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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:14 am

MSY is listed as one of the destinations "operated by partner 763"..... wonder what that indicates.

BWI had that once, and ended up getting served by MT A332 for DE. :scratchchin:
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 am

LAX772LR wrote:
MSY is listed as one of the destinations "operated by partner 763"..... wonder what that indicates.

BWI had that once, and ended up getting served by MT A332 for DE. :scratchchin:


MSY does not even show on the S2020 schedule (https://www.condor.com/de/generated/flugplan_S2020.pdf) attached to the PR (http://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en/us ... booking-1/). Neither do the long-haul MUC flights.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:43 pm

The MSY FRA schedule is in our GDS as of yesterday morning. Unfortunately I didn’t have time to post here.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:19 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
MSY is listed as one of the destinations "operated by partner 763"..... wonder what that indicates.

BWI had that once, and ended up getting served by MT A332 for DE. :scratchchin:


Good question. They’ve also leased military charter A332s from 9L (the UK 9L) and used them on “partner” routings in the past so this should be interesting.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:05 am

Condor Flight Information:

Frankfurt - New Orleans 23May20 - 19Sep20 2 weekly
DE2066 FRA 1420 - 1825 MSY 76W 36
DE2067 MSY 2025 - 1310+1 FRA 76W 36

Looking forward to seeing both DE and BA tails parked at A this Summer. 8x weekly TATL service in the Summer months too. Not bad for a market of our size.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:44 am

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Looking forward to seeing both DE and BA tails parked at A this Summer. 8x weekly TATL service in the Summer months too.

Both in on all DE days now, pretty cool.

Also, pretty odd that Sunday consistently seems to be have comparatively little TATL demand, compared to even the likes of Tues/Wed.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:52 am

Metrocard wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
MSY is listed as one of the destinations "operated by partner 763"..... wonder what that indicates.

BWI had that once, and ended up getting served by MT A332 for DE. :scratchchin:


Good question. They’ve also leased military charter A332s from 9L (the UK 9L) and used them on “partner” routings in the past so this should be interesting.


Best I can determine, a 763 for a DE partner airline is either EuroAtlantic or Omni Air Intl. The J cabin setup for EA is a lie flat with 16 seats staggered - same as DE is showing for the first flight with no center section. OAI is showing 6 seats across for their J. But EA's Y cabin is 2-4-2 while DE is showing 2-3-2. So who knows. Wamos and HiFly are out as they dont fly 767s.

I'd pay $1200 for the nice EA J seat, but OAI's J seat is several notches below DE's - no way I'd pay more than $700 for that (basically a NK Big Front Seat)
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:20 am

UK CAA stats are out for October.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA/Content/Standard_Content/Data_and_analysis/Datasets/Airport_stats/Airport_data_2019_10/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf

The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 91.4% in October. There were 7,432 pax flying on an estimated 8,132 offered seats. Last year, the load factor was 87.8% with 8,642 pax flying on an estimated 9,844 offered seats. Pax count decreased by -14.0% year over year largely driven by three cancelled flights during the month.

All seat estimations for MSY, BWI, PIT and CHS are based on 788 seat count. SJC is based on 789 seat count. BNA is based on a mix of 789 and 788 seat counts. CHS had it's last seasonal flight on 10/24. BNA switched to 5x weekly service on a 788 on 10/27. MSY had three cancellations and BNA had one.

The following breaks down the numbers for each station that sees 788/789 flying exclusively.

Station........Oct. Seats.......Oct. Pax............Oct. LF.......YTD Seats.......YTD Pax......YTD LF
BWI...............13,268............11,840..............89.2%........125,832...........108,954........86.6%
SJC...............13,392............10,786..............80.5%........125,280...........102,451........81.8%
BNA..............12,512.............10,139.............81.0%........107,784.............87,747........81.4%
MSY................8,132..............7,432..............91.4%..........89,024.............71,875........80.7%
PIT..................7,704..............6,126..............79.5%..........50,932.............40,736........80.0%
CHS................2,996..............2,388..............79.7%..........24,396............19,503.........79.9%
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:49 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 91.4%

:hearts: :cloudnine: :hearts: :cloudnine: :hearts:
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:24 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 91.4%

:hearts: :cloudnine: :hearts: :cloudnine: :hearts:


Based on BA's performance, it seems OCT TATL out of MSY is strong. Why would DE not keep flying through the end of Oct and capture flyers attending Oktoberfest in Munich? I'm guessing metal issues?

