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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:08 pm
by paysonmt77
Some interesting things going on in the aviation world, Elite Airways out of Portland is helping re launch Midwest Express by suppling planes, staff etc until they become self sufficient. More to come on this in the coming weeks. There is also chatter on the board about AA making new route announcements and one is service to DFW from PWM. PVD is also mentioned to DFW. So lets wait and see if this becomes true.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:16 pm
by paysonmt77
On a note on the expanded CLT.
Looking at a sample on Feb vacation week, BTV-CLT 2x CRJ-900, MHT-CLT 4X CRJ-900, PWM-CLT 3X A-319.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:21 pm
by Portlander
I've also heard earlier this year that AA has been considering service to DFW from PWM. Would be a great addition to Portland's non stop destinations if it materializes.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:33 pm
by Portlander
IAH from PWM has also been in the rumor mill recently.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:09 pm
by Fex180
paysonmt77 wrote:
On a note on the expanded CLT.
PWM-CLT 3X A-319.


seems like PWM-CLT is 3x daily A319 indefinitely after mid-December. Big bump in capacity. Also looks like PWM-PHL is staying at 6x daily through the winter, with 2 daily mainline flights.

Overall, it seems like AA is really pushing to grow at PWM. DFW or MIA seem like realistic next steps for AA in Portland. I also wouldn't be surprised to see mainline flights between PWM-DCA, since that route currently runs 5x daily with E-175's

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:54 pm
by mjgbtv
BTV is going to have the unusual distinction today of seeing all three of B6's current aircraft models today. B6 34 arrived early this morning with an A320 and B6 1634 is currently en-route with an A321 (Mint even!) I assume this is for recovery from the recent weather problems.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:02 pm
by RL757PVD
Fex180 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
On a note on the expanded CLT.
PWM-CLT 3X A-319.


seems like PWM-CLT is 3x daily A319 indefinitely after mid-December. Big bump in capacity. Also looks like PWM-PHL is staying at 6x daily through the winter, with 2 daily mainline flights.

Overall, it seems like AA is really pushing to grow at PWM. DFW or MIA seem like realistic next steps for AA in Portland. I also wouldn't be surprised to see mainline flights between PWM-DCA, since that route currently runs 5x daily with E-175's


AA's schedule is not finalized for December yet so anything after 12/1 take as a grain of salt for now.

One thing that AA seems to be doing is enhanced peak day flying... PVD-PHL has a 3rd mainline that operates M/Th/F with the evening flight being a larger RJ on those days as well which makes sense as tues/wed are softer demand days.

As for MIA... I wouldnt get too excited AA isnt re-adding PVD/BUF it seems after both did decently well (could also be a result of the Max cuts as the max is heavily based in Miami).

As for mainline DCA and DFW, i'll be shocked if it shows up at PWM before PVD (PVD-DCA has even more lift than BDL).

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:44 pm
by Fex180
RL757PVD wrote:
Fex180 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
On a note on the expanded CLT.
PWM-CLT 3X A-319.


seems like PWM-CLT is 3x daily A319 indefinitely after mid-December. Big bump in capacity. Also looks like PWM-PHL is staying at 6x daily through the winter, with 2 daily mainline flights.

Overall, it seems like AA is really pushing to grow at PWM. DFW or MIA seem like realistic next steps for AA in Portland. I also wouldn't be surprised to see mainline flights between PWM-DCA, since that route currently runs 5x daily with E-175's


AA's schedule is not finalized for December yet so anything after 12/1 take as a grain of salt for now.

One thing that AA seems to be doing is enhanced peak day flying... PVD-PHL has a 3rd mainline that operates M/Th/F with the evening flight being a larger RJ on those days as well which makes sense as tues/wed are softer demand days.

As for MIA... I wouldnt get too excited AA isnt re-adding PVD/BUF it seems after both did decently well (could also be a result of the Max cuts as the max is heavily based in Miami).

