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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:57 pm

Must have missed these earlier, but:

G4 IND-PGD is going up to 3x daily on Saturdays in October, I believe this is tied for the highest frequency G4 offers across its network
UA IND-IAH is scheduled to be all E170/E175 in January
UA IND-ORD is scheduled to have 1x B739 on Saturdays in October, and increases to 10x daily on Saturdays and Sundays
UA IND-SFO tentatively upguaged to an A320 for January, looks like B738/B739 from Nov-Dec
WN IND-OAK as mentioned above is back 5x weekly for November on the B738 rather than a B737
WN MCI-IND will see the B738 in November
WN PHX/LAX-IND will be all B738 M-F
WN is opening a small connecting bank in November, on weekday evenings looks like there are 4-5 departures within 10 minutes. There is also an increase in connection opportunities, and one-stop no plane change routings: LAX-IND-FLL, BWI-IND-OAK, RSW-IND-DEN, e.t.c
F9 will run their IND-LAS 11:59PM flights on the A321 for Sep-early Nov, IND-MCO will be a mix of A320/A321 for the same period of time
AS IND-SEA is showing B739 all the way through winter and spring, not sure if this will stay
Thanksgiving changes, IND-DFW/ATL/MSP/CLT/LGA/IAD/RDU get additional flights, UA is also showing mainline on IND-IAH
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:41 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Must have missed these earlier, but:

G4 IND-PGD is going up to 3x daily on Saturdays in October, I believe this is tied for the highest frequency G4 offers across its network
UA IND-IAH is scheduled to be all E170/E175 in January
UA IND-ORD is scheduled to have 1x B739 on Saturdays in October, and increases to 10x daily on Saturdays and Sundays
UA IND-SFO tentatively upguaged to an A320 for January, looks like B738/B739 from Nov-Dec
WN IND-OAK as mentioned above is back 5x weekly for November on the B738 rather than a B737
WN MCI-IND will see the B738 in November
WN PHX/LAX-IND will be all B738 M-F
WN is opening a small connecting bank in November, on weekday evenings looks like there are 4-5 departures within 10 minutes. There is also an increase in connection opportunities, and one-stop no plane change routings: LAX-IND-FLL, BWI-IND-OAK, RSW-IND-DEN, e.t.c
F9 will run their IND-LAS 11:59PM flights on the A321 for Sep-early Nov, IND-MCO will be a mix of A320/A321 for the same period of time
AS IND-SEA is showing B739 all the way through winter and spring, not sure if this will stay
Thanksgiving changes, IND-DFW/ATL/MSP/CLT/LGA/IAD/RDU get additional flights, UA is also showing mainline on IND-IAH


Just when you think LAS can't handle anymore seats Frontier throws their high density A321 on that route.

Also, I wish F9 would move that flight back during the day time. The times suck.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:56 pm

FWIW, I took IND-CDG yesterday which had a 100% LF, guessing some people taking long weekends for the holiday

Gate agent said that the flight was supposed to go to daily in April, but I think they were just following the tentative schedule which will more than likely change. 5/8 FAs were IND based, and they mentioned that the base exists 7 months out of the year for now.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:36 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
FWIW, I took IND-CDG yesterday which had a 100% LF, guessing some people taking long weekends for the holiday

Gate agent said that the flight was supposed to go to daily in April, but I think they were just following the tentative schedule which will more than likely change. 5/8 FAs were IND based, and they mentioned that the base exists 7 months out of the year for now.


That's awesome news. Let's hope that happens--good for IND. In case anyone is looking to take this hop across the pond, lots of availability in shoulder season for 40k SkyMiles R/T.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:24 pm

A few updates from the schedule changes this weekend:
G4 is making a sizable increase to SRQ, looks like close to daily for Thanksgiving/Christmas/February, then moves up to daily in March. G4 will max out at 10 daily flights from IND in March.

AA will increase to 3x A319 on IND-ORD in December, a nice increase from last December of 1xB738. At the same time keeping only 1 daily 50 seater
AA extended B738 service up to Christmas Break for IND-MIA
AA IND-PHL will get the A319 for Christmas Break

I am very interested in seeing how much mainline AA plans for IND-ORD, considering they are running 3 daily mainline in mid-December, I could see them adding maybe up to 5x daily mainline flights in the summer

Flew back on CDG-IND this weekend, flight was 70-75% full. Customs facility had 5 lanes open, most people cleared customs in 15 minutes after reaching the line and most bags came in about 20-30 minutes of deboarding. There were some connecting passengers, but I didn't see how many, also was told the IND crew base was just over 50 crew. The customs/baggage space isn't big, but after going through the facility for the first time in a while, I think the space is adequate for the amount of int'l service IND has.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:18 am

Looks like LGG on FedEx was purely conjecture. FR24 isn't showing departure to LGG or arrival from CGN. Oh well, I guess...
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:20 am

Well, looks like the FedEx flight from CGN-IND-LGG was conjecture. Nothing showing on FR24
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:47 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
FWIW, I took IND-CDG yesterday which had a 100% LF, guessing some people taking long weekends for the holiday

Gate agent said that the flight was supposed to go to daily in April, but I think they were just following the tentative schedule which will more than likely change. 5/8 FAs were IND based, and they mentioned that the base exists 7 months out of the year for now.


