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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:20 am

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It looks like WN is pulling out of MEX completely. I wonder if MEX demand is that weak or WN is just having a difficult time making it work.

WN's failure was as predictable as it was inevitable.

MEX p.o.s. is heavily skewed to the Mexican side, and much (if not most) of the VFR portion of the traffic pays in cash at city ticket offices. Trying to sell tix in a non-beach Mexican market, using only internal channels (i.e. the airline's own website), was a guaranteed recipe for failure.

B6 also had to learn this the hard way, but at least they reacted accordingly.

WN tried to change Mexican purchase patterns to suit them, instead of changing their methods to suit Mexican purchases--- now we see the result.
It's the same reason they've pulled back in *EVERY* other LatAm/Caribbean market that isn't majority US p.o.s.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:03 am

Some recent pics of the interior on this instagram account. Looks like the LED displays are being installed on the elevator and along the check-in desks.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs_aRMUlJPX/
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:48 pm

anyone have any information on the mesh ceiling and why they are painting it black now? hard to see them sticking with that look if painting black
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:19 am

Y4 publicly planning to add new US cities, be interesting to see where they choose.

Most likely be from GDL though, so rather doubt MSY would be among that number. Wonder if it'd trigger some kind of related AM response?
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:22 am

Y4 did submit a route authorization application to fly to MSY along with several other cities back in 2016. AM immediately renewed their route authorization after the Y4 filing. WN is handing back some MEX slots, but not sure who will end up getting them. GDL is a also substantial connecting hub for Y4, so that could help in terms of filling up the back of the plane. We'll see if anything comes of it. Would be nice to have either AM or Y4 in the market.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:11 pm

One key thing that holds MSY back from gaining substantial service to Mexico is the relatively low population of Mexican citizens in the area compared to cities of similar size.

The New Orleans area has always been home to a lot of people with direct ties to Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, etc, but not necessarily from Mexico.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:06 pm

Very true. Thus, the successful CM operation here. We'll have to wait and see where Y4 ends up expanding to.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:26 am

Interesting read (from 2017) concerning New Orleans' hispanic population demographics

http://news.aag.org/2017/10/a-glance-at ... mmunities/
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:34 am

UK CAA stats are out for December. https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA ... alysis.pdf

After reviewing the flight record for December, it looks like there were no flights on 12/24, 12/25, or 12/31. It is unknown why the flight did not operate on those dates. The flight performed comparably to the other 788/789 markets for the month in terms of load factor.

The MSY-LHR route had a load factor of 73.1% in December. There were 5,942 pax flying on 8,132 offered seats. Last year, the load factor was 76.1% with 6,185 pax flying on 8,132 offered seats. The pax decline was -3.9% year over year.

The following breaks down the numbers for each station that sees 788/789 flying exclusively.

Station..........Dec. Seats........Dec. Pax........Dec. LF.......Annual Seats.......Annual Pax......Annual LF
BWI................12,840...............9,904.............77.8%..........153,224...............128,387...........83.8%
BNA................7,276................5,350..............73.5%...........70,192.................58,183...........82.9%
MSY................8,132................5,942..............73.1%.........109,568.................85,932...........78.4%
SJC...............13,392................9,048..............67.6%.........146,448...............110,016...........75.1%
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:17 am

ICYMI - AA is adding a 9th DFW flight, putting them at 30 departures this summer. I was kinda hoping for PHX though...
I wonder if they'll overtake DL this year. Between an extra DFW and the 2nd LAX flight, it should be close. DL hasn't done much except a few weekend flights.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:45 am

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Between an extra DFW and the 2nd LAX flight, it should be close.

The second LAX flight is going seasonal, but the DFW is upgauging to A321.

So a bit of a wash.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:25 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Between an extra DFW and the 2nd LAX flight, it should be close.

The second LAX flight is going seasonal, but the DFW is upgauging to A321.

So a bit of a wash.


When is it going seasonal? I checked a bunch of random dates and it still shows 2 daily year-round
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:49 am

New information website for KMSY...
https://www.thenewmsy.com
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:42 am

October 2018 domestic and July 2018 international load factors and passenger numbers by route finally calculated.