As for mainline DCA and DFW, i'll be shocked if it shows up at PWM before PVD (PVD-DCA has even more lift than BDL).


I would imagine that DFW-PVD/PWM would be announced at the same time, since both seem like highly probable adds for AA in the near future. I'm virtually sure that it would be summer seasonal, but it seems like AA is doing a better job maintaining a robust year round presence at PWM than any other carrier.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:33 pm
by PVDspotting
Don't think this is much of a surprise but Sun Country is canceling PVD-PUJ before it even started.
https://www.providencejournal.com/artic ... /190809349

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:36 pm
by Portlander
^ Agree with your assessment with AA. Delta goes into hibernation again this winter at PWM. One mainline to ATL, 3 RJ's to LGA, 2 RJ's to DTW and 2 RJ's to JFK for a grand total of 8 daily flights.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:59 pm
by BTVB6Flyer
PVDspotting wrote:
Don't think this is much of a surprise but Sun Country is canceling PVD-PUJ before it even started.
https://www.providencejournal.com/artic ... /190809349


Gonna have to assume the recent events in Punta Cana played a role in that.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:22 pm
by ssteve
mjgbtv wrote:
BTV is going to have the unusual distinction today of seeing all three of B6's current aircraft models today. B6 34 arrived early this morning with an A320 and B6 1634 is currently en-route with an A321 (Mint even!) I assume this is for recovery from the recent weather problems.


It's good to know they might upgauge that midday flight to help some folks out. My family of 4 drove JFK-BTV this past Sunday because Jetblue got us to NYC at 8am with no seats available until the 11pm flight.

After a redeye from SEA, no way we're not getting the kids in bed on time Sunday night. Reminds me I have to file a compensation claim. Wasn't weather related... just gate constrained incompetence in SEA.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:24 pm
by LotsaRunway
Fex180 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
Fex180 wrote:

seems like PWM-CLT is 3x daily A319 indefinitely after mid-December. Big bump in capacity. Also looks like PWM-PHL is staying at 6x daily through the winter, with 2 daily mainline flights.

Overall, it seems like AA is really pushing to grow at PWM. DFW or MIA seem like realistic next steps for AA in Portland. I also wouldn't be surprised to see mainline flights between PWM-DCA, since that route currently runs 5x daily with E-175's


AA's schedule is not finalized for December yet so anything after 12/1 take as a grain of salt for now.

One thing that AA seems to be doing is enhanced peak day flying... PVD-PHL has a 3rd mainline that operates M/Th/F with the evening flight being a larger RJ on those days as well which makes sense as tues/wed are softer demand days.

As for MIA... I wouldnt get too excited AA isnt re-adding PVD/BUF it seems after both did decently well (could also be a result of the Max cuts as the max is heavily based in Miami).

As for mainline DCA and DFW, i'll be shocked if it shows up at PWM before PVD (PVD-DCA has even more lift than BDL).


I would imagine that DFW-PVD/PWM would be announced at the same time, since both seem like highly probable adds for AA in the near future. I'm virtually sure that it would be summer seasonal, but it seems like AA is doing a better job maintaining a robust year round presence at PWM than any other carrier.

While I agree that AA is more stable year-round in terms of capacity, I don't think PWM is all that close to landing DFW service from AA. F9 would be more likely. I would expect PWM to get improved service from AA to ORD before they launch something longer. I also think that PVD is much closer to linking directly with DFW since it's a larger AA station and has had a history of having nonstop service. I don't know if the E175 has the legs for it, but that's what I would expect to see first.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:21 am
by PVDspotting
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
PVDspotting wrote:
Don't think this is much of a surprise but Sun Country is canceling PVD-PUJ before it even started.
https://www.providencejournal.com/artic ... /190809349


Gonna have to assume the recent events in Punta Cana played a role in that.