I flew IND-CDG on Friday and I would bet it was close to 100% as well.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:56 am

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Well, looks like the FedEx flight from CGN-IND-LGG was conjecture. Nothing showing on FR24


FR24 isn't showing it properly for some reason. Flightaware does. The flight is real and its happening.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX ... /EDDK/KIND

Search FX97 on FR24 and it will say CGN-N/A
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:42 pm

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midwestspotter wrote:
Well, looks like the FedEx flight from CGN-IND-LGG was conjecture. Nothing showing on FR24


FR24 isn't showing it properly for some reason. Flightaware does. The flight is real and its happening.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX ... /EDDK/KIND

Search FX97 on FR24 and it will say CGN-N/A


That is awesome news. Was hoping it would be on a 777 but great nonetheless. Is the IND-LGG route also live? That's some decent expansion of routes for FedEx.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:00 pm

airboss787 wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
midwestspotter wrote:
Well, looks like the FedEx flight from CGN-IND-LGG was conjecture. Nothing showing on FR24


FR24 isn't showing it properly for some reason. Flightaware does. The flight is real and its happening.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX ... /EDDK/KIND

Search FX97 on FR24 and it will say CGN-N/A


That is awesome news. Was hoping it would be on a 777 but great nonetheless. Is the IND-LGG route also live? That's some decent expansion of routes for FedEx.


IND-LGG is in the air as I type this message:
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KIND/EBLG

I can see IND-CGN/MXP/East Asia following, a little farther down the line IND-DXB, as Indiana state officials were in the UAE advocating for cargo flights to GYY and IND.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:25 am

I definitely could see IND getting MXP and DXB in the future. After all, FedEx still has 16 777s on order. I don't know if GYY is ready for that kind of service yet, though.

In terms of passenger routes, I could see Delta or Alaska adding PDX in the near future. Maybe Sun Country, if all else fails.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:42 am

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I definitely could see IND getting MXP and DXB in the future. After all, FedEx still has 16 777s on order. I don't know if GYY is ready for that kind of service yet, though.

In terms of passenger routes, I could see Delta or Alaska adding PDX in the near future. Maybe Sun Country, if all else fails.


GYY is interesting, in theory it is a great place for a decent sized cargo airport: no congestion at the airport, ample rail & road network in close proximity, and at least some room for expansion. We'll see....there seems to be some interest and I think the state would be willing to subsidize service for international air cargo.

From the passenger side, it looks like Memphis(NQA) might have a shot with their SCAD proposal for service to IND, although I wouldn't bet on it given the track record of that proposal. MKE with service from ME seems like a likelihood in the next 1-2 years, depending on how successful their initial routes are.

I'm also keeping an eye on the March timeframe for any changes:
- Last March IND-SRQ was at 96% LF, and last week G4 already bumped it up to daily for Spring 2020. With WN potentially weakened for March 2020 with MAX issues, other airlines might want to gobble up some of the extra capacity WN usually adds for March. Especially since avg LF last march was mid 90s to Orlando, Miami, Tampa, e.t.c. Additionally, that high LF was met with much higher fares YOY.

-Accounting for potential MAX drawbacks and O&D growth YOY, this might be a good time for DL to try out IND-TPA or for expansion on their existing P2P routes. Yields/LFs are high, WN who usually is strong on IND-Florida is currently at its weakest, and with YX getting more E175s there will be more IND based planes that will be idle on Saturdays.