International load factor for all carriers in June was 82.5%. Passenger traffic grew by 4.5% and seat count grew by 5% resulting in a -0.4% decline in load factor. DL had a significant decline in traffic, capacity, and load factors to CUN likey due to the introduction of WN on the route. This flight will not be returning for the S19 season. CM, DE, BA, and AC all had load factors above 80% for the month.

July International route seat count(%change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change)

Airline............Seats.............................Pax..........................LF
AC................4,704(+2.4%)................3,843(+0.3%).........81.7%(-1.7%)
BA................9,206(+19.3%)..............7,398(+24.6%).......80.4%(+3.5%)
CM...............4,464(+26.3%)..............4,121(+29.4%).......92.3%(+2.2%)
DE................4,590(+0.3%)................4,102(+15.3%).......89.4%(+11.7%)
DL................1,262(-15.3%)...................809(-41.6%).......64.1%(-28.8%)
UA................1,328(+6.8%)................1,083(-2.5%)..........81.6%(-7.7%)
WG..................679(-76.8%)..................357(-86.3%)........52.6%(-41.0%)
WN...............1,144................................863......................75.4%

On the domestic side, airport-wide seat count grew by 7.4% and pax traffic grew by 8.5% resulting in a +0.8% increase in load factors to 84.3%. NK's MSY-ORD route had the best loads of the month at 92.8%. G4's MSY-RDU route had the worst loads of the month at 60.0%. Year to date, the UA's MSY-DEN route had the best load factor at 91.7%, and NK's MSY-ACY had the worst load factor at 62.5%.

October Domestic route seat count(% change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change):

Airline............Seats.............................Pax..........................LF
AS................20,870(+90.0%)...........18,408(+90.5%)......88.2%(+0.2%)
AA...............205,882(+0.7%)...........177,146(+3.2%).......86.0%(+2.2%)
B6................50,129(+12.1%)............42,391(+21.4%)......84.6%(+6.5%)
DL...............225,299(+5.8%)............194,258(+5.5%).......86.2%(-0.3%)
F9................33,476(-6.7%)...............28,939(-4.9%).........86.5%(+1.7%)
G4..................9,580(-51.3%)..............7,048(-50.1%).......73.6%(+1.8%)
NK...............134,325(+26.6%).........116,173(+36.2%).....86.5%(+6.1%)
SY..................2,730............................2,156.....................79.0%
UA..............186,977(+12.6%)..........161,353(+13.8%).....86.3%(+0.9%)
WN.............519,143(+9.5%)............421,843(+6.9%).......81.3%(-2.0%)

Domestic
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J_XIgbK86N2kPFUiFgeyVdPNanrB2qatLCIShRtCRLs/edit?usp=sharing

International
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B6bS8RNmaygLVtQ18N7aIAziuHLr6W1g1XTgve_M-Lg/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Re: New OrleansDecided to see how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA def Aviation Thread -

Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:04 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in July and YTD.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

July-
MSY-LHR ranked 17th out of 34 routes in pax count falling between DI's AUS-LGW and WW's STL-KEF routes.
MSY-FRA ranked 31st out of 34 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-FCO and FI's MCI-KEF routes.
MSY-FRA ranked 8th out of 34 routes for load factor falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-LGW routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 23rd out of 34 routes for load factor falling between AA's RDU-LHR and WW's CVG-KEF routes.

YTD-
MSY-LHR ranked 8th out of 36 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-BCN and EI's BDL-DUB routes.
MSY-FRA ranked 31st out of 36 routes in pax count falling between DE's AUS-FRA and FI's MCI-KEF routes.
MSY-FRA ranked 2nd out of 36 routes for load factor falling between BA's BNA-LHR and DE's AUS-FRA routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 21st out of 36 routes for load factor falling between WW's PIT-KEF and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

Note: for routes flown all 7 months, MSY-LHR ranked 8th out of 13 routes for load factor falling between WW's PIT-KEF and DL's CVG-CDG routes.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:36 pm

msycajun wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Between an extra DFW and the 2nd LAX flight, it should be close.

The second LAX flight is going seasonal, but the DFW is upgauging to A321.

So a bit of a wash.


When is it going seasonal? I checked a bunch of random dates and it still shows 2 daily year-round


It showed up in the OAG this week. PHL goes up to 3 daily for the summer, so think it's still 30 departures for AA or close to it.