That would be my guess as well. Couldn't have announced that route at a worse time.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:06 pm
by B595
mjgbtv wrote:
BTV is going to have the unusual distinction today of seeing all three of B6's current aircraft models today. B6 34 arrived early this morning with an A320 and B6 1634 is currently en-route with an A321 (Mint even!) I assume this is for recovery from the recent weather problems.

That same weather delayed the Wed early-am DL BTV-ATL flight by 3h, 615AM to 915AM. Not good for the pax, but it meant we had the rare chance to see the DL 737-700 in broad daylight.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:26 pm
by uconn99
From the OAG thread, looks like Sun Country is dropping some weekly frequencies on PVD-LAS before it begins, no change with the MSY flight.

SY LAS-PVD SEP 0.5>0.3[0] OCT 0.5>0.4[0] NOV 0.6>0.3[0] DEC 0.5>0.2[0]

Also looks like Frontier is down to 1x PVD-RDU in October, I assume this is a seasonal flight?

F9 PVD-RDU OCT 0.5>0.1[0.4]

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:42 pm
by uconn99
2019 is going to be a huge year for cargo at BDL thanks to Amazon as well as UPS and FedEx expanding flights. Most weekdays BDL see's anywhere from 14-20 cargo departure with multiple 767/A300 flights per day from UPS, FedEx, and Amazon. DHL has been sending a 767-200 some days as well, is this Amazon contract work?

The East cargo ramp will eventually be expanded when the car rental facility is complete. The master plan shows parking for (3-4) widebodies and another (5-6) 737 sized A/C on the expanded ramp which will definitely be needed if Amazon plans to add more flights. Right now some mornings see 3 Amazon 767's on the ramp with 1 plane spending most the day at BDL until a late evening departure.

Below is a sample of this past Tuesday 8/6/19 at BDL:

05:26AM B752 Syracuse Hancock Intl (KSYR)
05:58AM B762 Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (KCVG)
06:51AM B752 Albany Intl (KALB)
07:11AM A306 Newark Liberty Intl (KEWR)
07:23AM B752 T. F. Green International (KPVD)
07:35AM B763 Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport (KSDF)
07:54AM C208 Igor I Sikorsky Memorial (KBDR)
08:37AM A306 Memphis Intl (KMEM)
06:34PM B763 Portland Intl (KPDX)
06:57PM B762 Wilmington Air Park (KILN)
07:05PM B763 Buffalo Niagara Intl (KBUF)
07:17PM B763 Wilmington Air Park (KILN)
08:30PM B752 Harrisburg Intl (KMDT)
09:24PM B734 Greater Rochester Intl (KROC)
09:39PM B763 Memphis Intl (KMEM)
09:49PM B763 Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport (KSDF)
09:55PM B752 Philadelphia Intl (KPHL)
09:58PM B752 Chicago/Rockford Intl (KRFD)
10:06PM A306 Indianapolis Intl (KIND)

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:23 pm
by RL757PVD
uconn99 wrote:
From the OAG thread, looks like Sun Country is dropping some weekly frequencies on PVD-LAS before it begins, no change with the MSY flight.

SY LAS-PVD SEP 0.5>0.3[0] OCT 0.5>0.4[0] NOV 0.6>0.3[0] DEC 0.5>0.2[0]

Also looks like Frontier is down to 1x PVD-RDU in October, I assume this is a seasonal flight?

F9 PVD-RDU OCT 0.5>0.1[0.4]


RDU has always been seasonal. F9 looks to be scaling down the RDU operation early this year for a dozen or so routes.

As for PUJ the timing was poor with all the bad press, people are opting for other destinations (AA also dropped one of their MIA PUJ flights in this week’s OAG thread. The flight was made up from an LAS redeye and evening departure which is how the LAS cut fits into it. It was weaker days from LAS (Tuesday and Friday departures) so it would have needed a strong PUJ to compensate.