Not complaining, just a question. I'm happy DE is back.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:19 am

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Why would DE not keep flying through the end of Oct and capture flyers attending Oktoberfest in Munich?

reallocating fleet types to their winter schedule.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:51 am

National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:07 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp


Very interesting. New Orleans was down slightly, but Nashville (ranked 42) dropped 8.4% YOY. For a metro of its size, New Orleans is punching way above its weight.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:07 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp


I assume this data consists of tourists only and not business travel considering Flagstaff ranked higher than Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas, etc?
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:48 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp


Very interesting. New Orleans was down slightly, but Nashville (ranked 42) dropped 8.4% YOY. For a metro of its size, New Orleans is punching way above its weight.


i can tell you anecdotally i wouldnt be surprised if these numbers go way up for 2019.. seems like lots more australians and british tourist this year and with the addition of montreal too that will increase as well
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:29 pm

flyPIT wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp


I assume this data consists of tourists only and not business travel considering Flagstaff ranked higher than Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas, etc?


flyPIT, any news up there on who the partner airline will be for the DE flights servicing PIT and MSY?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:43 pm

SNN707 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp


I assume this data consists of tourists only and not business travel considering Flagstaff ranked higher than Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas, etc?


flyPIT, any news up there on who the partner airline will be for the DE flights servicing PIT and MSY?

Nope. I will say that several months ago when both PIT and BWI was scheduled with an A330 the DE booking site clearly stated "operated by Thomas Cook". The fact that the site now does not specify a specific partner carrier like it previously did makes me think not even DE has it all figured out yet.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:55 pm

flyPIT wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
National Travel and Tourism Office posted 2018 numbers for U.S. metro areas. New Orleans ranked as 22nd largest market in the country for international visitation with 455,000 estimated international visitors. Given these numbers, hopefully we will see additional international service in the near future. Would love to see WS try out the market again. A flight to YYC would be a great addition.

(Spreadsheet with the numbers)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KUhNRLB9junxHnuhm_WMgqEedbf7_Q4Ou2LlhNfhicE/edit?usp=sharing

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.asp


I assume this data consists of tourists only and not business travel considering Flagstaff ranked higher than Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas, etc?


This includes business and leisure visitors according to the NTTO. The Grand Canyon is in the Flagstaff metro area, so not totally surprised at the high number of international visitors there. Key West and St. George, UT (Zion National Park) also have a very high number of international visitors for smaller metros.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:03 pm

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This includes business and leisure visitors according to the NTTO. The Grand Canyon is in the Flagstaff metro area, so not totally surprised at the high number of international visitors there. Key West also has a very high number of international visitors for a smaller metro.

Thanks. I also wonder how much of this data is counted twice? For example I would think a huge majority of the Key West visitors are also visiting Miami, and Flagstaff visitors are counted toward the Las Vegas numbers, etc. New Orleans is pretty isolated geographically so probably not much of an issue there.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:17 pm

Don't know if this is BIG news...but there's a UA 764 on the ground @ SRQ right now...and it leaves around 3:30 ET ...headed to MSY
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:17 pm

flyPIT wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
This includes business and leisure visitors according to the NTTO. The Grand Canyon is in the Flagstaff metro area, so not totally surprised at the high number of international visitors there. Key West also has a very high number of international visitors for a smaller metro.

Thanks. I also wonder how much of this data is counted twice? For example I would think a huge majority of the Key West visitors are also visiting Miami, and Flagstaff visitors are counted toward the Las Vegas numbers, etc. New Orleans is pretty isolated geographically so probably not much of an issue there.


Multiple destinations can be listed on the survey form, so a visitor can be counted as visiting Las Vegas, Flagstaff, and St. George, UT on the same trip. Same goes for places like Key West and Miami.

Here is a link to the actual survey. https://travel.trade.gov/pdf/Revised_SIAT_Questionnaire.pdf
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:21 pm

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Don't know if this is BIG news...but there's a UA 764 on the ground @ SRQ right now...and it leaves around 3:30 ET ...headed to MSY


Cool! Hope someone can get a shot of it. I'm stuck working until 8 PM today. It's departing MSY at 17:40 and heading to IAH.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:44 pm

Most likely a charter for the 49ers who have been practicing in FL this week.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:28 pm

And for CSAs, MSY is even higher up that list, considering that some of the listed split metros within a CSA (LAX/SNA, MIA/FLL, SFO/SJC) are essentially the same in regard to international air traffic.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:54 pm

It appears like MSY's Long Term & Surface Lot's parking space count is now online. Short Term has been online for a month. A couple things I noticed.

