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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:53 pm

WN announced Sunday-only nonstop service to AMA from HOU starting on October 6th, and the announcement can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.

There are still some more domestic nonstop routes such as HOU-CVG, HOU-CLE, HOU-DTW, HOU-RSW, HOU-MSP, HOU-ONT, HOU-SFO, and HOU-PBI that could be added by WN out of HOU.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:17 pm

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What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?


In general, it would be great to see IAH serve as more of a connecting hub between Asia and Latin America (something I think LAX dominates right now). Specifically, Asiana to ICN.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:42 pm

HouStrategies wrote:
zm093 wrote:
What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?


In general, it would be great to see IAH serve as more of a connecting hub between Asia and Latin America (something I think LAX dominates right now). Specifically, Asiana to ICN.


DFW is probably the biggest from Asia to Deep South America right now. It’s hard to connect in LAX to the same airline though I’m sure split tickets are common.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:45 pm

There is another thread on here started this week about the CEO of TAP stating he wants to start service to IAH ( among others) in 2020. I think this would be good for IAH and good for Houston area travelers to have easier access to the Iberian peninsula and North Africa. Obviously TAP being in Star Alliance probably tipped their decision.
Do you think the addition of TP to Houston would work in favor of IAH attracting SN or LX in the future, or would it hurt it by throwing too much European capacity at IAH, given there are already 4 other EU carriers operating there already?
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:21 pm

IAHWorldflyer wrote:
There is another thread on here started this week about the CEO of TAP stating he wants to start service to IAH ( among others) in 2020. I think this would be good for IAH and good for Houston area travelers to have easier access to the Iberian peninsula and North Africa. Obviously TAP being in Star Alliance probably tipped their decision.
Do you think the addition of TP to Houston would work in favor of IAH attracting SN or LX in the future, or would it hurt it by throwing too much European capacity at IAH, given there are already 4 other EU carriers operating there already?


I don't think SN or LX would fare well.

OZ to ICN seems more realistic
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:31 pm

I think there’s room for a *A-affiliated airline like TP to carry high yielding business traffic to LAD and other destinations and fill seats to other destinations with connecting traffic ... essentially replicating the growth over the Pacific. Flying from Houston to Europe isn’t cheap as it is from other markets of size. I get the Atlanta calculus, too, for similar reasons although that’s a much tougher nut to crack.

SN I could see similarly ... they’d probably be even better situated but capacity is controlled by the A++ JV.

LX I don’t see much of a case for. MUC would have to stabilize long before that happened. Or I guess MUC could be replaced, but I don’t think the JV is working in that direction.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:36 pm

1836Sam wrote:
I think there’s room for a *A-affiliated airline like TP to carry high yielding business traffic to LAD and other destinations and fill seats to other destinations with connecting traffic ... essentially replicating the growth over the Pacific. Flying from Houston to Europe isn’t cheap as it is from other markets of size. I get the Atlanta calculus, too, for similar reasons although that’s a much tougher nut to crack.

SN I could see similarly ... they’d probably be even better situated but capacity is controlled by the A++ JV.

LX I don’t see much of a case for. MUC would have to stabilize long before that happened. Or I guess MUC could be replaced, but I don’t think the JV is working in that direction.


You're certainly correct when you talk about fares Houston-Europe being above average. Though bargains can be found, Y class fares are usually north of US$1100r/t during the busier months. Asia flying is substantially cheaper.

I think that MUC has stabilized from here. It was flown all winter this year AFAIK, which is a switch from a couple years ago, when it was basically seasonal. My opinion on TP is that they will fill the void of oil-related Africa flying that SN could take advantage of, and keep SN out of the market. LH doesn't offer a robust Africa network, so much of that flying is scooped up by AF at IAH currently.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:54 pm

Ethiopian has announced service to ADD via LFW to commence on 23 June using a 788 aircraft 3x weekly. This puts IAH back into the 6 continent club. The aircraft will spend quite a bit of time on the ground at IAH, and the departure will be in the middle of the big Euro departure bank.
While this had been announced a few months back, I think this is the first we've seen the actual schedule.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2019/
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:24 pm

The Emir of Bahrain has stated intentions on starting flights from BAH-IAH on GF. That would be interesting if it comes to fruition.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:07 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
The Emir of Bahrain has stated intentions on starting flights from BAH-IAH on GF. That would be interesting if it comes to fruition.