At least so far SY seems to have more stability and discipline in their route map compared to F9

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:40 pm
by uconn99
PVD finally posted their May numbers:

May 2019- 348,648 (11.2%)
May 2018- 391,843


YTD-

2019- 1,561,616 (9.23%)
2018- 1,720,448


Southwest- 131,757
American- 99,510
Delta- 35,768
United- 25,237
jetBlue- 23,728
Frontier- 17,279
Sun Country- 7,848
Norwegian- 3,887
Allegiant- 2,854
Charters- 393
Air Canada- 387

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:19 pm
by Portlander
21 mainline departures today from PWM to 11 different destinations. Portland has been averaging between 17-22 mainline aircraft and over 50 flights a day during the current peak season which is a nice improvement from few years ago. I know, BOS accomplishes the same amount of activity in a hour and BDL may only need a couple!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:43 pm
by uconn99
Portlander wrote:
21 mainline departures today from PWM to 11 different destinations. Portland has been averaging between 17-22 mainline aircraft and over 50 flights a day during the current peak season which is a nice improvement from few years ago. I know, BOS accomplishes the same amount of activity in a hour and BDL may only need a couple!


Created a quick spreadsheet showing BDL, PVD, and PWM departures for yesterday 8/16/19 at the below links.

BDL-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Mainline Departures- 67
Regional w/First Class- 14
Regional- 8
Total Departures- 89


PVD-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Mainline Departures- 33
Regional w/First Class- 17
Regional- 13
Total Departures- 63


PWM-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Mainline Departures- 18
Regional w/First Class- 22
Regional- 14
Total Departures- 54

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:20 pm
by Portlander
Nice research uconn, didn't realize the gap between BDL and PVD was that large. Am also surprised that PVD only had 9 more departures than PWM. BOS must be off the charts and I would guess over 400 mainline flights daily.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:45 pm
by VS4ever
Portlander wrote:
Nice research uconn, didn't realize the gap between BDL and PVD was that large. Am also surprised that PVD only had 9 more departures than PWM. BOS must be off the charts!


The last official numbers for BOS were June and they were 18,757 departures for the month total. averaged 625 departures a day and if you assume BOS works an average 18 hour day you are looking at 34 an hour.
Domestic jet (assume mainline) was 60% of the total number so 375 a day or 21 an hour
Approximations of course but gives you an idea as a comparison.
August will be higher than this.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:11 pm
by Portlander
^ Thanks, and all accomplished with only three primary runways at different headings unlike ATL with 5 major runways all perfectly aligned east/west. Must be an air controller's nightmare working in Boston, especially keeping track of all of the taxiways and aprons during winter operations.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:43 pm
by uconn99
Portlander wrote:
Nice research uconn, didn't realize the gap between BDL and PVD was that large. Am also surprised that PVD only had 9 more departures than PWM. BOS must be off the charts and I would guess over 400 mainline flights daily.


Granted, this is only for a Friday, flights do vary from day to day. If I have some time Sunday I will try and do a weekly report.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:49 pm
by Portlander
Would be also interesting if you could show the recent comparison between MHT and BTV when you get some free time!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:52 pm
by uconn99
MHT-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Mainline Departures- 11
Regional w/First Class- 13
Regional- 9
Total Departures- 33

Cargo Departures- 4 (4 heavies)
Regional Cargo (Wiggins)- 12
Total Cargo- 16


BTV-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Mainline Departures- 7 (Includes jetBlue E190)
Regional w/First Class- 20
Regional- 10
Total Departures- 37

Cargo Departures- 1
Total Cargo- 1

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:55 pm
by uconn99
Note, the info above may not be 100% accurate. There may be some repositioning flights and diversions that I didn't catch. Please point out any inaccuracies you may find.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:00 pm
by uconn99
Friday August 16th, 2019-

BDL Cargo-

Cargo Departures- 13 (8 heavies)
Regional Cargo (Wiggins)- 1 (BDL used to see a lot more activity from WIggins in the past)
Total Cargo- 14