Also from the OAG report:
WN is up about 5 departures in Aug/Sept y-o-y with extra flights to AUS, SAT, MDW, FLL, and BNA. Not surprisingly, they aren't doing the 3rd LAX for those months. Between that and AA, maybe it's an opportunity to UA to jump in or NK to add a second flight.

NK moved up the start of the seasonal DFW into April. I hope they make it year-round again.
 
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Re: New OrleansDecided to see how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA def Aviation Thread -

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:54 am

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July-
MSY-FRA ranked 8th out of 34 routes

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 2nd out of 36 routes

Thanks as always for compiling these.

It's great to see how successful DE has been on this route!
I'll bet Lufty is keeping their eyes on it.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:01 am

Worth noting though that they've dropped the 30J seat configuration that they had showing for MSY (at least for July) and are now showing the 18J config again.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:07 am

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Worth noting though that they've dropped the 30J seat configuration that they had showing for MSY (at least for July) and are now showing the 18J config again.


I guess J class demand wasn't high enough that month. I noticed DE are also selling a basic economy fare now called economy light.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:05 am

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I noticed DE are also selling a basic economy fare now called economy light.

Yeah, they've had that up for a while now.

They also seem to vault between the J configurations on their site, before a season starts. They did the same to AUS, then launched the standard low-J there as well, before pulling out.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:32 pm

Vino Volo
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:26 am

Some more recent pics. https://imgur.com/a/azOfpUO

Looks like most of the ceiling is in place in the arrivals area. Glass barriers going up on the walkways in the main terminal. See some vendor construction in one of the concourses (not sure if B or C). Biggest project left is ceiling in the departures level of the main terminal based on these pics. It's planned to be a mesh type of ceiling (you'll still be able to see the structural elements), so it should be a fairly quick install. I wish there were more pics of the gate areas and some of the baggage claim area, but can't complain.

One of the courses:
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Post-Security near Concourse C and the DL SkyClub:
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Pre-security arrivals area on the lower level:
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Main atrium in the pre-security depatures area:
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Pre-security arrivals area on the lower level looking up to the departures area:
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More of the arrivals area:
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Passenger screening area:
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Ceiling and skylight in the main atrium (Ceiling will be covered by a see through mesh system):
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Ramp between Concourse B and C:
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Arrivals pick up area:
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Departures drop off area:
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:27 am

Thanks for sharing.

There never seem to be any pics of the inside of the international concourse though... that's the one I'm really interested in seeing!
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:24 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

There never seem to be any pics of the inside of the international concourse though... that's the one I'm really interested in seeing!


Agreed. Always seems like the pics are from the same places. Probably just restricting tours to specific areas to not interrupt construction activities.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:35 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

There never seem to be any pics of the inside of the international concourse though... that's the one I'm really interested in seeing!


Agreed. Always seems like the pics are from the same places. Probably just restricting tours to specific areas to not interrupt construction activities.


This makes it seem like they will make the May deadline. The reality of the situation is that I do not think they will make that deadline. Not all 3 concourses.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:00 pm

msyflyer wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

There never seem to be any pics of the inside of the international concourse though... that's the one I'm really interested in seeing!


Agreed. Always seems like the pics are from the same places. Probably just restricting tours to specific areas to not interrupt construction activities.


This makes it seem like they will make the May deadline. The reality of the situation is that I do not think they will make that deadline. Not all 3 concourses.



i just noticed on way home from work yesterday digital billboards advertising "the New MSY".. so social media rollout is starting to happen... the airport is going to make that may date one way or the other it seems.. we are at a little over 90 days out from opening.. does anyone know if they are working 24 hour shifts right now on construction? seems like they should be... oh and no doubt this airport opening delay from last year wasnt just for the sewer line
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:06 pm

also this is the only real pic weve gotten of A.. this was from november last year i think

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:24 pm

^ Nice!

It's not as narrow as I thought, but still pretty dang narrow. I haven't really studied the concessions pics all that much, but seems it's going to be pretty tight for any non-essential areas added into there.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:11 pm

Some more pics posted by the airport today.

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:00 am

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^ Nice!

