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Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:26 pm

Aerolíneas Argentinas are launching nonstop flights to Buenos Aires in December. https://twitter.com/MCO/status/1143587171330342918
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:27 pm

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Aerolíneas Argentinas are launching nonstop flights to Buenos Aires in December. https://twitter.com/MCO/status/1143587171330342918
Its about time, another option for DL passengers to connect on.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:15 pm

Kronesian wrote:
Aerolíneas Argentinas are launching nonstop flights to Buenos Aires in December. https://twitter.com/MCO/status/1143587171330342918
I assume DL will be working the ramp on this flight since they do AM & VS.
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:02 am

I noticed while looking to book my flight home in December that AA’s A330 comes in from CLT as part of the winter schedule, instead of PHL like last year, is this confirmed anywhere that I couldnt find or is it a bit too far out to really tell?
(I was specifically looking at AA1849 on Dec 12 MCO-CLT, but it looks to be daily, similar to PHL-MCO-PHL last year)
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I noticed while looking to book my flight home in December that AA’s A330 comes in from CLT as part of the winter schedule, instead of PHL like last year, is this confirmed anywhere that I couldnt find or is it a bit too far out to really tell?
(I was specifically looking at AA1849 on Dec 12 MCO-CLT, but it looks to be daily, similar to PHL-MCO-PHL last year)
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From what I've noticed, AA solidifies their schedule between 3 and 4 months out. I wouldn't completely bank on that being the set schedule. DL does the same thing but generally only 2 months out. Last winter MSP was supposed to be 5 daily during the winter with a mix of 739's and 757's but turned into 753's & 76W's exclusively.
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:07 pm

If DL were to add a CDG flight, most likely they would time it to leave between 3pm and 6pm to get to CDG for connections in the morning. About that time though, AS/4 is packed with Virgin and BA coming in. NTM, LATAM is using 4 again and so is EI, so the 80's/90's are getting quite full.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:57 am

I am surprised no one reported the new EL AL 787 and 777 service this week..Pics anyone?? What gate is EL AL using?
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:06 am

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I am surprised no one reported the new EL AL 787 and 777 service this week..Pics anyone?? What gate is EL AL using?
The Orlando/TB Planespotting group on Facebook didn't have any pictures yet. I thought some would be all over that.

Looked like when I was there they used 90.
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:25 pm

Any updates on the runway incident where Hi Fly dumped fuel?
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:37 pm

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Any updates on the runway incident where Hi Fly dumped fuel?
Haven't heard much more about it TBH.
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:46 pm

Aer Lingus increasing to 6 a week from June. Everyday, except Friday.
 
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:42 pm

So is WN cutting LGA due to performance or is it a temporary MAX type cut?
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:46 am

According to an article in the Turkish aviation thread, TK is looking at starting MCO. Based on the fact that TK already serves ATL and MIA while EK already serves MCO, I would say that this rumor has a 100% chance of being true and a matter of time before we hear an official announcement.

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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:37 am

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So is WN cutting LGA due to performance or is it a temporary MAX type cut?


WN in its January 2020 base summary said that the discontinuation of Saturday-only MCO-LGA nonstop service is a permanent discontinuation.
 
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So is WN cutting LGA due to performance or is it a temporary MAX type cut?

entirely due to performance.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:15 am

I'm a fairly regular AA flyer to MCO (though less lately with the reduction in non-stop service to NYC) and over Veterans Day weekend I've noticed there are two A330s flying CLT-MCO late on Sunday, both returning to CLT early on Monday morning.

A bit of a boon for me as I always like getting longhaul seating on domestic flights but a little curious as to why AA are doing this? Just utilizing the aircraft when they've nothing better to do at CLT or some other reason?
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Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:57 pm

Our lovely airport keeps expanding. Do you think NK is going to use Airside 1 exclusively? Or continue to do domestic flights at 3 and international inbounds at 1?
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:28 pm

Does anyone know why LATAM cut Fortaleza, Rio, and Santiago? These routes did very well, and Santiago only operated for one season, then it was cut. No reason why the other routes were cut as well.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:52 pm

Did anyone noticed that MCO surpassed LAS in traffic figures for the first half of this year? I wonder if the closure due to the hurricane and the loss of Thomas Cook will curtail the passenger growth numbers.

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Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:20 pm

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I'm a fairly regular AA flyer to MCO (though less lately with the reduction in non-stop service to NYC) and over Veterans Day weekend I've noticed there are two A330s flying CLT-MCO late on Sunday, both returning to CLT early on Monday morning.

