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FlyHPN
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:42 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
77L: N704DK should enter SIN for 7HB conversion on 2/21

Is it actually getting 7HB mods, and not 7CB mods?

Correct. 7CB mods occur in ATL post 7HB mods in SIN.


That’s what I thought, thanks!
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:47 pm

NateGreat wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Any word on routes for the 764s with the new cabin?

This is a W19-20 issue as the lone 764 with D-Suite will fly as a spare during S19. If i was to speculate, the first few will likely fly on high profile TATL routes currently flown by 332/764. So ATL/JFK-LHR could be good bets. The reality is that all 21 764s will be converted in very quick order (4 simultaneous lines in CAN) so all routes currently flown by 332/764 are candidates for them in S20.

When the 332s get their new flagship cabins, their overall seat capacity will likely be drawn down to around what the 763s have now, making them the prime low-capacity widebody Jets.

The B764s are losing six seats with the introduction of the D1 Suites, from 40-34, so it will be interesting to see what the D1 Suites count will be on the A332s/A333s, both of which currently have 34 D1 seats.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:04 pm

audidudi wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
This is a W19-20 issue as the lone 764 with D-Suite will fly as a spare during S19. If i was to speculate, the first few will likely fly on high profile TATL routes currently flown by 332/764. So ATL/JFK-LHR could be good bets. The reality is that all 21 764s will be converted in very quick order (4 simultaneous lines in CAN) so all routes currently flown by 332/764 are candidates for them in S20.

When the 332s get their new flagship cabins, their overall seat capacity will likely be drawn down to around what the 763s have now, making them the prime low-capacity widebody Jets.

The B764s are losing six seats with the introduction of the D1 Suites, from 40-34, so it will be interesting to see what the D1 Suites count will be on the A332s/A333s, both of which currently have 34 D1 seats.


I assume the A333 would match the A339s, no?

I suspect we will see the return of the 764 to LHR routes to free up the A332 and A333s for longer range missions. The swap was only done originally because of the 764 D1 was subpar.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:04 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
The first batch of 17x 339s match one-for-one the oldest batch of 17x 763ERs (1990-93 builds; 171-184 + 152-156).
...
> 4x 763ERs (76Ls) retired during W19-20, namely N171DN, N172DN, N174DN and N175DN. All are 1990 builds and are due for maintenance in that period
...
Looking at the recent maintenance visits of the 17x oldest 763ERs gives us a bit of an idea of the pecking order for retirements:
171/172/174/175 - maintenance in ATL in W17/18 but nothing since
179/180 - heavies in CAN in W17/18
154/155/181 - new paint in AMA in W17/18
152/176/177/178/156/182/183/184 - heavies in CAN/VQQ/ATL/ILN in W18/19

Interestingly, it looks like we will see the end of the 76L fleet by 2020.


How many 76Ls will there be in the fleet this summer? Is it down to something like 12 with something like 37 76Zs?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:39 pm

CMH2578 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
When the 332s get their new flagship cabins, their overall seat capacity will likely be drawn down to around what the 763s have now, making them the prime low-capacity widebody Jets.

The B764s are losing six seats with the introduction of the D1 Suites, from 40-34, so it will be interesting to see what the D1 Suites count will be on the A332s/A333s, both of which currently have 34 D1 seats.


I assume the A333 would match the A339s, no?

I suspect we will see the return of the 764 to LHR routes to free up the A332 and A333s for longer range missions. The swap was only done originally because of the 764 D1 was subpar.


Does anyone have the new seat map for the 767-400ER with the D1 suites? When is the first one going to enter service?

What is DL doing in terms of the A330's with the new D1 Suites are they going to have overhead bins over the mid-aisle seats? Or will they have the cathedral ceilings like the A350-900? Will the bin configuration be the same on the old A330's and the A330NEO?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:40 pm

CMH2578 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
When the 332s get their new flagship cabins, their overall seat capacity will likely be drawn down to around what the 763s have now, making them the prime low-capacity widebody Jets.

