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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:02 pm
by stl07
jbpdx wrote:
I’m happy to say that beginning in December my new home airport will be PVR. I don’t care who flies there, when, how and why. Although I’ll be living in Puerto Vallarta, I’ll still be advocating for PDX and for improved air service for everyone here.

Exciting! What made you choose PVR rather than the more affordable/"local" towns like La Paz? Should be a lot of fun when Finnair and other holiday flights come in.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:38 pm
by RWA380
AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Hey Everyone, As many of you know I have been compiling lists of Oregon Air Service, I've posted it here before. What I have realized is that I have been unable to uncover any data on Advantage Air, from what I have heard, they were based at PDX & flew a small fleet of Metroliners. I am looking for their IATA code & of course, routes known to have been flown. I've heard MFR & EUG so far.

If anyone here has solid info on any of their operations, please let me know, I have been updating it & adding all the new routes SY has started over the past 2 years, incl MCO & knew I needed to research Advantage, thanks as always.


I know it was short lived, but I assume you got SY - RNO as well.

Little late, but OAG for 5/29: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423377

DL AMS-PDX JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
SY HNL-PDX DEC 0.3>0.8[0.6] JAN 0>0.5[0.6] FEB 0>0.4[0.6]
SY MSP-PDX DEC 0.4>0.9[0.6] JAN 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.3]
SY PDX-SFO JAN 0>0.6[0.3] FEB 0>0.6[0.3]
UA DEN-PDX JAN 5>4[4]
UA LAX-MFR JAN 3>2[2]
UA ORD-PDX JAN 4>3[2]


I meant to reply to you on this & forgot to ask, did SY actually fly to RNO from PDX? The way I remember was that SY pulled the route before it took off & replaced it with SFO.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:01 pm
by AS737MAX
RWA380 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Hey Everyone, As many of you know I have been compiling lists of Oregon Air Service, I've posted it here before. What I have realized is that I have been unable to uncover any data on Advantage Air, from what I have heard, they were based at PDX & flew a small fleet of Metroliners. I am looking for their IATA code & of course, routes known to have been flown. I've heard MFR & EUG so far.

If anyone here has solid info on any of their operations, please let me know, I have been updating it & adding all the new routes SY has started over the past 2 years, incl MCO & knew I needed to research Advantage, thanks as always.


I know it was short lived, but I assume you got SY - RNO as well.

Little late, but OAG for 5/29: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423377

DL AMS-PDX JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
SY HNL-PDX DEC 0.3>0.8[0.6] JAN 0>0.5[0.6] FEB 0>0.4[0.6]
SY MSP-PDX DEC 0.4>0.9[0.6] JAN 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.3]
SY PDX-SFO JAN 0>0.6[0.3] FEB 0>0.6[0.3]
UA DEN-PDX JAN 5>4[4]
UA LAX-MFR JAN 3>2[2]
UA ORD-PDX JAN 4>3[2]


I meant to reply to you on this & forgot to ask, did SY actually fly to RNO from PDX? The way I remember was that SY pulled the route before it took off & replaced it with SFO.


Your memory is better than mine - it was dropped before route start!

Announcement of service: https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Sun ... 16501.html (June 27, 2018)

Announcement of cancellation: https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/New ... 04821.html (Sept. 21, 2018)

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:58 am
by RWA380
AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:

I know it was short lived, but I assume you got SY - RNO as well.

Little late, but OAG for 5/29: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423377

DL AMS-PDX JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
SY HNL-PDX DEC 0.3>0.8[0.6] JAN 0>0.5[0.6] FEB 0>0.4[0.6]
SY MSP-PDX DEC 0.4>0.9[0.6] JAN 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.3]
SY PDX-SFO JAN 0>0.6[0.3] FEB 0>0.6[0.3]
UA DEN-PDX JAN 5>4[4]
UA LAX-MFR JAN 3>2[2]
UA ORD-PDX JAN 4>3[2]


I meant to reply to you on this & forgot to ask, did SY actually fly to RNO from PDX? The way I remember was that SY pulled the route before it took off & replaced it with SFO.


