It's a large part why I chose the DL flight up to BTV, to get on DLs 737, it's for DL kinda of one of a kind in a sense.

And yes, can't say date(s), but both 737 and MD-88 have been used to BTV in past for a brief period of time.

Did Pre-merger AA ever serve PWM and or BGR?

sargester wrote:

Did Pre-merger AA ever serve PWM and or BGR?

Not sure on AA but TWA did have a STL-BDL-PWM-BDL-STL route in the late 90's to early 2000's.

sargester wrote:

Did Pre-merger AA ever serve PWM and or BGR?

They served both in the early 2000s. American stopped serving PWM in 2002 and BGR sometime around 2007-2008. They obviously came back with the US merger. they went from having no presence at PWM to being the dominant carrier there overnight

Frontier suspending all service at PSM tomorrow. The airline said in a statement that demand "did not materialize to support the service."

https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Front ... 56831.html

Service ends 7/6, they got the month wrong...Fake news lol....

Fex180 wrote:

sargester wrote:

Did Pre-merger AA ever serve PWM and or BGR?

They served both in the early 2000s. American stopped serving PWM in 2002 and BGR sometime around 2007-2008. They obviously came back with the US merger. they went from having no presence at PWM to being the dominant carrier there overnight

were did LAA serve from?

sargester wrote:

Fex180 wrote:

sargester wrote:

Did Pre-merger AA ever serve PWM and or BGR?

They served both in the early 2000s. American stopped serving PWM in 2002 and BGR sometime around 2007-2008. They obviously came back with the US merger. they went from having no presence at PWM to being the dominant carrier there overnight

were did LAA serve from?

The only time PWM had AA pre merger was shortly after BEX became AA Eagle, around 2000/2001 and there were EMB-135 flights to BOS (and perhaps LGA) And very briefly, to ORD Nothing larger then an AA Eagle EMB-145. Prior to then, BEX provided flights to BOS and LGA under an AA codeshare. Along with DL and NW connection feeder flights.

uconn99 wrote:

sargester wrote:

Did Pre-merger AA ever serve PWM and or BGR?

Not sure on AA but TWA did have a STL-BDL-PWM-BDL-STL route in the late 90's to early 2000's.

The flight started in 1998/1999 and only lasted two years. It came in around midnight, RON'd in PWM overnight and left early the next morning. PWM-BDL-STL-ELP. It was an MD-80.

A few notes on the BTV-DEN route:

Today was the first UA flight, and according to a video posted by BTV the arriving flight (A320) was full and there were over 140 passengers on the outgoing flight.

Meanwhile, F9 has added Saturday flights to DEN for the month of June, which I don't believe was part of the original announcement. I'm not sure if that is based on demand or is more of a jab at UA.

Finally, Friday's F9 flight was an A321 although I don't know if that was due to sales or just an unplanned equipment swap.

Looks like F9's Saturday has new flight times too, early night departure from BTV.

Looks like F9's Saturday has new flight times too, early night departure from BTV.

April 2019 Bradley International Airport Passengers-

Total Passengers-

April 2019- 612,053 +5.5%
April 2018- 579,983

YTD- (January - April)

2019- 2,135,848 +3.5%
2018- 2,062,789


Domestic by Airline April 2019 / Percentage Increase/Decrease from 2018-

Southwest- 141,138 (6.2%)
American- 129,826 (5.5%)
Delta- 112,709 +4.5%
jetBlue- 89,694 +20.7%
United- 64,876 +8.6%
Spirit- 54,837 +47.5%
Frontier- 4,337 (Not served in 2018)

International by Airline April 2019-

April 2019 total International- 14,636 +17.7%

Aer Lingus- 7,954 +8.7%
Air Canada- 4,907 +20.9%
Delta (CUN flight)- 1,775 +68.6%

For the BTV watchers, I think everyone knows that AA is all-RJ at BTV for the summer peak season. But I was poking through the schedules and found that AA does a turnabout and brings mainline back on PHL-BTV in early Oct, with 3x/day E190s (in addition to 2x/day RJs). The 3x/day E190s continue into at least Dec.

