NateGreat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:27 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
Disappointing that they went with a warmed-over version of the exact same seat (and fewer of them). It upgrades the major privacy, storage, and IFE issues, but that won't do anything to the space, comfort, and still limited privacy and storage issues. It keeps their 767s firmly in the bottom tier of lie-flat J products, IMO. No wonder DL was being very coy about the details surrounding the 767 refits.

Interesting now to Google the web and see nothing but talk about suites coming the 767-400. All wrong.

Here are just a few links that SPECIFICALLY state that the new 767-400 cabin WILL have the Delta One Suites WITH CLOSING DOORS.

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

https://simpleflying.com/delta-767-business-class/

https://www.godsavethepoints.com/2018/1 ... doors-767/
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:42 pm

NateGreat wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
Disappointing that they went with a warmed-over version of the exact same seat (and fewer of them). It upgrades the major privacy, storage, and IFE issues, but that won't do anything to the space, comfort, and still limited privacy and storage issues. It keeps their 767s firmly in the bottom tier of lie-flat J products, IMO. No wonder DL was being very coy about the details surrounding the 767 refits.

Interesting now to Google the web and see nothing but talk about suites coming the 767-400. All wrong.

Here are just a few links that SPECIFICALLY state that the new 767-400 cabin WILL have the Delta One Suites WITH CLOSING DOORS.

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

https://simpleflying.com/delta-767-business-class/

https://www.godsavethepoints.com/2018/1 ... doors-767/


Ignoring MSPNWA's nonsense, none of those links actually reference comments by DL that doors would be on the DL One Suites on a 764. Instead, the articles inferred from prior DL One Suites that there would be doors (basically, they heard "DL One Suites" and said there will be doors, but DL never said that). Furthermore, if you look at the video - which is by DL - its pretty clear there are no doors.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:24 am

you can’t find one press release from
Delta talking about the 764 having doors. The 339 does. The seat has the new seat cushions. It’s based on the Thompson vantage but highly customized obviously. It’s not like they just redid the finishing. It’s a new seat, new cushion, new foot well, new privacy and huge tv.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:49 am

jbs2886 wrote:
Ignoring MSPNWA's nonsense, none of those links actually reference comments by DL that doors would be on the DL One Suites on a 764. Instead, the articles inferred from prior DL One Suites that there would be doors (basically, they heard "DL One Suites" and said there will be doors, but DL never said that). Furthermore, if you look at the video - which is by DL - its pretty clear there are no doors.


Can't handle reality I guess...

Although I also don't remember DL specifically saying doors would be on the 767s, at best Ed was highly misleading with his comments. Doesn't surprise me.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:22 am

MSPNWA wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Ignoring MSPNWA's nonsense, none of those links actually reference comments by DL that doors would be on the DL One Suites on a 764. Instead, the articles inferred from prior DL One Suites that there would be doors (basically, they heard "DL One Suites" and said there will be doors, but DL never said that). Furthermore, if you look at the video - which is by DL - its pretty clear there are no doors.


Can't handle reality I guess...

Although I also don't remember DL specifically saying doors would be on the 767s, at best Ed was highly misleading with his comments. Doesn't surprise me.


I don’t post much but when I do, I find you ALWAYS being negative about Delta. Ed never said or alluded to the 767s getting the same product.

It’s as close as it can be and still have decent seat width. It actually more closely reminds me of JetBlue’s mint. Even the 339 has smaller door structure but with new trims and finishes. Trust me once you get on that bird you will not be asking about the doors. It’s much improved over the current one and just as competitive as Polaris - and much better than AA refurbished 767.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:25 am

I do see how you could be confused.

