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rnav2dlrey wrote:SY (sun country) will begin BNA-PVD in the summer. they’re also announcing BNA-LAX/PDX; i wonder if there will be connection opportunities in BNA.
btvhopper wrote:BTVB6Flyer wrote:Does anyone know what gate F9 is using at BTV?
I imagine something in the South terminal (Delta and Jetblue) as there should be more space there. I did notice the airport is purchasing another passenger bridge in the next month or two so I'm wondering if that's for F9.
uconn99 wrote:Looks like Frontier is adding BDL-RDU. I wonder if Delta responds at all? This route has a long history dating back to the old Midway days and has continued being served by someone for at least 20 or more years.
bdlflyer wrote:Frontier is adding BDL - MCO; seasonal starting May 1, 2019. Makes me wonder what other seasonal adds is Frontier going to throw from BDL? (Montego Bay is saying pick me - lol). I am concerned, Frontier does not have the best track record of sticking around.
HVNandrew wrote:I think this is the first season in...ages (since the early 90s?) that DL has not run BDL-MCO in any capacity whatsoever, no even Saturday-only. Makes sense to have another carrier step in.
Novaboy2525 wrote:HVNandrew wrote:I think this is the first season in...ages (since the early 90s?) that DL has not run BDL-MCO in any capacity whatsoever, no even Saturday-only. Makes sense to have another carrier step in.
Delta will be running mainline (717) Saturday only service on BDL/MCO starting March 2nd thru March 30th. Then starting April 6th thru the 27th they will be running CRJ 900 on the route.
First time in a long time I have seen mainline service on the BDL/MCO route!
tomaheath wrote:PVD757 wrote:FYI: top 10 airports with no PVD nonstop service:
LAX
LAS
SAN
MSY
PHX
BNA
SFO
JAX
AUS
MSP
Where can this information be found? Thanks.
Novaboy2525 wrote:Delta will be running mainline (717) Saturday only service on BDL/MCO starting March 2nd thru March 30th. Then starting April 6th thru the 27th they will be running CRJ 900 on the route.
mwearley wrote:tomaheath wrote:PVD757 wrote:FYI: top 10 airports with no PVD nonstop service:
LAX
LAS
SAN
MSY
PHX
BNA
SFO
JAX
AUS
MSP
Where can this information be found? Thanks.
BNA and MSP have had nonstops from PVD in the past. I don't see that service returning anytime soon. DEN would be my wish list.
MO11 wrote:uconn99 wrote:Looks like Frontier is adding BDL-RDU. I wonder if Delta responds at all? This route has a long history dating back to the old Midway days and has continued being served by someone for at least 20 or more years.
Before Midway, AA had 3 727s/day to the RDU hub. There was a break, as American Eagle stopped the route in May 2010 and Delta Connection didn't pick it up until November. It's a high yield route for Delta, so there is no need to respond to bottom feeding.
bdlflyer wrote:Frontier is adding BDL - MCO; seasonal starting May 1, 2019. Makes me wonder what other seasonal adds is Frontier going to throw from BDL? (Montego Bay is saying pick me - lol). I am concerned, Frontier does not have the best track record of sticking around.
btvhopper wrote:UA mainline's load factor was only 73% for November; would BTV be at risk of losing some of the mainline service to EWR or ORD at that level?
kearnet wrote:
VS4ever wrote:BDL - NOV 18 Update
final data: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61t8 ... VRWdmc5SkE
source data: http://www.bradleyairport.com/wp-conten ... umbers.pdf
Data still goes back to 2014 where appropriate.
Month
Total Pax 568,288 4.2% up over 2017, (inbound 282,649 up 3.6%, outbound 285,639 up 4.8%)
2014 vs 2018 up 18.2% from 480,586 to 568,288
Up
B6 6.8% to 71,460 (4,500 increase)
NK 68.8% to 42,856 (17,467 increase)
UA 14.9% to 66,337 (8,606 increase)
EI 7% to 4,779 (311 increase)
Down
AA 3% to 133,509 (4,177 decrease)
DL 0.3% to 111,026 (384 decrease)
WN 0.4% to 134,203 (552 decrease)
DY - gone (1,831 decrease)
AC - 14.6% to 4,118 (703 decrease)
.