The B764s are losing six seats with the introduction of the D1 Suites, from 40-34, so it will be interesting to see what the D1 Suites count will be on the A332s/A333s, both of which currently have 34 D1 seats.


I assume the A333 would match the A339s, no?

I suspect we will see the return of the 764 to LHR routes to free up the A332 and A333s for longer range missions. The swap was only done originally because of the 764 D1 was subpar.

If I remember correctly, about 5 years ago or so, just about every Delta route to/from LHR used at least one 764 daily, among the many 763s. When the 764s became the first planes in Delta’s fleet to get lie-flat seats back in 2009, they were used for many of the LHR flights. Almost a year ago now, Delta swapped the 767s for A330s on a majority of their LHR flights. This was simply because the 330s had a business class product more similar to that of London-based transatlantic partner, Virgin Atlantic. Now that the 764s are getting the Delta One Suites, Premium Select, next generation Comfort Plus seats, next generation Main Cabin seats, LED cabin mood lighting, etc, they will be perfect for Delta’s LHR flights, and even better than the currently-offered cabin product on the A330-200/300.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 am

FSDan wrote:
How many 76Ls will there be in the fleet this summer? Is it down to something like 12 with something like 37 76Zs?

I count 12x 76L, 37x 76Z and 7x 76T for S19. In S20, you're looking at 8x 76L, maybe less, but should not necessarily impact routes flown as SEA-Asia moves from 76T to 339s making room to maintain routes on high-J frames.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 am

Well, this is some pretty big news, I think!
https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-f ... -us-cities
Looks like the first A330-900neo route has been revealed, although this route would launch in Summer 2020, after the first A339s will have started passenger service. Also, it looks like the 767-300ERs might be receiving the same cabin as the 767-400ERs. Could these new routes, paired with currently existing LAX and MSP to HND routes, mean that all Delta flights to NRT will be terminated?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:47 am

Just found some more news regarding the A330-900neo! This is what the seating plan will look like. Apparently, they’re going 1-2-1 for the Delta One Suites.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456009/
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:49 am

NateGreat wrote:
Also, it looks like the 767-300ERs might be receiving the same cabin as the 767-400ERs.


It was announced months ago that all widebodies are to get suites by the end of 2021.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:38 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Also, it looks like the 767-300ERs might be receiving the same cabin as the 767-400ERs.

It was announced months ago that all widebodies are to get suites by the end of 2021.

A word of caution. Not all 763ERs will get D Suites. Only the ones remaining longer term.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:55 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
A word of caution. Not all 763ERs will get D Suites. Only the ones remaining longer term.


Do you have any idea how many that is? At the very least I'd think the 4 remaining ex-GF frames (known maintenance hogs) and the first 8 original Delta frames (close to or exceeding 130,000 airframe hours) wouldn't be included.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:54 am

seabosdca wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
A word of caution. Not all 763ERs will get D Suites. Only the ones remaining longer term.

Do you have any idea how many that is? At the very least I'd think the 4 remaining ex-GF frames (known maintenance hogs) and the first 8 original Delta frames (close to or exceeding 130,000 airframe hours) wouldn't be included.

At least 17 frames by my count (1990-93 built frames) will not get D1 Suites and be retired by the end of 2021. Maybe more. I don't expect any of the 76Ls to get the mod. The million $ question is whether there will be 1 or 2 configurations for the 763ERs with D Suites. I'd put my money on a single low-J density configuration with the high-J routes migrating to the D Suites 332s.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:02 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
77L: N704DK should enter SIN for 7HB conversion on 2/21

Is it actually getting 7HB mods, and not 7CB mods?

Correct. 7CB mods occur in ATL post 7HB mods in SIN.