“What we’re doing is we’re re-outfitting the entire 76-400 to be consistent with the product you see on the Airbus A350 with the new Delta One suites” -ED

If it was the same seat he would have said we are putting the same seat. It’s consistent means it’ll have the same design language. Meaning it will be undeniably a Delta One cabin. Almost identical to the 339 but without the door.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:39 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/4
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on ATL-FRA-DTW rotation (N1609)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 5:07pm ATL-FLL-ATL rotation (N155DL)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from 764 on 9:40am JFK-SFO-JFK rotation (N189DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 5:45pm ATL-LAX-ATL rotation (N196DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 75W on 11:40am JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N199DN)
763ER-low J: seasonal SLC-LHR flight effective 4/4 (N173DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 6:55am ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N16065)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 8:27am ATL-LAS-ATL rotation (N833MH)
77L: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 7:20am LAX-ATL flight (N709DN)
333: CDG-JFK flight diverted to BGR - medical? (N830NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:17 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
I do see how you could be confused.

“What we’re doing is we’re re-outfitting the entire 76-400 to be consistent with the product you see on the Airbus A350 with the new Delta One suites” -ED

If it was the same seat he would have said we are putting the same seat. It’s consistent means it’ll have the same design language. Meaning it will be undeniably a Delta One cabin. Almost identical to the 339 but without the door.


You're working way too hard to rationalize this. What elements are needed 'to be consistent with' the A350 product? 'View from the Wing' cited the Bastian remarks 'to be consistent with' and said that 764s were getting suites with doors. That's a reasonable interpretation. Headline: 'Delta is Putting Suites With Doors into Boeing 767-400s'

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

I'll call this a disappointment. I don't think it rises to critical failing.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:51 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
I do see how you could be confused.

“What we’re doing is we’re re-outfitting the entire 76-400 to be consistent with the product you see on the Airbus A350 with the new Delta One suites” -ED

If it was the same seat he would have said we are putting the same seat. It’s consistent means it’ll have the same design language. Meaning it will be undeniably a Delta One cabin. Almost identical to the 339 but without the door.


You're working way too hard to rationalize this. What elements are needed 'to be consistent with' the A350 product? 'View from the Wing' cited the Bastian remarks 'to be consistent with' and said that 764s were getting suites with doors. That's a reasonable interpretation. Headline: 'Delta is Putting Suites With Doors into Boeing 767-400s'



https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

I'll call this a disappointment. I don't think it rises to critical failing.


Ed never said it had doors. Hell I can’t see where he even called the 76D seat a suite.That was a assumption. It’s bassicaly the same seat without a door. To be concistent the door would have to be there?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:02 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
I do see how you could be confused.

“What we’re doing is we’re re-outfitting the entire 76-400 to be consistent with the product you see on the Airbus A350 with the new Delta One suites” -ED

If it was the same seat he would have said we are putting the same seat. It’s consistent means it’ll have the same design language. Meaning it will be undeniably a Delta One cabin. Almost identical to the 339 but without the door.


You're working way too hard to rationalize this. What elements are needed 'to be consistent with' the A350 product? 'View from the Wing' cited the Bastian remarks 'to be consistent with' and said that 764s were getting suites with doors. That's a reasonable interpretation. Headline: 'Delta is Putting Suites With Doors into Boeing 767-400s'



https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

I'll call this a disappointment. I don't think it rises to critical failing.


Ed never said it had doors. Hell I can’t see where he even called the 76D seat a suite. That was a assumption. It’s bassicaly the same seat without a door (just not the XL version)- more of a hybrid.

To be consistent the door would have to be there?
I believe Delta has a consistent in boardinproduct in first class domestic flying and they offer 3 to 4 different seat types. Same for the experience in the back consistent does not mean the same. That’s sensationalized journalism at best. If it was the same he would have said the 767s will be getting the same suites as the 350. There is nothing to rationalize.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:03 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

You're working way too hard to rationalize this. What elements are needed 'to be consistent with' the A350 product? 'View from the Wing' cited the Bastian remarks 'to be consistent with' and said that 764s were getting suites with doors. That's a reasonable interpretation. Headline: 'Delta is Putting Suites With Doors into Boeing 767-400s'



https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

I'll call this a disappointment. I don't think it rises to critical failing.
.

Mods please delete
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:06 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
I do see how you could be confused.

