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San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:32 am

Continue from last year's discussion.

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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:22 pm

Fun day at SFO today. There have been departures and arrivals on both the 19s and 10s. Peak gust of 52 so far.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:02 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Fun day at SFO today. There have been departures and arrivals on both the 19s and 10s. Peak gust of 52 so far.

It's going to be fun for te next 4 days, I used to work Mid shift on the Terminal for United. Winters were a Bear because it seemed like all we DID was change Tires and Brakes all winter in the RAIN! And? That Sucked. But if it was your Monday? That's what you got!!
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:02 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Fun day at SFO today. There have been departures and arrivals on both the 19s and 10s. Peak gust of 52 so far.

It's going to be fun for te next 4 days, I used to work Mid shift on the Terminal for United. Winters were a Bear because it seemed like all we DID was change Tires and Brakes all winter in the RAIN! And? That Sucked. But if it was your Monday? That's what you got!!
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:02 am

Buried in an article about a possible renaming of OAK is the more interesting mention of a potential Terminal 3:

Colbruno said he'd like to name the airport's two terminals after Gee and Li to help nail down a timeline for building the third terminal.

"Maybe renaming the terminals gets us there," he said.


Not needed now but will hopefully be needed sooner rather than later so it'd be nice to see at least one Port commissioner is thinking about it.

https://www.aviationpros.com/news/12439 ... uld-happen
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:10 am

Looks like SJC is officially going to pass OAK for #2 in the Bay Area and #4 in the state https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/new ... -2018.html
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:52 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Looks like SJC is officially going to pass OAK for #2 in the Bay Area and #4 in the state https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/new ... -2018.html


Paywall. Can you tell us more?

Until then... :D
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:11 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Looks like SJC is officially going to pass OAK for #2 in the Bay Area and #4 in the state https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/new ... -2018.html


They passed OAK in monthly passengers in November 2017 and Year-to-Year passengers in June 2018
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:30 am

SJC numbers out: https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/B ... 607810.php

14.3 million for the year, expecting to break 15 this year. Passenger count up 14.7% over 2017.

OAK at 13.6 million, up 4% and SFO at 43.5 million up 2.6%

Growth at SJC will probably continue to be mostly from WN and AS. I'd be surprised if B6 isn't down to just BOS and maybe JFK by this time next year. Legacies have probably added all they reasonably could and ULCC's don't really seem interested, as F9's experiment seems to have ended with them mostly pulling out everything they added last spring and no other carriers seem keen to try.

The struggle of the intercontinental flights does surprise me. I don't know if it's a failure of marketing them and getting the word out, or if the strength of UA at SFO is just too great to pull the business travelers away. Either way, it's disappointing that in an area with such a high population and wealth, the closest major airport can't support more than a single flight to Europe and two to Asia (more like 1.5).
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:04 am

All I want is UA to operate 2-3 flights a day to DEN, ORD, and IAH from OAK. Is that too much to ask?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:12 am

iflykpdx wrote:
The struggle of the intercontinental flights does surprise me. I don't know if it's a failure of marketing them and getting the word out, or if the strength of UA at SFO is just too great to pull the business travelers away. Either way, it's disappointing that in an area with such a high population and wealth, the closest major airport can't support more than a single flight to Europe and two to Asia (more like 1.5).


I wish OAK and SJC had more luck too. I think they're at a disadvantage especially with international because it's a lot easier to justify going to SFO for a longhaul flight. For much of the peninsula and South Bay, it's pretty much a wash between getting to SJC or SFO. OAK is easier to get to for pretty much the entire East Bay, but SFO isn't that hard to get to by BART or one of the bridges. From the North Bay, none of the options are great. And there's not enough marketing in the world to overcome the challenge of getting people overseas to recognize OAK and SJC as decent alternatives to SFO.

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All I want is UA to operate 2-3 flights a day to DEN, ORD, and IAH from OAK. Is that too much to ask?


Same! I'd also love to see AS restart SFO-DEN.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:28 am

iflykpdx wrote:
SJC numbers out: https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/B ... 607810.php

14.3 million for the year, expecting to break 15 this year. Passenger count up 14.7% over 2017.

OAK at 13.6 million, up 4% and SFO at 43.5 million up 2.6%



I think you mis-read the article. The SFO pax number of 43.5 million was for domestic only. Add to that the 14.2M international brings the total to 57.7M.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:55 pm

Makes sense. I thought the lower figure seemed off.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:27 pm

SJC publishes International figures and they're at nearly a million for 2018... Anyone know what OAK Int'l numbers were?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:19 pm

While WN already has seasonal nonstop service to MKE from SFO, the lack of UA SFO-MKE nonstop service is a huge hole in the SFO market.

There was an average of 462 passengers traveling between the San Francisco Bay Area and MKE in Q2 2018, and there is more than enough demand for UA nonstop service to MKE from SFO on at least a seasonal basis with the demand exceeding the capacity available on the WN SFO-MKE nonstops during the summer travel season.

There is enough demand for WN to add OAK-MKE nonstop service on at least a seasonal basis if UA doesn't add SFO-MKE nonstop service, and there is also probably enough demand for year-round daily nonstop service to MKE from SFO.

AS adding SFO-MKE nonstop service is another possibility if UA doesn't add SFO-MKE nonstop service and if WN doesn't add OAK-MKE nonstop service.

Will UA or AS ever add SFO-MKE nonstop service? Will WN add OAK-MKE nonstop service?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:58 pm

iflykpdx wrote:
SJC numbers out: https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/B ... 607810.php

14.3 million for the year, expecting to break 15 this year. Passenger count up 14.7% over 2017.

