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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:56 pm

What is the source of this Tuesday announcement? If one is coming, it could likely be Zipair PDX-NRT based on that Japanese article in November. And from the other article about the lack of slots at ICN, PDX-ICN looks unlikely. Wouldn’t this Zipair addition provide not only a LCC option (JAL’s) to Tokyo but the connecting point to Asia that Delta’s new PDX-HND flight won’t?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:24 pm

Would be interesting to know the source - keeping my hopes up for a BA service to LHR, though similarly to PIT and CHS, I would guess frequency may be in the range of 2-4 flights a week?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:26 pm

Check enilria's OAG guide post on Sunday to see if it's in there.

My best guess would be seasonal PDX-LHR on BA to match DL.

I think both airlines could work on that route, but it would probably hasten the end of Icelandair's operation in PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 pm

ANA787 wrote:
bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


My prediction, one of the following:
1. BA to LHR
2. JAL to NRT
3. DL to CDG and ICN
4. ANA to NRT
5. KE to ICN
6. AM returning to PDX-MEX


I would even throw EI summer seasonal in the mix of summer possibilities out of PDX..........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:14 pm

UKPDX wrote:
Would be interesting to know the source - keeping my hopes up for a BA service to LHR, though similarly to PIT and CHS, I would guess frequency may be in the range of 2-4 flights a week?


I would love to comment, I also have my speculation on the announcement. However, a couple months ago I posted my speculation based on some information, I clearly gave an admonishment that I could not verify the information. Apparently the information of new possible international service irked some people. I was put on notice by Anet and told Anet was served a cease and desist order in regards to the postings. All the post were removed.

I do not know who posted the Tuesday announcement, but I suspect they are accurate. I believe an announcement of some sort of new service beyond the borders will be done before the new year. I cannot say this is a for sure thing, just a guess.

Europe is the most desired and needed destination for PDX International destinations.

PS, thank you to a few of you that messaged me in support.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:40 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Check enilria's OAG guide post on Sunday to see if it's in there.

My best guess would be seasonal PDX-LHR on BA to match DL.

I think both airlines could work on that route, but it would probably hasten the end of Icelandair's operation in PDX.


That would be a pity. As huge fan of Icelandair, and wisher of BA service to LHR, that would be pretty disappointing, although I really think both could coincide. Fi just needs to start marketing a bit more in Portland again like they were a few years ago. PDX is still a new market for them and I feel like they need to keep working at maturing it.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:08 am

PDXPOL wrote:
UKPDX wrote:
Would be interesting to know the source - keeping my hopes up for a BA service to LHR, though similarly to PIT and CHS, I would guess frequency may be in the range of 2-4 flights a week?


I would love to comment, I also have my speculation on the announcement. However, a couple months ago I posted my speculation based on some information, I clearly gave an admonishment that I could not verify the information. Apparently the information of new possible international service irked some people. I was put on notice by Anet and told Anet was served a cease and desist order in regards to the postings. All the post were removed.

I do not know who posted the Tuesday announcement, but I suspect they are accurate. I believe an announcement of some sort of new service beyond the borders will be done before the new year. I cannot say this is a for sure thing, just a guess.

Europe is the most desired and needed destination for PDX International destinations.

PS, thank you to a few of you that messaged me in support.


We got you PDXPOL, UKPDX joined our ranks just about the time that all jumped off, I & a few others noticed that & had wondered if we got a BA insider knowingly watching our thread for any spilled tea. :wave:
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:37 pm

Not guilty! I’ve been following Airliners.net for a long time; though I am usually over on Flyertalk. I am a British ex-pat and fly SEA-LHR on BA quite regularly and so have an inherent interest in seeing BA starting service from PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:41 pm

UKPDX wrote:
Not guilty! I’ve been following Airliners.net for a long time; though I am usually over on Flyertalk. I am a British ex-pat and fly SEA-LHR on BA quite regularly and so have an inherent interest in seeing BA starting service from PDX.


Welcome to the midst, we welcome all our AV geek buddies ... It's been good to enjoy the speculation & have others waiting for the BA announcement upcoming. IB just announced S20 routes yesterday.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:43 pm

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spilled tea

:D
Pun intended?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:40 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
spilled tea

:D
Pun intended?