Your memory is better than mine - it was dropped before route start!

Announcement of service: https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Sun ... 16501.html (June 27, 2018)

Announcement of cancellation: https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/New ... 04821.html (Sept. 21, 2018)


When I did the list, I honestly debated it myself & had to refer back to A.net just weeks ago when I was refining my list even further recently. Then I remembered you had said this & had forgotten the reply. TY!

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:05 pm
by flyoregon
As reported in other threads, Allegiant is adding Redmond to LAS and IWA. With the new SY RDM-LAS routing (albeit seasonal), having 2 carriers to Las Vegas and 2 carriers to the Phoenix area (AA to PHX and G4 to IWA), we'll see how this goes. I wish Sun Country the best, but with seasonal service, not sure it will last.

And to beat a dead horse...how about Salem Allegiant?

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:25 am
by WolfPDX
Last night Air Canada Rouge started up the PDX to Toronto route. Replacing the normal 195 that Air Canada used to fly this route with.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:03 am
by ANA787
Looks like next year's DL PDX-LHR is scheduled to run with an A330-200. Nonstop daily PDX-LHR resumes May 7, 2019.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:53 am
by RWA380
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like next year's DL PDX-LHR is scheduled to run with an A330-200. Nonstop daily PDX-LHR resumes May 7, 2019.


Which explains the HND-PDX flight being on the 332, I think we were wondering how it would route out of PDX, since HND has their only DL A-332 arrival & departure to/from PDX.

DTW-LHR-PDX-HND-PDX-LHR-MSP for example

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:33 am
by flyoregon
RWA380 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like next year's DL PDX-LHR is scheduled to run with an A330-200. Nonstop daily PDX-LHR resumes May 7, 2019.


Which explains the HND-PDX flight being on the 332, I think we were wondering how it would route out of PDX, since HND has their only DL A-332 arrival & departure to/from PDX.

DTW-LHR-PDX-HND-PDX-LHR-MSP for example


Wouldn’t this mean LHR needs to go year-round daily?

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:00 am
by RWA380
flyoregon wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like next year's DL PDX-LHR is scheduled to run with an A330-200. Nonstop daily PDX-LHR resumes May 7, 2019.


Which explains the HND-PDX flight being on the 332, I think we were wondering how it would route out of PDX, since HND has their only DL A-332 arrival & departure to/from PDX.

DTW-LHR-PDX-HND-PDX-LHR-MSP for example


Wouldn’t this mean LHR needs to go year-round daily?


Or AMS goes from the A-333 during peak season to the A-332, instead of the 763 they have used in the past during low season. Maybe LHR year round is in the works. We will find out, but this makes the most sense, instead of routing the A-332 domestically as had been suggested as a possibility. When does DL switch to HND on the PDX route, do you know exactly?

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:05 am
by jbpdx
PDX-NRT also switches to A332 on 29 March.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:29 pm
by N174UA
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like next year's DL PDX-LHR is scheduled to run with an A330-200. Nonstop daily PDX-LHR resumes May 7, 2019.


That's great news to see it back for the third straight year, this time still daily, but now with a slightly larger aircraft for next year.

DL seems to have the same strategy for PDX and SLC, that is to grow them organically, and incrementally, on the international side. PDX "won" the HND slot (pending final DOT approval) and SLC may see an ICN flight next year.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:35 pm
by N174UA
RWA380 wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Which explains the HND-PDX flight being on the 332, I think we were wondering how it would route out of PDX, since HND has their only DL A-332 arrival & departure to/from PDX.

DTW-LHR-PDX-HND-PDX-LHR-MSP for example


Wouldn’t this mean LHR needs to go year-round daily?


Or AMS goes from the A-333 during peak season to the A-332, instead of the 763 they have used in the past during low season. Maybe LHR year round is in the works. We will find out, but this makes the most sense, instead of routing the A-332 domestically as had been suggested as a possibility. When does DL switch to HND on the PDX route, do you know exactly?