The direct quote: “looking at the possibility of direct flights to Houston,” not “intentions of starting flights.”

It’s really a throwaway quote. No different than any other political delegation issuing resolutions of support for nonstop service to Houston.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:01 pm

1836Sam wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
The Emir of Bahrain has stated intentions on starting flights from BAH-IAH on GF. That would be interesting if it comes to fruition.


The direct quote: “looking at the possibility of direct flights to Houston,” not “intentions of starting flights.”

It’s really a throwaway quote. No different than any other political delegation issuing resolutions of support for nonstop service to Houston.


Agreed. That’s one I sure don’t see starting.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:22 pm

1836Sam wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
The Emir of Bahrain has stated intentions on starting flights from BAH-IAH on GF. That would be interesting if it comes to fruition.


The direct quote: “looking at the possibility of direct flights to Houston,” not “intentions of starting flights.”

It’s really a throwaway quote. No different than any other political delegation issuing resolutions of support for nonstop service to Houston.


Difference is Bahrain is a Monarchy some what, so higher chance of starting vs some MP from the UK saying I would like to see direct flights from London to Khartoum.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:31 pm

LH658 wrote:
1836Sam wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
The Emir of Bahrain has stated intentions on starting flights from BAH-IAH on GF. That would be interesting if it comes to fruition.


The direct quote: “looking at the possibility of direct flights to Houston,” not “intentions of starting flights.”

It’s really a throwaway quote. No different than any other political delegation issuing resolutions of support for nonstop service to Houston.


Difference is Bahrain is a Monarchy some what, so higher chance of starting vs some MP from the UK saying I would like to see direct flights from London to Khartoum.


Who said anything about an MP from the U.K.?!

The guy is coming to Houston to drum up investment. You don’t see how saying “Oh yeah, we may think about possibly doing that one day” is about as meaningless as it comes?

But, as you’ve proven a couple times, that doesn’t stop people from biting.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:45 pm

1836Sam wrote:
LH658 wrote:
1836Sam wrote:

The direct quote: “looking at the possibility of direct flights to Houston,” not “intentions of starting flights.”

It’s really a throwaway quote. No different than any other political delegation issuing resolutions of support for nonstop service to Houston.


Difference is Bahrain is a Monarchy some what, so higher chance of starting vs some MP from the UK saying I would like to see direct flights from London to Khartoum.


Who said anything about an MP from the U.K.?!

The guy is coming to Houston to drum up investment. You don’t see how saying “Oh yeah, we may think about possibly doing that one day” is about as meaningless as it comes?

But, as you’ve proven a couple times, that doesn’t stop people from biting.


I was making a comparison. Yes he is coming to Texas, to bring energy companies to the table opportunity of Bahrain energy sector, and also if it can happen, maybe getting a direct flight started between the 2 cities, if those companies are willing to send their workers on GF.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:16 pm

LH658 wrote:
1836Sam wrote:
LH658 wrote:

Difference is Bahrain is a Monarchy some what, so higher chance of starting vs some MP from the UK saying I would like to see direct flights from London to Khartoum.


Who said anything about an MP from the U.K.?!

The guy is coming to Houston to drum up investment. You don’t see how saying “Oh yeah, we may think about possibly doing that one day” is about as meaningless as it comes?

But, as you’ve proven a couple times, that doesn’t stop people from biting.