Meanwhile, DL/UA go all-RJ at BTV by Dec. So strangely enough AA, the only one of the Big-3 legacies to be all-RJ at BTV for the summer peak season, also will be the only one of the Big-3 to have any mainline at BTV when the winter slow season begins.

[url][/url]Drove past PWM on Sunday afternoon. Counted an A320 (UA) 2 A319's (UA and AA), a 737 (WN) and an MD-88 (DL) all cozied up to the terminal at the same time.

Some other Jetport developments:

Mainline DL PWM-LGA has begun. An A319 for the early morning departure and late night return.

F9 has upgauged all MCO flights to A321's. Still 4x weekly through the summer. F9 should be coming out with their winter schedule soon, I wonder if we'll see a PWM-FLL add for the winter season. I wouldn't be surprised given how successful the Florida flights were this winter.

WN is up to 5x daily PWM-BWI for July and August, plus the Saturday MDW flight.

B6 is back for the summer with 3x daily to JFK, based on the seat maps from their booking site it looks like some flights are totally sold out weeks in advance. I wonder what it would take for them to return to year-round service

B595 wrote:

For the BTV watchers, I think everyone knows that AA is all-RJ at BTV for the summer peak season. But I was poking through the schedules and found that AA does a turnabout and brings mainline back on PHL-BTV in early Oct, with 3x/day E190s (in addition to 2x/day RJs). The 3x/day E190s continue into at least Dec.

Do I recall correctly that there was a mention of construction at PHL that might be playing into that?

B595 wrote:

Meanwhile, DL/UA go all-RJ at BTV by Dec. So strangely enough AA, the only one of the Big-3 legacies to be all-RJ at BTV for the summer peak season, also will be the only one of the Big-3 to have any mainline at BTV when the winter slow season begins.

I'm not sure about DL, but I believe UA typically up-gauges BTV from what is originally scheduled. For example, as I recall this summer was either all RJ or just one mainline when I checked a few months ago, but it is now 2x mainline to ORD. As for DL, maybe they are trying to push more connections through JFK to keep up the fight against B6?

Fex180 wrote:

B6 is back for the summer with 3x daily to JFK, based on the seat maps from their booking site it looks like some flights are totally sold out weeks in advance. I wonder what it would take for them to return to year-round service

Based on passenger counts I think it would take them reducing to 2x per day, but apparently they have their reasons for not doing that.

Moody's revises the outlook on Manchester (City of) NH Airport Enterprise to negative; affirms Baa1 revenue bond rating. More Bad news for airport...The revision of the outlook to negative is driven by the renewed loss of enplanement levels at the airport, despite a local economy that is performing well and should be supporting additional service for air carriers. The declining enplanement trend is again forcing the airport to reduce expenses and rely on increased non-commercial aviation related revenue to maintain current financial metrics. The affirmation of the Baa1 rating reflects Moody's expectation that the airport will see only slightly weaker net revenue and debt service coverage ratio in fiscal 2019 given increased revenue and lower debt service requirements due to a refunding of existing bonds earlier in fiscal 2019. The Baa1 rating additionally reflects the airport's weakened market position in the greater Boston metropolitan area as demonstrated by the persistent loss of enplanements to nearby Boston's Logan International Airport (Massachusetts Port Authority, Aa2 stable). The continued enplanement decline has resulted in higher costs for airlines, with cost per enplanement (CPE) at $13.13 in fiscal 2018, more than double the amount in fiscal 2008. The negative outlook reflects the risk that MHT's market position is weakening and credit metrics could also weaken in the event that enplanements continue to decline. Additionally, the continued loss of enplanements would lead to a further increase in CPE which will further weaken the airport's ability to attract or maintain air service. FACTORS THAT COULD LEAD TO A DOWNGRADE

- Deteriorating financial position due to sustained enplanement declines, including DSCRs by net revenues being below 1.1x
- Weakened competitive position resulting in airlines reducing service
- Loss of a signatory airline
- Deterioration of liquidity position with days cash on hand below 300

Just my watching but BTV seems to be doing quite well for Frontier. I think Winter demand to Denver will really exceed expectations if they keep it year round. I bet BTV sticks, they are getting people in those seats and can get a premium for N/S on most flight most days. I can't see why they would leave unless funding dries out, but i don't remember seeing a big package in the first place. Frontier is quick to pull if they don't like what they see.