Start date for PDX-HND is TBD, as it's pending final DOT approval after the preliminary award was granted. So far, no serious opposition to it from other airlines, just a few PDX-haters here on A-net. In all seriousness, assuming it's official, likely on 3/29 to coincide with the aircraft change.

I'm also interested to see what domestic feed changes DL will make to feed the HND flight. Remember, the proposed time to HND would be about 14:15, based on the DOT application, and is 2-3 hours later than the current departure time to NRT. So that will impact the routing of the A332 through PDX next year.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:19 pm
by N174UA
N174UA wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like next year's DL PDX-LHR is scheduled to run with an A330-200. Nonstop daily PDX-LHR resumes May 7, 2019.


That's great news to see it back for the third straight year, this time still seasonal and daily, but now with a slightly larger aircraft for next year.

DL seems to have the same strategy for PDX and SLC, that is to grow them organically, and incrementally, on the international side. PDX "won" the HND slot (pending final DOT approval) and SLC may see an ICN flight next year.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:25 pm
by jbpdx
WolfPDX wrote:
Last night Air Canada Rouge started up the PDX to Toronto route. Replacing the normal 195 that Air Canada used to fly this route with.


Also, Icelandair is now up to 6x/week, Condor is 5x/week to Frankfurt.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:02 pm
by kunta67
It looks like LHR will be a 764 out of PDX based off the press release about the new suite refresh for that plane.

I think they'll route the TYO plane via AMS.

East coast-AMS-PDX-TYO-PDX-AMS-East coast.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:47 pm
by SeanM1997
Delta Portland (PDX)-London Heathrow (LHR) route will go B767-400 in 2Q20 replacing the A330-200/B767-300:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 9163373568

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:58 pm
by jbpdx
kunta67 wrote:
It looks like LHR will be a 764 out of PDX based off the press release about the new suite refresh for that plane.

I think they'll route the TYO plane via AMS.

East coast-AMS-PDX-TYO-PDX-AMS-East coast.


Except PDX-HND will be A332, PDX-AMS is A333.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:07 pm
by RWA380
jbpdx wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
It looks like LHR will be a 764 out of PDX based off the press release about the new suite refresh for that plane.

I think they'll route the TYO plane via AMS.

East coast-AMS-PDX-TYO-PDX-AMS-East coast.


Except PDX-HND will be A332, PDX-AMS is A333.


Correct, took PDX-AMS in April & it had been up-gauged to the A-333 for the season at the end of March. Nice to see next year we will be getting the upgraded interior 764. How does that compare to the 332 as far as ASM's are concerned? Only a 4 seat difference in total count.

Could this mean DL is trying to make this a viable business route? If so, I'd expect a year round announcement to fulfill that requirement most corporate contracts would need from Delta, even if 5 x weekly. .

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:13 pm
by kunta67
The 332 seats are reverse herrigbone which is probably the best config out there. I wouldn't be surprised if they downguaged AMS to a 332, otherwise the plane will come from either ATL or a morning JFK flight.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:00 pm
by cschleic
flyoregon wrote:
As reported in other threads, Allegiant is adding Redmond to LAS and IWA. With the new SY RDM-LAS routing (albeit seasonal), having 2 carriers to Las Vegas and 2 carriers to the Phoenix area (AA to PHX and G4 to IWA), we'll see how this goes. I wish Sun Country the best, but with seasonal service, not sure it will last.

And to beat a dead horse...how about Salem Allegiant?


AA and G4 from RDM will be serving two entirely different market segments....AA more network connecting traffic.

Bring back DL to Salem! Actually, both already fly to Eugene which isn't too bad a drive from the Salem area compared to driving to PDX these days. But an occasional G4 to Salem probably would work.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:17 am
by flyoregon
cschleic wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
As reported in other threads, Allegiant is adding Redmond to LAS and IWA. With the new SY RDM-LAS routing (albeit seasonal), having 2 carriers to Las Vegas and 2 carriers to the Phoenix area (AA to PHX and G4 to IWA), we'll see how this goes. I wish Sun Country the best, but with seasonal service, not sure it will last.