Quite! Thanks for noticing, I love to pepper my writings with little gems to find when it's possible & appropriate. That was quite off the top of my head, I was a bit proud of it coming to me so fast.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:55 pm

RWA380 wrote:
I & a few others noticed that & had wondered if we got a BA insider knowingly watching our thread for any spilled tea. :wave:

However, old chapie, 'int the word "spilt"? Shame on you for using the Yank's term!

In any case B, it does sound like some exciting news might be coming to PDX next week. I'll be paying attention and rooting y'all on!

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:27 pm

While I’m excited at the prospect of BA launching LHR service from PDX, I do fear that it will spell the end of DL’s seasonal PDX-LHR flight. I just don’t see how they'll be able to compete with BA with such limited feed on either end. I also have my doubts about how successful PDX-HND will be when it launches next spring for the same reasons. I know PDX to TYO has a decent amount of O&D but I have a hard time believing this route can stand on O&D alone. I predict DL will pull out of PDX-HND/LHR and KE will launch ICN in the next couple of years.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:29 pm

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While I’m excited at the prospect of BA launching LHR service from PDX, I do fear that it will spell the end of DL’s seasonal PDX-LHR flight. I just don’t see how they'll be able to compete with BA with such limited feed on either end. I also have my doubts about how successful PDX-HND will be when it launches next spring for the same reasons. I know PDX to TYO has a decent amount of O&D but I have a hard time believing this route can stand on O&D alone. I predict DL will pull out of PDX-HND/LHR and KE will launch ICN in the next couple of years.

I agree that DL and BA won't be able coexist on PDX-LHR. I could easily see DL switching this flight to start PDX-CDG instead.
JAL will likely pick up PDX-NRT and I could also see KE launching PDX-ICN.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:04 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
While I’m excited at the prospect of BA launching LHR service from PDX, I do fear that it will spell the end of DL’s seasonal PDX-LHR flight. I just don’t see how they'll be able to compete with BA with such limited feed on either end. I also have my doubts about how successful PDX-HND will be when it launches next spring for the same reasons. I know PDX to TYO has a decent amount of O&D but I have a hard time believing this route can stand on O&D alone. I predict DL will pull out of PDX-HND/LHR and KE will launch ICN in the next couple of years.


Just my :twocents: but I think DL will be fine on the PDX-HND route, they added LAS-PDX for connections, so they seem to be doing what they can to make sure the flight is successful.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:52 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
While I’m excited at the prospect of BA launching LHR service from PDX, I do fear that it will spell the end of DL’s seasonal PDX-LHR flight. I just don’t see how they'll be able to compete with BA with such limited feed on either end. I also have my doubts about how successful PDX-HND will be when it launches next spring for the same reasons. I know PDX to TYO has a decent amount of O&D but I have a hard time believing this route can stand on O&D alone. I predict DL will pull out of PDX-HND/LHR and KE will launch ICN in the next couple of years.


Just my :twocents: but I think DL will be fine on the PDX-HND route, they added LAS-PDX for connections, so they seem to be doing what they can to make sure the flight is successful.


I sure hope you’re right. I just don’t see how a couple of E-175’s to LAS are going to hold up that flight. DL has no problems axing unprofitable routes. Personally , I wouldn’t be surprised to see PDX-HND dropped down to seasonal after the summer season, if not dropped altogether.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:14 pm

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While I’m excited at the prospect of BA launching LHR service from PDX, I do fear that it will spell the end of DL’s seasonal PDX-LHR flight. I just don’t see how they'll be able to compete with BA with such limited feed on either end. I also have my doubts about how successful PDX-HND will be when it launches next spring for the same reasons. I know PDX to TYO has a decent amount of O&D but I have a hard time believing this route can stand on O&D alone. I predict DL will pull out of PDX-HND/LHR and KE will launch ICN in the next couple of years.


Nah, I think DL will capture the lions share of PDX origin traffic to LON, while BA will capture the lions share of London origin traffic. Furthermore BA will not only be flying passengers to LHR, they will be connecting a fair share of passengers to their huge network. While O/D traffic does get a premium, B A will have a competitive world class product to rival any offerings by other International carriers at PDX.

If BA goes year round & DL remains seasonal. both should work just fine. DL enjoys 95+% lf on that 767 to LHR & this coming season it'll be upgraded to the newly refurbished 4 cabin 767-400. DL would not put a premium aircraft on the route, if they did not see the reason to do it. BA will fly the 787-8 & that would be the very first scheduled 787 route to/from PDX.