I was making a comparison. Yes he is coming to Texas, to bring energy companies to the table opportunity of Bahrain energy sector, and also if it can happen, maybe getting a direct flight started between the 2 cities, if those companies are willing to send their workers on GF.


gulf air has stated that the next 787's will have crew rest areas so they could operate to the US in 2020. coupled with this statement, it makes a lot of sense.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:25 pm

Did EK randomly downgrade back to the 77W or was this scheduled? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ek211
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:45 pm

A380 due back may 22nd I believe
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:22 pm

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A380 due back may 22nd I believe

Is this because of the runway closure at DXB?
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:12 pm

I would like to see these 2 cities connected to IAH. HKG I know there are lots inexpensive fares chasing HKG, but a nonstop could get a premium and the other is ZUR. As far as ICN, Korean already tried that once, may be second time is the charm.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:26 pm

hohd wrote:
I would like to see these 2 cities connected to IAH. HKG I know there are lots inexpensive fares chasing HKG, but a nonstop could get a premium and the other is ZUR. As far as ICN, Korean already tried that once, may be second time is the charm.


UA or OZ could add IAH-ICN nonstop service, and UA would be able to connect passengers onto OZ flights from IAH at ICN if UA adds IAH-ICN nonstop service.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:43 pm

jplatts wrote:
hohd wrote:
I would like to see these 2 cities connected to IAH. HKG I know there are lots inexpensive fares chasing HKG, but a nonstop could get a premium and the other is ZUR. As far as ICN, Korean already tried that once, may be second time is the charm.


UA or OZ could add IAH-ICN nonstop service, and UA would be able to connect passengers onto OZ flights from IAH at ICN if UA adds IAH-ICN nonstop service.


I've long thought that OZ was the better carrier for this route, but given their financial issues and lack of aircraft, it will probably have to be UA. Seems like a natural 787 route, but I don't see it happening soon unfortunately.

ZRH and HKG both seem like long shots for now, not sure what traffic would drive these routes. Swiss doesn't really bring anything that UA doesn't get from LH, and the local market from Houston to Hong Kong is small.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:11 pm

jplatts wrote:
WN announced Sunday-only nonstop service to AMA from HOU starting on October 6th, and the announcement can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.

There are still some more domestic nonstop routes such as HOU-CVG, HOU-CLE, HOU-DTW, HOU-RSW, HOU-MSP, HOU-ONT, HOU-SFO, and HOU-PBI that could be added by WN out of HOU.


I would really like to see WN bring back HOU-EWR, once or twice daily.


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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:33 pm

YoungDon wrote:
jplatts wrote:
hohd wrote:
I would like to see these 2 cities connected to IAH. HKG I know there are lots inexpensive fares chasing HKG, but a nonstop could get a premium and the other is ZUR. As far as ICN, Korean already tried that once, may be second time is the charm.


UA or OZ could add IAH-ICN nonstop service, and UA would be able to connect passengers onto OZ flights from IAH at ICN if UA adds IAH-ICN nonstop service.


I've long thought that OZ was the better carrier for this route, but given their financial issues and lack of aircraft, it will probably have to be UA. Seems like a natural 787 route, but I don't see it happening soon unfortunately.

ZRH and HKG both seem like long shots for now, not sure what traffic would drive these routes. Swiss doesn't really bring anything that UA doesn't get from LH, and the local market from Houston to Hong Kong is small.


I would have loved that but given OZ’s financial troubles and the fact they couldn’t make ORD work even with 4.5 times the O&D, IAH is out of the question.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:26 pm

YoungDon wrote:
jplatts wrote:
hohd wrote:
I would like to see these 2 cities connected to IAH. HKG I know there are lots inexpensive fares chasing HKG, but a nonstop could get a premium and the other is ZUR. As far as ICN, Korean already tried that once, may be second time is the charm.


UA or OZ could add IAH-ICN nonstop service, and UA would be able to connect passengers onto OZ flights from IAH at ICN if UA adds IAH-ICN nonstop service.


I've long thought that OZ was the better carrier for this route, but given their financial issues and lack of aircraft, it will probably have to be UA. Seems like a natural 787 route, but I don't see it happening soon unfortunately.