“What we’re doing is we’re re-outfitting the entire 76-400 to be consistent with the product you see on the Airbus A350 with the new Delta One suites” -ED

If it was the same seat he would have said we are putting the same seat. It’s consistent means it’ll have the same design language. Meaning it will be undeniably a Delta One cabin. Almost identical to the 339 but without the door.


You're working way too hard to rationalize this. What elements are needed 'to be consistent with' the A350 product? 'View from the Wing' cited the Bastian remarks 'to be consistent with' and said that 764s were getting suites with doors. That's a reasonable interpretation. Headline: 'Delta is Putting Suites With Doors into Boeing 767-400s'



https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/

I'll call this a disappointment. I don't think it rises to critical failing.


Ed never said it had doors. Hell I can’t see where he even called the 76D seat a suite.That was a assumption. It’s bassicaly the same seat without a door. To be concistent the door would have to be there?

Then I guess you didn't read this thoroughly...read the quotes in the "Ask Ed Anything" piece just below the pic of the AA B787-8.

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -767-400s/
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:24 pm

I stand corrected I see he mis-spoke on a internal conversational piece. And the lovely employees of DL went and sold it to a journalist. Who lazily repeated what the ceo said instead of digging deeper and fact checking.

I read another article on that site that said it’s the same seat basically and will be tight. Clearly no one has experienced the seat you can tell from the pictures of the footwell that it is more space.

This is not the same seat dna that was there before. It has been completely re/designed. The seat structure isn’t event the same. If they didn’t think the product is competitive they have plenty of 333/339s they can easily substitute in the coming years.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:43 pm

Please keep the drama out of this thread. It is one of the few solid threads left on a.net, and let's not change that.

The issue is that the 767 fuselage is just not easy to work with given the current state of premium products. 1-2-1 does not allow the level of personal space and storage that people expect in a suite-based business class market. Yet going to true 1-1-1 (not angled 1-1-1) would be so much space that the product would be more like international first class. Right now, the market just isn't going to support the U.S. $10-$15K fares that would make that space pay for itself on a regular basis. Delta clearly went the conservative route with a refreshed version of the current product and dropping the Delta One Suites moniker.

The much bigger issue will be how the configure the A330 going forward - since that is where the widebody growth is happening with 35 new frames coming online. They will need to find a way to fit in a suite with a door to keep D1 a differentiated product. That will still be a challenge in a fuselage considerably narrower than either the A350 or 777.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:49 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
I stand corrected I see he mis-spoke on a internal conversational piece. And the lovely employees of DL went and sold it to a journalist. Who lazily repeated what the ceo said instead of digging deeper and fact checking.

I read another article on that site that said it’s the same seat basically and will be tight. Clearly no one has experienced the seat you can tell from the pictures of the footwell that it is more space.

This is not the same seat dna that was there before. It has been completely re/designed. The seat structure isn’t event the same. If they didn’t think the product is competitive they have plenty of 333/339s they can easily substitute in the coming years.


I can tell you I believe I will enjoy the 767-400 D1 seat a lot more than the old 767 Seat. I even think it will be better than the current A330 seat. While the seat is comfortable my issue is that unless it is in the upright position it is touch to get in and out of. I also prefer facing forwards rather than angled towards the window.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:56 am

TW870 wrote:
Please keep the drama out of this thread. It is one of the few solid threads left on a.net, and let's not change that.

The issue is that the 767 fuselage is just not easy to work with given the current state of premium products. 1-2-1 does not allow the level of personal space and storage that people expect in a suite-based business class market. Yet going to true 1-1-1 (not angled 1-1-1) would be so much space that the product would be more like international first class. Right now, the market just isn't going to support the U.S. $10-$15K fares that would make that space pay for itself on a regular basis. Delta clearly went the conservative route with a refreshed version of the current product and dropping the Delta One Suites moniker.

The much bigger issue will be how the configure the A330 going forward - since that is where the widebody growth is happening with 35 new frames coming online. They will need to find a way to fit in a suite with a door to keep D1 a differentiated product. That will still be a challenge in a fuselage considerably narrower than either the A350 or 777.