This is somewhat strange...it looks like N704DK is returning to ATL on Saturday. Is this an error on FR24 or for real?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n704dk
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:07 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/20
763: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:32pm ATL-TPA-ATL rotation (N140LL)
763ER-high J: scheduled swap from 333 on SEA-NRT flight - maintenance swap (N1609)
763ER-low J: scheduled additional ATL-MCO flight (N194DN)
763ER-low J: SLC-CDG rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N1602)
763ER-low J: NRT-DNA-IWK-NRT military charter (N16065)
332: scheduled swap from KLM on ATL-AMS-ATL rotation (N860NW)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-HND-MSP rotation (N866DA)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/21
763ER-high J: NRT-CAN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N1609)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 7:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N1613B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 3:25pm ATL-BOS-ATL rotation (N1613B)
763ER-high J: ATL-RIV-NKT-ATL military charter (N179DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 7:30am ATL-BOS-ATL rotation (N183DN)
763ER-low J: JFK-BOS ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N155DL)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 8:10am ATL-SAN-ATL rotation (N181DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on SEA-PEK-SEA rotation (N192DN)
763ER-low J: JFK-MAD route migrates from high-J effective 2/21 (N195DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:40am JFK-ATL flight (N196DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on 12:33pm ATL-DEN-ATL rotation (N196DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:55am ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N199DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 8:10am ATL-JFK flight (N1200K)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 9:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N1201P)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from 333 on NRT-SEA flight (N169DZ)
332: unscheduled swap from 333 on LHR-JFK-LHR rotation (N854NW/N857NW)
332: scheduled swap from KLM on ATL-AMS-ATL rotation (N860NW)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 11:07am ATL-LAX-ATL rotation (N826MH)
7HB: unscheduled swap from 7HD on ATL-CDG-MSP rotation (N706DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on LHR-DTW-LHR rotation (N812NW/N818NW)
359: N513DZ performed its CAF @ TLS - delivery imminent (future #13 A359)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:44 pm

NateGreat wrote:
Just found some more news regarding the A330-900neo! This is what the seating plan will look like. Apparently, they’re going 1-2-1 for the Delta One Suites.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456009/


If you see the slides carefully, the description lacks "and closable door in Delta One" which is evident in A350 and 777.

Is it just a mistake, or is Delta not adding the closing door to the D1 "suites"?

Image

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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:07 am

ITSTours wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Just found some more news regarding the A330-900neo! This is what the seating plan will look like. Apparently, they’re going 1-2-1 for the Delta One Suites.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456009/


If you see the slides carefully, the description lacks "and closable door in Delta One" which is evident in A350 and 777.

Is it just a mistake, or is Delta not adding the closing door to the D1 "suites"?

Image

Image


I thought the same thing. What I suspect has happened is the FAA hasn't approved the exception yet, so they have placed the Vantage XL in as a placeholder.

Airbus seeks approval for mini-suite for US carrier's A330neo: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/airbus-to-fit-29-mini-suites-in-us-carriers-a330neo-454074

Delta refers to Delta One suites in the news release: http://news.delta.com/delta-orders-10-additional-a330-900neos-replace-older-widebody-jets-facilitate-measured-growth
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:10 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Also, it looks like the 767-300ERs might be receiving the same cabin as the 767-400ERs.

It was announced months ago that all widebodies are to get suites by the end of 2021.

A word of caution. Not all 763ERs will get D Suites. Only the ones remaining longer term.


That doesn't change the veracity of the statement that all widebodies will have D1 suites in 2021. If you count 17 767 retirements, and the Annual report confirms 17 A339s due before the end of 2021, then it's a very low-growth trajectory for long-haul flying.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:21 am

7105, N705DN, appears to be headed to SIN for mods, and is scheduled to arrive from Fairbanks, AK on 24 Feb:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n705dn
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:38 am

Life at Delta must never get boring... OSN-FAI military charter on a 77L (immediately before that ferry to SIN).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:40 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/22
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from low-J on SEA-CDG-SEA rotation (N1607B)
763ER-high J: scheduled additional ATL-JFK flight (N1613B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 7:30pm JFK-ATL-JFK rotation (N1613B)
763ER-high J: Additional (5:30pm) JFK-BCN-JFK rotation effective 2/22 (N175DN)
763ER-high J: ATL-COS-MSP-HHN-KWI-HHN-MSP military charter (N179DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 9:44am ATL-LAX-ATL rotation (N180DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on SEA-PEK-SEA rotation (N189DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 320 on 1:40pm ATL-DTW-ATL rotation (N197DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 5:55pm ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N171DZ)
332: scheduled swap from KLM on ATL-AMS-ATL rotation (N860NW)
764: JFK-GTB-AER-JFK military charter (N829MH)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-HND-MSP rotation (N866DA)
77L: N705DN to replace N704DK as the next 7HB mod entry on 2/25
7HD: N865DA entered 7CD mods in ATL on 2/21
7HB: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-CDG-MSP rotation (N706DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:46 pm