BTV is in a good location to draw from obviously Vermont, Northern New York, but also Quebec. Denver and Orlando should be able to work. I wouldn't be too surprised to see them try Saturday LAS if things look good.

Disappointing news for MHT, hopefully the new director can turn things around and attract a new airline. Any chance of Frontier starting service now that they are pulling out of Pease?

Portlander wrote:

Disappointing news for MHT, hopefully the new director can turn things around and attract a new airline. Any chance of Frontier starting service now that they are pulling out of Pease?

Interesting to see the New England market shift over the past 15 years. Airports that were once all RJ are now seeing more mainline than ever, where as MHT which used to see 757s regularly can barely support RJs.

It's really too bad that the only real hope MHT has is Moxy...an airline that exists only on paper. As far as the credit rating downgrade, I'm really surprised this didn't happen sooner. The infrastructure (aside from runway/taxiway stuff and ILS, which are both federally funded) was built on much more bullish projections. However, even the airlines that are cutting service at MHT as a means of forcing traffic to BOS (that's what I think, anyway) will need to recognize that even Logan will get maxed out. Water on three sides and East Boston on the fourth does not provide a pathway to grow the footprint at Logan. They are trying to force a gallon into a pint-sized pot. But there WILL be a tipping point, I think, when airlines recognize that they will have to look beyond Logan to serve the booming Boston metro area. And I do think the rather balanced economy within the Boston metro area bodes well for this to happen. Any 'recession' is likely to be mitigated by that balance, which is what I think Delta sees in making BOS a hub.

Portlander wrote:

Disappointing news for MHT, hopefully the new director can turn things around and attract a new airline. Any chance of Frontier starting service now that they are pulling out of Pease?

I initially thought that as well, but I think the problems at MHT run deeper than just lack of service. They're in a vicious cycle of decline that is very hard to break. Right now all their hopes lie in Southwest. If WN continues to cut MHT flights, or leaves entirely, then MHT will be neck-in-neck with BTV for passenger numbers.

I am hoping NK will give MHT some luv. Thinking initial service MHT-MCO,MHT-FLL and MHT-ORD daily service. This is just a hoping nothing more. Perhaps after MAX are flying again WN might add a new service or an additional daily service to existing flights.

Here’s an article on the new North-South terminal connections project at BTV. I thought the following was noteworthy:

“The enclosed ramp will be made from shipping containers, which airport officials also used in February to create a new gateway ramp when Frontier first started operating out of Burlington.”

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/lon ... d=27714050

btvhopper wrote:

Here’s an article on the new North-South terminal connections project at BTV. I thought the following was noteworthy:

“The enclosed ramp will be made from shipping containers, which airport officials also used in February to create a new gateway ramp when Frontier first started operating out of Burlington.”

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/lon ... d=27714050

Better 20 seconds in a shipping container than an extra 20 minutes in a TSA line!...

Anyway, people make houses out of containers, so I'm sure this can look as good as it needs to.

I give credit to the airport. They see a way to improve things, and are doing it pretty quickly. BTV is getting crowded at times, this should really help both the TSA experience and for passengers waiting for delayed flights.

mjgbtv wrote:

Do I recall correctly that there was a mention of construction at PHL that might be playing into that?

Now that you mention it, I have some fuzzy recollection of that, too. Still, interesting to see them come back strong in Oct with 3x/day mainline. Did they run 3x/day E190 last year? Maybe they did, but I want to say we’d have to go back to USAir for that much mainline from them.

mjgbtv wrote:

but I believe UA typically up-gauges BTV from what is originally scheduled.

