lat41
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:57 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
Just because people have been talking about runway legnth... look at OGG. Their main runway is 6,995ft. long. This year they will have or have had flights on the following types of planes all to mainland as far as DFW: 772, 77W, 333, 789... it's amazing that that can even happen... blows my mind that these are regularly scheduled everyday.

Winds fairly predictable, weather more stable, and no snow, ice slush or sand to contaminate the runway goes a long way at OGG. These heavies only fly Eastbound and DO have weight limits.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:03 pm

So I was thinking about the comment that PWM is not convenient. In my mind always going south is quicker and shorter than going north anywhere you go. I think everyone thinks the same way. The thought process always tells yourself going down is quicker than going up. The illusion is always going to there. The reality is Portsmouth to Logan is 1 hour and 6 min(63 Miles) on a good day without any traffic on 95 to route 1. Add 30+ min on a bad traffic day. Portsmouth to Manchester Airport is about 50 Min(47 Miles) on the 101 to 93 also depending on traffic. Portsmouth to PWM is about 50 min(48 Miles) and right off the highway. The traffic on rt 1 is always the issue. CJ and Concord help by taking the express bus to Logan. The traffic continues to get worse on rt 1 to the airport, and buses are not immune to traffic ...
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:05 pm

Portsmouth is in an ideal spot for options which at times includes choices out of it's own airport. Personally, I think Portland is very well situated and easy to get to in either direction. Portsmouth residents driving north to utilize Portland is probably limited but I do think that a circle from Sanford and Kennebunkport north select PWM as their airport of choice excluding international flights.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:34 am

B6's June numbers at PWM don't look great. If they have a lackluster summer, and in combination with CapeAir BOS service, I wouldn't be surprised if they end at PWM entirely.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:58 pm

Fex180 wrote:
B6's June numbers at PWM don't look great. If they have a lackluster summer, and in combination with CapeAir BOS service, I wouldn't be surprised if they end at PWM entirely.

Frontier starts new cities off with a bang, throws in a bunch of flights, and after the honeymoon period begins to stumble. This happens all over.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:03 pm

lat41 wrote:
Fex180 wrote:
B6's June numbers at PWM don't look great. If they have a lackluster summer, and in combination with CapeAir BOS service, I wouldn't be surprised if they end at PWM entirely.

Frontier starts new cities off with a bang, throws in a bunch of flights, and after the honeymoon period begins to stumble. This happens all over.


Did frontier cut routes from PWM? I was mentioning JetBlue's 3x daily to JFK during the summer.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:06 pm

Fex180 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Fex180 wrote:
B6's June numbers at PWM don't look great. If they have a lackluster summer, and in combination with CapeAir BOS service, I wouldn't be surprised if they end at PWM entirely.

Frontier starts new cities off with a bang, throws in a bunch of flights, and after the honeymoon period begins to stumble. This happens all over.


Did frontier cut routes from PWM? I was mentioning JetBlue's 3x daily to JFK during the summer.


I don’t think F9 has cut anything from PWM. In fact, if anything, they’ve increased flights at PWM, given that MCO is currently scheduled to be daily this winter with a schedule that I would think many people, especially leisure travelers from the PWM side, likely find desirable (early morning southbound, evening northbound). The seasons for DEN and RDU end in mid-November (the same time they ended last year), which is the same time that the seasonal TPA and RSW flights will resume (TPA 3x weekly, RSW 4x weekly).
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:21 am

F9LASDEN wrote:

I don’t think F9 has cut anything from PWM. In fact, if anything, they’ve increased flights at PWM, given that MCO is currently scheduled to be daily this winter with a schedule that I would think many people, especially leisure travelers from the PWM side, likely find desirable (early morning southbound, evening northbound). The seasons for DEN and RDU end in mid-November (the same time they ended last year), which is the same time that the seasonal TPA and RSW flights will resume (TPA 3x weekly, RSW 4x weekly).


wasn't aware MCO had gone daily, or that RSW was up to 4x weekly.