A bit of a boon for me as I always like getting longhaul seating on domestic flights but a little curious as to why AA are doing this? Just utilizing the aircraft when they've nothing better to do at CLT or some other reason?


Just a guess, but with the end of Summer international flying a lot of destinations are reduced to a few times a week or removed entirely. While I think it's a bit of a waste to see a widebody sit overnight at an outstation when it could be doing something like working the West Coast and doing a red-eye back, someone in the planning department found it to be worthwhile to leave it there overnight.

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Our lovely airport keeps expanding. Do you think NK is going to use Airside 1 exclusively? Or continue to do domestic flights at 3 and international inbounds at 1?


While it's just my opinion, once the new South Terminal Complex is complete, JetBlue is planning on moving their entire operation there. That will leave plenty of room for NK to have all their operations under one roof. I would point out though, that from what I know, while Spirit does allow connections, the majority of their fares seem to be O&D focused.

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Does anyone know why LATAM cut Fortaleza, Rio, and Santiago? These routes did very well, and Santiago only operated for one season, then it was cut. No reason why the other routes were cut as well.


With the recent Delta investment of Delta in LATAM, it would not surprise me at all to see some or all of those restart at some point, and likely from Airside 4. I had mentioned in another thread, Delta has started loading the seasonal Snowbird/Spring Break flights from MCO-BNA/CLE/CMH/DCA/GRR/MEM/MKE/PIT. IF - and that's a Big "IF" - timed right they could use these for connections Southbound from MCO.
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:34 pm

Did any spotters catch the HiFly A380 here last week?
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:37 pm

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Did any spotters catch the HiFly A380 here last week?


https://twitter.com/MCO/status/1181242116070002688
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:37 pm

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Did any spotters catch the HiFly A380 here last week?

I saw it on the flymco instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3XbIMJBHm2/?igshid=1kpu58y3gsrbt
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thank you for sharing..
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:51 pm

With the recent Delta investment of Delta in LATAM, it would not surprise me at all to see some or all of those restart at some point, and likely from Airside 4. I had mentioned in another thread, Delta has started loading the seasonal Snowbird/Spring Break flights from MCO-BNA/CLE/CMH/DCA/GRR/MEM/MKE/PIT. IF - and that's a Big "IF" - timed right they could use these for connections Southbound from MCO.[/quote]

Is there any chance at all the Delta would make these year round or seasonal? Same with BHM, STL, IAD, or even adding LAS, SFO, SAN, and AUS.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:23 pm

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Same with BHM, STL, IAD, or even adding LAS, SFO, SAN, and AUS.


While DL adding MCO-AUS is a possibility with DL already serving some non-hub markets nonstop from MCO, AUS already has nonstop service to MCO on WN, B6, F9, and NK, and G4 also already has seasonal, less-than daily nonstop service to SFB from AUS.

In addition to WN, B6, F9, NK, and G4 all already serving the Orlando market nonstop from AUS, UA also already offers 1-stop connecting service to MCO from AUS through its IAH hub.

There will likely be a bloodbath on AUS-MCO/SFB if DL adds AUS-MCO nonstop service with DL having to compete against at least 4 other airlines on AUS-MCO (plus 1-stop connecting options on UA through IAH and G4 seasonal AUS-SFB nonstop service).

Any O&D demand for AUS-MCO/SFB is also likely to be already covered by the WN, B6, F9, and NK AUS-MCO nonstop flights, the G4 AUS-SFB seasonal nonstop flights, and 1-stop connecting options to MCO from AUS through IAH on UA.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:21 pm

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aviationMCO8 wrote:
Same with BHM, STL, IAD, or even adding LAS, SFO, SAN, and AUS.


While DL adding MCO-AUS is a possibility with DL already serving some non-hub markets nonstop from MCO, AUS already has nonstop service to MCO on WN, B6, F9, and NK, and G4 also already has seasonal, less-than daily nonstop service to SFB from AUS.

In addition to WN, B6, F9, NK, and G4 all already serving the Orlando market nonstop from AUS, UA also already offers 1-stop connecting service to MCO from AUS through its IAH hub.

There will likely be a bloodbath on AUS-MCO/SFB if DL adds AUS-MCO nonstop service with DL having to compete against at least 4 other airlines on AUS-MCO (plus 1-stop connecting options on UA through IAH and G4 seasonal AUS-SFB nonstop service).

Any O&D demand for AUS-MCO/SFB is also likely to be already covered by the WN, B6, F9, and NK AUS-MCO nonstop flights, the G4 AUS-SFB seasonal nonstop flights, and 1-stop connecting options to MCO from AUS through IAH on UA.



