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lhrsfosyd91 wrote:Heard the yields to Vietnam are through the roof.
Blerg wrote:All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?
Milka wrote:Blerg wrote:All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?
Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855
The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.
Blerg wrote:Milka wrote:Blerg wrote:All this expansion is nice but how do they plan on fitting all those extra flights at WAW? I know the airport will get some expansion but will it be enough?
Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855
The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.
That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.
SRQLOT wrote:Blerg wrote:Milka wrote:
Check out this thread regarding expansion at WAW https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416259&p=21376855&hilit=waw+airport#p21376855
The current populist government has been hard at work delaying expansion at WAW as much as possible to justify the investment in Radom Airport (an airport with no flights and with no airline willing to relocate there) and to drum up support for the new Central Polish Airport CPK. I really hope they loose power in the general elections scheduled for fall this year and someone with brains takes over and speeds up expansion at WAW as it is badly needed. Phase one of the expansion is currently underway with the shorter intersecting runway being upgraded with new high speed exits to improve the runway's capacity. However, the terminal's non-shengen part is already so incredibly crowded with gates designed to handle E195/B737 passenger numbers bursting at their seems when the B789 are handled, they have dual jet-bridges for speedier boarding of widebodies but this is negated by the fact the gate areas are way too tiny for 300 pax boarding a flight to Seoul. I really hope the terminal expansion starts asap, the passenger experience will improve considerably, now its pretty miserable for long-haul.
That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.
I’m not sure if the 5 bus gates have been started on level 1 of the north pier. If it has been started it won’t be delayed by the recent pause. Now the southern pier gate extension definitely is on hold.
Blerg wrote:SRQLOT wrote:Blerg wrote:
That I understand very well (the new airport) but I was mostly referring to coping with growth with the current terminal.
I’m not sure if the 5 bus gates have been started on level 1 of the north pier. If it has been started it won’t be delayed by the recent pause. Now the southern pier gate extension definitely is on hold.
With the extra five bus gates they plan on moving some E-jets from the airbridges to remote stands? The southern pier is on hold because of the new airport project or...?
emuwarveteran wrote:Some more news:
OSR Ostrava airport will be paying LO for a route to Warsaw. https://www.pasazer.com/news/41600/ostr ... unkow.html
LO is planning flights to Vietnam (after an agreement between the EU and ASEAN comes into effect), HND and KIX in Japan as well as the route from BUD to ICN. https://www.pasazer.com/news/41579/gosc ... esc,2.html
holczakker wrote:Not sure how the South-Korean traffic will cope with the negative news related to the sinking of Hableany with a loss of 27 korean lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_Hable%C3%A1ny
Someone83 wrote:Does LOT actually have Siberian overflight rights to operate BUD-ICN?
pdp wrote:Four of the Max aircraft are now parked in Lublin, three on the small ramp by PZL Świdnik and one on the main ramp right in the corner of stand 10. No idea where the other two are!
parrotta wrote:Lot is looking for cabin crew for 787 for BUD base: https://www.profession.hu/allas/cabin-c ... a13790dde9
Milka wrote:LOT is adding to its fleet:
E195 SP-LNN - another ex-Azul example joined in July
E195 SP-LNO - ex-Saratov airlines that never entered service with the airline but is still painted in the carriers bright orange livery with LOT sticker also joined in July
E195 SP-LNP - one more ex-Azul example is set to be delivered
Total E195 fleet: 14+1
The 737 Max fleet remains grounded and apart from the 5 frames that have been delivered, 4 are parked up at Boeing ready for delivery taking the outstanding orders to 15.
Blerg wrote:Milka wrote:LOT is adding to its fleet:
E195 SP-LNN - another ex-Azul example joined in July
E195 SP-LNO - ex-Saratov airlines that never entered service with the airline but is still painted in the carriers bright orange livery with LOT sticker also joined in July
E195 SP-LNP - one more ex-Azul example is set to be delivered
Total E195 fleet: 14+1
The 737 Max fleet remains grounded and apart from the 5 frames that have been delivered, 4 are parked up at Boeing ready for delivery taking the outstanding orders to 15.
Does anyone know when these will be joining the fleet? Also, I wonder if some will go to Budapest or if all will be based in Warsaw.
Blerg wrote:
Does anyone know when these will be joining the fleet? Also, I wonder if some will go to Budapest or if all will be based in Warsaw.
Blerg wrote:Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?
konkret wrote:Beijing is the 5th city for LO in which they serve 2 airports, after New York, London, Kiev and Moscow.
SRQLOT wrote:
Goi Japan
artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?
In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.
For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).
konkret wrote:SRQLOT wrote:
Goi Japan
I guess you mean Goa, India (airport code GOI)
Milka wrote:artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?
In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.
For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).
LOT has two more 789 on order for a total of 16 Dreamliner's currently, I wouldn't be surprised if they order a couple more in the future. Also right now two 788 are stored awaiting new engines SP-LRD and SP-LRH, these are covered by two leased Air Belgium A340s.
ek241yyz wrote:
They will order more; they just do it in batches. 787-10s were thought about, maybe they will come by?? Who knows.