As far as TYO goes, that NW then DL flight constantly holds it's own & it has done so for many, many years. There are very strong business & cultural ties to the Rose City by Japan. Our entire waterfront is planted on the westside with Cherry Blossom trees from Kyoto.

DL wanted to move the PDX flight to HND to increase the demand for it, not reduce it. There have been some connecting passengers via NRT on the limited few DL flights to SIN, MNL or even BKK. But those days were gone, even before DL moved to HND. I assure you, if DL did not run this flight JL would be on a 787-8.

When DL had their PDX Asia hub, SEL was quickly detached from NRT & given it's own flight in less than a year from the start of International services to the Far East, because of the demand. ICN would be an excellent non-stop, however it's being said that there are no available slots for this currently. KE would be a logical choice to fly ICN-PDX-ICN, but DL could just as easily run it on a A-332.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:19 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
While I’m excited at the prospect of BA launching LHR service from PDX, I do fear that it will spell the end of DL’s seasonal PDX-LHR flight. I just don’t see how they'll be able to compete with BA with such limited feed on either end. I also have my doubts about how successful PDX-HND will be when it launches next spring for the same reasons. I know PDX to TYO has a decent amount of O&D but I have a hard time believing this route can stand on O&D alone. I predict DL will pull out of PDX-HND/LHR and KE will launch ICN in the next couple of years.


Just my :twocents: but I think DL will be fine on the PDX-HND route, they added LAS-PDX for connections, so they seem to be doing what they can to make sure the flight is successful.


I wouldn’t be surprised to see PDX-HND dropped down to seasonal after the summer season, if not dropped altogether.


Why? It’s not like DL had a ton of connecting opportunities at NRT. What, SIN and MNL? DL has flown to Tokyo for years, and NW before it. Plenty of corporate contracts. Could only see the route dropped, or go seasonal, if one of the two Japanese carriers go PDX-NRT/HND.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:41 am

I appreciate everyone’s input on the viability of DL’s international routes and I’m sorry if I’ve come across as a negative Nancy. I truly hope my skepticism is misguided and every international flight PDX gets will be successful. While SEA is the economic powerhouse of the PNW, it’s bursting at the seams. It’s about time PDX gets some lovin’. Hopefully the rumored BA service is just the beginning of many great things to come.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:41 pm

My thoughts regarding the last few posts:

PDX-NRT/HND: DL understands this market very well, and has succeeded on it for a long time. There is a reason why they applied to have this slot in their HND application and won, and why NH/JL haven't started it yet. There is (incoming) feed into PDX for it, and remember that the PDX-HND flight will leave about 3 hours later than the other DL hubs, and it doesn't use the premium A350. That means that DL can route pax from the east coast, as well as cargo, into Portland a little later to make this flight. DL isn't going anywhere in the PDX-TYO market anytime soon, and with this strength, I don't see it dropping to seasonal or even being dropped, short of a major global economic slowdown. Also, in their DOT application for the HND slots, DL committed to operating year-round service using the A332, so it would have to either be maintained or dropped entirely, heaven forbid.

PDX-LHR/Europe: Assuming it is the BA announcement, I think BA and DL will coexist quite well on it, due to the strong DL customer base in PDX, and those AS customers that want to keep their miles in OneWorld and not have to transfer through SEA. Like with Tokyo, DL knows this LHR market well and has done their homework on it. They've upguaged the aircraft and will be daily during the season for the 2nd year in a row, and the season starts 3 weeks earlier than last year. My thought is that BA will also do daily seasonal to match DL with the 788. It then becomes a game of "chicken" between them to see which carrier goes daily year-round. If BA were to announce daily year round out of the gate, then expect DL to quickly announce the same.

For DL at PDX, the focus will be to concentrate on continuing to develop and strengthen HND, AMS, and LHR. I just can't see them adding ICN and especially CDG anytime soon. From another thread, slots at ICN are maxed out during peak hours, so unless another KE flight were moved to accommodate PDX, I'm not holding my breath. Also, it sounds like SLC would get the ICN flight first next year to coincide with the opening of the "new" SLC concourses and terminals, again reading from another thread on a-net.