BOS Cargo-

Cargo Departures- 7 (7 heavies)
Regional Cargo (Wiggins)- 1
Total Cargo- 8


PVD Cargo-

Cargo Departures- 1
Regional Cargo (Wiggins)- 8
Total Cargo- 9


PWM Cargo-

Cargo Departures- 1
Regional Cargo (Wiggins)- 3
Total Cargo- 4

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:22 pm
by Portlander
Thanks uconn, nice snapshot of all of New England's busiest. I included JetBlue's 3 daily E190 flights in PWM's mainline count which is why I had 21 to your 18. Have been told that an aircraft with at least 100 seats falls into the mainline category even though the E190 is technically a regional jet? While MHT is lagging in passenger flights, it's doing very well in the cargo side of things. Hard to believe that Southwest accounts for all of Manchester's mainline except for one Delta flight to ATL. Am also surprised to see that BTV currently has more departures than MHT!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:15 am
by B595
As long as you’re counting Wiggins, BTV has a couple daily Wiggins departures, possibly more or less depending on day of the week.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:57 am
by tomaheath
How many Wiggins departures from Manchester are there? I think it’s a pretty neat little airline buzzing all over the northeast. UPS has increased quite a bit in Manchester some evenings there’s three widebodies on the ramp.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:01 am
by pwm2txlhopper
DL 122, N712TW, flying BOS-EDI just diverted to PWM.

First DL 757 at PWM since 1996. And possibly the first ever scheduled transatlantic divert?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KBOS/KPWM

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:10 am
by Fex180
Noticed an interesting departure from PWM this morning. An old WN 733 (N636WN) flying PWM - KEF. Anyone know anything about this??

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N63 ... /KPWM/BIKF

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:18 am
by EK77WNH
Fex180 wrote:
Noticed an interesting departure from PWM this morning. An old WN 733 (N636WN) flying PWM - KEF. Anyone know anything about this??


All I can guess is that some airline somewhere bought it...and not necessarily Icelandair. KEF just might be a fuel stop along the way to its ultimate destination. It came into PWM from a boneyard in CA.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:14 pm
by Portlander
So what happens to the Edinburgh flight that was diverted to PWM? Will it be able to continue on to EDI this morning from Portland? Can a fully loaded 757 to Scotland take off from PWM's 7200' runway? Will customs need to be brought in to clear the aircraft again? Do the passengers sleep in the terminal, don't think Delta would find many available hotel rooms this time of year locally. Am guessing weather or mechanical issues may have been the reason for the diversion and wonder why the flight didn't continue on to BGR which is better equipped to handle these situations. In addition, I think Portland was fogged in early this morning. The passengers on the flight must be extremely annoyed especially if they have to be bussed or flown (rescue flight) back to Boston if it was mechanical. Sorry about all of the questions but this is a rare occurrence at PWM.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:59 pm
by Portlander
Was just told that the diverted aircraft is actually a 767-300 ER and I'm on my way out the door to take a look at it!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:42 pm
by Portlander
My bad, just got back from the airport and it's just a regular 757-200. My spotter source gave me bad information and I got caught up in the excitement!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:30 pm
by pwm2txlhopper
The divert was N712TW. A second 757 from JFK, N717TW is ferrying up to PWM right now. It’s filed back to JFK.

And no, they wouldn’t have to clear customs since the flight departed from the USA. Just a long night in the terminal. Not sure if they could even get hotel rooms at midnight.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:23 pm
by Portlander
Thanks hopper, I need a better spotter connection.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:28 pm
by airlineworker
[quote="Portlander"]So what happens to the Edinburgh flight that was diverted to PWM? Will it be able to continue on to EDI this morning from Portland? Can a fully loaded 757 to Scotland take off from PWM's 7200' runway? Will customs need to be brought in to clear the aircraft again? Do the passengers sleep in the terminal, don't think Delta would find many available hotel rooms this time of year locally. Am guessing weather or mechanical issues may have been the reason for the diversion and wonder why the flight didn't continue on to BGR which is better equipped to handle these situations. In addition, I think Portland was fogged in early this morning. The passengers on the flight must be extremely annoyed especially if they have to be bussed or flown (rescue flight) back to Boston if it was mechanical. Sorry about all of the questions but this is a rare occurrence at PWM.[/quote