It's not as narrow as I thought, but still pretty dang narrow. I haven't really studied the concessions pics all that much, but seems it's going to be pretty tight for any non-essential areas added into there.



this is literally the end of the terminal A as you can see by the white wall along the other side.. part of the beginning of A will have concessions across from it otherwise the only concession on the tarmac side will be duty free store with the opposite being a white wall towards the end of the terminal... im guessing they may put some art work on that wall or advertising or something to utilize it
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:59 am

this rfp was put out today by the city: looks like they are working on runways soon


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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:54 am

Good to see there are plans to extend Taxiway G in the works. Much needed with the location of the new terminal now north of RWY 11/29.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:41 am

I do find it interesting that they seem to believe the airport serves 20MM pax/yr.... a 54% increase would be nice, but yeahhh don't think they're there yet. ;)

Maybe that's the terminal's design capacity, and they're confusing it with that?
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:39 pm

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I do find it interesting that they seem to believe the airport serves 20MM pax/yr.... a 54% increase would be nice, but yeahhh don't think they're there yet. ;)

Maybe that's the terminal's design capacity, and they're confusing it with that?



certainly caught my eye because it was obviously not true but i think you nailed it with design capacity of current runways maybe?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:33 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
I do find it interesting that they seem to believe the airport serves 20MM pax/yr.... a 54% increase would be nice, but yeahhh don't think they're there yet. ;)

Maybe that's the terminal's design capacity, and they're confusing it with that?



Thinking more about it Im sure the 20 million is referring to terminal capacity on the north side of the runway since the design rfp is asking for schematics and programming to accomodate that which im sure would also want to anticipate future growth on that side of the runway
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:27 am

The 20 million definitely had to be the projected capacity of the new terminal.

DE (Condor) July Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
MSP...........9152......8867........96.89%
SEA.........15770....15225........96.54%
SJU...........1928......1854.........96.16%
BWI...........8622......8262.........95.82%
LAS...........8836......8372.........94.75%
PHX...........4450......4212........94.65%
PDX...........8502......8001........94.11%
MSY...........4590......4102........89.37%
AUS...........6394......5674........88.74%
ANC...........7490......6621........88.40%
PIT..............6630.....5488........82.78%

Not much to say that hasn't been mentioned in previous posts about how well the DE route performed this season compared to last year.

CM (Copa) July Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
JFK...........33880....32696.......96.51%
LAX..........34188.....32286.......94.44%
IAD...........25444.....23911.......93.98%
BOS..........13544....12572.......92.82%
MCO.........42288....39170.......92.63%
MIA...........58686....54322.......92.56%
MSY............4464.....4121........92.32%
ORD..........25332....23347.......92.16%
SFO..........24640...22650........91.92%
SJU...........15910...14527........91.31%
LAS.............9770....8909.........91.19%
DEN............5284....4811.........91.05%
FLL.............6184.....5580........90.23%
TPA............6380.....5727.........89.76%

Right in the middle of the pack. Wondering if we'll see either the 738 or a frequency increase on the route first.

BA (British Airways) July Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
BWI..........12870.....11817.......91.82%
MIA..........41664.....37840.......90.82%
SFO.........46128.....41817.......90.65%
DEN.........20557.....18580.......90.38%
SEA..........26868....24218.......90.14%
LAX..........69388.....62355.......89.86%
IAD...........37545.....33614.......89.53%
PHL..........22617.....19607.......86.69%
BOS.........70651.....60986.......86.32%
ORD.........46128.....39694.......86.05%
SAN..........18258....15660........85.77%
EWR.........26547....22753........85.71%
DFW.........19546.....16598.......84.92%
IAH...........27493.....23335.......84.88%
LAS..........37445.....31616.......84.43%
JFK........155007...130473........84.17%
BNA...........9416.......7925........84.17%
ATL.......... 13998....11762........84.03%
SJC..........12744....10686........83.85%
AUS.........20770....17269.........83.14%
MCO........34514.....28242........81.83%
OAK...........6600......5392.........81.70%
PHX.........30330.....24706........81.46%
MSY...........9206......7398.........80.36%
TPA..........17904....13101........73.17%
FLL............6956......4924........70.79%

The BA flight remained a bit of a laggard compared to most other stations in July.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:18 pm

Thought some of you might be interested to see that NK's RDU-MSY route got a mention in the latest earnings call:

Michael Linenberg -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Yes. Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, Matt, question to you as it relates to route selection since it's been, real integral to I think your out performance over the last year. If I take a market like Raleigh to New Orleans, which I know you're going to start in May. It looks like allegiance going to be on that market, Frontier's going to be in that market, that's a Southwest market, I think Delta is going to add service. And when I think about how Spirit differentiates yourself, it does look like you are going to start with the superior schedule, you'll be daily, you clearly have improved your ops, is that -- as we think about a number of players moving into a particular city pair is -- is that how we think about sort of longer term your staying power because of the superior schedule the ops, maybe a better product, as you talked about improve loyalty and even improvement on the credit card et cetera?