And to beat a dead horse...how about Salem Allegiant?


AA and G4 from RDM will be serving two entirely different market segments....AA more network connecting traffic.

Bring back DL to Salem! Actually, both already fly to Eugene which isn't too bad a drive from the Salem area compared to driving to PDX these days. But an occasional G4 to Salem probably would work.


I think Delta or United would do much better than Allegiant would...I just think Allegiant would be the one to make a go of Salem much like they do in Ogden/Provo, Utah, even with proximity to SLC. The drive to EUG isn't bad, but it's still over an hour drive.

Salem has a big enough catchment to warrant n/s to at least one major west coast hub. Delta to SLC and SEA would do well, but I also think SLE-SFO/DEN would do pretty well also on United. Either would be smart to start with a CR2 > CR7 > E175.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:57 am
by jbpdx
AA2298 PDX-ORD left 3.5 hours late today. I wonder how UA, AA and AS are dealing with the loss of WN on PDX-MDW. Doesn’t look like anyone added flights to absorb the up to 350 passengers a day WN carried on that route each way.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:09 am
by kwbl
There is some info at flysle.com on the efforts to bring service back to Salem. I have been in contact with the people involved with the recruitment and it does not seem Allegiant is really on the radar....especially with the revenue guarantee. It sounds like UA 2 CRJ daily to SFO would be the starting point. AS is interested but they would be 3 daily on the Q400 and would need a bigger revenue guarantee in order to consider. I think that would the best option but the UA one is decent too. We'll see if they can get it done. DL does not seem to be on the radar either

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:15 am
by midway7
jbpdx wrote:
AA2298 PDX-ORD left 3.5 hours late today. I wonder how UA, AA and AS are dealing with the loss of WN on PDX-MDW. Doesn’t look like anyone added flights to absorb the up to 350 passengers a day WN carried on that route each way.


ORD had real challenging weather today. I think three to four hours late was about right.

I miss the WN nonstop to MDW. It seemed to always run near full. A lot of connections onward to the east coast.

Those of us going to MDW are now looking at connections in DEN, MCI, or STL, unless you feel like doing the zigzag down to a California city. I would imagine a lot of the traffic that used the MDW nonstop to connect to the east is doing the same thing. STL is somewhat banked now, so there are a lot of onward connection opportunities.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:22 am
by N174UA
RWA380 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
It looks like LHR will be a 764 out of PDX based off the press release about the new suite refresh for that plane.

I think they'll route the TYO plane via AMS.

East coast-AMS-PDX-TYO-PDX-AMS-East coast.


Except PDX-HND will be A332, PDX-AMS is A333.


Correct, took PDX-AMS in April & it had been up-gauged to the A-333 for the season at the end of March. Nice to see next year we will be getting the upgraded interior 764. How does that compare to the 332 as far as ASM's are concerned? Only a 4 seat difference in total count.

Could this mean DL is trying to make this a viable business route? If so, I'd expect a year round announcement to fulfill that requirement most corporate contracts would need from Delta, even if 5 x weekly. .


It sure sounds like things are headed in the direction. DL putting a newly refurbished, 4-class airplane on a route coming back next year 5x for the season. I think the performance this year will be the deciding factor as to whether they eventually go 5x per week year round, and a decision likely to be announced later this year. 5x per week would certainly be enough to deter a potential entrant (read: BA) for the foreseeable future.

With VS announcing a new order for aircraft recently, the other way I see PDX-LHR going is that DL builds the business and eventually transitions it to Virgin with a 787.

Time will tell on this route. Overall, DL clearly understands the PDX market and has the best strategy to develop it for the long haul.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:47 pm
by Frank11
On another note, what is going on with PDX concourses B and C? Looks like C6 is no longer exclusive to JetBlue and is going CUTE. Also, B3 has been totally decommissioned and B2 still has the jet bridge but is walled off. Could this be the start of the big Alaska concourse B renovation?