One of following is bound to happen; with all DL NRT ops set to terminate, CAN DL simply transfer their few remaining intra Asia flying to HND? I think all thats left is SIN and MNL. With SEA expansion being mostly complete by mid 2020, will we instead see a DL SEA-SIN flight and a SEA-MNL flight? Does the 339 have the legs for a SEA-SIN flight?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:54 pm

jumbojet wrote:
One of following is bound to happen; with all DL NRT ops set to terminate, CAN DL simply transfer their few remaining intra Asia flying to HND? I think all thats left is SIN and MNL. With SEA expansion being mostly complete by mid 2020, will we instead see a DL SEA-SIN flight and a SEA-MNL flight? Does the 339 have the legs for a SEA-SIN flight?


No, the 339 doesn’t have the legs for SEA SIN , the 359 however should do it without much fuss,

Also if all flights are transferred from NRT to HND , we might just see the MNL and SIN legs be served via ICN through their New partnership with KE metal

Regards/

Karan
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:20 pm

karan69 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
One of following is bound to happen; with all DL NRT ops set to terminate, CAN DL simply transfer their few remaining intra Asia flying to HND? I think all thats left is SIN and MNL. With SEA expansion being mostly complete by mid 2020, will we instead see a DL SEA-SIN flight and a SEA-MNL flight? Does the 339 have the legs for a SEA-SIN flight?


No, the 339 doesn’t have the legs for SEA SIN , the 359 however should do it without much fuss,

Also if all flights are transferred from NRT to HND , we might just see the MNL and SIN legs be served via ICN through their New partnership with KE metal

Regards/

Karan


I hope they keep DL metal, but we'll see. Timing from ATL-ICN-SIN is pretty bad for the DL A350 ATL-ICN flight, which departs 1am arrives 5am. Over a 12 hour layover to depart on KE to SIN. The KE ~noon ATL to ICN connects much better to SIN, only 2 hr layover. However, KE is flying some low-J 777's and A330's between ICN and SIN it seems; very few J seats, so my options to book for next week (admittedly I was booking late, just a few days ago) were economy for the ICN-SIN leg no matter what. Ended up choosing ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN instead.


On another note, DL's release here https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-f ... -us-cities says "HNL-HND would be operated twice daily using Delta’s Boeing 767-300ER. This fleet type is currently being retrofitted with a new cabin interior and inflight entertainment system." Does not say that 767-300ER is being retrofitted with suites.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:33 pm

Plus the fact that only the B764s will be refurbished by next year, meaning that the N763ERs are probably 18-24 months away from being completed! Interesting that this press release says that the B763ER fleet "is CURRENTLY being retrofitted with a new cabin interior and inflight entertainment system"! Really? Since when?

https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-f ... -us-cities
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:25 am

That press release involving the 763 interior is a mistake.

audidudi wrote:
Plus the fact that only the B764s will be refurbished by next year, meaning that the N763ERs are probably 18-24 months away from being completed! Interesting that this press release says that the B763ER fleet "is CURRENTLY being retrofitted with a new cabin interior and inflight entertainment system"! Really? Since when?