The 339s will be enclosed. And any 330 that gets a new seat will have the D1 suite
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:33 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/5
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on DTW-CDG flight (N1609)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from 752 on 2:03pm ATL-FLL-ATL rotation (N394DL)
332: unscheduled upgrade from 320 on 8:20pm DTW-MSP flight (N858NW)
764: JFK-SFO flight diverted to STL - medical? (N831MH)
333: PDX-AMS flight cancelled - tech (N802NW)
333: JFK-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N814NW)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/6
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-CVG-CDG rotation (N1608)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on JFK-VCE-JFK rotation (N190DN)
763ER-low J: ATL-ILN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N199DN)
332: unscheduled upgrade from 320 on 8:20pm DTW-MSP flight (N858NW)
332: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 8:45am MSP-DTW flight (N860NW)
333: PDX-AMS rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N802NW)
333: ATL-NIP-ANC-DNA-ANC-NUW-ATL military charter (N805NW)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/7
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-DTW-CDG rotation (N1610D)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 7:10am JFK-SEA-JFK rotation (N176DN)
763ER-low J: ILN-ATL ferry flight - maintenance exit [21 days] (N1200K)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 11:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N16065)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 7:15pm ATL-SEA-ATL rotation (N16065)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 752 on 3:41pm DTW-MCO-DTW rotation (N854NW)
332: MSP-DTW ferry flight - maintenance swap (N858NW)
332: DTW-MSP ferry flight - maintenance swap (N861NW)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 8:27am ATL-LAS-ATL rotation (N835MH)
339: LN 1931 to become N403DX, DL#3, exited FAL in TLS
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:08 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/8
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-CVG-CDG rotation (N1610D)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 7:00pm JFK-SFO-JFK rotation (N187DN)
332: unscheduled swap from 333 on 10:50pm DTW-AMS-DTW rotation (N857NW)
77L: unscheduled swap from 7CD on 3:32pm ATL-CDG-ATL rotation (N709DN)
333: AMS-ATL rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N810NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:19 am

TW870 wrote:
Please keep the drama out of this thread. It is one of the few solid threads left on a.net, and let's not change that.


OMG, Agreed!!!! All this back and forth and insults over the freaking premium seats. Take it to another room (or outside) already. Too noisy in here while father is trying to read. That's not what this thread traditionally has been about, and I hope we keep it that way.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:17 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/5
764: JFK-SFO flight diverted to STL - medical? (N831MH)


I was onboard this flight; can confirm it was a medical diversion. It was done very efficiently - we were on the ground for less than an hour.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:36 pm

wjcandee wrote:
TW870 wrote:
Please keep the drama out of this thread. It is one of the few solid threads left on a.net, and let's not change that.


OMG, Agreed!!!! All this back and forth and insults over the freaking premium seats. Take it to another room (or outside) already. Too noisy in here while father is trying to read. That's not what this thread traditionally has been about, and I hope we keep it that way.

Exactly! I want news and information. Not drama.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:28 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/9
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-DTW-CDG rotation (N1610D)
763ER-low J: JFK-BOS ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N155DL)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 8:15am ATL-PHX-ATL rotation (N394DL)
763ER-low J: ATL-RIV-ANC-OKO-QPG military charter (N186DN)
332: unscheduled swap from 320 on 3:45pm DTW-MSP flight (N851NW)
332: unscheduled swap from 320 on 5:55pm MSP-DTW flight (N861NW)
764: unscheduled swap from 752 on 8:55am MSP-ATL flight (N833MH)
764: unscheduled swap from 752 on 1:45pm ATL-MSP flight (N836MH)
764: ATL-CVG-ATL test flight? (N839MH)
77L: PVG-ATL flight diverted to SEA - medical? (N703DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:24 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
Disappointing that they went with a warmed-over version of the exact same seat (and fewer of them). It upgrades the major privacy, storage, and IFE issues, but that won't do anything to the space, comfort, and still limited privacy and storage issues. It keeps their 767s firmly in the bottom tier of lie-flat J products, IMO. No wonder DL was being very coy about the details surrounding the 767 refits.