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:47 pm
by midway7
I was at PDX earlier today dropping somebody off, and went in for a few mins. Looks like the ticket counters for some of the "Orphan" airlines have been moved around as well. Sun Country is now over by Spirit. Frontier shares with Jet Blue. Condor, Icelandair, and a couple other international carriers seem be moved more towards the middle and end by the ABC concourse exit, where they were previously on the other end by the DE concourse exit.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:17 pm
by ramprat74
United and Air Canada are being forced to the north end of the lobby by the Port. I believe Southwest will move to the current United location.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:43 pm
by PDXPOL
Frank11 wrote:
On another note, what is going on with PDX concourses B and C? Looks like C6 is no longer exclusive to JetBlue and is going CUTE. Also, B3 has been totally decommissioned and B2 still has the jet bridge but is walled off. Could this be the start of the big Alaska concourse B renovation?



Yes, the big CC B renovation has started. By this fall all of Horizon Air's operations will be running out of the end of C concourse. CC B will be rebuilt exclusive for AAG, it should be done by Q2 of 2021. It will have 4 gates and 12-16 new ground load gates, it will have an upstairs and down stairs. Everything beyond the escalators will be torn down. The escalators are rebuilt and will take you to a lower level hold area. There you will walk out to a new ground load area, the old A concourse. WN has traded gate C 18 for C10, in preparations for Horizon ops move.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:58 am
by midway7
I know I have departed C20 on Southwest and may have arrived on C22. Are these gates no longer going to be Southwest as well?

Are we looking at more RON arrivals and first flight in the AM departures from Concourse D? I do not mind the variety of this, but the restaurants are much better on C.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:29 am
by RWA380
midway7 wrote:
I know I have departed C20 on Southwest and may have arrived on C22. Are these gates no longer going to be Southwest as well?

Are we looking at more RON arrivals and first flight in the AM departures from Concourse D? I do not mind the variety of this, but the restaurants are much better on C.


Correct, WN will occupy new gates being added to extend the E concourse. Literally as far away from where they are currently as is possible when the expansion project is complete. AS & AA will be the massive tenants in that concourse, with only B6 occupying just one gate for a 2-5 x a day operation given the season.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:17 am
by ExpatVet
Flying into PDX in August from Europe via Seattle. Really wanted to do the AMS-PDX flight, but the connection from BUD was pretty tight. (I know 1:20 in AMS is theoretically doable, but it can be very tight if there are any delays and running through airports is overrated.) Are there statistics out there for connecting traffic to PDX?

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:15 am
by BlatantEcho
^^^
1:20hr connection is zero drama in AMS in my experience. They have that dialed.

I believe MCT is actually as little as an hour.



That said, I have believed for years that the AMS flight should be shifted back 60-90 minutes.

Leave PDX at 3pm. Arrive AMS at 10am.
Leave AMS more like 11am, arrive pdx around 1pm

Klm has enough connecting flights where you don’t miss much, and it opens up more civilized connections from the rest of the continent.

(LIS-AMS is a 5am flight to make connection). ATH and IST and such are damn early too.

Just never quite sure why it wasn’t pushed back a little to open up a few more connections that people like yourself get nervous about.
Oh well.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:58 pm
by bigfoot0503
I hadn't noticed if this topic had its' own thread elsewhere. Frontier Airlines announced n/s PDX-LAS flights starting November 14, 2019. Looks like 2 flights/week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 558092001/

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:56 pm
by jbpdx
bigfoot0503 wrote:
I hadn't noticed if this topic had its' own thread elsewhere. Frontier Airlines announced n/s PDX-LAS flights starting November 14, 2019. Looks like 2 flights/week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 558092001/



This, after Spirit and Sun Country started the route, bringing it to ~13 flights daily each way. Five carriers. OK.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:01 pm
by jplatts
midway7 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
AA2298 PDX-ORD left 3.5 hours late today. I wonder how UA, AA and AS are dealing with the loss of WN on PDX-MDW. Doesn’t look like anyone added flights to absorb the up to 350 passengers a day WN carried on that route each way.


ORD had real challenging weather today. I think three to four hours late was about right.