ZRH and HKG both seem like long shots for now, not sure what traffic would drive these routes. Swiss doesn't really bring anything that UA doesn't get from LH, and the local market from Houston to Hong Kong is small.

I think ZRH or BRU will be the next European destinations at IAH. BRU for Africa connections and ZRH for pharma with TMC.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:00 am

TWA772LR wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
jplatts wrote:

UA or OZ could add IAH-ICN nonstop service, and UA would be able to connect passengers onto OZ flights from IAH at ICN if UA adds IAH-ICN nonstop service.


I've long thought that OZ was the better carrier for this route, but given their financial issues and lack of aircraft, it will probably have to be UA. Seems like a natural 787 route, but I don't see it happening soon unfortunately.

ZRH and HKG both seem like long shots for now, not sure what traffic would drive these routes. Swiss doesn't really bring anything that UA doesn't get from LH, and the local market from Houston to Hong Kong is small.

I think ZRH or BRU will be the next European destinations at IAH. BRU for Africa connections and ZRH for pharma with TMC.


IAH-ZRH isn’t a big market.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:09 am

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I would really like to see WN bring back HOU-EWR, once or twice daily.


I agree that WN bringing back HOU-EWR nonstop service might possibly happen since (a) WN recently brought back BNA-EWR nonstop service, (b) WN has already announced plans to bring back BWI-EWR nonstop service, and (c) EWR is one of the top destinations traveled to from HOU that isn't currently served nonstop from EWR.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:18 am

https://www.mysanantonio.com/business/b ... 281158.php
2019 shaping up to be a good year for IAH and HOU.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:28 pm

Apologies if this has been posted already but I see that the IAH-LFW flight on ET is finally starting in December. Hopefully, it actually starts this time.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:22 am

WN had said in today's earnings call that it is planning on significantly expanding its HOU operation.

In addition to the already-announced HOU-CZM nonstop route, I could see WN adding HOU-CLE, HOU-DTW, and HOU-MSP nonstop service as CLE, DTW, and MSP are some of the top domestic destinations (by PDEW's out of IAH/HOU) that aren't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN had also previously stated that it was considering adding HOU-CLE nonstop service 2 years ago.

While WN has seasonal nonstop service to SEA and PDX out of HOU, WN could extend HOU-SEA, HOU-PDX, HOU-SMF, and HOU-PHL nonstop service to year-round as these 4 routes are four of the top routes out of Houston that do not have year-round nonstop service out of HOU on WN. In addition, UA is also currently the only airline having year-round nonstop service to PDX out of the IAH/HOU market whereas SEA has year-round nonstop service out of IAH on AS in addition to UA.

WN could also increase HOU-LBB nonstop service to daily nonstop service from Sunday-only nonstop service as LBB is one of the top destinations without daily nonstop service out of HOU on WN.

Other domestic nonstop routes that could be added by WN out of HOU include HOU-BUF, HOU-CVG, HOU-RSW, HOU-ORF, and HOU-PBI.

WN adding HOU-NAS nonstop service is a possibility with HOU being one of WN's major international gateways and with NAS being one of the few international destinations already served by WN that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from HOU.

While SFO is one of the top destinations (by PDEW's out of IAH/HOU) that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from HOU, WN is unlikely to add HOU-SFO nonstop service with (a) WN permanently discontinuing AUS-SFO and DAL-SFO nonstop service in January 2020, (b) WN already serving OAK and SJC in the San Francisco Bay Area nonstop from HOU, and (c) WN having recently increasing HOU-OAK nonstop service to 3 daily nonstops from 2 daily nonstops.

Which adds are likely to happen on WN out of HOU (other than the already-announced HOU-CZM nonstop service), given WN's plans to significantly expand its HOU operation?
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:53 am

More international, in my opinion. Possibly a return to MEX with adds to PTY, GDL, SAL, GUA, MGA, and TGU.