1). The last update "Date" reads: Dec 12 2019

2). Does anyone know if the Economy Lot will also get individual space count?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:42 pm

bretonrlong wrote:
It appears like MSY's Long Term & Surface Lot's parking space count is now online. Short Term has been online for a month. A couple things I noticed.

1). The last update "Date" reads: Dec 12 2019

2). Does anyone know if the Economy Lot will also get individual space count?


The airport subcontracted the econ garage, so the same technology wasnt installed on the south garage. I don't think it would have been worth it, as there are 3 other econ lots, 2 of which are on Airline as well. I really doubt, save for a few days a year, the econ lot will be full.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:18 pm

Is it just me or does it tell everyone "roundtrip not available for booking" for MSY-FRA on DE's site? They really need to get their act together. I'd like to support them, but I'm hesitant if they aren't even going to say who's operating the flight, and certainly not willing to pay a premium for a mystery service.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:48 am

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And for CSAs, MSY is even higher up that list, considering that some of the listed split metros within a CSA (LAX/SNA, MIA/FLL, SFO/SJC) are essentially the same in regard to international air traffic.


Indeed. Parsing out the data to CSA, here is how things stack up in terms of overseas visitors. Also, wanted to mention that these numbers do not include Canadian visitors. The US has an agreement in place with Canada indicating that Canada will compile visitor data between both countries. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dai-quo ... 24-eng.htm

Also, going to include number of international destinations and foreign flag airlines for each MSA/CSA (excluding Canada)

1. New York/Newark CSA = 10,808,000 (135 destinations, 72 airlines) AA, B6, DL, UA hubs
2. Miami CSA = 6,429,000 (104 destinations, 47 airlines) AA, B6, NK hubs
3. Los Angeles CSA = 6,250,000 (85 destinations, 54 airlines) AA, DL, UA hubs
4. Orlando MSA = 4,351,000 (52 destinations, 24 airlines) B6, NK hubs
5. San Francisco CSA = 4,319,000 (55 destinations, 44 airlines) AS, UA hub
6. Las Vegas MSA = 3,103,000 (16 destinations, 15 airlines)
7. Honolulu MSA = 2,588,000 (22 destinations, 13 airlines) HA hub
8. Baltimore/Washington CSA = 2,174,000 (57 destinations, 35 airlines) UA hub
9. Boston CSA = 1,875,000 (52 destinations, 28 airlines) B6, DL hubs
10. Chicago CSA = 1,524,000 (67 destinations, 39 airlines) AA, UA hubs
11. San Diego MSA = 1,113,000 (6 destinations, 4 airlines)
12. Houston CSA = 889,000 (66 destinations, 19 airlines) UA hub
13. Flagstaff (Grand Canyon) MSA = 742,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
14. Seattle CSA = 730,000 (23 destinations, 18 airlines) AS hub
15. Atlanta CSA = 710,000 (70 destinations, 8 airlines) DL hub
T16. Dallas/Fort Worth CSA = 638,000 (63 destinations, 12 airlines) AA hub
T16. Philadelphia CSA = 638,000 (33 destinations, 5 airlines) AA hub
17. Fort Myers/Naples CSA = 534,000 (1 destination, 1 airline)
18. Tampa MSA = 499,000 (11 destinations, 6 airlines)
19. New Orleans CSA = 455,000 (6 destinations, 3 airlines)
20. Key West MSA = 435,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
21. Buffalo CSA = 423,000 (3 destinations, 0 airlines)
22. Salinas/Monterey MSA = 351,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
T23. Denver CSA = 331,000 (22 destinations, 9 airlines) UA hub
T23. Detroit CSA = 331,000 (24 destinations, 4 airlines) DL hub
24. Phoenix MSA = 315,000 (16 destinations, 4 airlines) AA hub
25. Santa Barbara MSA = 311,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
26. Austin MSA = 275,000 (8 destinations, 5 airlines)
27. Portland, OR CSA = 267,000 (9 destinations, 3 airlines) AS hub
28. Hilo (Big Island) MSA = 259,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
29. Salt Lake City CSA = 251,000 (8 destinations, 2 airlines) DL hub
30. Kahului (Maui) MSA = 243,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
31. Sacramento CSA = 219,000 (3 destinations, 2 airlines)
32. Minneapolis CSA = 211,000 (23 destinations, 5 airlines) DL hub
33. Nashville CSA = 207,000 (5 destinations, 1 airline)
34. San Luis Obispo MSA = 179,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
35. San Antonio MSA = 175,000 (4 destinations, 3 airlines)
36. Charlotte CSA = 171,000 (35 destinations, 2 airlines) AA hub
37. Memphis CSA = 156,000 (1 destination, 0 airlines)
38. Jacksonville CSA = 152,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
39. St. George (Zion) MSA = 144,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
T40. Sarasota CSA = 140,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
T40. Melbourne-Titusville (Cape Canaveral) MSA = 140,000 (8 destinations, 1 airline)
T40. Pittsburgh CSA = 140,000 (7 destinations, 2 airlines)
41. Raleigh/Durham CSA = 132,000 (3 destinations, 0 airlines)
T42. Cleveland CSA = 120,000 (3 destinations, 0 airlines)
T42. St. Louis CSA = 120,000 (5 destinations, 0 airlines)
43. Cincinnati CSA = 108,000 (5 destinations, 0 airlines)
44. Kapaa (Kauai) MSA = 100,000 (0 destinations, 0 airlines)
45. Indianapolis CSA = 96,000 (3 destinations, 0 airlines)
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:49 am

