJC in total passengers carried and almost tied Delta’s SLC hub, which had 12,884.


Impressive PDX-LHR numbers! Considering that PDX is largely O/D to LHR...and SLC is all about connections from the inter-mountain west to DL flights in/out of SLC. Hopefully those numbers will prompt this flight to go year-round by DL.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:53 am

jbpdx wrote:
No progress on making PHL, BWI or IAD year round. The less than seasonal PDX-PHL and PDX-BWI nonstops have ended without AS, AA or WN announcing that the routes will go year round. Meanwhile, UA’s PDX-IAD will still not be year round in 2020, leaving AS PDX-DCA as the sole nonstop to the DC metro in January and February.


DL PDX-LHR carried 12,488 pax in July, ~90% LF. The daily route topped BWI, BNA and SJC in total passengers carried and almost tied Delta’s SLC hub, which had 12,884.


Phenomenal figures, thank you for always taking he time to provide us with the latest stats & explain it a bit, that input is fully appreciated. In a short few years DL has proven that 90% lf is achievable in July, but what are those numbers going to be on February?

I honestly feel DL has a real shot of capturing this market year round, but for it to be a reliable business connection it must operate at least 4-5 x weekly in the low season. I do not know any percentages, but I do know that the AMS flight has many LHR bag tags daily, as it's as easy as any connection or way better. I feel DL would struggle to fill both flights enough to warrant two TATL low season wide bodies daily.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:02 pm

PDX Portland International Airport
July 2019

(comp. to July 2018)

1,982,480 passengers (-2.9%)
Year-to-date: 11,386,986 passengers (0%)

Domestic: -2.7%
International: -7.4%

[International decline attributable to Aeromexico pullout.]

Condor. +28.4%
Icelandair. +2.2%
Delta. +7.9%
Volaris. +25%
Sun Country. +121.5%
Air Canada. +34%
Hawaiian. +5.7%
SkyWest. +6.9%
Compass. +166.6%

JetBlue. -16.4%
(302 flights, down from 364)
Southwest. -7.7%
(2,598 flights, down from 2,850)
Frontier. -34.5%
(106 flights, down from 146)


Alaska. -6.3%
Horizon. -4.6%
American. -17.3%
United. -4.4%
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:28 pm

Thanks for posting, that's very interesting stuff.

Because I happened to be looking at the July EUG numbers before coming over here I will post a summary of those as well:

Total pax July 2019 (July 2018)
AS 22913 (27528) -16.76%
G4 16598 (15494) +7.13%
AA 11195 (11858) -5.56%
DL 18769 (17503) +7.23%
UA 46699 (35682) +30.88% <--!
Total 119149 (110796) +7.54%
(incl. charter & non-revenue)

Load factors July 2019 (July 2018)
AS 72.83% (75.25%)
G4 87.76% (89.20%)
AA 95.88% (99.75%)
DL 82.80% (77.64%)
UA 85.42% (86.49%)
Total 83.45% (83.42%)

Market share July 2019
AS 19.95%
G4 14.25%
AA 9.72%
DL 16.05%
UA 40.03%

The YTD numbers are still down a little vs. this point last year but by an ever-shrinking amount. I expect that's due to the huge weather issues we had in February/March.

Also note that UA has crept above 40% market share and AS below 20% for, I think, the first time in a very long time (maybe ever?). DL is gunning for second... AS is really rolling over and taking it on both fronts. If they couldn't make that SJC flight work competing against UA mainline to SFO, they have only themselves to blame.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:21 pm

metaldirtnskin wrote:
Thanks for posting, that's very interesting stuff.
Because I happened to be looking at the July EUG numbers before coming over here I will post a summary of those as well:
Also note that UA has crept above 40% market share and AS below 20% for, I think, the first time in a very long time (maybe ever?). DL is gunning for second... AS is really rolling over and taking it on both fronts. If they couldn't make that SJC flight work competing against UA mainline to SFO, they have only themselves to blame.


Not sure about Eugene but AS needs to focus more on their No.2 hub and fill some of the major unserved routes from PDX.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:02 am

jbpdx wrote:
metaldirtnskin wrote:
Thanks for posting, that's very interesting stuff.
Because I happened to be looking at the July EUG numbers before coming over here I will post a summary of those as well:
Also note that UA has crept above 40% market share and AS below 20% for, I think, the first time in a very long time (maybe ever?). DL is gunning for second... AS is really rolling over and taking it on both fronts. If they couldn't make that SJC flight work competing against UA mainline to SFO, they have only themselves to blame.