Interesting now to Google the web and see nothing but talk about suites coming the 767-400. All wrong.


I mentioned a couple of times on here that the 767s would not have doors due because they cannot be certified on the type due to ingress/egress issues.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:27 pm

I'm surprised that UA were able to get the maker of the Polaris seats to make it exclusive to them, and thus make them unavailable to any other American carriers! It would've been the best option for DL IMHO.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:00 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/10
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-CVG-CDG rotation (N1608)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 10:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N174DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 3:34pm LAX-OGG-LAX rotation (N175DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 75W on 4:59pm JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N182DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:17am ATL-SLC-ATL rotation (N394DL)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 3:26pm ATL-BOS-ATL rotation (N192DN)
763ER-low J: BOS-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N193DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high J on DTW-FCO-DTW rotation (N1602)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 8:27am ATL-LAS-ATL rotation (N835MH)
764: ILN-ATL ferry flight - maintenance exit [20 days] (N843MH)
764: ATL-ILN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N844MH)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/11
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-DTW-CDG rotation (N1607B)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 3:10pm LAX-HNL-LAX rotation (N178DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 75W on 11:40am JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N182DN)
763ER-low J: ATL-GUS ferry flight - paint entry (N188DN)
763ER-low J: GUS-ATL ferry flight - paint exit [9 days] (N1603)
333: DTW-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N801NW)
333: ATL-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N802NW)
333: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N806NW)
333: seasonal JFK-ATH flight effective 4/11 (N826NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:07 am

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763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-CVG-CDG rotation (N1607B)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 5:15pm JFK-SFO-JFO rotation (N152DL)
764: HNL-MSP flight cancelled - tech (N842MH)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:16 am

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763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-DTW-FRA rotation (N1612T)
763ER-high J: ATL-FRA flight - maintenance exit [9 days] (N174DN)
764: JFK-GRQ-DLH-JFK military charter (N830MH)
764: ATL-MSP ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N835MH)
764: ATL-HNL flight diverted to ATL - tech (N838MH)
764: HNL-MSP rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N842MH)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:48 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

764: JFK-GRQ-DLH-JFK military charter (N830MH)



First time visit to GRQ for both B764 and DL.
GRQ - DLH = Groningen -> Duluth = Groningen Airport is in the Northern Netherlands.
US Troops picked again after participation in NATO Frisian Flag at Leeuwarden Airbase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16dQkTtzP5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtOCSOX04Pw


Saturday April, 13th 2019
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:28 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/14
763: SLC-ATL flight diverted to BHM - weather (N1402A)
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on FRA-JFK-FRA rotation (N1612T)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from 752 on ATL-SLC-HNL-SLC rotation (N177DZ)
764: MSP-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N843MH)
77L: unscheduled swap from 7CD on 10:49pm ATL-CDG-ATL rotation (N709DN)
333: FCO-ATL flight diverted to BOS - crew timeout? (N805NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm

This weekend, DL did some widebody swaps effective 10/27/19....
ATL-NRT migrates from refurbed 77L to 359
MSP-ICN migrates from refurbed 77L to 359
LAX-HND migrates from 359 to refurbed 77L

So the first two routes lose C+ seating for the time being and LAX-HND gains C+
ATL-PVG and ATL-JNB are still showing the legacy 77L seat charts through the end of 2019, although one might think at least one of those routes might get upgraded to a refurbed 77L prior to year's end.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:43 pm

In addition, LAX-PVG migrates from 359 to refurbed 77L
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:28 pm

I see the swaps as DL being more cost conscious as more 77L's get refurbed. They are putting the A350 on their longest routes with the 777 on shorter ones (except for JNB/SYD where it requires the 77L).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:48 pm

Also can the 77E fly ATL-PVG with sufficient payload!? Its shorter than EWR-HKG which UA/CO flew with the 77E /w GE90. Does DL's 77E with RR Trent 895 have similar payload capabilities!? Its polar so it doesn't have as much winds.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm

x1234 wrote:
Also can the 77E fly ATL-PVG with sufficient payload!? Its shorter than EWR-HKG which UA/CO flew with the 77E /w GE90. Does DL's 77E with RR Trent 895 have similar payload capabilities!? Its polar so it doesn't have as much winds.