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Is it just me or does it tell everyone "roundtrip not available for booking" for MSY-FRA on DE's site? They really need to get their act together. I'd like to support them, but I'm hesitant if they aren't even going to say who's operating the flight, and certainly not willing to pay a premium for a mystery service.


I tried to do a booking and it also wouldn't work for me when picking "roundtrip". One way bookings work fine.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:04 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Is it just me or does it tell everyone "roundtrip not available for booking" for MSY-FRA on DE's site? They really need to get their act together. I'd like to support them, but I'm hesitant if they aren't even going to say who's operating the flight, and certainly not willing to pay a premium for a mystery service.


I tried to do a booking and it also wouldn't work for me when picking "roundtrip". One way bookings work fine.


I agree that for pax in the know at this time, a crap shoot. I priced out a J seat for $1200 OW. But you don't know what you are getting for that. If its EuroAtlantic, thats a decent seat but Y at 2-4-2 is an absolute no-go. if its Omni, the J seat is less that PE on the legacies, but Y is 2-3-2.

Only pax with no clue will blindly pay the J price. Between the announcement delay and this "guess the plane" thing, I'm afraid this season will not measure up to last year, and once pax fly on either OAI or EA, either the J or Y pax will get off sorely disappointed thus wrecking the 2021 season.

On another a.net post, supposedly DE bought a 767 from mothballs, doubt that finds MSY however.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:24 pm

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14. Seattle CSA = 730,000 (23 destinations, 18 airlines) AS hub


DL also has a hub at SEA in addition to AS, and DL also already has nonstop service out of SEA to some international destinations in Asia and Europe.

In addition, DL's SkyTeam alliance partner AM already serves MEX nonstop from SEA.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:43 pm

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NolaMD88fan wrote:
14. Seattle CSA = 730,000 (23 destinations, 18 airlines) AS hub


DL also has a hub at SEA in addition to AS, and DL also already has nonstop service out of SEA to some international destinations in Asia and Europe.

In addition, DL's SkyTeam alliance partner AM already serves MEX nonstop from SEA.


Whoops.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:20 pm

Summary of BA S20 LHR longhaul changes

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-06dec19/

MSY gets 787-9 on selected Tuesdays (the additional frequency)

SJC gets the 747-400 daily, looks like it may be the IAH aircraft as it loses the 744 to a 777/787.

Its coming in small leaps and bounds, but BA's presence at MSY is steadily growing. Very soon, I expect to see daily service, the gauge I'm not so sure of.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:01 pm

MSY will actually see the BA 789 for about half of the month of April. These are recent changes.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:03 pm

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MSY will actually see the BA 789 for about half of the month of April. These are recent changes.


Good to know. Routesonline just had the summary data. Wonder if this is load related or they are swapping out some 788s to fix the engines and a 789 is all thats available?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:21 am

SunsetLimited wrote:
MSY will actually see the BA 789 for about half of the month of April. These are recent changes.