Matt Klein -- Senior Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer

Yes. So Mike, yes. That's correct. We definitely come in the markets and when we do route selection, we are looking for places that we think are overpriced and underserved and sometimes that includes markets that have a lot of players in them already. And we believe that the items you mentioned is what we bring. We are among the best in on-time performance, that matters to customers. And in addition to that, one thing that, Ted talked about in his remarks and one thing that I can add onto a little bit is that in some cases there's also going to be real estate or gate situations at certain airports that basically say to us, make a decision Spirit. What are you going to do? How are you thinking about your network opportunities and when you're going to go grab them? So in some cases, we will advance ads, if we think that's the right thing for us to do, because the city that we want to be in and it's a place that if we don't move soon then we might not be able to go back in there for a couple of years. So in some cases, you're going to also see that from some of our routes selection. But by and large we're not going to do that, if we don't think it's a good opportunity at the right time for us anyway. So that's kind of how we think about route selection. And then just going back to what we did with our international expansion out of Orlando, there is a number of routes in there that no one else serves. So it's not that we're looking to go into routes where others already exist or a market is there, we will definitely look, look for places that we think is best for us to bring our low fares and our high quality service to that market.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:00 am

Airport posted the latest aerial of the new terminal facilities. Looks like the sewer line work must be done since there is now ramp paving going on in the vicinity of Concourse A. It also looks like additional paving has occurred on the northeast side of the ramp, and they are finally working on extending the southern connector to taxiway S. Not much ramp paving left to do overall.

Parking lot pay booths look like they are in place that service both the garage and surface lot. Paving looks done on the surface lot to the west. Can also clearly see the departures and arrivals area protective awnings now. New parking deck to the east is progressing nicely with additional foundation footings in place. Pretty much all of the road network looks done except for the portion that joins in with the state funded road connecting to Loyola west of the traffic circle. We'll probably start seeing some landscaping work being completed with the next aerial now that the roads are pretty much done.

All of the jetbridges are also in place on Concourse B and C.

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:03 pm

Michael Linenberg -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst
If I take a market like Raleigh to New Orleans, which I know you're going to start in May. It looks like allegiance going to be on that market, Frontier's going to be in that market, that's a Southwest market, I think Delta is going to add service.

That's an interesting tidbit.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:03 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Michael Linenberg -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst
If I take a market like Raleigh to New Orleans, which I know you're going to start in May. It looks like allegiance going to be on that market, Frontier's going to be in that market, that's a Southwest market, I think Delta is going to add service.

That's an interesting tidbit.

I think he's referring to DL's 2 weekly RDU service which was announced in response to NK adding the route.

To me the more interesting part is the talk about jumping into markets before they might be fully ready in order to beat competitors. Makes me wonder what routes might fit that description from MSY. Particularly in the west, they might try to beat other ULCCs and legacies to SAN and PHX, maybe PDX (SY might be looking to expand there) or beat DL to a daily SEA service. In the Midwest, IND, PIT and CVG probably still have room for stimulation beyond what G4 and WN are offering.

I was especially shocked to see the fares WN's is charging for the SAN nonstop. Nothing less than 500 RT for the entire schedule. Someone needs to compete there.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:21 pm

msycajun wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Michael Linenberg -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst
If I take a market like Raleigh to New Orleans, which I know you're going to start in May. It looks like allegiance going to be on that market, Frontier's going to be in that market, that's a Southwest market, I think Delta is going to add service.

That's an interesting tidbit.

I think he's referring to DL's 2 weekly RDU service which was announced in response to NK adding the route.

Fair enough. I was wondering he was saying that he thinks DL will try to expand it to daily-ish in the near-term.



msycajun wrote:
Makes me wonder what routes might fit that description from MSY.

I was so hoping that that meant international, but due to the way he spoke of staving off competition, I'm guessing he meant domestic.