I miss the WN nonstop to MDW. It seemed to always run near full. A lot of connections onward to the east coast.

Those of us going to MDW are now looking at connections in DEN, MCI, or STL, unless you feel like doing the zigzag down to a California city. I would imagine a lot of the traffic that used the MDW nonstop to connect to the east is doing the same thing. STL is somewhat banked now, so there are a lot of onward connection opportunities.


WN MDW-PDX nonstop service is scheduled to resume on August 6th, and WN has already removed the 737 MAX's from the August and September flight schedules.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:02 pm
by flyoregon
jbpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
I hadn't noticed if this topic had its' own thread elsewhere. Frontier Airlines announced n/s PDX-LAS flights starting November 14, 2019. Looks like 2 flights/week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 558092001/



This, after Spirit and Sun Country started the route, bringing it to ~13 flights daily each way. Five carriers. OK.


Take it for what it's worth, but a friend of mine at Frontier says that NK and F9 combining is just a matter of time. With Spirit recently announcing intent to grow LAS, Frontier adding a bunch of flights is curious. Not necessarily revelatory, but somewhat interesting.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:38 pm
by pdxav8r
flyoregon wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
I hadn't noticed if this topic had its' own thread elsewhere. Frontier Airlines announced n/s PDX-LAS flights starting November 14, 2019. Looks like 2 flights/week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 558092001/



This, after Spirit and Sun Country started the route, bringing it to ~13 flights daily each way. Five carriers. OK.


Take it for what it's worth, but a friend of mine at Frontier says that NK and F9 combining is just a matter of time. With Spirit recently announcing intent to grow LAS, Frontier adding a bunch of flights is curious. Not necessarily revelatory, but somewhat interesting.


So, if this were to happen (all hypothetical, and in no way holding flyoregon responsible for any rumors, just fun to imagine the possibility), would it be the first US ULCC merger? I am curious as to how the DOT would oversee it. Would they pay as much attention, like they would the majors, when it comes to route commonality? Especially if one carrier is only on a route 2x/week? The merger would certainly make sense in many ways (aircraft commonality amongst the many). I might assume the DOT would have other metrics to consider on ULCC mergers.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:02 am
by flyoregon
pdxav8r wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
jbpdx wrote:


This, after Spirit and Sun Country started the route, bringing it to ~13 flights daily each way. Five carriers. OK.


Take it for what it's worth, but a friend of mine at Frontier says that NK and F9 combining is just a matter of time. With Spirit recently announcing intent to grow LAS, Frontier adding a bunch of flights is curious. Not necessarily revelatory, but somewhat interesting.


So, if this were to happen (all hypothetical, and in no way holding flyoregon responsible for any rumors, just fun to imagine the possibility), would it be the first US ULCC merger? I am curious as to how the DOT would oversee it. Would they pay as much attention, like they would the majors, when it comes to route commonality? Especially if one carrier is only on a route 2x/week? The merger would certainly make sense in many ways (aircraft commonality amongst the many). I might assume the DOT would have other metrics to consider on ULCC mergers.


Yes, and for the record, it's coming from a pilot which historically are terrible sources for anything, but on the hypothetical, I don't know that I'd be surprised IF it did happen. From what I understand, pilot contracts are very similiar, fleets types are identical, and the ULCC model is pretty similar. Guess we'll see.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:23 pm
by jbpdx
PDX Portland International Airport
May 2019 Traffic


Domestic. 1,632,986. +0.9%
International. 68,227. -5.7%
Total. 1,701,213. +0.6%

# flights: 15,188. (2018: 1,844) -656

Volaris. +52.6%.
JetBlue. -57.1%
Frontier. -24.9%
Sun Country. +215.8%
Delta. +18.3%
Alaska. -1.5%
Horizon -5.9%
Hawaiian. +21%

Cathay Pacific Cargo. +17.7%


YTD
Domestic. 7,257,986. +1.4%
International. 286,244. -5.4%
Total. 7,544,230. +1.2%


The stall at PDX continues. 656 fewer flights compared with May 2018. Even Alaska and Horizon cut. But Delta did add 254 flights.