Still selling F cabin as extended J though, right?



SNN707 wrote:
but BA's presence at MSY is steadily growing.

Que?

The gauge and frequency have been the same since October 2017. It's almost January 2020.



SNN707 wrote:
Wonder if this is load related

There's only a net 2-seat difference between BA's 788 and 789.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:27 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
MSY will actually see the BA 789 for about half of the month of April. These are recent changes.

Still selling F cabin as extended J though, right?





SNN707 wrote:
but BA's presence at MSY is steadily growing.

Que?

The gauge and frequency have been the same since October 2017. It's almost January 2020.



SNN707 wrote:
Wonder if this is load related

There's only a net 2-seat difference between BA's 788 and 789.


On the growth thing, what I meant by steadily is not some meteoric rise but a slow, steady and consistent rise is LF - and more importantly - not going the other way as pax get that first TATL trip under their belt. To this we've been rewarded with an extra freq. Maybe NolaMD88 has the stats, but I'd be curious to see BA's rolling 12 month ending pax counts from Apr18 on to now. Such a figure smooths out monthly swings due to irrops and foremost, seasonality. Doesn't give us much help with yield but does indicate possibly when we'd outgrow the 788/789 just based on butts in seats.

As for the 789 then, I'd assume that J is selling well, and thats the reason for dragging that extra metal through the sky? Does the 789 have more PE seating as well?

I too am a bit disappointed that BA isn't daily yet, but there only so many planes to go around. We shook our heads at CHS, but for a few months out of the year, I presume it yields more money to BA that MSY going daily. Also the fact that other mainline haven't stepped in says a little as well.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:36 pm

Should be an interesting presentation today at the committee.


TRANSPORTATION AND AIRPORT COMMITTEE MEETING
December 11, 2019 10:00 AM
City Council Chambers

I. Roll Call

II. Approval of the minutes from the October 23, 2019 meeting

III. New MSY Terminal – Updates from NOAB on operations since opening. To present: Dir. Kevin Dolliole

IV. RIDE New Orleans – Public Transit to MSY and at Duncan Plaza from riders’ perspective. To present: Alex Posorske and Courtney Jackson

V. New Links Comprehensive Operations Analysis – Updates on COA from RPC. To present: Jason Sappington and Samuel Buckley

VI. Resolution for Accessible Pedestrian Signals – To urge and request the City of New Orleans to install accessible pedestrian signals at certain intersections and to develop a proactive policy for installing these signals moving forward. To present: Renee Vidrine, President, Lighthouse Louisiana; Jenice Heck, VP of Vision Rehab Services, Lighthouse Louisiana; David Green, Advocate Lighthouse Louisiana; Rev. Gregory Manning, Volunteer Lighthouse Louisiana

VII. Other Matters

VIII. Adjournment
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:10 pm

DE roundtrips are now working from MSY. Also, big hint that the partner airline will be EuroAtlantic in that under J details it says "lie-flat seat" - something Omni Air does not offer in its far less than DE J product and most other partner airline candidates don't fly the 763. That said, there's the 2-4-2 Y product in the back.......

Also, DE just announced 2x FRA-SJO (Costa Rica) nonstop starting in October - going head to head with LH, as they will SEA-MUC.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:15 pm

SNN707 wrote:
DE roundtrips are now working from MSY. Also, big hint that the partner airline will be EuroAtlantic in that under J details it says "lie-flat seat" - something Omni Air does not offer in its far less than DE J product and most other partner airline candidates don't fly the 763. That said, there's the 2-4-2 Y product in the back.......

Also, DE just announced 2x FRA-SJO (Costa Rica) nonstop starting in October - going head to head with LH, as they will SEA-MUC.


Not all of EuroAtlantic’s 763’s are 2/4/2. I was on a 2/3/2 bird back in June. That said, it was a very tired cabin. Regular DE Y was far and away better.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:53 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
DE roundtrips are now working from MSY. Also, big hint that the partner airline will be EuroAtlantic in that under J details it says "lie-flat seat" - something Omni Air does not offer in its far less than DE J product and most other partner airline candidates don't fly the 763. That said, there's the 2-4-2 Y product in the back.......

Also, DE just announced 2x FRA-SJO (Costa Rica) nonstop starting in October - going head to head with LH, as they will SEA-MUC.