Interesting, something to watch then. Both for ORD and EWR.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

I wouldn't be too surprised to see them try Saturday LAS if things look good.

Apparently there is a not-insignificant French-Canadian market for LAS; I remember the conversations about this from when Allegiant tried PBG-LAS with the 757. I have a tough time imagining F9 overflying DEN, though. Why cannibalize the DEN route when DEN is ideally geographically positioned for a BTV-DEN-LAS connection? But certainly would be a major event if a nonstop LAS did eventually happen.

AA is upgauging HVN flights to PHL and CLT with all E-175's starting 9-4-2019. Hoping for DL to start flights to DTW.

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airlineworker wrote:

AA is upgauging HVN flights to PHL and CLT with all E-175's starting 9-4-2019. Hoping for DL to start flights to DTW.

By October 3rd their back to 3x CRJ. May be just a place holder for now but something is going on with the PHL hub as BDL drops down to 3x daily in the winter which is usually at least 5-6 daily most times of the year.

Frontier just extended their schedules into March and BTV-MCO is back as of November, but now 4x per week. That is up from 2x or sometimes 3x per week this past winter. DEN appears to be stopping in November. It never seemed clear if this was planned to be seasonal from the beginning or not.

Some chatter elsewhere here about B6 making some cuts (cities, routes) next week. It will be interesting to see whether New England escapes unscathed.

EK77WNH wrote:

Some chatter elsewhere here about B6 making some cuts (cities, routes) next week. It will be interesting to see whether New England escapes unscathed.

Someone posted a list before it was removed, looked like a couple of stations closing and some route changes to provide more service out of BOS, nothing about the rest of New England, I have a feeling the data was confidential and why it was removed so I am not going to repeat what I can remember of it, but certainly only BOS was mentioned out of our world.

mjgbtv wrote:

Frontier just extended their schedules into March and BTV-MCO is back as of November, but now 4x per week. That is up from 2x or sometimes 3x per week this past winter. DEN appears to be stopping in November. It never seemed clear if this was planned to be seasonal from the beginning or not.

DEN was probably intended to be seasonal from the start, same with PWM.

Frontier is bringing back PWM - TPA / RSW . 3x and 4x weekly respectively. MCO is 4x weekly through the winter with A321's. I'm surprised they haven't announced any new routes out of BTV or PWM.

uconn99 wrote:

April 2019 Bradley International Airport Passengers-

Total Passengers-

April 2019- 612,053 +5.5%
April 2018- 579,983

YTD- (January - April)

2019- 2,135,848 +3.5%
2018- 2,062,789


Domestic by Airline April 2019 / Percentage Increase/Decrease from 2018-

Southwest- 141,138 (6.2%)
American- 129,826 (5.5%)
Delta- 112,709 +4.5%
jetBlue- 89,694 +20.7%
United- 64,876 +8.6%
Spirit- 54,837 +47.5%
Frontier- 4,337 (Not served in 2018)

International by Airline April 2019-

April 2019 total International- 14,636 +17.7%

Aer Lingus- 7,954 +8.7%
Air Canada- 4,907 +20.9%
Delta (CUN flight)- 1,775 +68.6%

Looks like solid growth from every airline serving BDL. I’m thinking Delta may want to look at upping frequency on that CUN flight. I’m going to go with my better judgement and say that the route is popular. I’m also going to use that same judgement and say that Spirit is doing pretty well at BDL.

As for HVN....would the A220 help bring in service to counter all the runway extension drama?