If I'm Condor (DE) or Icelandair in PDX market, I'd be really worried on Tuesday if it is BA. Jury is still out on the future of Condor, and Icelandair appears to have the the most to lose.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:31 pm

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The Cargo Rush has ramped up again, here's today's arrivals:

1:31am UPS958 MHR B752
3:01am UPS966 ONT B752
3:20am MGE998 ONT B752 (Asia Pacific Airlines, Cargo Charter)
4:02am FDX1857 OAK MD-11
4:43am UPS978 SDF MD-11
4:46am UPS972 ONT MD-11
5:03am FDX1185 AFW B752
5:15am UPS970 RFD B752
5:48am FDX1415 MEM MD-11
5:57am UPS974 SDF B763
6:08am FDX2779 IND A306
9:33am ABX904 SEA B762
9:59am UPS2875 PHX B752
11:13am UPS2473 MDT B752
11:15am SOO3603 RFD B738
11:30am UPS2040 RFD A306
12:06pm SOO3609 IAH B738
12:16pm GTI3524 BWI B763
1:10pm MGE2490 ONT B752
1:58pm UPS2902 SDF B763
3:34pm UPS2408 BFI B763
3:45pm UPS2474 CAE B752
4:12pm FDX781 MEM B763
4:23pm UPS2972 ONT MD-11
4:29pm UPS2472 SDF MD-11
4:31pm UPS2992 RFD B752
4:49pm UPS2976 SDF B763
5:05pm GTI3015 CVG B763
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Enroute/Scheduled
5:24pm FDX3034 EWR MD-11
5:36pm UPS2974 SDF MD-11
5:42pm FDX582 MEM MD-11
6:12pm FDX3704 IND MD-11
6:41pm UPS2986 BFI B763
7:54pm UPS2978 DFW A306
8:17pm GTI2448 SDF *B744*
9:01pm UPS957 BFI B752


I share your enthusiasm as well regarding the cargo traffic that is seemingly ever increasing at PDX. Some interesting observations I've made of late...Atlas Air has been running a Boeing 747 from Louisville, KY (SDF) to PDX on what appears to be a daily flight, usually arriving late evening and departing early morning back to SDF. Asia Pacific has been operating a B757 cargo flight from PDX to ONT (kind of a unique freight operator that normally one may only see in and out of HNL...as it appears they do most of their business in the South Pacific region).

Amazon (Prime Air) has increased flights with not only the B767 runs from/to Baltimore (BWI), Ontario (ONT), Phoenix (PHX), Cincinnati (CVG) and Hartford (BDL) but now also operating B737 freighters to/from Tampa (TPA), Houston Intercontinental (IAH) and Chicago Rockford (RFD). The FedEx PDX to Medford run has been operating lately with the larger ATR 72 model (typically done with the ATR 42). Ameriflight has brought in more Beech 1900 C models and operate them throughout the region. The most interesting development that I have noted is the presence now of cargo traffic in and out of Portland Hillsboro Airport (HIO). For awhile now Ameriflight has been operating a Beech 1900 C model on a Redmond (RDM) to Hillsboro (HIO) to Portland International (PDX) routing. Occasionally I've also seen an Ameriflight routing from North Bend/Coos Bay (OTH) to Hillsboro then on to PDX. Over the past week or so Berry Aviation http://www.berryaviation.com/on-demand-cargo/ has been running an Embraer 120 from Hillsboro to Long Beach (LGB) and also Hayward, California (HWD), (BYA931). I'm wondering if the presence of cargo traffic in and out of Hillsboro has any correlation with the newly established Amazon facility located in Hillsboro?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:49 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
My thoughts regarding the last few posts:

PDX-NRT/HND: DL understands this market very well, and has succeeded on it for a long time. There is a reason why they applied to have this slot in their HND application and won, and why NH/JL haven't started it yet. There is (incoming) feed into PDX for it, and remember that the PDX-HND flight will leave about 3 hours later than the other DL hubs, and it doesn't use the premium A350. That means that DL can route pax from the east coast, as well as cargo, into Portland a little later to make this flight. DL isn't going anywhere in the PDX-TYO market anytime soon, and with this strength, I don't see it dropping to seasonal or even being dropped, short of a major global economic slowdown. Also, in their DOT application for the HND slots, DL committed to operating year-round service using the A332, so it would have to either be maintained or dropped entirely, heaven forbid.