OAK at 13.6 million, up 4% and SFO at 43.5 million up 2.6%

Growth at SJC will probably continue to be mostly from WN and AS. I'd be surprised if B6 isn't down to just BOS and maybe JFK by this time next year. Legacies have probably added all they reasonably could and ULCC's don't really seem interested, as F9's experiment seems to have ended with them mostly pulling out everything they added last spring and no other carriers seem keen to try.

The struggle of the intercontinental flights does surprise me. I don't know if it's a failure of marketing them and getting the word out, or if the strength of UA at SFO is just too great to pull the business travelers away. Either way, it's disappointing that in an area with such a high population and wealth, the closest major airport can't support more than a single flight to Europe and two to Asia (more like 1.5).


With WN jumping unto the LGB Route, B6 is probably toast.

You’re probably right about the major growth coming from the battle at SJC between AS and WN (Although DL has been pretty active at SJC).If one of them blinks (more likely AS), the other would dominate and growth would probably level off or even reverse.

The lack of airline lounges probably isn’t helping SJC. They only have one lounge, and it’s not directly associated with any airline.

I’d guess that the UA hub at SFO is probably the biggest factor affecting service and growth at all three airports.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:13 am

When will Concourse B at SFO be demolished?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:42 pm

jplatts wrote:
While WN already has seasonal nonstop service to MKE from SFO, the lack of UA SFO-MKE nonstop service is a huge hole in the SFO market.

There was an average of 462 passengers traveling between the San Francisco Bay Area and MKE in Q2 2018, and there is more than enough demand for UA nonstop service to MKE from SFO on at least a seasonal basis with the demand exceeding the capacity available on the WN SFO-MKE nonstops during the summer travel season.

There is enough demand for WN to add OAK-MKE nonstop service on at least a seasonal basis if UA doesn't add SFO-MKE nonstop service, and there is also probably enough demand for year-round daily nonstop service to MKE from SFO.

AS adding SFO-MKE nonstop service is another possibility if UA doesn't add SFO-MKE nonstop service and if WN doesn't add OAK-MKE nonstop service.

Will UA or AS ever add SFO-MKE nonstop service? Will WN add OAK-MKE nonstop service?


My understanding is that MKE is a maintenance base for several UAX carriers which is why MKE sees more RJs despite being a larger market than MSN which has n/s service to SFO and soon LAX. Perhaps once UA onboards more 319s they will start SFO-MKE but it’s a long shot considering UA has kept MKE stagnant despite its aggressive domestic growth the last few years.

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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:21 pm

JetSuiteX starting OAK-BFI 3x daily on July 1 https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/J ... 786456.php
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:00 pm

While WN already serves BWI, HNL, HOU, MCI, and BNA nonstop from OAK in the San Francisco Bay Area, these 5 destinations are some of the top domestic destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from SFO.

Will WN ever add SFO-BWI, SFO-HNL, SFO-HOU, SFO-MCI, and/or SFO-BNA nonstop service?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:51 pm

Curious as to how ELAL SFO flight is doing. Granted I know it's super early and summer, just wondering how bookings are? There have been a few new International flights to SFO that have started up, any info on them?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:56 am

jplatts wrote:
While WN already serves BWI, HNL, HOU, MCI, and BNA nonstop from OAK in the San Francisco Bay Area, these 5 destinations are some of the top domestic destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from SFO.

Will WN ever add SFO-BWI, SFO-HNL, SFO-HOU, SFO-MCI, and/or SFO-BNA nonstop service?


I doubt it. WN seems to be happy flying those routes from SJC and OAK, where they have substantial operations.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:59 am

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All I want is UA to operate 2-3 flights a day to DEN, ORD, and IAH from OAK. Is that too much to ask?

Yeah,, it might BE since United no longer has facilities at Oakland..
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:44 am

strfyr51 wrote:
sincx wrote:
All I want is UA to operate 2-3 flights a day to DEN, ORD, and IAH from OAK. Is that too much to ask?

Yeah,, it might BE since United no longer has facilities at Oakland..


Airlines, UA included, start/re-start new airports without existing facilities all the time. Not a large stopping block. I read somewhere that UA may be looking at restarting OAK in the future.

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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:13 am

77H wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
sincx wrote:
All I want is UA to operate 2-3 flights a day to DEN, ORD, and IAH from OAK. Is that too much to ask?

Yeah,, it might BE since United no longer has facilities at Oakland..


Airlines, UA included, start/re-start new airports without existing facilities all the time. Not a large stopping block. I read somewhere that UA may be looking at restarting OAK in the future.

77H


Scott Kirby told the SF Chronicle that UA *will* return to Oakland. He didn't say when or from where, but he said it will happen.

What about Oakland?

Oakland is on our list. I'm not sure when we are going to add it, but we are going to get back into the East Bay. We have not decided the timing yet, but we are absolutely planning to get back into Oakland.

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/I ... 29013.php#
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:38 am

intotheair wrote:
77H wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
Yeah,, it might BE since United no longer has facilities at Oakland..


Airlines, UA included, start/re-start new airports without existing facilities all the time. Not a large stopping block. I read somewhere that UA may be looking at restarting OAK in the future.

77H


Scott Kirby told the SF Chronicle that UA *will* return to Oakland. He didn't say when or from where, but he said it will happen.

What about Oakland?

Oakland is on our list. I'm not sure when we are going to add it, but we are going to get back into the East Bay. We have not decided the timing yet, but we are absolutely planning to get back into Oakland.

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/I ... 29013.php#



That’s probably where I read it.

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