CO/UA took a significant payload hit on EWR-HKG before they swapped to the 77W. Their 656k 772ER can carry a full load of passengers most days, but little if any cargo. Delta's ER has more or less the same capability. But their LR can fly this sort of route with a heavy cargo payload, which is potentially lucrative out of PVG.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:39 pm

x1234 wrote:
I see the swaps as DL being more cost conscious as more 77L's get refurbed. They are putting the A350 on their longest routes with the 777 on shorter ones (except for JNB/SYD where it requires the 77L).


The ATL-AMS flight is still showing as a ER with a a 37 seat DO cabin. With all the ER already converted must be one of the 6 remaining LR serving the route. I'm on it in 15 days and was hopeful but it looks fairly solid that this and my JNB-ATL will be norefurb, barring unscheduled changes. I'm not sure what the rhyme or reason is as I see the recent activity posts a couple times a week showing 77L swapping to a 7CD or vice versa.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:24 am

x1234 wrote:
I see the swaps as DL being more cost conscious as more 77L's get refurbed. They are putting the A350 on their longest routes with the 777 on shorter ones (except for JNB/SYD where it requires the 77L).


I think these changes save the most cost by returning LAX to a mostly 777 long haul operation, which makes sense as it still has a 777 pilot base. Rather than deadheading A350 pilots to LAX, or doing long W-pattern trips, now there will be more efficient 3- and 4-day trips for pilots, as well as wider variety of ways to rotate the 777 throughout the system without relying on domestic tag-ons or repositioning flights.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:00 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/15
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from high-J on FRA-ATL flight (N1612T)
763ER-high J: JFK-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N178DN)
763ER-high J: seasonal 3:45pm DTW-DGW flight effective 4/15 (N178DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 11:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N183DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 5:05pm ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N156DL)
763ER-low J: HNL-BIF-HNL military charter (N190DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 9:16pm JFK-SFO-JFK rotation (N194DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 4:05pm DTW-SFO-DTW rotation (N198DN)
763ER-low J: CAN-NRT ferry flight - maintenance exit [16 days] (1201P)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 2:00pm ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N175DZ)
763ER-low J: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N16065)
332: unscheduled upgrade from 319 on 10:00am MSP-JFK flight (N851NW)
332: unscheduled upgrade from 319 on 4:05pm JFK-MSP flight (N852NW)
332: unscheduled swap from 333 on 10:50pm DTW-AMS-DTW rotation (N857NW)
333: TLV-JFK flight diverted to BWI - weather (N825MW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:35 am

FlyBitcoin wrote:
This weekend, DL did some widebody swaps effective 10/27/19....

This is just the tip of the iceberg. DL is starting to firm its W19-20 schedule based on forecast demand, actual sales and the fact that a lot of 764s and 77Ls will be going through maintenance/conversions during the period. Expect many further changes (some of the fleet numbers currently don't add up).

Greater W19-20 changes in the GDS last weekend:
ATL-HNL 764->333
ATL-LAX(8am) 321->76Z
ATL-LAX(6pm) 753->7CD/7CB
ATL-LIM 764->76Z
ATL-NRT 7CD/7CB->359
ATL-SLC(4pm) 321->76Z
BOS-LHR 76Z->332
JFK-AMS(4pm) 764->76Z
JFK-LAX(12pm) 76Z->76L
JFK-LAX(3pm) 76T->76Z
JFK-LAX(6pm) 76Z->76L
LAX-AMS 333->CXL
LAX-HND 359->7CD/7CB
LAX-PVG 359->7CD/7CB
MSP-ICN 7CD/7CB->359
SLC-HNL 752->333
SLC-OGG NOT IN SCD->76Z

Please note that the GDS does not yet have separate identities for 7CB/7CD and 76D/764 so not yet possible to determine which routes goes on which plane (outside of common sense that is).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:04 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
FlyBitcoin wrote:
This weekend, DL did some widebody swaps effective 10/27/19....