PDX-LHR/Europe: Assuming it is the BA announcement, I think BA and DL will coexist quite well on it, due to the strong DL customer base in PDX, and those AS customers that want to keep their miles in OneWorld and not have to transfer through SEA. Like with Tokyo, DL knows this LHR market well and has done their homework on it. They've upguaged the aircraft and will be daily during the season for the 2nd year in a row, and the season starts 3 weeks earlier than last year. My thought is that BA will also do daily seasonal to match DL with the 788. It then becomes a game of "chicken" between them to see which carrier goes daily year-round. If BA were to announce daily year round out of the gate, then expect DL to quickly announce the same.

For DL at PDX, the focus will be to concentrate on continuing to develop and strengthen HND, AMS, and LHR. I just can't see them adding ICN and especially CDG anytime soon. From another thread, slots at ICN are maxed out during peak hours, so unless another KE flight were moved to accommodate PDX, I'm not holding my breath. Also, it sounds like SLC would get the ICN flight first next year to coincide with the opening of the "new" SLC concourses and terminals, again reading from another thread on a-net.

If I'm Condor (DE) or Icelandair in PDX market, I'd be really worried on Tuesday if it is BA. Jury is still out on the future of Condor, and Icelandair appears to have the the most to lose.


Adding some thoughts around this also... if it is indeed BA, it should be quite interesting and exciting at the same time. I don't think Delta is going anywhere by any means, these airlines do quite a bit of research to determine the profitability and demand for such routes. I say interesting, because now we would have two airlines on the same route to Europe and I don't recall us having two airlines on the same route ever to Europe (please correct me if I am wrong) or even two daily to any one European destination. Also, it'll be interesting to see who in the PDX will prefer and utilize what airline for their travel to London/Europe.

I say exciting because I think this will bring some noise into the city if this does get announced. I could see a lot of advertisement and media push to get this route out to the travelers. Which I think will demand the other airlines to do the same, by marketing their routes also. The uptick in advertisement I think will also get more people excited to travel and bring some competition for best price to London. Can't wait to hear what this announcement will be.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:15 am

Sun Country’s last PDX-BNA nonstop of the year was today. It resumes 14 May. Southwest’s Saturday-only nonstop will operate from 13 June and likely only through 8 August.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:29 am

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Sun Country’s last PDX-BNA nonstop of the year was today. It resumes 14 May. Southwest’s Saturday-only nonstop will operate from 13 June and likely only through 8 August.


Any word on if Sun Country will bring back PDX-SAT next summer? It doesn’t appear to be bookable.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:15 pm

Looks like Southwest has quietly cut back PDX-MCI to summer only. Alaska’s lone E175 doesn’t operate January—March. They’ve also cut PDX-BWI from daily summer in 2018 to Sat-Sun in summer 2019 to Sat-only next summer.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:43 pm

More fuel to the BA to announce PDX-LHR tomorrow fire via civil aviation journalist Danny Lee of Hong Kong's South China Morning Post

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 6349077505
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:45 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Looks like Southwest has quietly cut back PDX-MCI to summer only. Alaska’s lone E175 doesn’t operate January—March. They’ve also cut PDX-BWI from daily summer in 2018 to Sat-Sun in summer 2019 to Sat-only next summer.


WN was originally planning on operating PDX-MCI nonstop service during the holidays this year, but dropped the PDX-MCI holiday nonstops from its December 2019 flight schedule due to the 737 MAX grounding.

WN had reduced PDX-MCI nonstop service from year-round to seasonal starting in March 2019, and the reduction of PDX-MCI to seasonal nonstop service was made back in Fall 2018 prior to the 737 MAX grounding.

WN was operating PDX-MCI nonstop service in September and October 2019, but temporarily ended PDX-MCI nonstop service last month. WN will be resuming PDX-MCI seasonal nonstop service starting on June 7, 2020.

I think that WN will probably continue PDX-MCI nonstop service past August 10, 2020 as its current flight schedule has only been extended through August 10, 2020 and as WN was still operating MCI-PDX nonstop service past August this year.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:00 pm

bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


It’s 9pm in London, 1pm in Portland. (6am in Tokyo.) Not even a tease from twitter/flypdx
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:00 pm

Did the announcement get cancelled?
 