CairnterriAIR wrote:

uconn99 wrote:

April 2019 Bradley International Airport Passengers-

Total Passengers-

April 2019- 612,053 +5.5%
April 2018- 579,983

YTD- (January - April)

2019- 2,135,848 +3.5%
2018- 2,062,789


Domestic by Airline April 2019 / Percentage Increase/Decrease from 2018-

Southwest- 141,138 (6.2%)
American- 129,826 (5.5%)
Delta- 112,709 +4.5%
jetBlue- 89,694 +20.7%
United- 64,876 +8.6%
Spirit- 54,837 +47.5%
Frontier- 4,337 (Not served in 2018)

International by Airline April 2019-

April 2019 total International- 14,636 +17.7%

Aer Lingus- 7,954 +8.7%
Air Canada- 4,907 +20.9%
Delta (CUN flight)- 1,775 +68.6%

Looks like solid growth from every airline serving BDL. I’m thinking Delta may want to look at upping frequency on that CUN flight. I’m going to go with my better judgement and say that the route is popular. I’m also going to use that same judgement and say that Spirit is doing pretty well at BDL.

As for HVN....would the A220 help bring in service to counter all the runway extension drama?

AA's CRJ-700 and E-175 are doing quite well at HVN. I would think the DL A220-100 could do DTW and ATL with the current runway, a few months ago at the monthly airport meeting it was mentioned that the last obstruction to the north of runway 2-20 was close to being taken down which should help on runway 20 landings and takeoffs on runway 2.

MHT numbers are out and its not good for April. Down 13% over last year. 152536 vs 176855 . SWA had a 14% drop over 2018...PWM did 158725 vs 152924. PWM's 2018 numbers are close to MHT's 2019 April numbers...when is the slide going to end.

Took the F9 BTV-DEN flight on Monday, it was about 90-93% LF.

With this flight and one AA flight to CLT, the entire S. side of BTV was slammed to the gills.

paysonmt77 wrote:

MHT numbers are out and its not good for April. Down 13% over last year. 152536 vs 176855 . SWA had a 14% drop over 2018...PWM did 158725 vs 152924. PWM's 2018 numbers are close to MHT's 2019 April numbers...when is the slide going to end.

While all eyes are on pax numbers freight is up 15% year to date witch is nice to see. Definitely hoping to see the passenger numbers turn around.

paysonmt77 wrote:

MHT numbers are out and its not good for April. Down 13% over last year. 152536 vs 176855 . SWA had a 14% drop over 2018...PWM did 158725 vs 152924. PWM's 2018 numbers are close to MHT's 2019 April numbers...when is the slide going to end.

Maybe F9 leaving PSM is a precursor to them starting at MHT. That could be their saving grace

Fex180 wrote:

paysonmt77 wrote:

MHT numbers are out and its not good for April. Down 13% over last year. 152536 vs 176855 . SWA had a 14% drop over 2018...PWM did 158725 vs 152924. PWM's 2018 numbers are close to MHT's 2019 April numbers...when is the slide going to end.

Maybe F9 leaving PSM is a precursor to them starting at MHT. That could be their saving grace

For he new director said he’s not a big fan a the way they “dart board” routes and pull out of stations. With that said I hope that he still has talks with F9 to help land them here.

tomaheath wrote:

Fex180 wrote:

paysonmt77 wrote:

MHT numbers are out and its not good for April. Down 13% over last year. 152536 vs 176855 . SWA had a 14% drop over 2018...PWM did 158725 vs 152924. PWM's 2018 numbers are close to MHT's 2019 April numbers...when is the slide going to end.

Maybe F9 leaving PSM is a precursor to them starting at MHT. That could be their saving grace

For he new director said he’s not a big fan a the way they “dart board” routes and pull out of stations. With that said I hope that he still has talks with F9 to help land them here.

I guess this is where the proverbial saying "beggars can't be choosers" applies

As noted in another thread, CapeAir is starting PWM-BOS In September. A bit funny that Portland got BOS service before BTV

Fex180 wrote:

As noted in another thread, CapeAir is starting PWM-BOS In September. A bit funny that Portland got BOS service before BTV

I know the BTV management is laser-focused on getting a Delta CRJ to serve that route. I don’t think they ever sought 9-seat CapAir Cessna; not the niche they’re looking to fill.