JetBlue is still in free fall. They allegedly are dropping ANC after this summer. Delta should look at BOS-PDX year round to push JetBlue off the route.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:40 pm
by tphuang
jbpdx wrote:
PDX Portland International Airport
May 2019 Traffic


Domestic. 1,632,986. +0.9%
International. 68,227. -5.7%
Total. 1,701,213. +0.6%

# flights: 15,188. (2018: 1,844) -656

Volaris. +52.6%.
JetBlue. -57.1%
Frontier. -24.9%
Sun Country. +215.8%
Delta. +18.3%
Alaska. -1.5%
Horizon -5.9%
Hawaiian. +21%

Cathay Pacific Cargo. +17.7%


YTD
Domestic. 7,257,986. +1.4%
International. 286,244. -5.4%
Total. 7,544,230. +1.2%


The stall at PDX continues. 656 fewer flights compared with May 2018. Even Alaska and Horizon cut. But Delta did add 254 flights.

JetBlue is still in free fall. They allegedly are dropping ANC after this summer. Delta should look at BOS-PDX year round to push JetBlue off the route.


There is no way JetBlue will let delta push it off any route out of Boston. As I said in JetBlue thread, it will go year round once they have a few a220.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:41 pm
by flyoregon
jbpdx wrote:
PDX Portland International Airport
May 2019 Traffic


Domestic. 1,632,986. +0.9%
International. 68,227. -5.7%
Total. 1,701,213. +0.6%

# flights: 15,188. (2018: 1,844) -656

Volaris. +52.6%.
JetBlue. -57.1%
Frontier. -24.9%
Sun Country. +215.8%
Delta. +18.3%
Alaska. -1.5%
Horizon -5.9%
Hawaiian. +21%

Cathay Pacific Cargo. +17.7%


YTD
Domestic. 7,257,986. +1.4%
International. 286,244. -5.4%
Total. 7,544,230. +1.2%


The stall at PDX continues. 656 fewer flights compared with May 2018. Even Alaska and Horizon cut. But Delta did add 254 flights.

JetBlue is still in free fall. They allegedly are dropping ANC after this summer. Delta should look at BOS-PDX year round to push JetBlue off the route.


I think there are a lot of variables when comparing YTD here. As we all know, the MAX situation doesn't help; Icelandair "restructuring" their network AND MAX issues; JetBlue is restructuring everything and dropping several cities altogether; The AS/VX quest for efficiency is still in the works; F9 and NK are pointless in Portland so who cares? Air Canada pushed back the start date of YYZ because of MAX; and Portland economy is slowing. It's not in a downward spiral, but it's not "booming" like it was 3-4 years ago. All told, it'll be interesting to see what June and July reports with daily LHR, more capacity on YYZ, etc.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:25 am
by Chugach
If B6’s ANC rumors are true, that’s a major bummer. I know a lot of people, both family and friends, who use that PDX-ANC flight in the summer. It’s a great alternative to AS if you’re not married to the AS Mileage Plan.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, either next year or the year after, DL takes another whack at PDX-ANC with B6 off of it.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:36 am
by RWA380
[*]
Chugach wrote:
If B6’s ANC rumors are true, that’s a major bummer. I know a lot of people, both family and friends, who use that PDX-ANC flight in the summer. It’s a great alternative to AS if you’re not married to the AS Mileage Plan.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, either next year or the year after, DL takes another whack at PDX-ANC with B6 off of it.


B6 by far has had the lowest fares for the summer season, I don't think AS even tries to match them. AS gets the premium demand & the vast majority of O/D traffic in the market. But I do know people in ANC & PDX who have flown B6, shopping by fare only, both would have preferred AS for the mileage, but both (who could oddly afford AS) chose B6, because B6 was so much cheaper.

I am sure SY would happily add ANC & like B6, that could easily otherwise have been a RON. But the list is long enough to know, almost any carrier could add with similar times, maybe even WN?