https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-f ... -us-cities
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:36 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/23
763: scheduled upgrade from 321 on 4:38pm ATL-SLC-ATL rotation (N1402A)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:30pm SEA-HNL-SEA rotation (N1607B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 8:10am ATL-JFK flight (N1613B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on JFK-DSS-JFK rotation (N175DN)
763ER-high J: scheduled additional ATL-JFK flight (N177DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from low-J on JFK-MAD-JFK rotation (N177DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on ATL-SCL-ATL rotation (N197DN)
332: unscheduled swap from 333 on LHR-JFK-LHR rotation (N851NW/N861NW)
332: scheduled swap from KLM on ATL-AMS-ATL rotation (N860NW)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 6:45am JFK-SLC-JFK rotation (N829MH)
764: JFK-SLC flight diverted to JFK - tech (N837MH)
77L: NRT-OSN-FAI military charter (N705DN)
7HD: MSP-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N862DA)
7HB: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-CDG-ATL rotation (N706DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on LHR-ATL-LHR rotation (N808NW/N815NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:00 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/22
763ER-high J: Additional (5:30pm) JFK-BCN-JFK rotation effective 2/22 (N175DN)

As per the Barcelona Aviation Forum, this is related to Mobile World Congress 2019.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:34 am

n7371f wrote:
That press release involving the 763 interior is a mistake.

audidudi wrote:
Plus the fact that only the B764s will be refurbished by next year, meaning that the N763ERs are probably 18-24 months away from being completed! Interesting that this press release says that the B763ER fleet "is CURRENTLY being retrofitted with a new cabin interior and inflight entertainment system"! Really? Since when?

https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-f ... -us-cities


Not trying to be caustic, but is it your opinion it is a mistake or is it admitted by Delta to be a mistake?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:33 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/24
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from low-J on JFK-MAD-JFK rotation (N177DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on JFK-BRU-JFK rotation (N190DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled additional MCO-ATL flight (N193DN)
763ER-low J: ATL-PDX flight - maintenance exit [9 days] (N1603)
764: 10:59am ATL-CDG flight migrates from 7HD effective 2/24 (N839MH)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-HND-MSP rotation (N866DA)
77L: FAI-SIN ferry flight - 7CB conversion entry (N705DN)
333: scheduled additional DTW-ATL flight (N805NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:51 am

No worries. There are no plans for interior renovations for the 763ER beyond what was recently done, which was the entire new interior. Now that's if you're not including the reduction in Delta One cabins on nearly 2 dozen 763ER.

ALTF4 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
That press release involving the 763 interior is a mistake.

audidudi wrote:
Plus the fact that only the B764s will be refurbished by next year, meaning that the N763ERs are probably 18-24 months away from being completed! Interesting that this press release says that the B763ER fleet "is CURRENTLY being retrofitted with a new cabin interior and inflight entertainment system"! Really? Since when?

https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-f ... -us-cities


Not trying to be caustic, but is it your opinion it is a mistake or is it admitted by Delta to be a mistake?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:27 am

n7371f wrote:
No worries. There are no plans for interior renovations for the 763ER beyond what was recently done, which was the entire new interior. Now that's if you're not including the reduction in Delta One cabins on nearly 2 dozen 763ER.

ALTF4 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
That press release involving the 763 interior is a mistake.



Not trying to be caustic, but is it your opinion it is a mistake or is it admitted by Delta to be a mistake?


They are in the planning stages of a refresh, I'm not sure if that entails putting the suites in, but a refresh is coming down the line. Should be around 1Q20 for the first ship.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:20 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/25
763ER-high J: scheduled additional JFK-ATL flight (N1613B)
763ER-high J: MSP-BIF-ATL military charter (N179DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled swap from 333 on SEA-NRT-SEA rotation (N156DL)
763ER-low J: ATL-TLS ferry flight - employee A359 delivery flight ceremony (N199DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 7:33pm ATL-DTW-SEA-ATL rotation (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: ATL-AEX military charter (N175DZ)
332: ATL-AEX military charter (N859NW)
332: unscheduled swap from 333 on 8:30pm DTW-AMS-DTW rotation (N861NW)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-CDG-ATL rotation (N866DA)
7HB: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-PVG-ATL rotation (N706DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on 7:21pm ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N821NW)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on 8:40pm ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N827NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:32 pm

ALTF4 wrote:
karan69 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
One of following is bound to happen; with all DL NRT ops set to terminate, CAN DL simply transfer their few remaining intra Asia flying to HND? I think all thats left is SIN and MNL. With SEA expansion being mostly complete by mid 2020, will we instead see a DL SEA-SIN flight and a SEA-MNL flight? Does the 339 have the legs for a SEA-SIN flight?


