Some more news:
OSR Ostrava airport will be paying LO for a route to Warsaw. https://www.pasazer.com/news/41600/ostr ... unkow.html
LO is planning flights to Vietnam (after an agreement between the EU and ASEAN comes into effect), HND and KIX in Japan as well as the route from BUD to ICN. https://www.pasazer.com/news/41579/gosc ... esc,2.html

Heard the yields to Vietnam are through the roof.

In one interview LOT people said a 16th 787 will arrive next year. So they will need to fly them somewhere during winter season. Would Vietnam be a decent winter seasonal destination? Also Bangkok was mentioned.
Plus all the winter charters they should be ok during the low season.

I don’t agree with LOT not to fly the 4 frequencies to another Chinese city because at one point they would like to fly daily to Beijing. They could have been flying and making money.

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:

Heard the yields to Vietnam are through the roof.

Yep. Yields are everything. LO needs to reconfigure all of its 787s with business class only and fly to DTW if it wants to make money -_-

SP-EQK (Q400) has received a special livery to commemorate the centenary of the founding of the Polish Aeroclub. https://www.instagram.com/p/By2oSB6oLYf/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?

Blerg wrote:

All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?

Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855

The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.

Milka wrote:

Blerg wrote:

All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?

Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855

The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.

That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.

Blerg wrote:

Milka wrote:

Blerg wrote:

All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?

Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855

The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.

That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.

I’m not sure if the 5 bus gates have been started on level 1 of the north pier. If it has been started it won’t be delayed by the recent pause. Now the southern pier gate extension definitely is on hold.

SRQLOT wrote:

Blerg wrote:

Milka wrote:

Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855

The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.

That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.

I’m not sure if the 5 bus gates have been started on level 1 of the north pier. If it has been started it won’t be delayed by the recent pause. Now the southern pier gate extension definitely is on hold.

With the extra five bus gates they plan on moving some E-jets from the airbridges to remote stands? The southern pier is on hold because of the new airport project or...?

Blerg wrote:

SRQLOT wrote:

Blerg wrote:

That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.

I’m not sure if the 5 bus gates have been started on level 1 of the north pier. If it has been started it won’t be delayed by the recent pause. Now the southern pier gate extension definitely is on hold.

With the extra five bus gates they plan on moving some E-jets from the airbridges to remote stands? The southern pier is on hold because of the new airport project or...?

Few weeks back the current government ordered all expansion plans not started to be stopped. The excuse is that a new capacity study is needed, and how long that will take? Who knows.

There is a plan to put remote stands on the former military apron, but not sure of that time frame. So they realized they would need more bus gates and in a way help spread out the passengers to level 1.

emuwarveteran wrote:

Some more news:
OSR Ostrava airport will be paying LO for a route to Warsaw. https://www.pasazer.com/news/41600/ostr ... unkow.html
LO is planning flights to Vietnam (after an agreement between the EU and ASEAN comes into effect), HND and KIX in Japan as well as the route from BUD to ICN. https://www.pasazer.com/news/41579/gosc ... esc,2.html

Hungarian foreign minister announced BUD-ICN by LOT today.
https://twitter.com/matebencetoth/statu ... 74784?s=21

Does LOT actually have Siberian overflight rights to operate BUD-ICN?

Not sure how the South-Korean traffic will cope with the negative news related to the sinking of Hableany with a loss of 27 korean lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_Hable%C3%A1ny

holczakker wrote:

Not sure how the South-Korean traffic will cope with the negative news related to the sinking of Hableany with a loss of 27 korean lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_Hable%C3%A1ny

Like with any tragedy, maybe a few weeks of bad press but it won't affect traffic at all. Both South Korea and Hong Kong had tragic ferry accidents in recent years with much higher death tolls but with no measurable impact on tourist numbers.

Someone83 wrote:

Does LOT actually have Siberian overflight rights to operate BUD-ICN?

Hungarian president’s relations with Putin are quite cordial, so I guess that if the Hungarian government is backing this flight up they can work this out with Russia.

Four of the Max aircraft are now parked in Lublin, three on the small ramp by PZL Świdnik and one on the main ramp right in the corner of stand 10. No idea where the other two are!

pdp wrote:

Four of the Max aircraft are now parked in Lublin, three on the small ramp by PZL Świdnik and one on the main ramp right in the corner of stand 10. No idea where the other two are!

I definitely saw one near the LOT hanger at WAW last Monday when arriving from NCE on a 788 (SP-LRF) as the previous rotation was cancelled due to shortages in 738s. Not sure what 6th aircraft you're talking about as only 5 have been delivered to the carrier so far.