This is just the tip of the iceberg. DL is starting to firm its W19-20 schedule based on forecast demand, actual sales and the fact that a lot of 764s and 77Ls will be going through maintenance/conversions during the period. Expect many further changes (some of the fleet numbers currently don't add up).

Greater W19-20 changes in the GDS last weekend:
ATL-HNL 764->333
ATL-LAX(8am) 321->76Z
ATL-LAX(6pm) 753->7CD/7CB
ATL-LIM 764->76Z
ATL-NRT 7CD/7CB->359
ATL-SLC(4pm) 321->76Z
BOS-LHR 76Z->332
JFK-AMS(4pm) 764->76Z
JFK-LAX(12pm) 76Z->76L
JFK-LAX(3pm) 76T->76Z
JFK-LAX(6pm) 76Z->76L
LAX-AMS 333->CXL
LAX-HND 359->7CD/7CB
LAX-PVG 359->7CD/7CB
MSP-ICN 7CD/7CB->359
SLC-HNL 752->333
SLC-OGG NOT IN SCD->76Z

Please note that the GDS does not yet have separate identities for 7CB/7CD and 76D/764 so not yet possible to determine which routes goes on which plane (outside of common sense that is).


What is the plan for JFK-SFO/LAX as there are currently a fair number of 764s plying those routes. I suspect DL won't put the refurb aircraft on the routes (it simply makes sense to put them on higher yielding international flights, *except* when able to do the transcon as utilization flying). Will these move to 763s?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:57 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
What is the plan for JFK-SFO/LAX as there are currently a fair number of 764s plying those routes. I suspect DL won't put the refurb aircraft on the routes (it simply makes sense to put them on higher yielding international flights, *except* when able to do the transcon as utilization flying). Will these move to 763s?

JFK-SFO is exclusively 75W in W19-20 while JFK-LAX is using 763ERs, both high/low J (no 764s scheduled). Things will change but that is where they stand.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:18 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
What is the plan for JFK-SFO/LAX as there are currently a fair number of 764s plying those routes. I suspect DL won't put the refurb aircraft on the routes (it simply makes sense to put them on higher yielding international flights, *except* when able to do the transcon as utilization flying). Will these move to 763s?

JFK-SFO is exclusively 75W in W19-20 while JFK-LAX is using 763ERs, both high/low J (no 764s scheduled). Things will change but that is where they stand.


Well, looks like they are already off the routes anyways.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:25 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/16
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 1:55pm ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N1612T)
763ER-low J: ATL-SLC ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N156DL)
763ER-low J: NRT-IWK-OSN-NRT military charter (N189DN)
763ER-low J: NRT-CAN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N192DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on JFK-EDI-JFK rotation (N195DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N197DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 3:59pm ATL-SAN-ATL rotation (N197DN)
763ER-low J: NRT-CRK-IWK-CRK-IWK-NRT military charter (N174DZ)
763ER-low J: SLC-ATL ferry flight - maintenance swap (N178DZ)
332: DTW-BOS ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N857NW)
764: 9:40am JFK-SFO-JFK rotation migrates to 75W effective 4/16 (N825MH)
339: N402DX engines attached now on flightline for pre-flight testing, to become DL#2
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on 5:50pm ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N818NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:02 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/16
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 1:55pm ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N1612T)
763ER-low J: ATL-SLC ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N156DL)
763ER-low J: NRT-IWK-OSN-NRT military charter (N189DN)
763ER-low J: NRT-CAN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N192DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on JFK-EDI-JFK rotation (N195DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:55am ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N197DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 3:59pm ATL-SAN-ATL rotation (N197DN)
763ER-low J: NRT-CRK-IWK-CRK-IWK-NRT military charter (N174DZ)
763ER-low J: SLC-ATL ferry flight - maintenance swap (N178DZ)
332: DTW-BOS ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N857NW)
764: 9:40am JFK-SFO-JFK rotation migrates to 75W effective 4/16 (N825MH)
339: N402DX engines attached now on flightline for pre-flight testing, to become DL#2
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on 5:50pm ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N818NW)

Any word on A339s #1 and #3?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:29 pm

NateGreat wrote:
Any word on A339s #1 and #3?