No, the 339 doesn’t have the legs for SEA SIN , the 359 however should do it without much fuss,

Also if all flights are transferred from NRT to HND , we might just see the MNL and SIN legs be served via ICN through their New partnership with KE metal

Regards/

Karan


I hope they keep DL metal, but we'll see. Timing from ATL-ICN-SIN is pretty bad for the DL A350 ATL-ICN flight, which departs 1am arrives 5am. Over a 12 hour layover to depart on KE to SIN. The KE ~noon ATL to ICN connects much better to SIN, only 2 hr layover. However, KE is flying some low-J 777's and A330's between ICN and SIN it seems; very few J seats, so my options to book for next week (admittedly I was booking late, just a few days ago) were economy for the ICN-SIN leg no matter what. Ended up choosing ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN instead.


s.


I don't think, though I could be wrong, that Delta could simply transfer the NRT-SIN flight over to HND. I also don't think that they can fly their own metal from ICN to SEA. Heck, even if they could, why would they when Korean flies to SIN twice daily. I love SIN and I go there quite regularly, always in business class, and I always avoid Koreans 777's and 333's. Most of the 777's have a very dated business class seat and all of them don't have air vents. I prefer the Delta 767 business class over the Korean flights (with the exception of the 748 and the modded 773's).

I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:46 pm

jumbojet wrote:
I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.


Color me skeptical. There isn't going to be much SEA-SIN O&D, and there are lots of 1-stop routes XXX-ICN-SIN available today from many major cities in the U.S. (and YVR + YYZ). DL doesn't need another A350 - a 77L could do it today.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:50 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.


Color me skeptical. There isn't going to be much SEA-SIN O&D, and there are lots of 1-stop routes XXX-ICN-SIN available today from many major cities in the U.S. (and YVR + YYZ). DL doesn't need another A350 - a 77L could do it today.


SEA FIS is already bursting at the seams. No room for any more international expansion. I still say once the new FIS is up and running and Delta can get some more domestic feed into SEA when they get more gates, SEA-SIN is a real possibility.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:21 pm

jumbojet wrote:
I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.


If they were willing to give up HKG on their own metal, what's to keep them from giving up SIN - a further, smaller market from the U.S.?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:54 pm

FSDan wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.


If they were willing to give up HKG on their own metal, what's to keep them from giving up SIN - a further, smaller market from the U.S.?



B/C SIN works and is always packed to the gills. Business class is always sold out months in advance. I have never had luck trying to burn a GUC on NRT-SIN. SIN is a huge business market, lots of money to be made. DL just needs the right aircraft and the guts to do it.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:07 pm

jumbojet wrote:
FSDan wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.


If they were willing to give up HKG on their own metal, what's to keep them from giving up SIN - a further, smaller market from the U.S.?



B/C SIN works and is always packed to the gills. Business class is always sold out months in advance. I have never had luck trying to burn a GUC on NRT-SIN. SIN is a huge business market, lots of money to be made. DL just needs the right aircraft and the guts to do it.


I'm not sure DL has the right combination of aircraft and gateway. NRT's not going to remain viable as DL becomes able to move more TYO flights over to HND, and DL can't move NRT-SIN to HND-SIN even if they wanted to. SEA is geographically the closest to SIN, but is probably the smallest local market of any DL would look at serving. The 77L and 359 are likely too large for what DL would need. LAX-SIN or JFK-SIN are larger local markets, but are ultra long routes and already have strong nonstop competition from SQ. DL also has a very constrained long haul fleet for the time being.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:40 pm

There are a number of unserved routes out of Seattle where those 787-8s that got canceled would be the obvious equipment. The fact that Delta canceled them anyway, even as it was building up Seattle, may show the limitations of Seattle as an international gateway.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:25 am

Major military movement from England Air Force Base to Wheeler-Sack Army Airfield ongoing...