Can you imagine Spirit someday doing like a 2xW MSY-SAP, 1xW MSY-TGU, 1xW MSY-LCE, A319... perhaps winter seasonal on the last two, all of which have had MSY nonstops in the past. They could throw in cnnx to California, Florida, Texas, NYC and ORD.

Love to see them toss MSY a bone like that some day!



msycajun wrote:
Particularly in the west

They've already as much as said what that is: they want to grow LAX. There's a thread about it. Same for ORD.
Gates are their constraint though, and they're trying to figure out how to get around it.



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maybe PDX (SY might be looking to expand there)

I'm confounded at how they left MSY out of (their initial round of?) that, while adding nearby markets without much difference in numbers.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:10 am

It's going to very interesting seeing what additions NK has in store for MSY with 4 gates in the new terminal. PHX, OAK, SAN, IND, PIT, BDL, JAX, and RIC all seem like logical domestic adds given these markets either lack competition or have no current service and decent PDEW numbers. SAP at a minimum would be a nice international add.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:14 am

G4 extended their schedule into November. RDU is gone after August and IND doesn't appear to be returning for the fall. CVG and USA continue throughout the schedule and PIT and SDF return in October.

IND is a surprise if they don't bring it back in the winter/spring. NK could probably make it work at least 3 weekly.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:30 am

msycajun wrote:
G4 extended their schedule into November. RDU is gone after August and IND doesn't appear to be returning for the fall. CVG and USA continue throughout the schedule and PIT and SDF return in October.

IND is a surprise if they don't bring it back in the winter/spring. NK could probably make it work at least 3 weekly.


IND-MSY has been March-May for a while now, sad there can't be any "real service" on this route.....
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:40 am

Midwestindy wrote:
sad there can't be any "real service" on this route.....

Not sure what you're referring to, but if you mean an alternative to G4, then WN is on the route.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:13 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
sad there can't be any "real service" on this route.....

Not sure what you're referring to, but if you mean an alternative to G4, then WN is on the route.


I mean service more than 1x-2x weekly
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:28 am

msycajun wrote:
G4 extended their schedule into November. RDU is gone after August and IND doesn't appear to be returning for the fall. CVG and USA continue throughout the schedule and PIT and SDF return in October.

IND is a surprise if they don't bring it back in the winter/spring. NK could probably make it work at least 3 weekly.


RDU not returning after August is not surprising with 4 other carries also flying the route now (DL, WN, NK, and F9).

WN has had pretty good loads on the IND route (82.6% full last year through October), so it would be nice to see them go daily. If they don't, this route has NK written all over it once they get more established in IND.

G4 has really struggled to get a foothold here outside of a couple of markets. CVG and USA are the two strongest, so no surprise they are continuing on throughout the entire schedule extension.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:19 am

Not sure if this will work for those who don't have excel. http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/outreachpages/ ... xLak87ZxGA

The overseas visitiation numbers for US metro areas were finally released for 2017. Normally these are released in August, but there was a delay due to some data issues. New Orleans had approx. 459,000 annual or 1,258 daily overseas visitors in 2017 which was a slight -0.6% decline from 2016.

New Orleans was the 23rd most visited metro area of the country in 2017 by overseas visitors. Key West was just ahead of us, and Buffalo-Niagara Falls was just behind us.

Note: The data does not include visitation from Canada or Mexico, and it is pulled from survey forms filled out by those visiting the US through either air, sea, or land travel. Of course, most of these visitors will be arriving by air.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:28 am

Interesting stats, though they don't correlate to air service, especially due to being split by metro area as opposed to overlapping CSA.

I mean, SBA is clearly not a larger overseas air market than EWR.
Same for BUF over DTW.

In terms of just overseas foot traffic, it's interesting to note that MSY is still roughly twice the size of AUS and BNA; indicating that the potential for growth is totally there, just has to be reached (yields of course, notwithstanding). Interesting.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:59 am

The New Orleans brand still has a huge head start over some of these newer, flashier, hipster filled cities. Also, agreed concerning not being a perfect proxy for air service. Some markets like Flagstaff are most likely dominated by auto or rail traffic with most of the visitors initially arriving in PHX or LAS.

Looking at the country profiles...we show up for the UK. Quick math puts UK visitors at 206 per day in 2017.

http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/outreachpages/ ... ngdom.xlsx
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