Do you see Delta adding the other cities i listed? Or maybe even adding the winter/spring season flights for a longer period of time.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:14 pm

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jplatts wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
Same with BHM, STL, IAD, or even adding LAS, SFO, SAN, and AUS.


Do you see Delta adding the other cities i listed? Or maybe even adding the winter/spring season flights for a longer period of time.


I could see DL possibly adding LAS-MCO nonstop service since (a) DL already has point-to-point nonstop service out of LAS to LGB, SNA, SAN, and SJC in addition to its hubs, CVG focus city, and RDU focus city and (b) DL already has announced plans to serve PDX nonstop from LAS starting in April 2020.

I am unsure if DL adding MCO-SFO/SAN will happen since (a) most of DL's current p2p nonstop routes out of MCO are to destinations in the Midwest, the Southeast, and the Northeast, (b) SFO-CVG and SAN-LAS are currently the only DL nonstop routes out of SFO and SAN that aren't to its hubs, (c) UA has one of its major hubs at SFO, (d) UA and AS already serve MCO nonstop from SFO, and (e) WN, AS, and F9 already serve MCO nonstop from SAN.

I agree that DL could extend the winter/spring seasonal nonstop routes to a longer period of time, and I agree that DL increasing nonstop service to non-hub destinations out of MCO might happen.
 
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Hearing internal rumors that Spirit will be announcing 3x weekly MCO-CRW on Tuesday 11/19, possibly starting up in mid February.
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Orlando Business Journal states Orlando seeking its first nonstop Asia service. Looking at Japan ahead of China..

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/new ... yptr=yahoo
 
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UA is adding widebody service from MCO to both ORD and EWR. ORD getting the 772 and EWR getting both the 763 and 772.


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Orlando Business Journal states Orlando seeking its first nonstop Asia service. Looking at Japan ahead of China..

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/new ... yptr=yahoo
No surprise, but will we get it before MIA?
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:38 am

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I could see DL possibly adding LAS-MCO nonstop service since (a) DL already has point-to-point nonstop service out of LAS to LGB, SNA, SAN, and SJC in addition to its hubs, CVG focus city, and RDU focus city and (b) DL already has announced plans to serve PDX nonstop from LAS starting in April 2020.

I am unsure if DL adding MCO-SFO/SAN will happen since (a) most of DL's current p2p nonstop routes out of MCO are to destinations in the Midwest, the Southeast, and the Northeast, (b) SFO-CVG and SAN-LAS are currently the only DL nonstop routes out of SFO and SAN that aren't to its hubs, (c) UA has one of its major hubs at SFO, (d) UA and AS already serve MCO nonstop from SFO, and (e) WN, AS, and F9 already serve MCO nonstop from SAN.

I agree that DL could extend the winter/spring seasonal nonstop routes to a longer period of time, and I agree that DL increasing nonstop service to non-hub destinations out of MCO might happen.


MCO-LAS would be a service resumption, it operated for many years from the late 90's to the mid 00's.

It's just my opinion, but I think SFO will be the next place that DL looks to expand point to point, even though they have highlighted SJC as a possible focus city. It should be interesting to see if DL adds any additional Saturday operations to MCO from other cities over the spring and summer as they have in years past.
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:57 pm

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UA is adding widebody service from MCO to both ORD and EWR. ORD getting the 772 and EWR getting both the 763 and 772.

Is this temporary for holidays or for the winter?

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Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:02 pm

Hello does anyone who works at MCO have any idea why all the trees and thick vegetation is being removed in between the landslide and airside on the East side??? It makes for great viewing as now you can see all the action at the gates unhindered from the public roadways around the main landslide area! A rarity today
 
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Brightline/Virgin Trains construction
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https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2019/11/26/full-throttle-why-orlandos-airport-wants-direct.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

Interesting tidbit: this article claims that MCO is LH's strongest performing in Florida... over the presumptive MIA. Interesting.
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I believe you are wrong... That train will stop at the new parking lot C /train facility already open to the South.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:26 pm

Yes, the station is at the new south ITF/APM station, but the rail line enters the airport property at SR528 and CR15 (Narcoossee), travels parallel to SR528 to Airport Exit Rd, then south parallel to Exit Rd to the station along the route that is now being cleared and prepared.

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Yes, the station is at the new south ITF/APM station, but the rail line enters the airport property at SR528 and CR15 (Narcoossee), travels parallel to SR528 to Airport Exit Rd, then south parallel to Exit Rd to the station along the route that is now being cleared and prepared.

Question asked....question answered!