I would think going from west to east and having the tailwinds going across the pond, the 757 should be able to make it as the 757 is great of short runways. its a very popular plane at SNA and its 5700 foot runway.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:34 pm
by EK77WNH
N717TW is indeed on its way to Scotland from PWM right now. The ‘broken’ one is still there.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:02 pm
by Portlander
Thanks for the update EK and you were correct airlineworker. So I learned today that a fairly loaded (pax and fuel) 757 can travel 3000 miles to Edinburgh from PWM utilizing a 7200 foot runway. Did I miss anything guys, does it need to refuel in Ireland or Iceland in order to make it? Maybe it's lighter due to some passengers rebooking on other flights throughout the morning?

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:58 pm
by 33lspotter
Portlander wrote:
Thanks for the update EK and you were correct airlineworker. So I learned today that a fairly loaded (pax and fuel) 757 can travel 3000 miles to Edinburgh from PWM utilizing a 7200 foot runway. Did I miss anything guys, does it need to refuel in Ireland or Iceland in order to make it? Maybe it's lighter due to some passengers rebooking on other flights throughout the morning?


Based on the fact that it is listed as operating PWM – EDI, it would appear that they are not making a stop to refuel. Generally speaking, I feel like 7,200 feet of runway should be more than enough to get a 757 (even one going across the pond) up in the air, even more so considering it’s eastbound. I have said ad nauseam (in other forums) that I used to see BA 747s take off from 9/27 (7,001’) at BOS quite often. Can’t think a 757 would be much different – in fact, with that thrust-weight ratio the 757 might have better performance on such a runway.

Addendum: Would love to see any photos or videos that someone may have captured of the takeoff.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:03 pm
by 33lspotter
Fex180 wrote:
Noticed an interesting departure from PWM this morning. An old WN 733 (N636WN) flying PWM - KEF. Anyone know anything about this??

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N63 ... /KPWM/BIKF


There was one doing the same PWM - KEF routing a couple of weeks ago, too — 8/3 I believe.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:04 pm
by PVDspotting
Portlander wrote:
Thanks for the update EK and you were correct airlineworker. So I learned today that a fairly loaded (pax and fuel) 757 can travel 3000 miles to Edinburgh from PWM utilizing a 7200 foot runway. Did I miss anything guys, does it need to refuel in Ireland or Iceland in order to make it? Maybe it's lighter due to some passengers rebooking on other flights throughout the morning?

No need to refuel, plenty of runway for a 757. 757s depart off BOS 9/27 that's only 7001 feet.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:12 pm
by pwm2txlhopper
Another member found the ATC audio from last night. This diversion was apparently due to a declared emergency from a compressor stall.

Portlander wrote:
Thanks hopper, I need a better spotter connection.



All I did was check Flightaware last night. Noticed the diversion, then went to Flightradar24 and looked up the registration of the diverted flight. Same with the ferry flight this morning.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:17 pm
by pwm2txlhopper
Fex180 wrote:
Noticed an interesting departure from PWM this morning. An old WN 733 (N636WN) flying PWM - KEF. Anyone know anything about this??

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N63 ... /KPWM/BIKF



These were sold to a foreign operator. In Cyprus, if memory is correct?

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:26 pm
by Portlander
Appreciate the wisdom guys, now I feel better about PWM's runway and am pleased that 2 airlines are serving (seasonal) Denver. PVDspotting, do you remember the furthest destination from PVD prior to the runway extension and what aircraft were used?

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:29 pm
by Portlander
hopper, you were accurate. I have a friend who lives near the airport who told me he thought it was a 767 this morning. And like an idiot, I ran out to take photos prior to thinking about the odds!