In terms of market share:
WN flipped to #1, but only by 700 or so, that said AA are decreasing way quicker, so I expect this to stay the same.
everyone else stayed in the same spots as 2017. NK and B6 have picked up share vs the others
YTD
Total Pax 6,130,687 3.7% up over 2017, (inbound 3,070,743 up 3.8%, outbound 3,059,944 up 3.7%)
2014 vs 2018 up 13.9% from 5,382,624 to 6.130,687
Up
NK - 191.8% to 428,492 (281,623 increase)
UA - 10.1% to 710,654 (64,941 increase)
AC - 4.5% to 56,566 (2,460 increase)
Down
AA - 1% to 1,482,454 (15,377 decrease)
B6 - 2.6% to 772,631 (20,327 decrease)
DL - 1.4% to 1,164,430 (16,432 decrease) (domestic)
WN - 4.2% to 1,417,497 (62,368 decrease)
EI - 1.1% to 78,207 (853 decrease)
DY - gone 13,019 decrease
In terms of market share:
AA continues to hold #1 spot and with the rate of decline of WN, I see that continuing, although they have dropped 4.5% since 2014
WN is #2, they have dropped 5.9% since 2014, although right now they are in no danger of dropping to #3
DL #3 dropped 2% since 2014, no danger of dropping further, dropped 1% 2017 to 2018
B6 #4, increased share by 0.7%, outside risk of getting muscled out by #5 UA who are 62K pax behind and there was an 84k shift in 2017, UA up 0.7% on the year and 3.1% since 2014
NK have grabbed a 7% share inside 2 years, will be interesting to see what happens in 2019.
These numbers will move slightly in 19 because of DY clearing out after March 18
Rolling
Rolling 12 months at the end of October is 6.657m pax which is 3.9% up on this time last year (248K up), end of year is still looking at just a touch under 6.7m for the year, which compares to 6.4m in 2017 and just over 5.9m in 2014, I don't see anything major that's going to change that at this point. It's interesting to note that inbound and outbound are increasing at about the same rate, which would be right given the O&D nature of the airport
Estimates for Pax Counts for Year End 2018
AA - 1.6m (continued losses Dec)
DL - 1.25m
UA - 775k
B6 - 830k
NK- 500K
WN - 1.54m
Int - 160K
Approx guess: 6.66m
As ever, any questions, let me know.
uconn99 wrote:VS4ever wrote:BDL - NOV 18 Update
final data: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61t8 ... VRWdmc5SkE
source data: http://www.bradleyairport.com/wp-conten ... umbers.pdf
Data still goes back to 2014 where appropriate.
Month
Total Pax 568,288 4.2% up over 2017, (inbound 282,649 up 3.6%, outbound 285,639 up 4.8%)
2014 vs 2018 up 18.2% from 480,586 to 568,288
Up
B6 6.8% to 71,460 (4,500 increase)
NK 68.8% to 42,856 (17,467 increase)
UA 14.9% to 66,337 (8,606 increase)
EI 7% to 4,779 (311 increase)
Down
AA 3% to 133,509 (4,177 decrease)
DL 0.3% to 111,026 (384 decrease)
WN 0.4% to 134,203 (552 decrease)
DY - gone (1,831 decrease)
AC - 14.6% to 4,118 (703 decrease)
.
In terms of market share:
WN flipped to #1, but only by 700 or so, that said AA are decreasing way quicker, so I expect this to stay the same.