As for routes, BKK & SGN are in the works for sure. Today they announced flights to Daxing, the new airport in Beijing making their total flights to Beijing 1x daily (they will split between Daxing & PEK)
And in 2020 YUL will also start. They've been trying to get YUL started for ages, 2 years ago they came close but the airport wouldn't give them their preferred time slots...
Now I heard "slots" were agreed upon.
Personal guess here, I anticipate an April-June 2020 start.
Official word probably later in the year.
Milka wrote:artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:Where will they get the plane for the Daixing flights? Are they getting some more delivered?
In September they take delivery of one more 789, but that one was already taken into account, when planning the winter season (in particular on 11th Sept they start New Dehli route 5x weekly). Further deliveries will take place in 2020.
For me it means they expect an issue around Dreamliner RR engines to be resolved by the winter season (LOT has three 788s grounded due to this issue, with only two replaced by ACMI).
LOT has two more 789 on order for a total of 16 Dreamliner's currently, I wouldn't be surprised if they order a couple more in the future. Also right now two 788 are stored awaiting new engines SP-LRD and SP-LRH, these are covered by two leased Air Belgium A340s.
PixelPilot wrote:While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.
MalevTU134 wrote:PixelPilot wrote:While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.
With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...
Milka wrote:ek241yyz wrote:
They will order more; they just do it in batches. 787-10s were thought about, maybe they will come by?? Who knows.
As for routes, BKK & SGN are in the works for sure. Today they announced flights to Daxing, the new airport in Beijing making their total flights to Beijing 1x daily (they will split between Daxing & PEK)
And in 2020 YUL will also start. They've been trying to get YUL started for ages, 2 years ago they came close but the airport wouldn't give them their preferred time slots...
Now I heard "slots" were agreed upon.
Personal guess here, I anticipate an April-June 2020 start.
Official word probably later in the year.
I don't think they will be ordering the 787-10 as it is a bit too big, I think they will go for more 789s which is just the right size for them.
They will for sure return to Vietnam as they flew to Hanoi before and there is a large diaspora of Vietnamese living in Poland but I think it will be HAN rather than SGN. BKK is another possibility but the yields will be terrible on this, they might keep it as a seasonal charter at first.
YUL I do not see them starting though, its just too close to YYZ and the Polish diaspora does not live in the French speaking part of Canada for the most part. I could see them at YVR though and I hope the YUL works out too.
PixelPilot wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:PixelPilot wrote:While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.
With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...
SWISS isn't. My family flew with them ZRH-MIA / MIA-ZRH and they had space to switch seats after takeoff. Same way on return.
MalevTU134 wrote:So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?
Milka wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?
Ah a reply from the guy who is stuck in the past again, did it ever occur to you that both countries have evolved in the mean time and previously the flight was operated by a 767? Or does time stand still where you live?
MalevTU134 wrote:PixelPilot wrote:While this is just an observation, recently I flew MIA-WAW and few days later WAW-MIA. Both flights packed full. 788 and 789 on return without a single free space left in premium economy and economy (dunno about business).
A lot of eastern European languages on board.
It sure looked like to me that LOT got this one right.
With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...
MalevTU134 wrote:PixelPilot wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:With all due respect...it's July. Which EU-US flight is not full this time of year? Please write back in September. The question is the yields they can get on those flights...
SWISS isn't. My family flew with them ZRH-MIA / MIA-ZRH and they had space to switch seats after takeoff. Same way on return.
Possibly, in both cases it's anecdotal. And still, I would bet that the SWISS flight was the more profitable of the two.
MalevTU134 wrote:Milka wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:So, they didn't lose enough money in Vietnam the last time around? They are hellbent to lose more?
Ah a reply from the guy who is stuck in the past again, did it ever occur to you that both countries have evolved in the mean time and previously the flight was operated by a 767? Or does time stand still where you live?
Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember.
As for time standing still: have a look at this (for Poland):
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms ... JKSEyZcoDE
and this (for Vietnam):
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY ... start=2010
and tell me what major improvements you see in those numbers to justify your optimism. (While Vietnam's may look somewhat impressive, it is still just USD 2,500 per capita...Vietnam POS would not drive that flight)
MalevTU134 wrote:Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember
Milka wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:Unless I am mistaken, the last attempt at HAN was, what...3 years ago? 4 maybe? It started in 2010 and went on for a few years with disastrous results, as far as I remember
Yes you are mistaken like with most of the senseless negative posts you make. Hanoi was abandoned in 2012, that is 7 years ago, before the 787 arrived and at a time when LOT was forced to downsize its network and could offer very few connections for passengers wanting to connect in WAW. LOT is in a much stronger position now and can offer connecting passengers a massively increased European network so comparing the situation of today to 2012 makes you just look clueless.