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/26
763ER-high J: ATL-AEX-GTB-ATL military charter (N1613B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on JFK-DSS-JFK rotation (N177DN)
763ER-low J: AEX-GTB-AEX-GTB-AEX military charter (N175DZ)
763ER-low J: HNL-ONT-HNL military charter (N1604R)
332: DTW-AEX-GTB-AEX military charter (N854NW)
332: DTW-AEX ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N856NW)
332: AEX-GTB-ATL military charter (N859NW)
764: ATL-COS-MSP-HHN-KWI-HHN-ATL military charter (N827MH)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on ATL-CDG-ATL rotation (N866DA)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on DTW-LHR-DTW rotation (N814NW)
359: DTW-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N507DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:51 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Major military movement from England Air Force Base to Wheeler-Sack Army Airfield ongoing...

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/26
763ER-high J: ATL-AEX-GTB-ATL military charter (N1613B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on JFK-DSS-JFK rotation (N177DN)
763ER-low J: AEX-GTB-AEX-GTB-AEX military charter (N175DZ)
763ER-low J: HNL-ONT-HNL military charter (N1604R)
332: DTW-AEX-GTB-AEX military charter (N854NW)
332: DTW-AEX ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N856NW)
332: AEX-GTB-ATL military charter (N859NW)
764: ATL-COS-MSP-HHN-KWI-HHN-ATL military charter (N827MH)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on ATL-CDG-ATL rotation (N866DA)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on DTW-LHR-DTW rotation (N814NW)
359: DTW-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N507DN)


Does anyone know what DL charges for these military charters? Is it done like chartering a business jet where the govt pays per flight hour? Any insight into DL's hourly charter rates would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:27 pm

jumbojet wrote:
ALTF4 wrote:
karan69 wrote:

No, the 339 doesn’t have the legs for SEA SIN , the 359 however should do it without much fuss,

Also if all flights are transferred from NRT to HND , we might just see the MNL and SIN legs be served via ICN through their New partnership with KE metal

Regards/

Karan


I hope they keep DL metal, but we'll see. Timing from ATL-ICN-SIN is pretty bad for the DL A350 ATL-ICN flight, which departs 1am arrives 5am. Over a 12 hour layover to depart on KE to SIN. The KE ~noon ATL to ICN connects much better to SIN, only 2 hr layover. However, KE is flying some low-J 777's and A330's between ICN and SIN it seems; very few J seats, so my options to book for next week (admittedly I was booking late, just a few days ago) were economy for the ICN-SIN leg no matter what. Ended up choosing ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN instead.


s.


I don't think, though I could be wrong, that Delta could simply transfer the NRT-SIN flight over to HND. I also don't think that they can fly their own metal from ICN to SEA. Heck, even if they could, why would they when Korean flies to SIN twice daily. I love SIN and I go there quite regularly, always in business class, and I always avoid Koreans 777's and 333's. Most of the 777's have a very dated business class seat and all of them don't have air vents. I prefer the Delta 767 business class over the Korean flights (with the exception of the 748 and the modded 773's).

I do think, OTOH, that Delta really doesnt want to give up SIN all together on their own metal so I would look to a SEA-SIN flight next year when the new SEA FIS facility opens up. DL does have two more new 350's coming on line next year.


Yeah my original reply wasn't clear: I meant I hope DL keeps their own metal going to SIN somehow, to me it seems most likely from SEA or LAX - but I'm no expert. Just a lowly Diamond hoping for some Delta metal all the way to SIN. :)
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:27 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/27
763ER-low J: JFK-AEX ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N180DN)
763ER-low J: MSP-LHR flight cancelled - tech (N191DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled additional ATL-MCO flight (N199DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled swap from 333 on SEA-NRT-SEA rotation (N169DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:10am ATL-JFK-ATL rotation (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:55am ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N174DZ)
763ER-low J: AEX-GTB-AEX military charter (N175DZ)
332: AEX-GTB-DTW military charter (N854NW)
332: AEX-GTB-DTW military charter (N856NW)
764: ATL-AEX-GTB-AEX military charter (N842MH)
7CD: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 10:33am ATL-MSP flight - conversion exit [6 days] (N865DA)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on MSP-CDG-ATL rotation (N865DA)
7CD: unscheduled swap from 7HD on ATL-CDG-MSP rotation (N866DA)
7HD: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 8:51am MSP-ATL flight (N861DA)
333: JFK-LAX flight diverted to STL - medical? (N828NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:00 pm

There is a separate thread about this but for sake of completeness, i'm adding the press release here.