Question answered and my apologies.. thank you! As I said makes for great viewing which is unheard of these days...will any of the bridge abutments or overhead taxiway bridge be affected??
 
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crownvic wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2019/11/26/full-throttle-why-orlandos-airport-wants-direct.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

Interesting tidbit: this article claims that MCO is LH's strongest performing in Florida... over the presumptive MIA. Interesting.



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Orlando Business Journal states Orlando seeking its first nonstop Asia service. Looking at Japan ahead of China..

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/new ... yptr=yahoo
No surprise, but will we get it before MIA?

I believe Orlando should. I would think the East Asia originating market would be more interested in theme parks over the beaches and party scene of South Florida due to the fact SE Asia has all of that if they want. Its opposite for Europe, as Miami is closer to them than most other beach destinations outside of the ME. Plus, Orlando has all the shopping they need as well, from high end to budget friendly name brands at the huge outlets.
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crownvic wrote:
Orlando Business Journal states Orlando seeking its first nonstop Asia service. Looking at Japan ahead of China..

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/new ... yptr=yahoo
No surprise, but will we get it before MIA?

I believe Orlando should. I would think the East Asia originating market would be more interested in theme parks over the beaches and party scene of South Florida due to the fact SE Asia has all of that if they want. Its opposite for Europe, as Miami is closer to them than most other beach destinations outside of the ME. Plus, Orlando has all the shopping they need as well, from high end to budget friendly name brands at the huge outlets.
If we go by tourism, perhaps we lead in that category, but airlines like JAL and ANA will be more or less concerned about filling some O&D traffic using the flight for VFR (visiting friends or relatives). Unfortunately we don't fare (pun intended) as well as the Miami area since they have more Japanese American's living there albeit still smaller than a lot of other big US cities. Miami has the Chinese population to hold over our head too. Korean isn't very common in FL alongside of the Japanese. I'd hope that MCO builds a good case but it's going to have to beat MIA's even stronger case. We can do it.
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flymco753 wrote:
No surprise, but will we get it before MIA?

I believe Orlando should. I would think the East Asia originating market would be more interested in theme parks over the beaches and party scene of South Florida due to the fact SE Asia has all of that if they want. Its opposite for Europe, as Miami is closer to them than most other beach destinations outside of the ME. Plus, Orlando has all the shopping they need as well, from high end to budget friendly name brands at the huge outlets.
If we go by tourism, perhaps we lead in that category, but airlines like JAL and ANA will be more or less concerned about filling some O&D traffic using the flight for VFR (visiting friends or relatives). Unfortunately we don't fare (pun intended) as well as the Miami area since they have more Japanese American's living there albeit still smaller than a lot of other big US cities. Miami has the Chinese population to hold over our head too. Korean isn't very common in FL alongside of the Japanese. I'd hope that MCO builds a good case but it's going to have to beat MIA's even stronger case. We can do it.


MCO-Japan is way way way bigger than MIA-Japan, like 4-5x bigger. In fact MCO-China is even probably much larger, as MIA's biggest market is to MNL. MCO to Tokyo by itself is close to 150 PDEW, the problems are the yield and distance factors.
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I believe Orlando should. I would think the East Asia originating market would be more interested in theme parks over the beaches and party scene of South Florida due to the fact SE Asia has all of that if they want. Its opposite for Europe, as Miami is closer to them than most other beach destinations outside of the ME. Plus, Orlando has all the shopping they need as well, from high end to budget friendly name brands at the huge outlets.
If we go by tourism, perhaps we lead in that category, but airlines like JAL and ANA will be more or less concerned about filling some O&D traffic using the flight for VFR (visiting friends or relatives). Unfortunately we don't fare (pun intended) as well as the Miami area since they have more Japanese American's living there albeit still smaller than a lot of other big US cities. Miami has the Chinese population to hold over our head too. Korean isn't very common in FL alongside of the Japanese. I'd hope that MCO builds a good case but it's going to have to beat MIA's even stronger case. We can do it.


MCO-Japan is way way way bigger than MIA-Japan, like 4-5x bigger. In fact MCO-China is even probably much larger, as MIA's biggest market is to MNL. MCO to Tokyo by itself is close to 150 PDEW, the problems are the yield and distance factors.


MCO-Japan is definitely way bigger than MIA-Japan. Japanese tourists love Orlando. It's not 5x bigger, though, closer to 3x.

But Miami-Asia (and Miami-China) is bigger than Orlando-Asia. And then there's the average fares...there's no comparison because of Miami's strong business ties to certain regions, particularly Hong Kong and Taiwan.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:06 am

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will any of the bridge abutments or overhead taxiway bridge be affected??