Lot is looking for cabin crew for 787 for BUD base: https://www.profession.hu/allas/cabin-c ... a13790dde9

parrotta wrote:

Lot is looking for cabin crew for 787 for BUD base: https://www.profession.hu/allas/cabin-c ... a13790dde9

In one way probably good, should help to get more Hungarians to fly with LOT if they feel more comfortable aboard. Now in Poland the cabin crew that has to fly older leased 737s is very upset with fewer hours and working conditions onboard, and with MAX being delayed now maybe into next year, that won’t help. Also LOT got the 737-700 leased from Boeing and should have one 737-800 coming soon. Also 3 E195s former Azuls? 2 in gold livery are already in Warsaw.

LOT is adding to its fleet:

E195 SP-LNN - another ex-Azul example joined in July
E195 SP-LNO - ex-Saratov airlines that never entered service with the airline but is still painted in the carriers bright orange livery with LOT sticker also joined in July
E195 SP-LNP - one more ex-Azul example is set to be delivered

Total E195 fleet: 14+1

The 737 Max fleet remains grounded and apart from the 5 frames that have been delivered, 4 are parked up at Boeing ready for delivery taking the outstanding orders to 15.

Milka wrote:

LOT is adding to its fleet:

E195 SP-LNN - another ex-Azul example joined in July
E195 SP-LNO - ex-Saratov airlines that never entered service with the airline but is still painted in the carriers bright orange livery with LOT sticker also joined in July
E195 SP-LNP - one more ex-Azul example is set to be delivered

Total E195 fleet: 14+1

The 737 Max fleet remains grounded and apart from the 5 frames that have been delivered, 4 are parked up at Boeing ready for delivery taking the outstanding orders to 15.

Does anyone know when these will be joining the fleet? Also, I wonder if some will go to Budapest or if all will be based in Warsaw.

Blerg wrote:

Milka wrote:

LOT is adding to its fleet:

E195 SP-LNN - another ex-Azul example joined in July
E195 SP-LNO - ex-Saratov airlines that never entered service with the airline but is still painted in the carriers bright orange livery with LOT sticker also joined in July
E195 SP-LNP - one more ex-Azul example is set to be delivered

Total E195 fleet: 14+1

The 737 Max fleet remains grounded and apart from the 5 frames that have been delivered, 4 are parked up at Boeing ready for delivery taking the outstanding orders to 15.

Does anyone know when these will be joining the fleet? Also, I wonder if some will go to Budapest or if all will be based in Warsaw.

2 of the E jets are already flying. The orange one and the one with Brazil map on the rail.

Blerg wrote:

Does anyone know when these will be joining the fleet? Also, I wonder if some will go to Budapest or if all will be based in Warsaw.

As I wrote in the post, 2 are already flying and 1 more will most likely join before the end of the month. Right now LOT needs all the E195s at WAW due to the Max groundings, but as soon as those are back in the air I can see them basing 2-3 in Budapest.

LOT will fly to Beijing-Daixing from 28OCT:
LO89 WAW-PKX 2240-1420+1 x1356
LO90 PKX-WAW 1600-1845 x2467

They will continue to fly to PEK.

https://www.facebook.com/LOT/photos/a.1 ... =3&theater

Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?

Blerg wrote:

Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?

In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.

For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).

I guess that if they could LO would increase PEK to daily, before starting flights to PKX. Probably Chinese side didn’t allow that to protect Air China’s PEK-WAW flights (with so much traffic leaving for PKX getting slots at PEK couldn’t be the issue).

Beijing is the 5th city for LO in which they serve 2 airports, after New York, London, Kiev and Moscow.

Well finally, they having been sitting on those 4 slots to China. They would like to do daily to PEK but obviously that wasn’t going to happen.

konkret wrote:

Beijing is the 5th city for LO in which they serve 2 airports, after New York, London, Kiev and Moscow.

Moscow Domodedovo has been discontinued, presently it is just Moscow Sheremetyevo, thus 4 cities with two airports.

LOT will also do 6 charter destinations for Rainbow tours with the 787s this winter.
Around November thru March.

Bangkok Thailand, Cancun Mexico, Varadero Cuba will be once weekly

Goi Japan, Ho Chi Minh Vietnam, Puerto Plata Dominican Republic will be every 10-11 days.

https://www.pasazer.com/mobi/news/41739 ... tours.html

Any other long distance charters with the other tour companies?

SRQLOT wrote:

Goi Japan

I guess you mean Goa, India (airport code GOI)

artflyer wrote:

Blerg wrote:

Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?

In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.

For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).

