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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:40 pm

cessna2 wrote:
Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early.


Wow!! If it does fly, some very unsuspecting folks are going to get a very nice upgrade.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:10 am

Is there a particular reason for the high-J vs low-J 767-300ER? Because once the 767-300ERs are all retired, Delta won’t have anything like a high-J or low-J A330/A33N/B764. I mean, both the A330-300 and A330-200 have 34 J seats. The A330-900neo has 29 seats, with no plans for a configuration with more than or less than 29 seats among the 35 on order. All should be configured the exact same way. The refurbished 767-400 is the same way. All 767-400s will have 34 J seats once the refurbishments are complete, no more, no less. I mean, we could in the future see an A330-300/200 Delta One Suites retrofit that could configure the -300s as a high-J, and the -200s as a low-J.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:34 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 7/9
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from low-J on CDG-RDU-CDG rotation (N1612T)
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from 764 on 8:30am JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N172DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 1:59pm JFK-ATL-JFK rotation (N178DN)
763ER-low J: JFK-BRU flight diverted to YYT - medical? (N188DN)
763ER-low J: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N1603)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 5:00pm JFK-SFO-JFK rotation (N1603)
332: 10:47pm DTW-AMS flight cancelled - tech (N856NW)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on 10:40am ATL-PDX-ATL rotation (N839MH)
764: scheduled additional DTW-ATL-DTW rotation on Tuesdays effective 7/9 (N842MH)
764: 5:45pm ATL-SEA-ATL rotation on Tuesdays migrates from 739 effective 7/9 (N842MH)
339: ATL-ATL training flight (N402DX)
77L: unscheduled swap from 7CB on ATL-NRT-ATL rotation (N710DN)
333: DTW-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N804NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:49 am

NateGreat wrote:
Is there a particular reason for the high-J vs low-J 767-300ER? Because once the 767-300ERs are all retired, Delta won’t have anything like a high-J or low-J A330/A33N/B764. I mean, both the A330-300 and A330-200 have 34 J seats. The A330-900neo has 29 seats, with no plans for a configuration with more than or less than 29 seats among the 35 on order. All should be configured the exact same way.


The strike against 'all configured the same way' is that willingness to pay will vary by route. Giving up some commonality is a way to extract that premium demand. Don't just check J seats - check PS, too. (whether you ought to check Comfort+ count depends on whether you think most passengers paid to get there or if it's elite upgrade class.)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:54 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 7/9
764: scheduled additional DTW-ATL-DTW rotation on Tuesdays effective 7/9 (N842MH)
764: 5:45pm ATL-SEA-ATL rotation on Tuesdays migrates from 739 effective 7/9 (N842MH)

According to FR24, N842MH flew DTW>ATL one-way yesterday, but not the return, as it then flew the ATL>SEA>ATL rotation, as you correctly wrote. So will the first leg of this additional DTW>ATL>DTW rotation on Tuesdays always be flown by a B764, but not the return leg, or was this just an exception yesterday?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:56 pm

cessna2 wrote:
Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early.


I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:55 pm

TW870 wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early.


I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything?



Some pics of the cabin here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deltanews ... 557869132/

Press release
https://news.delta.com/delta-launches-a ... eattle-and
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:22 pm

Once the 767-300ERs are all gone (which will be a few years down the line for the later ones), Delta is going to have to equip another aircraft for leisure routes with low premium demand. I suspect it should be a relatively small aircraft, maybe the 797 if it comes to fruition, or otherwise the 764 or 332 fleet in its later years.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:41 am

panamair wrote:
TW870 wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early.


I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything?



Some pics of the cabin here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deltanews ... 557869132/

Press release
https://news.delta.com/delta-launches-a ... eattle-and


The A330neo Delta One Suites seem to have been refined from the A350/777 design, and is more in line with the aesthetics of the 767-400 Delta One Seats.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:32 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 7/10
763ER-high J(T): RDU-CDG route migrates effective 7/6 (N1609)
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 12:00pm SEA-OGG-SEA rotation (N1612T)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 11:58am JFK-ATL-JFK rotation (N186DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high J on JFK-FRA-ATL rotation (N169DZ)
763ER-low J: JFK-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N1603)
332: DTW-AMS-DTW rescue flights following previous day's cancellation (N856NW)
764: 9:45am ATL-SEA-ATL rotation on Wednesdays migrates from 753 effective 7/10 (N842MH)
339: SEA-PVG route migrates from 763ER-high J(T) effective 7/10 (N401DZ)
7CB: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-PVG-ATL rotation (N705DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N817NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:38 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

332: DTW-AMS-DTW rescue flights following previous day's cancellation (N856NW)


Bringing DTW-AMS to 5x today:

- DL 132 AIRBUS A350-900 Delta Air Lines N512DN
- DL 134 AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N820NW
- DL 136 AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N802NW
- DL 138 AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N811NW
- DL 9908 AIRBUS A330-200 Delta Air Lines N856NW
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:52 pm

AdEd wrote:
panamair wrote:
TW870 wrote:

I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything?



Some pics of the cabin here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deltanews ... 557869132/

Press release
https://news.delta.com/delta-launches-a ... eattle-and


The A330neo Delta One Suites seem to have been refined from the A350/777 design, and is more in line with the aesthetics of the 767-400 Delta One Seats.

The thing that stands out to me is the door is a separate piece and not part of the actual seat assembly as it is on the A350 and 777. The rest of the seat appears to be identical to the 767-400.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:16 pm

panamair wrote:
TW870 wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early.