The taxiway bridges were built with future rail in mind. They already have rail "right-of-ways" under them. Several airport roadways will be "relocated" (lowered) to make room for the rail line to pass under the East Airside APM tracks. Cargo rd will be tunneled under and the Exit slip road to cargo rd will be ramped over the rail line.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:04 am

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If we go by tourism, perhaps we lead in that category, but airlines like JAL and ANA will be more or less concerned about filling some O&D traffic using the flight for VFR (visiting friends or relatives). Unfortunately we don't fare (pun intended) as well as the Miami area since they have more Japanese American's living there albeit still smaller than a lot of other big US cities. Miami has the Chinese population to hold over our head too. Korean isn't very common in FL alongside of the Japanese. I'd hope that MCO builds a good case but it's going to have to beat MIA's even stronger case. We can do it.


MCO-Japan is way way way bigger than MIA-Japan, like 4-5x bigger. In fact MCO-China is even probably much larger, as MIA's biggest market is to MNL. MCO to Tokyo by itself is close to 150 PDEW, the problems are the yield and distance factors.


MCO-Japan is definitely way bigger than MIA-Japan. Japanese tourists love Orlando. It's not 5x bigger, though, closer to 3x.

But Miami-Asia (and Miami-China) is bigger than Orlando-Asia. And then there's the average fares...there's no comparison because of Miami's strong business ties to certain regions, particularly Hong Kong and Taiwan.


Maybe you are right, I was basing it off of MCO vs MIA to Tokyo, which I have seen as a little more than 4x bigger. But maybe, all of Japan would lower the difference a bit.

Nevertheless, both MIA and MCO have enough demand to fill a flight to Asia, the difference is the gateway.

If it is a Japan flight, I think MCO stacks up fairly well against MIA, given MCO would be a large majority O&D while MIA would likely be much more connecting traffic. Despite average nonstop fares probably being lower from MCO overall, MIA fares would likely be low as well. While, the fares on MIA-NRT nonstop maybe likely be higher than MCO, with the majority of passengers from MIA likely flying MIA-NRT-China/SE Asia, the airline would have to be competitive with the Ultra low fares Chinese airlines offer through its US gateways.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:27 am

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MCO-Japan is way way way bigger than MIA-Japan, like 4-5x bigger. In fact MCO-China is even probably much larger, as MIA's biggest market is to MNL. MCO to Tokyo by itself is close to 150 PDEW, the problems are the yield and distance factors.


MCO-Japan is definitely way bigger than MIA-Japan. Japanese tourists love Orlando. It's not 5x bigger, though, closer to 3x.

But Miami-Asia (and Miami-China) is bigger than Orlando-Asia. And then there's the average fares...there's no comparison because of Miami's strong business ties to certain regions, particularly Hong Kong and Taiwan.


Maybe you are right, I was basing it off of MCO vs MIA to Tokyo, which I have seen as a little more than 4x bigger. But maybe, all of Japan would lower the difference a.


I know you are referring to AA’s Haneda application. But you are forgetting Miami is a two airport city and the application only counted MIA. FLL is around 40% of the Miami-Tokyo market, so add that number to it. With no non/stops from Miami, the traffic is more evenly split between both airports than from, say, European gateways.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:41 am

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Midwestindy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

MCO-Japan is definitely way bigger than MIA-Japan. Japanese tourists love Orlando. It's not 5x bigger, though, closer to 3x.

But Miami-Asia (and Miami-China) is bigger than Orlando-Asia. And then there's the average fares...there's no comparison because of Miami's strong business ties to certain regions, particularly Hong Kong and Taiwan.


Maybe you are right, I was basing it off of MCO vs MIA to Tokyo, which I have seen as a little more than 4x bigger. But maybe, all of Japan would lower the difference a.


I know you are referring to AA’s Haneda application. But you are forgetting Miami is a two airport city and the application only counted MIA. FLL is around 40% of the Miami-Tokyo market, so add that number to it. With no non/stops from Miami, the traffic is more evenly split between both airports than from, say, European gateways.


Even including FLL doesn't change much, especially once you factor in MCO will draw from Tampa which is a larger O&D Japan market than FLL.
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Re: Orlando Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:44 am

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Hello does anyone who works at MCO have any idea why all the trees and thick vegetation is being removed in between the landslide and airside on the East side??? It makes for great viewing as now you can see all the action at the gates unhindered from the public roadways around the main landslide area! A rarity today


That is great news if it is true. It always bothered me, but better late then never.
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