LOT has two more 789 on order for a total of 16 Dreamliner's currently, I wouldn't be surprised if they order a couple more in the future. Also right now two 788 are stored awaiting new engines SP-LRD and SP-LRH, these are covered by two leased Air Belgium A340s.

konkret wrote:

SRQLOT wrote:

Goi Japan

I guess you mean Goa, India (airport code GOI)

Oooops. I assumed it was a city name since the other destinations were full city names in the article. Could have been the way the author wrote the city in polish.

Milka wrote:

artflyer wrote:

Blerg wrote:

Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?

In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.

For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).

LOT has two more 789 on order for a total of 16 Dreamliner's currently, I wouldn't be surprised if they order a couple more in the future. Also right now two 788 are stored awaiting new engines SP-LRD and SP-LRH, these are covered by two leased Air Belgium A340s.

They will order more; they just do it in batches. 787-10s were thought about, maybe they will come by?? Who knows.

As for routes, BKK & SGN are in the works for sure. Today they announced flights to Daxing, the new airport in Beijing making their total flights to Beijing 1x daily (they will split between Daxing & PEK)

And in 2020 YUL will also start. They've been trying to get YUL started for ages, 2 years ago they came close but the airport wouldn't give them their preferred time slots...
Now I heard "slots" were agreed upon.
Personal guess here, I anticipate an April-June 2020 start.
Official word probably later in the year.

ek241yyz wrote:

They will order more; they just do it in batches. 787-10s were thought about, maybe they will come by?? Who knows.

As for routes, BKK & SGN are in the works for sure. Today they announced flights to Daxing, the new airport in Beijing making their total flights to Beijing 1x daily (they will split between Daxing & PEK)

And in 2020 YUL will also start. They've been trying to get YUL started for ages, 2 years ago they came close but the airport wouldn't give them their preferred time slots...
Now I heard "slots" were agreed upon.
Personal guess here, I anticipate an April-June 2020 start.
Official word probably later in the year.

I don't think they will be ordering the 787-10 as it is a bit too big, I think they will go for more 789s which is just the right size for them.

They will for sure return to Vietnam as they flew to Hanoi before and there is a large diaspora of Vietnamese living in Poland but I think it will be HAN rather than SGN. BKK is another possibility but the yields will be terrible on this, they might keep it as a seasonal charter at first.

YUL I do not see them starting though, its just too close to YYZ and the Polish diaspora does not live in the French speaking part of Canada for the most part. I could see them at YVR though and I hope the YUL works out too.

Could YVR work for them? I doubt there is a large Polish community there but there is quite a lot of demand to Europe, Middle East and the rest of Asia.

Milka wrote:

artflyer wrote:

Blerg wrote:

Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?

In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.

For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).

LOT has two more 789 on order for a total of 16 Dreamliner's currently, I wouldn't be surprised if they order a couple more in the future. Also right now two 788 are stored awaiting new engines SP-LRD and SP-LRH, these are covered by two leased Air Belgium A340s.

It changes but currently not two, but three 788s are grounded due to RR issues (+SP-LRB) with two ACMI replacements.

The second 789 you mentioned and that is supposed to be delivered spring 2020 and the delivery was disclosed at PAS, seems to me like a top-up on what were earlier agreed deliveries for 2020 from a different lessor. Already in 2017 I have read in an interview with their Regional Head for DACH region that they have contracted deliveries of B787 until and including 2020. It may be that they managed to get through with something they didn't have in their initial plans for 2020 either because of bilaterals or slots. And the things they were pursuing and had one of these blockages were: HND (on top of NRT), PVG+CAN and increase at ICN.

YUL was something that CEO was for years mentioning as sth to be opened by 2020, so we will see.

BKK certainly not. CGN yes, but indirect via HAN, which is feasible only after ASEAN agreement is finalised, so certainly not in 2020. This was sort of clear to me when reading a recent interview with their Head of Network in the Polish press.

While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.

PixelPilot wrote:

While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.

With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...

MalevTU134 wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.

With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...

SWISS isn't. My family flew with them ZRH-MIA / MIA-ZRH and they had space to switch seats after takeoff. Same way on return.

Milka wrote:

ek241yyz wrote:

They will order more; they just do it in batches. 787-10s were thought about, maybe they will come by?? Who knows.

As for routes, BKK & SGN are in the works for sure. Today they announced flights to Daxing, the new airport in Beijing making their total flights to Beijing 1x daily (they will split between Daxing & PEK)

And in 2020 YUL will also start. They've been trying to get YUL started for ages, 2 years ago they came close but the airport wouldn't give them their preferred time slots...
Now I heard "slots" were agreed upon.
Personal guess here, I anticipate an April-June 2020 start.
Official word probably later in the year.