Over the years the carriers that have flown n/s PDX-ANC. AS, B6, CO, DL, OC, TW, UA, WA & both BF & WC were direct, with a single stop in Seattle.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:27 pm
by Chugach
RWA380 wrote:
[*]
Chugach wrote:
If B6’s ANC rumors are true, that’s a major bummer. I know a lot of people, both family and friends, who use that PDX-ANC flight in the summer. It’s a great alternative to AS if you’re not married to the AS Mileage Plan.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, either next year or the year after, DL takes another whack at PDX-ANC with B6 off of it.


B6 by far has had the lowest fares for the summer season, I don't think AS even tries to match them. AS gets the premium demand & the vast majority of O/D traffic in the market. But I do know people in ANC & PDX who have flown B6, shopping by fare only, both would have preferred AS for the mileage, but both (who could oddly afford AS) chose B6, because B6 was so much cheaper.

I am sure SY would happily add ANC & like B6, that could easily otherwise have been a RON. But the list is long enough to know, almost any carrier could add with similar times, maybe even WN?

Over the years the carriers that have flown n/s PDX-ANC. AS, B6, CO, DL, OC, TW, UA, WA & both BF & WC were direct, with a single stop in Seattle.


I’m a 75K on AS, and most of that comes courtesy of PDX-ANC. That said, I’ve always tried to get on B6 at least once a year to ANC. It’s important to support competition.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:56 pm
by jbpdx
Condor is moving up its PDX-FRA start date next year to 10 April (from early June.) The season runs through 20 October, 4x/week.

Delta’s PDX-NRT goes daily year round on the A332 beginning 29 March in preparation for the move to Haneda.

More on May 2019 PDX passenger traffic (compared to May 2018) and flights:

Jazz. +11.3%
(# flights: 310. +24)

Southwest. -3.7%
(# flights: 2,208. -302)*

Air Canada. -100%
(# flights: 0. -28)
(due to PDX-YYZ start delay)

Spirit. -7.1%
(# flights: 182. -48)

Aeromexico. -100%
(# flights: 0. -56)
(due to canceled PDX-MEX)

*Southwest accounted for almost half of the month’s net 656 flight cuts.

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:05 pm
by flyoregon
jbpdx wrote:
Condor is moving up its PDX-FRA start date next year to 10 April (from early June.) The season runs through 20 October, 4x/week.

Delta’s PDX-NRT goes daily year round on the A332 beginning 29 March in preparation for the move to Haneda.

More on May 2019 PDX passenger traffic (compared to May 2018) and flights:

Jazz. +11.3%
(# flights: 310. +24)

Southwest. -3.7%
(# flights: 2,208. -302)*

Air Canada. -100%
(# flights: 0. -28)
(due to PDX-YYZ start delay)

Spirit. -7.1%
(# flights: 182. -48)

Aeromexico. -100%
(# flights: 0. -56)
(due to canceled PDX-MEX)

*Southwest accounted for almost half of the month’s net 656 flight cuts.


*MAX impact

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:57 am
by lhpdx
Looks like Amazon has added an additional BWI-PDX daily routing for a combined total of 4......Nice seeing some other cargo tails beside UPS and FDX...

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:55 am
by ExpatVet
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
1:20hr connection is zero drama in AMS in my experience. They have that dialed.

I believe MCT is actually as little as an hour.



That said, I have believed for years that the AMS flight should be shifted back 60-90 minutes.

Leave PDX at 3pm. Arrive AMS at 10am.
Leave AMS more like 11am, arrive pdx around 1pm

Klm has enough connecting flights where you don’t miss much, and it opens up more civilized connections from the rest of the continent.

(LIS-AMS is a 5am flight to make connection). ATH and IST and such are damn early too.

Just never quite sure why it wasn’t pushed back a little to open up a few more connections that people like yourself get nervous about.
Oh well.


The thing I find is that landing time is not the same as terminal time. So I might have an hour and twenty when the wheels hit dirt, but by the time we taxi in from Belgium (I mean the Polderbaan) it's sub one hour. And i'm still not off the plane yet. I play very conservative with my transits, only missed one flight in the last ten years.