That is A LOT of lift to Florida, a lot of these flights are on 321's too. I don't doubt that there is strong ME/NH- Florida demand in winter, but I don't know if there is THAT much demand.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:19 pm

Fex180 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:

I don’t think F9 has cut anything from PWM. In fact, if anything, they’ve increased flights at PWM, given that MCO is currently scheduled to be daily this winter with a schedule that I would think many people, especially leisure travelers from the PWM side, likely find desirable (early morning southbound, evening northbound). The seasons for DEN and RDU end in mid-November (the same time they ended last year), which is the same time that the seasonal TPA and RSW flights will resume (TPA 3x weekly, RSW 4x weekly).


wasn't aware MCO had gone daily, or that RSW was up to 4x weekly.

That is A LOT of lift to Florida, a lot of these flights are on 321's too. I don't doubt that there is strong ME/NH- Florida demand in winter, but I don't know if there is THAT much demand.


Looks like we may have spoken too soon. Frontier's originally-planned-as daily MCO service from PWM has been cut to 3-4x weekly for the winter (similar frequency to the other seasonal Florida routes...which seems to be a bit more sustainable).
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:13 pm

Looks like F9 extended the DEN flight from BTV through the winter and into Spring 2x weekly.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:25 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Looks like F9 extended the DEN flight from BTV through the winter and into Spring 2x weekly.


Are you sure? in January, they will sell it to you but as a connection via MCO... an overnight connection at that...
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:30 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Looks like F9 extended the DEN flight from BTV through the winter and into Spring 2x weekly.


Are you sure? in January, they will sell it to you but as a connection via MCO... an overnight connection at that...


You're right. Jumped the gun. I saw it as 2x weekly and didn't do a mock booking. Forgot they utilize overnight connections.

So disregard.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:12 am

UA has cut their winter PWM capacity. All regional for the winter, Only one E-170 to EWR on an average weekday. Everything else to EWR, IAD and ORD is RJ45's. IAD is down to 2x daily. This comes as AA has upped their winter lift to PWM with 3x daily mainline to CLT and 2x daily mainline to PHL.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:55 pm

Better in-depth article on BTV's terminal/security consolidation plans for both the near-term (walkway) and long-term ($20m interior renovation project).

https://www.otherpapersbvt.com/news/aro ... 06171.html
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:20 pm

btvhopper wrote:
Better in-depth article on BTV's terminal/security consolidation plans for both the near-term (walkway) and long-term ($20m interior renovation project).

https://www.otherpapersbvt.com/news/aro ... 06171.html


BTV has always had a kind of funky and down-to-earth interior design (in terms of decoration) I hope that is maintained after the renovation.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:00 am

BTS numbers for July came out recently, and it looks like it was a big month for BTV-DEN. F9 had a load factor of 93.59%, and UA's mainline LF was 92.19%, which is much higher than any other month this year or last July, so DEN was seemingly a big contributor for them.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:32 am

As someone who took the F9 DEN flight in June and it was close to full and so far have seen many of my old friends in VT take the said DEN flight, the route seems like a great add.

I was surprised a bit to not see any winter additions from BTV on F9, RSW or TPA. But hopefully F9 sticks around and doesn't G4 us.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:47 am

PWM's numbers are out for July, August and September. Down 9531 passengers for July and August with a gain of 4083 for September. Portland is still up 65,905 year to date compared to 2018.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:56 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
As someone who took the F9 DEN flight in June and it was close to full and so far have seen many of my old friends in VT take the said DEN flight, the route seems like a great add.

I was surprised a bit to not see any winter additions from BTV on F9, RSW or TPA. But hopefully F9 sticks around and doesn't G4 us.


I don't think G4 ever did much more than leak passengers away from PBG, so it probably didn't make much sense to keep both stations even if BTV's numbers were good.