A few adds on the domestic side, with most of the destinations going from seasonal to year round and a few adds like SFO, DTW, and MSP, along with others.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:17 pm

Looking at flightstats, United currently operates about 520 daily departures from IAH. That's practically the same number of departures as their peak from this summer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's quite an increase from the same period last year. I remember there were days when they didn't hit 500 departures.

Not only are there frequency increases, mainline service has also increased on many routes. IAH-DFW, IAH-DCA, IAH-ATL used to be all UAX in the past. Currently, about half of the frequencies on IAH-DFW and IAH-DCA are mainline. Notably, IAH-LAX service is down to just 9x daily, while it was around 10-11x about 2 years ago.

Do you think UA at IAH will continue to grow next summer? Or are these just seasonal increases for Latin America/Florida high season? If the 737 MAX comes back, I could see more mainline service.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:12 pm

jplatts wrote:
WN had said in today's earnings call that it is planning on significantly expanding its HOU operation.

In addition to the already-announced HOU-CZM nonstop route, I could see WN adding HOU-CLE, HOU-DTW, and HOU-MSP nonstop service as CLE, DTW, and MSP are some of the top domestic destinations (by PDEW's out of IAH/HOU) that aren't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN had also previously stated that it was considering adding HOU-CLE nonstop service 2 years ago.

While WN has seasonal nonstop service to SEA and PDX out of HOU, WN could extend HOU-SEA, HOU-PDX, HOU-SMF, and HOU-PHL nonstop service to year-round as these 4 routes are four of the top routes out of Houston that do not have year-round nonstop service out of HOU on WN. In addition, UA is also currently the only airline having year-round nonstop service to PDX out of the IAH/HOU market whereas SEA has year-round nonstop service out of IAH on AS in addition to UA.

WN could also increase HOU-LBB nonstop service to daily nonstop service from Sunday-only nonstop service as LBB is one of the top destinations without daily nonstop service out of HOU on WN.

Other domestic nonstop routes that could be added by WN out of HOU include HOU-BUF, HOU-CVG, HOU-RSW, HOU-ORF, and HOU-PBI.

WN adding HOU-NAS nonstop service is a possibility with HOU being one of WN's major international gateways and with NAS being one of the few international destinations already served by WN that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from HOU.

While SFO is one of the top destinations (by PDEW's out of IAH/HOU) that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from HOU, WN is unlikely to add HOU-SFO nonstop service with (a) WN permanently discontinuing AUS-SFO and DAL-SFO nonstop service in January 2020, (b) WN already serving OAK and SJC in the San Francisco Bay Area nonstop from HOU, and (c) WN having recently increasing HOU-OAK nonstop service to 3 daily nonstops from 2 daily nonstops.

Which adds are likely to happen on WN out of HOU (other than the already-announced HOU-CZM nonstop service), given WN's plans to significantly expand its HOU operation?


ORF maybe? Seems like some potential since UA just went mainline to IAH.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:21 pm

theasianguy wrote:
Looking at flightstats, United currently operates about 520 daily departures from IAH. That's practically the same number of departures as their peak from this summer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's quite an increase from the same period last year. I remember there were days when they didn't hit 500 departures.

Not only are there frequency increases, mainline service has also increased on many routes. IAH-DFW, IAH-DCA, IAH-ATL used to be all UAX in the past. Currently, about half of the frequencies on IAH-DFW and IAH-DCA are mainline. Notably, IAH-LAX service is down to just 9x daily, while it was around 10-11x about 2 years ago.

Do you think UA at IAH will continue to grow next summer? Or are these just seasonal increases for Latin America/Florida high season? If the 737 MAX comes back, I could see more mainline service.


One thing I have noticed is that while UA has reduced frequency on some routes they have also increased equipment size. Routes like TYS, HSV, SAV, and ICT which were all ERJs a few months ago are now seeing the E7W. Id personally gladly sacrifice a frequency for the larger RJ.

It looks like IAH-PBI is year round now. As for Latin America, it will depend on Polaris updates. UA is using aircraft without Polaris on IAH-South America. The 764 doesnt have Polaris equipment so its at IAH for now.
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