You can track the aircraft here...it's usually up-to-date:

https://aibfamily.flights/production-list/A330
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:04 am

After 3 1/2 months at CAN and this being the prototype B764 for the new D1 cabin and complete new 4-class installation, N828MH had a test flight yesterday, so it should be heading back to the US soon:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n828mh
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:40 am

audidudi wrote:
After 3 1/2 months at CAN and this being the prototype B764 for the new D1 cabin and complete new 4-class installation, N828MH had a test flight yesterday, so it should be heading back to the US soon:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n828mh

If you clicked on the link you posted, you'd notice it has only been moved within CAN, no test flight. Mods were completed more than a month ago. It remains at CAN due to issues with the wireless IFE system. It is not expected back to the U.S. until 5/25.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:23 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
audidudi wrote:
After 3 1/2 months at CAN and this being the prototype B764 for the new D1 cabin and complete new 4-class installation, N828MH had a test flight yesterday, so it should be heading back to the US soon:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n828mh

If you clicked on the link you posted, you'd notice it has only been moved within CAN, no test flight. Mods were completed more than a month ago. It remains at CAN due to issues with the wireless IFE system. It is not expected back to the U.S. until 5/25.

I obviously did click on the link I posted as how else would I have got the info re-its flight? I was referring to the 17 mins flight time on 17th April, which shows an ATD of 2.35pm and landing at 2.53pm, for a total flight time of 17 mins. Perhaps you missed that...but naturally you're right, and FR24 is wrong as usual.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:56 am

audidudi wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
audidudi wrote:
After 3 1/2 months at CAN and this being the prototype B764 for the new D1 cabin and complete new 4-class installation, N828MH had a test flight yesterday, so it should be heading back to the US soon:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n828mh

If you clicked on the link you posted, you'd notice it has only been moved within CAN, no test flight. Mods were completed more than a month ago. It remains at CAN due to issues with the wireless IFE system. It is not expected back to the U.S. until 5/25.

I obviously did click on the link I posted as how else would I have got the info re-its flight? I was referring to the 17 mins flight time on 17th April, which shows an ATD of 2.35pm and landing at 2.53pm, for a total flight time of 17 mins. Perhaps you missed that...but naturally you're right, and FR24 is wrong as usual.

You mean 17 minutes of being towed around CAN? Hit playback and see where it flew to and what altitude it reached! The ground speed is incredible for a 17 minute flight...
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:53 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/17
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 10:07am DTW-TPA-DTW rotation (N176DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 3:56m JFK-SFO-JFK rotation (N195DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on DTW-FCO-DTW rotation (N198DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 75W on 4:59pm JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N1603)
764: DUB-JFK flight diverted to BOS - weather (N834MH)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/18
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 10:20am SLC-ATL rotation (N180DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:17am ATL-SLC rotation (N196DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 75W on 11:40am JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N169DZ)
763ER-low J: ATL-SEA ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N172DZ)
763ER-low J: seasonal 8:56pm SEA-AMS route effective 4/18 (N172DZ)
332: BOS-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N854NW)
332: ATL-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N859NW)
764: ATL-STR route migrates from 763ER-low J effective 4/18 (N835MH)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on 5:50pm ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N818NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:58 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 4/19
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled upgrade from 753 on 1:40pm SEA-ATL-SEA rotation (N1610D)
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 8:10am ATL-SEA rotation (N1612T)
763ER-low J: ATL-SLC ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N180DN)
763ER-low J: AMS-SLC flight cancelled - tech (N193DN)
332: DTW-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N855NW)
764: unscheduled swap from 333 on 1:50pm JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N825MH)
333: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N813NW)
333: AMS-JFK flight cancelled - late inbound aircraft (N824NW)
359: ATL-ICN flight diverted to MSP - tech (N501DN)

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