Not all of EuroAtlantic’s 763’s are 2/4/2. I was on a 2/3/2 bird back in June. That said, it was a very tired cabin. Regular DE Y was far and away better.


I'm not 100% sure but the all Y E.A. 767s may be 2-3-2. The seatmap for the one with J I looked at was 2-4-2 in the back. Will need to further review this. The lie-flat J looks nice on the website but could be tired as well. I'd pay 2K for a RT in those - better than DEs by a bit. There's also no middle tier, either you'll get luxury or steerage this summer.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:25 pm

Link to transportation committee meeting where director discusses first month of operations


https://cityofno.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=42&clip_id=3505
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:27 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
Link to transportation committee meeting where director discusses first month of operations


https://cityofno.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=42&clip_id=3505


Some great info on the slide show. 1.43 million estimated passengers have used the new terminal since opening day. Record high 6400 cars parked on Nov. 29th, and 271,261 bags processed in November.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:16 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
Link to transportation committee meeting where director discusses first month of operations


https://cityofno.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=42&clip_id=3505


Some great info on the slide show. 1.43 million estimated passengers have used the new terminal since opening day. Record high 6400 cars parked on Nov. 29th, and 271,261 bags processed in November.


Also notable, overall concessions spending up 23% y-o-y with food sales up 32%. The increased revenue should help keep the CPE lower and provide funding for more capital projects as debt is retired.

I don't think it was mentioned at this meeting, but the RTA is considering a twice hourly airport to CBD express bus in its 2020 budget, so we could see that starting up in January if it is approved.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:50 pm

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Usually liquor permits are issued 45 days after filing... so a late January early Feb opening is most likely
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:42 am

As 2019 comes to a close and we're getting used to our new terminal, what changes do you forumers think most likely will happen in the next 5 years?

Terminal improvements, new routes/airlines, expansion, # of pax, what will the ST look like, etc.?

My 1st prediction is we will finally have a nonstop to PDX in 2020. Much harder is who will fly it. Order of likeliness: WN-AS-NK-F9
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:35 am

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Much harder is who will fly it. Order of likeliness: WN-AS-NK-F9

I wouldn't be surprised if SY sneaks them all.
They just launched BNA, STL, and MSN from Portland...
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:49 pm

A few recent changes:
NK adds a second TPA and MCO from Feb 17 to Mar 11, and a second DTW from Feb 13 to Apr 21. They've dabbled with second daily to LAS as well this fall. It would be nice to see these go year-round.

As far as I can tell WN looks roughly flat next summer. Surprising to me is LAS going from 2 to 1 daily - NK should take advantage of that.

DL appears to be dropping its weekend RDU service this summer. This was added as a response to NK adding its daily service. It appears NK is the victor in this market for now. Wouldn't be surprised to see it return as an A220 route once DL has enough of them.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:28 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
Much harder is who will fly it. Order of likeliness: WN-AS-NK-F9

I wouldn't be surprised if SY sneaks them all.
They just launched BNA, STL, and MSN from Portland...


Totally forgot about SY. Definitely a possibility. Looking at the SY routemap, kind of surprised how they are building up Mexico/Caribbean out of DFW. I'm sure DL puts up with SY in MSP and BNA because they are no threat for elites anymore (with no F), and theyre keeping AA a little bit busy at DFW.

https://images.ctfassets.net/2aov1ouggr ... _Light.jpg

Really don't know why SY couldn't hub those intl flights out of MSY, we're kind of geographically perfect vs going against AA in Dallas, and could generate some good O&D for the US feeder routes. (But I know the DFW Metroplex is huge population wise and can support those non daily flights)

SY is also starting Canada YVR - are they getting too spread out?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:50 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in June and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

June-
MSY-FRA ranked 23rd out of 24 routes in pax count falling between EW's RSW-DUS and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 13th out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DI's AUS-LGW and DY's OAK-FCO routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 17th out of 24 routes for load factor falling between FI's ANC-KEF and DL IND-CDG routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 22nd out of 24 routes for load factor falling between LH's AUS-FRA and FI's MCI-KEF routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 25th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and WW's PIT-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 8th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between BA's BNA-LHR and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 5th out of 28 routes for load factor falling between DI's OAK-LGW and DE's ANC-FRA routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 14th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between FI's ANC-KEF and BA'S PIT-LHR routes.

For all routes with service the entirety of the first half of the year, MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 12 routes for load factor.

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