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Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:04 pm

jbpdx wrote:
bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


It’s 9pm in London, 1pm in Portland. (6am in Tokyo.) Not even a tease from twitter/flypdx


Nothing on BA facebook either, no teases just nada. While I will still remain confident BA will find themselves flying to the Rose City, it may not be announced this day. It would need to happen by 3 pm to make the 4 pm news. Even the PoP website has zero info on a news conference or any media event today.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:38 pm

RWA380 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


It’s 9pm in London, 1pm in Portland. (6am in Tokyo.) Not even a tease from twitter/flypdx


Nothing on BA facebook either, no teases just nada. While I will still remain confident BA will find themselves flying to the Rose City, it may not be announced this day. It would need to happen by 3 pm to make the 4 pm news. Even the PoP website has zero info on a news conference or any media event today.


Today was quite the letdown..Well, on some positive news all of the 7 jetways have been installed for the CC-E extension...........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:09 pm

lhpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

It’s 9pm in London, 1pm in Portland. (6am in Tokyo.) Not even a tease from twitter/flypdx


Nothing on BA facebook either, no teases just nada. While I will still remain confident BA will find themselves flying to the Rose City, it may not be announced this day. It would need to happen by 3 pm to make the 4 pm news. Even the PoP website has zero info on a news conference or any media event today.


Today was quite the letdown..Well, on some positive news all of the 7 jetways have been installed for the CC-E extension...........


Nice! Did you drive by it today?
 
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Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:20 pm

Welp looks like another false alarm re: BA announcing PDX. How did that rumor get started anyways?
 
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Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:36 pm

kunta67 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Nothing on BA facebook either, no teases just nada. While I will still remain confident BA will find themselves flying to the Rose City, it may not be announced this day. It would need to happen by 3 pm to make the 4 pm news. Even the PoP website has zero info on a news conference or any media event today.


Today was quite the letdown..Well, on some positive news all of the 7 jetways have been installed for the CC-E extension...........


Nice! Did you drive by it today?



I caught a glance of it on my way home from work via Marine Drive today.....................
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:38 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
Welp looks like another false alarm re: BA announcing PDX. How did that rumor get started anyways?


Bobbaker19 started this rumor 4 days ago.............
 
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Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:50 pm

UKPDX wrote:
Would be interesting to know the source - keeping my hopes up for a BA service to LHR.....

Feeling a little disappointed and it would have been nice to hear something substantive today.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:20 am

UKPDX wrote:
UKPDX wrote:
Would be interesting to know the source - keeping my hopes up for a BA service to LHR.....

Feeling a little disappointed and it would have been nice to hear something substantive today.


Fully agree, looks like the gun has been jumped. By how long remains to be seen, a day, week, or years. IMHO, this is going to happen, just depends on when the Queen allows it, :rotfl:

BA has not announced any S20 routes as of yet, indeed it's late for them based upon past announcements, but IB just announced routes less than a week ago. But if not announced soon S20 is off the table.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:03 am

RWA380 wrote:
UKPDX wrote:
UKPDX wrote:
Would be interesting to know the source - keeping my hopes up for a BA service to LHR.....

Feeling a little disappointed and it would have been nice to hear something substantive today.


Fully agree, looks like the gun has been jumped. By how long remains to be seen, a day, week, or years. IMHO, this is going to happen, just depends on when the Queen allows it, :rotfl:

BA has not announced any S20 routes as of yet, indeed it's late for them based upon past announcements, but IB just announced routes less than a week ago. But if not announced soon S20 is off the table.


It seems the most accurate indicator of new or discontinued service comes from the OAG weekly update that enilria posts. About a month or so ago, I saw in there that LAX-PSC was being cut, before the official announcement. Sure enough, a few days later the Port of Pasco confirmed it on their FB page. Similar for PSC-ORD on UA...saw it first, thanks to enilria's thread that week.

Personally, I'm growing tired of these rumors, like the one posted a few days ago. We don't know the background of the poster, or how reliable their information is or isn't. Does he/she work for the port? Or do they grill burgers in the E concourse and overhead a customer stating what they heard? Ugh.

BA wouldn't need as much lead time to start selling tickets for S20 due to name recognition (compared to say Condor or Icelandair) so S20 could still happen, I guess. But if it doesn't, then we just might see DL go year round in order to keep out a big rival.

I heard a rumor that Santa was coming to town...big announcement tomorrow........
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:11 am

lhpdx wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Welp looks like another false alarm re: BA announcing PDX. How did that rumor get started anyways?