IIRC F9 didn't start BTV-MCO until February so in a way this will still be the first winter, and maybe they could add something in Feb 2020 if they wanted. I just don't know if anywhere else has the numbers for another nonstop though.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:55 pm

AA finally published their winter schedule (through mid feb at least) and here's a comparison of the NE airports

BDL - 21, 11 Mainline - 6x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 6x DCA 3x ORD 1x DFW (not daily) 1x MIA
PVD - 17, 5 Mainline - 4x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 7x DCA 2x ORD (Tw
PWM 14, 2 Mainline - 3x CLT 5x PHL 5x DCA 1x LGA
MHT 12, 0 Mainline - 4x CLT 4x PHL 4x DCA
BTV 9, 0 Maineline - 2x CLT 4x PHL 3x DCA
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:31 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
AA finally published their winter schedule (through mid feb at least) and here's a comparison of the NE airports

BDL - 21, 11 Mainline - 6x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 6x DCA 3x ORD 1x DFW (not daily) 1x MIA
PVD - 17, 5 Mainline - 4x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 7x DCA 2x ORD (Tw
PWM 14, 2 Mainline - 3x CLT 5x PHL 5x DCA 1x LGA
MHT 12, 0 Mainline - 4x CLT 4x PHL 4x DCA
BTV 9, 0 Maineline - 2x CLT 4x PHL 3x DCA


Ahh, so it looks like the new MHT-ORD service is in fact seasonal (just like BTV's and PWM's; 2x daily 70-seaters May-Oct)...I remember we had that debate on here previously.

I thought AA was upping BTV-CLT to 3x this winter, but looks like they'll only have that frequency fro mid-November through Jan. 6th, then dropping back to 2x.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:40 pm

btvhopper wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
AA finally published their winter schedule (through mid feb at least) and here's a comparison of the NE airports

BDL - 21, 11 Mainline - 6x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 6x DCA 3x ORD 1x DFW (not daily) 1x MIA
PVD - 17, 5 Mainline - 4x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 7x DCA 2x ORD (Tw
PWM 14, 2 Mainline - 3x CLT 5x PHL 5x DCA 1x LGA
MHT 12, 0 Mainline - 4x CLT 4x PHL 4x DCA
BTV 9, 0 Maineline - 2x CLT 4x PHL 3x DCA


Ahh, so it looks like the new MHT-ORD service is in fact seasonal (just like BTV's and PWM's; 2x daily 70-seaters May-Oct)...I remember we had that debate on here previously.

I thought AA was upping BTV-CLT to 3x this winter, but looks like they'll only have that frequency fro mid-November through Jan. 6th, then dropping back to 2x.

Checking random days. I see MHT-ORD every day.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:43 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
AA finally published their winter schedule (through mid feb at least) and here's a comparison of the NE airports

BDL - 21, 11 Mainline - 6x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 6x DCA 3x ORD 1x DFW (not daily) 1x MIA
PVD - 17, 5 Mainline - 4x CLT (2-A321) 4x PHL 7x DCA 2x ORD (Tw
PWM 14, 2 Mainline - 3x CLT 5x PHL 5x DCA 1x LGA
MHT 12, 0 Mainline - 4x CLT 4x PHL 4x DCA
BTV 9, 0 Maineline - 2x CLT 4x PHL 3x DCA

In March there is 2 E190s a day to PHL to MHT.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:53 pm

tomaheath wrote:
In March there is 2 E190s a day to PHL to MHT.


AA's schedule is final through early/mid Feb... anything after that is a default schedule.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:33 pm

Still a decent amount of lift from PWM in the slowest travel months. Surprised they haven't made PWM-ORD year round. Every flight I've looked at is nearly fully booked (according to the seat map) and UA really scales that back in winter to 3x daily ERJ-145. plenty of demand for year round competition. But I know AA's ORD operation is more seasonal than other hubs
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:49 pm

Here are BTV's YTD enplanement results through August. JetBlue is really having a much-needed turnaround, a very encouraging sign. B6 either cutting back frequency or cutting to seasonal service would be disastrous for the airport.
AA is only down -3% despite fairly draconian YOY capacity cuts on BTV-PHL. Load factors must be way up for AA; August's overall load factors (all airlines) are up 9 percentage points (78% 2018 vs 87% in 2019).