I don't think they will be ordering the 787-10 as it is a bit too big, I think they will go for more 789s which is just the right size for them.

They will for sure return to Vietnam as they flew to Hanoi before and there is a large diaspora of Vietnamese living in Poland but I think it will be HAN rather than SGN. BKK is another possibility but the yields will be terrible on this, they might keep it as a seasonal charter at first.

YUL I do not see them starting though, its just too close to YYZ and the Polish diaspora does not live in the French speaking part of Canada for the most part. I could see them at YVR though and I hope the YUL works out too.

So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?

PixelPilot wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.

With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...

SWISS isn't. My family flew with them ZRH-MIA / MIA-ZRH and they had space to switch seats after takeoff. Same way on return.

Possibly, in both cases it's anecdotal. And still, I would bet that the SWISS flight was the more profitable of the two.

MalevTU134 wrote:

So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?

Ah a reply from the guy who is stuck in the past again, did it ever occur to you that both countries have evolved in the mean time and previously the flight was operated by a 767? Or does time stand still where you live?

Milka wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?

Ah a reply from the guy who is stuck in the past again, did it ever occur to you that both countries have evolved in the mean time and previously the flight was operated by a 767? Or does time stand still where you live?

Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember.

As for time standing still: have a look at this (for Poland):

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms ... JKSEyZcoDE

and this (for Vietnam):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY ... start=2010

and tell me what major improvements you see in those numbers to justify your optimism. (While Vietnam's may look somewhat impressive, it is still just USD 2,500 per capita...Vietnam POS would not drive that flight)

Among things that have changed since LO stopped flying to Hanoi is their route network. Take Germany for example - this time around LO could offer connections not only to FRA, MUC, HAM, DUS* but also to STR, BER, HAJ, NUE - which previously weren’t available.

(* I am not 100% sure LO at the time of operating to Hanoi flew to DUS as for a time they were forced to abandon the route per EU decision)

MalevTU134 wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.

With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...

Actually winter is the high season for Poland to Florida traffic. This is high season for traffic going in the other direction. So essentially, there is no seasonal fluctuation of traffic on this route (CEO highlighted this) since it never experiences a "low" period. If capacity is being maxed out from day one then the already extremely high prices will go up, or they'll add capacity.

MalevTU134 wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...

SWISS isn't. My family flew with them ZRH-MIA / MIA-ZRH and they had space to switch seats after takeoff. Same way on return.

Possibly, in both cases it's anecdotal. And still, I would bet that the SWISS flight was the more profitable of the two.

Maybe, maybe not. LO is charging hundreds more than LX on any given day to/from anywhere that involves the route.

MalevTU134 wrote:

Milka wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?

Ah a reply from the guy who is stuck in the past again, did it ever occur to you that both countries have evolved in the mean time and previously the flight was operated by a 767? Or does time stand still where you live?

Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember.

As for time standing still: have a look at this (for Poland):

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms ... JKSEyZcoDE

and this (for Vietnam):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY ... start=2010

and tell me what major improvements you see in those numbers to justify your optimism. (While Vietnam's may look somewhat impressive, it is still just USD 2,500 per capita...Vietnam POS would not drive that flight)

Baloney. And your numbers for Poland are laughable. You can have a high income country like Iceland or Luxembourg where the average citizen can afford to travel the world, and on the flip side have a mid income country like Russia where the number of wealthy/new rich/people willing to spend (while a tiny fraction of society) might be greater than the entire population of Iceland. And new money spending habits blow old money out of the water any day, anywhere, as old money is quite often low in cash flow/high in not so liquid assets.

MalevTU134 wrote:

Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember

Yes you are mistaken like with most of the senseless negative posts you make. Hanoi was abandoned in 2012, that is 7 years ago, before the 787 arrived and at a time when LOT was forced to downsize its network and could offer very few connections for passengers wanting to connect in WAW. LOT is in a much stronger position now and can offer connecting passengers a massively increased European network so comparing the situation of today to 2012 makes you just look clueless.

Milka wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember

Yes you are mistaken like with most of the senseless negative posts you make. Hanoi was abandoned in 2012, that is 7 years ago, before the 787 arrived and at a time when LOT was forced to downsize its network and could offer very few connections for passengers wanting to connect in WAW. LOT is in a much stronger position now and can offer connecting passengers a massively increased European network so comparing the situation of today to 2012 makes you just look clueless.

Do you mind sharing with us an average fare one way from Europe to Vietnam?

I'll give you a hint, it's not great.