Bobbaker19 started this rumor 4 days ago.............


Beyond ridiculous. ZERO credibility. Few months ago, there were another one or two that posted this drivel. To actually state a date of an announcement? Really? They probably post garbage of other starts on other boards just for their own twisted enjoyment. Mods need to catch up with them.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:14 am

bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.

Crickets. Thanks.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:38 am

bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


Which Tuesday? You need to include the date and where you found the info. Lots of us were waiting
for this announcement on Tuesday 12/17. Maybe it'll be Wednesday 12/18? Maybe never? Please
be more accurate next time. Thanks.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:39 am

pdx wrote:
bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


Which Tuesday? You need to include the date and where you found the info. Lots of us were waiting
for this announcement on Tuesday 12/17. Maybe it'll be Wednesday 12/18? Maybe never? Please
be more accurate next time. Thanks.


Or maybe it was a random person stirring a random rumor?

When someone says "coming on Tuesday", I'd assume everyone would think it means "this coming Tuesday"?
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:33 am

Ishrion wrote:
pdx wrote:
bobbaker19 wrote:
Big PDX announcement coming on Tuesday. Think international.


Which Tuesday? You need to include the date and where you found the info. Lots of us were waiting
for this announcement on Tuesday 12/17. Maybe it'll be Wednesday 12/18? Maybe never? Please
be more accurate next time. Thanks.


Or maybe it was a random person stirring a random rumor?

When someone says "coming on Tuesday", I'd assume everyone would think it means "this coming Tuesday"?


Well we all look like a bunch of clowns for taking the bait. But at least we already have a nonstop flight to London which is more than many mid sized US cities can say. And hopefully 2020 will be the year DL makes the route year round. Here's to hoping...
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:15 pm

Ishrion wrote:


After yesterday, this is fantastic news!
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:19 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Welp looks like another false alarm re: BA announcing PDX. How did that rumor get started anyways?


Bobbaker19 started this rumor 4 days ago.............


Beyond ridiculous. ZERO credibility. Few months ago, there were another one or two that posted this drivel. To actually state a date of an announcement? Really? They probably post garbage of other starts on other boards just for their own twisted enjoyment. Mods need to catch up with them.


Care to change your mind now?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:23 pm

Ishrion wrote:


This is awesome news for Portland!

Curious how Delta responds to this news. ;)
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:40 pm

Ishrion wrote:


Very exciting and long overdue IMO!

A few have jumped on PDXPOL for giving “false” information and spreading unwarranted rumors. While there are a lot of rumors on this forum in general, historically, this poster has been as reliable as they can be. A while ago, rumors were posted and quickly taken down...obviously there was some juice to them.

There are also a lot of posts by some that just come across as complaining almost every single post about how Alaska doesn’t care about Portland, or how last month was another negative month and airlines don’t care about Portland anymore. Instead of the negativity, be grateful for what has occurred the last 5 years. 10 years ago after Lufthansa left would you have realistically thought that Portland would have 5 international carriers, now 6 with BA flying to Portland? I dreamt of it and thought it could happen, but not to the level that it’s at. PDX is an airport fighting against a much larger more dominant Seattle, it has a loyal carrier in Alaska who has claimed Portland as a hub, Delta who has grown been loyal to Portland internationally, and all of the international carriers adding Portland to their map. Sure, maybe numbers declined a bit the last few months, but the doom and gloom posts are getting old. There’s a lot of airports in great cities (SLC, IND, STL, etc) who haven’t had an exciting announcement in a long time. We’ve been given quite a few.

Portland is a steadily growing city and airport, and I feel like many here won’t be happy until it’s bursting at the seams. I, on the other hand, would prefer more sustainable growth long term, rather than short term, short lasting adds just to make me feel fuzzy inside.

I’m thrilled at this announcement and look forward to that 787 flying in!
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:44 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
Ishrion wrote:


This is awesome news for Portland!

Curious how Delta responds to this news. ;)


it's not like DL has additional slots they can add flight with. There is nothing DL can do out of PDX to respond to this.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:51 pm

Awesome news, congrats to PDX! I can recall the elation from last year when PIT (my home base) received similar news. Sadly, we lost our CDG service on DL as a result, but hopefully they won't give up on any flights just yet.

Now if only we can get that PIT-PDX nonstop...

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