I’m still having trouble understanding the new PWM route. CapeAir has only had success when depending on EAS funding or high-demand, difficult-to-get to leisure markets. Don’t see how PWM fits in.

btvhopper wrote:

Fex180 wrote:

As noted in another thread, CapeAir is starting PWM-BOS In September. A bit funny that Portland got BOS service before BTV

I know the BTV management is laser-focused on getting a Delta CRJ to serve that route. I don’t think they ever sought 9-seat CapAir Cessna; not the niche they’re looking to fill.

I’m still having trouble understanding the new PWM route. CapeAir has only had success when depending on EAS funding or high-demand, difficult-to-get to leisure markets. Don’t see how PWM fits in.

As others have said, I think they are hoping to tie into B6's large network at BOS. O&D will be next to nothing on this route, but B6 will offer lots of connecting opportunities.

FlyPNS1 wrote:

btvhopper wrote:

Fex180 wrote:

As noted in another thread, CapeAir is starting PWM-BOS In September. A bit funny that Portland got BOS service before BTV

I know the BTV management is laser-focused on getting a Delta CRJ to serve that route. I don’t think they ever sought 9-seat CapAir Cessna; not the niche they’re looking to fill.

I’m still having trouble understanding the new PWM route. CapeAir has only had success when depending on EAS funding or high-demand, difficult-to-get to leisure markets. Don’t see how PWM fits in.

As others have said, I think they are hoping to tie into B6's large network at BOS. O&D will be next to nothing on this route, but B6 will offer lots of connecting opportunities.

This route is entirely about B6 connections at BOS. Note that it's starting in September, just a few weeks before B6 ends summer service to Portland. I doubt anyone will be using this route for Portland-Boston travel given the abundance of ground transportation linking the two cities. (6x daily Amtrak and hourly bus service)

The skeptical side of me thinks that it might be a precursor to B6 exiting PWM entirely.

I was in BTV yesterday. Frontier had cancelled the Denver flight that day. How do they deal with that? Will they rebook on united or other carriers or do you have to wait for days? Doubt there was room to rebook an entire plane on the next flight.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

I was in BTV yesterday. Frontier had cancelled the Denver flight that day. How do they deal with that? Will they rebook on united or other carriers or do you have to wait for days? Doubt there was room to rebook an entire plane on the next flight.

I think that’s just the downside of depending on ULCC’s. Easy to save a couple hundred bucks, but if they cancel you just get your refund, maybe a complimentary $100 voucher and a “good luck.”

btvhopper wrote:

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

I was in BTV yesterday. Frontier had cancelled the Denver flight that day. How do they deal with that? Will they rebook on united or other carriers or do you have to wait for days? Doubt there was room to rebook an entire plane on the next flight.

I think that’s just the downside of depending on ULCC’s. Easy to save a couple hundred bucks, but if they cancel you just get your refund, maybe a complimentary $100 voucher and a “good luck.”

I don't know if it is related, but UA is flying a 738 and an A320 to DEN this weekend instead of the A320 and A319 they used the past couple of weeks. Maybe grabbing a few of those F9 passengers.

I am partially based in BDL for a few months due to work, here are a few observations/questions I have:
1. What happened to the BDL-SFO flight? I could have sworn UA offered that route, was trying to fly it in a couple weeks but instead I have to connect in MSP & CLT
2. A bit surprised to see that there isn't any BDL-SEA service, you would think the PDEW and UTC-Boeing connection would have got some carrier interested
3. 1x daily to DFW? I'm guessing that is MAX related, but even 2x seems small
4. Central US + West Coast traffic seems lacking, but West coast is well served

I am guessing a lot of this boils down to catchment area, given BDL has sizable corporate traffic, since BDL is surrounded on all sides by ORH, HVN, PVD, BOS, HPN, e.t.c

Does frontier book on other airlines or just refund on a cancellation?

They are not getting you to the destination on the day you confirmed and it's not weather or atc related cancellation? I thought they were obligated to accommodate you in this case doesn't matter it it's ULCC or not. They don't have to book you on another airline but I thought they have to pay for your hotel/food until they can get you out there? I wonder if frontier did put people on united since they used larger planes than usual?