I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything?



Some pics of the cabin here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deltanews ... 557869132/

Press release
https://news.delta.com/delta-launches-a ... eattle-and


Very nice looking cabin in all four classes of service! I do like that Delta differentiates Comfort+ with the stitching and red accents - unlike AA where there's no visible distinction other than a little extra leg room.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:30 pm

The second A339 is enroute to KSEA do its part onward to PVG
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N402DX
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:30 pm

Dangit, I was on a meeting in the wrong side of the building and missed its arrival!

The PVG-SEA flight arrives before I usually get to work, so seeing a 339 out the window will still be a rare treat for a little while.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:19 pm

timf wrote:
AdEd wrote:
panamair wrote:


The A330neo Delta One Suites seem to have been refined from the A350/777 design, and is more in line with the aesthetics of the 767-400 Delta One Seats.

The thing that stands out to me is the door is a separate piece and not part of the actual seat assembly as it is on the A350 and 777. The rest of the seat appears to be identical to the 767-400.


It has the trim and finish of the 767-400 but it is based on the Vantage XL whereas the 767-400 is the regular vantage so similar but much larger space.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:22 pm

The 339neo Delta1 seat looks slightly less box than the 359. I like the new trim. The 767-400 is definitely more welcoming than the 359 but without a door so good direction.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:07 am

I've noticed the past 2 days the A339 cruise pretty high on initial climb out of Ksea....yesterday was Fl360 and today is Fl380....those improvements are working wonderfully
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:58 am

panamair wrote:


The smaller space to work with is noticeable. Seat looks fairly narrow, and the foot cubbies are a worry point. Also the storage situation doesn't look promising.

I'd call it a Vantage X--halfway between the XL and original. Be interesting to read some reviews.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:03 am

TropicalSky wrote:
I've noticed the past 2 days the A339 cruise pretty high on initial climb out of Ksea....yesterday was Fl360 and today is Fl380....those improvements are working wonderfully


It has a big wing, a lot of thrust, and likely on these flights a lot of MTOW headroom. Today's big twins in general have impressive climb performance and tend to fly high. If you cruise around Flightradar24 looking for airliners at FL400/410 you'll see a lot of A330s and 787s.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:47 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 7/11
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from low-J on SEA-AMS-SEA rotation (N1607B)
763ER-high J: JFK-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N172DN)
763ER-low J: TPA-AMS rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N152DL)
763ER-low J: JFK-FRA rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N169DZ)
332: DTW-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N851NW)
332: ATL-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N854NW)
764: 7:15pm JFK-LAX flight diverted to MSP - medical? (N836MH)
339: ATL-SEA ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N402DX)
339: first commercial flight of aircraft as DL589 SEA-PVG (N402DX)
77L: unscheduled swap from 7CB on ATL-NRT-ATL rotation (N701DN)
77L: PVG-ATL flight diverted to SEA - medical? (N708DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 332 on ATL-LHR-ATL rotation (N817NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:28 am

Any idea what N828MH has been doing in MSP since 6/25, or what its next move is and when?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:01 am

MSPNWA wrote:
panamair wrote:


The smaller space to work with is noticeable. Seat looks fairly narrow, and the foot cubbies are a worry point. Also the storage situation doesn't look promising.

I'd call it a Vantage X--halfway between the XL and original. Be interesting to read some reviews.

The fleet section of the Delta app states that the D1 Suite on the 339 has a seat width of 29 in, while the D1 seat on the refurbished 764 has a seat width of 20 in. Comparing photos, the D1 Suite on the 339 appears to be the exact same seat as the new D1 product for the refurbished 764, but with sliding doors attached.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:42 am

NateGreat wrote:
The fleet section of the Delta app states that the D1 Suite on the 339 has a seat width of 29 in, while the D1 seat on the refurbished 764 has a seat width of 20 in. Comparing photos, the D1 Suite on the 339 appears to be the exact same seat as the new D1 product for the refurbished 764, but with sliding doors attached.


The 29in for the A339 was a typo. It has been changed now to 23.3 in. Both the A359 and 777s are listed as 22-24 in, with the center seats being slightly narrower than the single seats on each side.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:04 am

MSPNWA wrote:
panamair wrote:


The smaller space to work with is noticeable. Seat looks fairly narrow, and the foot cubbies are a worry point. Als o the storage situation doesn't look promising.

I'd call it a Vantage X--halfway between the XL and original. Be interesting to read some reviews.


It’s definitely a XL. Same one Qantas operates just with different trim and a door added on the exterior making the aisles slightly narrower. It’s actually better designed space with less “blank space” like there is on 359 and 777 behind the passengers head. Same storage as the 359 and 777- which was more than adequate on my last flight. Do you feel all of those negative things about the 350 and 777 as the 339 will actually be less narrow due to the redesign.

To veer off topic slightly- why are you super critical to DL I’ve never read a positive comment about the company from you.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:07 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 7/12
763ER-high J(T): unscheduled swap from low-J on SEA-AMS-SEA rotation (N1607B)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from 764 on 8:30am JFK-LAX-JFK rotation (N186DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 3:00pm ATL-MCO-ATL rotation (N188DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on 7:00am ATL-LAS-ATL rotation (N195DN)
763ER-low J: ZRH-ATL flight cancelled - tech (N1605)
333: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N801NW)
333: MXP-JFK flight cancelled - tech (N813NW)

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