First A339 routes announced by DL
SEA-PVG: 7/1 76T -> 339 (2 frames)
SEA-ICN: 8/1 76T -> 339 (1 frame)
SEA-NRT: 8/31 359 -> 339 (1 frame)
https://news.delta.com/delta-bring-more ... ing-summer

This frees up 3 76Ts during the summer schedule. Current S19 schedule (August) shows the 763ER fleet usage as follows:
76T: 3/7 (SEA-CDG-SEA-PEK-SEA)
76L: 10/10
76Z: 36/39
Will be interesting to see if any any adjustments are made to the schedule. The 339s are not yet loaded on delta.com, updates occur on Saturdays so watch for it this weekend.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:27 am

My guess would be the freed-up 767 are used as spares as the 339 onboards and also used for unscheduled upgauging during the remainder of the peak summer schedule, particularly to cover and/or upgauge 753s and in case of IRROPs.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:50 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
My guess would be the freed-up 767 are used as spares as the 339 onboards and also used for unscheduled upgauging during the remainder of the peak summer schedule, particularly to cover and/or upgauge 753s and in case of IRROPs.


Indeed. The 76L fleet is old and maintenance-intensive, and yet it's 100% utilized. A few 76Ts floating around the system will make that a far less dicey state of affairs.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:10 am

So, if Delta is granted all the Haneda flights they are trying to launch in Summer 2020, will the flights between their US hubs and Narita be terminated?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:07 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 2/28
763ER-high J: ATL-MSP ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N1613B)
763ER-high J: MSP-LHR-MSP rescue flights following previous day's cancellation (N1613B)
763ER-high J: ATL-SCL flight - maintenance exit [10 days] (N178DN)
763ER-high J: ATL-BRU migrates from 764 effective 2/28 (N183DN)
763ER-low J: MSP-LHR flight cancelled - tech (N154DL)
763ER-low J: AEX-GTB-JFK military charter (N180DN)
763ER-low J: JFK-AEX-GTB-JFK military charter (N181DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 10am ATL-FLL-ATL rotation (N186DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled swap from 764 on 1:41pm ATL-JFK flight (N194DN)
763ER-low J: AEX-GTB-JFK military charter (N175DZ)
332: unscheduled swap from 333 on LHR-JFK-LHR rotation (N851NW/N853NW)
764: AEX-GTB-JFK military charter (N842MH)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on LHR-DTW-LHR rotation (N815NW)
359: scheduled additional ATL-SEA flight (N502DN)
359: PVG-DTW flight cancelled - tech (N506DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:39 am

Delta has a loaded a number of one-way domestic widebody upgrades during the beginning of the S20 schedule for those Avgeeks looking for such flights:

ATL-CVG: 3/31 (76W)
ATL-DTW: 3/29 (76W), 3/30 (76W)
ATL-LAX: 3/30 (76W), 3/31 (7CB), 3/31 (359), 4/1 (333), 4/2 (7CB)
ATL-MSP: 3/31 (7HD), 4/1 (7CD)
ATL-SEA: 3/30 (76W), 3/31 (76W)
CVG-ATL: 3/31 (76W)
DTW-ATL: 3/30 (359)
JFK-ATL: 3/30 (76W), 3/30 (333)
LAX-ATL: 3/29 (359), 3/31 (76W)
MSP-ATL: 3/31 (7CD)
MSP-MCO: 3/30 (333)
SEA-ATL: 3/29 (76W), 3/30 (76W)
SFO-ATL: 3/31 (76W)
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