Not sure about Eugene but AS needs to focus more on their No.2 hub and fill some of the major unserved routes from PDX.


Thanks for the update Jbpdx!! I couldn't agree with you more about Alaska needing to focus more on its Portland hub, but when I express the same sentiments on this site I end up getting slaughtered....... :roll:
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:37 am

lhpdx wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Not sure about Eugene but AS needs to focus more on their No.2 hub and fill some of the major unserved routes from PDX.


Thanks for the update Jbpdx!! I couldn't agree with you more about Alaska needing to focus more on its Portland hub, but when I express the same sentiments on this site I end up getting slaughtered....... :roll:


I apologize profusely for the distraction. Carry on.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:51 am

With UA a shell of its former self at PDX, it's nice to see them stepping in so much in secondary OR markets. I was browsing a EUG timetable the other day and was surprised to see how much mainline goes that way.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:37 pm

OAG for 9/1: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430469

4B PDT-PDX DEC 3>4[3]

AA ORD-PDX DEC 2>1.2[1.7]
AA PDX-PHL JUN 0>0.9[0.8]
AA PDX-PHX NOV 4>3[4]

AS LAX-RDM JAN 0>0.8[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AS PDX-SJC NOV 6>7[5] DEC 6>7[5]
AS PDX-TUS NOV 0.7>1.5[0.7] DEC 0.8>1.8[0.9]
AS RDM-SAN JAN 0>0.8[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AS RDM-SFO MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]

UA DEN-MFR FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[2] APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3]
UA IAD-PDX FEB 0.6>0[0]
UA PDX-SFO FEB 8>7[7]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:46 pm

Delta has deals to London in mid-October. I couldn’t resist and am heading over for a quick trip.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:55 am

PDX757 wrote:
With UA a shell of its former self at PDX, it's nice to see them stepping in so much in secondary OR markets. I was browsing a EUG timetable the other day and was surprised to see how much mainline goes that way.


Agreed. Mainline to MFR and EUG, and with the newer ORD-EUG/RDM service, they continue to expand where AS retreats. However, the new AS adds at RDM shows solid interest. RDM is the new darling, and has been growing exponentially the last two years as their economy is booming. Hopefully the people in Redmond/Bend give them another shot, as AS is kinda late to the party in EUG/MFR/RDM.

Surprised DL seems to be getting people in the seats that are willing to backtrack from EUG/RDM/MFR, and connect in SEA, where AS numbers decline or flatline.

OTH, on the other hand, has remained stagnant, as UA is their only suitor.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:19 am

Interesting. BA at PDX has been a no brainer for years.
Perfect 788 market.

That said, BA would be target not just O&D but a lot of connections.

Delta goes after O&D almost completely.
So even though the roles here are normally reversed....I could see a strange world where both flights co-exist.

Assuming Delta has premium cabins filled up with corporate contracts to AMS/HND/LHR and BA would only offer LHR. I could see delta being ok.

Also, having flown both lie flat products, my money will continue to go to Delta.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:10 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
Interesting. BA at PDX has been a no brainer for years.
Perfect 788 market.

That said, BA would be target not just O&D but a lot of connections.

Delta goes after O&D almost completely.
So even though the roles here are normally reversed....I could see a strange world where both flights co-exist.

Assuming Delta has premium cabins filled up with corporate contracts to AMS/HND/LHR and BA would only offer LHR. I could see delta being ok.

Also, having flown both lie flat products, my money will continue to go to Delta.


Could work. There are enough Delta loyalists in Portland where it very well might work. My only concern would be how it impacts Icelandair, but that’s more for selfish personal reasons.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:17 pm

Hawaiian has ~$550 each way Portland-Auckland in mid-Oct, connect in HNL.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:24 am

I keep thinking AS could route more traffic through PDX that doesn’t need to waste seats out of SEA

While a hub benefits from critical mass... if AS connection Medford-Portland-London instead of via Seattle. That frees up seats and assets for Medford-Seattle-kelowna or whatever doesn’t have a nonstop from Portland.


Here is hoping delta goes year round, 3-4x weekly in winter to LHR. I think both carriers can win here.

It’s like PDX-JFK. Plenty of traffic to support multiple carriers. More capacity means more fly non stop vs connect

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