Other notes-
-142k total PAX for August (vs 135k Aug '18)
-B6 up 22% YOY...not even sure how that's possible beyond a few one-off E190-->A320 upgrades
-Delta is the only legacy that's growing, up 7% for August (United was flat and AA -3%)
-Frontier is still fairly irrelevant in terms of total market share, but they're definitely bringing in PAX that wouldn't otherwise fly to BTV (IMO its more locals who wouldn't fly at all--quick weekend trip to CO say--than it is bargain hunters who would otherwise head to BOS).
-That load factor is quite something....it was in the high-80's for July too.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vt/burlingtonv ... cs.AUG.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:21 pm

btvhopper wrote:
Here are BTV's YTD enplanement results through August. JetBlue is really having a much-needed turnaround, a very encouraging sign. B6 either cutting back frequency or cutting to seasonal service would be disastrous for the airport.
AA is only down -3% despite fairly draconian YOY capacity cuts on BTV-PHL. Load factors must be way up for AA; August's overall load factors (all airlines) are up 9 percentage points (78% 2018 vs 87% in 2019).

Other notes-
-142k total PAX for August (vs 135k Aug '18)
-B6 up 22% YOY...not even sure how that's possible beyond a few one-off E190-->A320 upgrades
-Delta is the only legacy that's growing, up 7% for August (United was flat and AA -3%)
-Frontier is still fairly irrelevant in terms of total market share, but they're definitely bringing in PAX that wouldn't otherwise fly to BTV (IMO its more locals who wouldn't fly at all--quick weekend trip to CO say--than it is bargain hunters who would otherwise head to BOS).
-That load factor is quite something....it was in the high-80's for July too.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vt/burlingtonv ... cs.AUG.pdf


That August 2018 number for B6 does seem low considering that BTS shows 6888. I think BTS might be the average of enplanements and deplanements and BTV's figure is enplanements, but I would still expect the numbers to track more closely. In any case, though, it looks like a good month for B6.

I was also interested to read the comments today on a Facebook post from Frontier advertising their BTV-DEN service. A lot of people seem quite disappointed that this is not going to run through the winter.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:48 am

In July BDL failed to see positive growth for the first time in 37 months. July 2019 saw a 2.7% decrease thanks to big loses by WN and UA, Delta not running CUN and EI canceling 8 flights. Delta saw decent growth at 7.7% for the month. Although EI canceled a few flights, load factor was still 91% and continues to have a strong 2019 despite a few bad months to begin the year. Breakdown is below:


July 2019 Bradley International Airport Passengers-

Total Passengers-


July 2019- 603,144 (2.9%)
July 2018- 621,072

YTD- (January - July)

2019- 3,933,728 +2.7%
2018- 3,830,187


Domestic by Airline July 2019 / Percentage Increase/Decrease from 2018-


American- 145,285 +0.8%
Delta- 126,434 +7.7%
Southwest- 121,815 (13.4%)
jetBlue- 69,398 (5.4%)
United- 67,955 (16%)
Spirit- 41,321 (6.7%)
Frontier- 14,114 (Not served in 2018)

International by Airline July 2019-


July 2019 Total International- 16,746 (1.9%) No Delta CUN service in July 2019.
July 2018 Total International- 17,069

Aer Lingus- 8,737 (12.2%) 8 less flights in July 2019
Air Canada- 8,009 +12.5%
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:28 am

I think the Aer Lingus cancellations were due to the delay of the A321 start of service. People are thrilled with the new aircraft and indeed the route has become very popular.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:30 am

Interesting question....the long standing Air Canada BDL service. What aircraft will they fly the two routes with once the Dash aircraft are retired?

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