everyone else stayed in the same spots as 2017. NK and B6 have picked up share vs the others
YTD
Total Pax 6,130,687 3.7% up over 2017, (inbound 3,070,743 up 3.8%, outbound 3,059,944 up 3.7%)
2014 vs 2018 up 13.9% from 5,382,624 to 6.130,687
Up
NK - 191.8% to 428,492 (281,623 increase)
UA - 10.1% to 710,654 (64,941 increase)
AC - 4.5% to 56,566 (2,460 increase)
Down
AA - 1% to 1,482,454 (15,377 decrease)
B6 - 2.6% to 772,631 (20,327 decrease)
DL - 1.4% to 1,164,430 (16,432 decrease) (domestic)
WN - 4.2% to 1,417,497 (62,368 decrease)
EI - 1.1% to 78,207 (853 decrease)
DY - gone 13,019 decrease
In terms of market share:
AA continues to hold #1 spot and with the rate of decline of WN, I see that continuing, although they have dropped 4.5% since 2014
WN is #2, they have dropped 5.9% since 2014, although right now they are in no danger of dropping to #3
DL #3 dropped 2% since 2014, no danger of dropping further, dropped 1% 2017 to 2018
B6 #4, increased share by 0.7%, outside risk of getting muscled out by #5 UA who are 62K pax behind and there was an 84k shift in 2017, UA up 0.7% on the year and 3.1% since 2014
NK have grabbed a 7% share inside 2 years, will be interesting to see what happens in 2019.
These numbers will move slightly in 19 because of DY clearing out after March 18
Rolling
Rolling 12 months at the end of October is 6.657m pax which is 3.9% up on this time last year (248K up), end of year is still looking at just a touch under 6.7m for the year, which compares to 6.4m in 2017 and just over 5.9m in 2014, I don't see anything major that's going to change that at this point. It's interesting to note that inbound and outbound are increasing at about the same rate, which would be right given the O&D nature of the airport
Estimates for Pax Counts for Year End 2018
AA - 1.6m (continued losses Dec)
DL - 1.25m
UA - 775k
B6 - 830k
NK- 500K
WN - 1.54m
Int - 160K
Approx guess: 6.66m
As ever, any questions, let me know.
As always, thanks for the great work! I look forward to the PVD analysis when you have it.
2019 may be the first year BDL hits 7 million passengers since 2005 record with F9 coming on board and continued 3-4% growth overall.
jco613 wrote:am I missing something...just tried to book a WN flight to FLL and neither BDL nor PVD (or ISP for that matter) have N/S during the week in July. If this is truly the case, I cannot remember the last time WN didn't fly at least a token daily flight in the summer on these routes.
RL757PVD wrote:jco613 wrote:am I missing something...just tried to book a WN flight to FLL and neither BDL nor PVD (or ISP for that matter) have N/S during the week in July. If this is truly the case, I cannot remember the last time WN didn't fly at least a token daily flight in the summer on these routes.
FLL is doing a major runway project on the north runway this summer which cuts the airport's capacity in half and creates the longest taxi times for WN due to their location on the airport. PVD-FLL will still run sat/sun and I assume the same is true for BDL
mjgbtv wrote:This was mentioned on another discussion, but it seems worth noting here that Frontier will be starting BTV-DEN in February in addition to MCO. It looks like it is 2x/week for a couple of weeks in February, 1x/week for April and May and then 3x/week through the summer.
It also looks like a third weekly MCO flight has been added for the spring break period in March.
btvhopper wrote:Not too are willing to take a 28" seat just to save $50-$100. Unlike B6, F9 is reaching a totally different market.
btvhopper wrote:We all know Quebec travels (at least those that travel to BTV, or PBG for that matter) are very price-sensitive so F9 is probably able to find a market that BTV would otherwise not be able to serve.
B595 wrote:Great marquee route for BTV, they're longest scheduled route ever, by far. Also stands a good chance of giving BTV its first A320 NEO service.btvhopper wrote:We all know Quebec travels (at least those that travel to BTV, or PBG for that matter) are very price-sensitive so F9 is probably able to find a market that BTV would otherwise not be able to serve.
Here's hoping Frontier succeeds where Allegiant failed. From what I understand about Allegiant's business model, they want to sell vacation packages first and foremost, with airfare just one part of the bundle, and if package sales aren't up to standard then they will cut and run, even if the airfare receipts are respectable. Frontier, on the other hand, wants to be an airline first and foremost. Perhaps this difference will give BTV a better chance with Frontier. Will be interesting to watch.
chrisnh wrote:The thing about Frontier, at least in my view, is that they aren't reluctant to ditch routes that 'underperform.' The worst case scenario is that Frontier does as people fear...they push JetBlue out. Then, they leave themselves.