Still looming though is G4 to Mexico, MEX service, SAN, B6/SY, Canada, AUS, and a few other major targets to look into.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:25 pm

Flew LAS-IND last night on Spirit. Only 72 seats were filled out of 186. Based on previous load factors I must have gotten the luck of the draw. Whole row was to myself.
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:43 pm

Big December increase for WN, they are adding back 1,500 seats per weekday vs their initial published December schedule. There will also be additional flights to BWI, DAL, DEN, FLL, RSW, LAS, PHX, and TPA YOY, accompanied by a YOY loss of BOS, EWR, and 1x ATL/MDW.
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:31 pm

Looks like Frontier is adding Cancun. Twice weekly seasonal flight from December. Equipment and exact start dates are not mentioned. But tried a dummy booking and seems to be starting on the 20th of December. Probably an A320 though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.c ... indy%3famp
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:58 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
FWIW, I took IND-CDG yesterday which had a 100% LF, guessing some people taking long weekends for the holiday

Gate agent said that the flight was supposed to go to daily in April, but I think they were just following the tentative schedule which will more than likely change. 5/8 FAs were IND based, and they mentioned that the base exists 7 months out of the year for now.


I was on that flight too! Where were you sitting?
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:00 pm

I flew the IND - CUN flight 9 years ago.... on Frontier. How long will they keep it this time?
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:02 pm

So, will a partition be built for Gate A3 to empty into customs?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:04 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
FWIW, I took IND-CDG yesterday which had a 100% LF, guessing some people taking long weekends for the holiday

Gate agent said that the flight was supposed to go to daily in April, but I think they were just following the tentative schedule which will more than likely change. 5/8 FAs were IND based, and they mentioned that the base exists 7 months out of the year for now.


I was on that flight too! Where were you sitting?


No way! Economy Comfort on the window seat!

stlgph wrote:
So, will a partition be built for Gate A3 to empty into customs?


Was wondering that as well, I was thinking they would park at A4 and tow over to A3, but that would not be very efficient.

I do think a partition will be used, but we will see. I think international was the plan all along when the airport moved F9 to A3

airboss787 wrote:
Looks like Frontier is adding Cancun. Twice weekly seasonal flight from December. Equipment and exact start dates are not mentioned. But tried a dummy booking and seems to be starting on the 20th of December. Probably an A320 though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.c ... indy%3famp


Good find, looks like this resumption is a replacement for Vacation Express. Not giving F9 too much credit though since this is just a resumption.

Wonder if G4 will still be interested in the international market.
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:06 pm

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0910152034

July 2019

Domestic: July '19 v. '18 +1.9%
International: July '19 v. '18 +5.4%
-Enplaning: +16.9%(Driven by large increase from IND-CDG, given Vacation Express didn't run in July)
YTD: +1.6%

YTD Market Share- 2019 v (2018)
WN-28.4% (31.9%)
DL-25.9% (22.4%)
AA-20.8% (21.9%)
UA-11.4% (12.0%)
G4-6.4% (6.2%)
NK-2.5%
F9-2.3% (2.9%)
AS-1.2% (1.8%)

July '19 v. July '18
AS (-35.3%)
AC (+0.1%)
G4 (-5.9%)
AA (+3.2%)
DL (+11.7%)
F9 (+5.6%)
WN (-6.8%)
UA (-4.9%)

DL growth over the last year plus:
2019
July +11.7%
June + 7.2%
May +13.0%
Apr +10.9%
Mar +14.6%
Feb +10.7%
Jan +13.3%
DEC +11.5%
NOV +15.2%
OCT +11.3%
SEP +14.8%
AUG +19.5%
JUL +14.9%
JUN +13.1%
2018
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:17 pm

June and March data:
March International LF:
Vacation Express-IND-CUN-86.2%; CUN-IND-83.2%
Vacation Express-IND-PUJ-94.6%; PUJ-IND-94.5%
Southwest-IND-CUN-92.6%; CUN-IND-85.9%
Delta-IND-CUN-95.6%; CUN-IND-94.6%
Delta-IND-CDG-83.3%; CDG-IND-74.4%
Air Canada-IND-YYZ-74.5%; YYZ-IND-67.8%

Overall pretty decent LF for IND-CDG considering these numbers are still from Year 1, everything else looks status quo for Spring Break

June LF:
G4 IND-PGD-95.5%; PGD-IND-91.7%
G4 IND-FLL-95.2%; FLL-IND-95.7%
G4 IND-LAS-94.9%; LAS-IND-95.8%
G4 IND-PIE-94.0%; PIE-IND-92.8%

G4 IND-SFB-93.1%; SFB-IND-90.9%
G4 IND-SRQ-93.0%; SRQ-IND-91.0%
G4 IND-SAV-90.0%; SAV-IND-89.8%
G4 IND-MYR-88.4%; MYR-IND-83.4%
G4 IND-AUS-86.5%; AUS-IND-94.6%
G4 IND-VPS-85.8%; VPS-IND-80.6%
G4 IND-CHS-85.0%; CHS-IND-81.4%
G4 IND-JAX-83.2%; JAX-IND-88.4%
Overall G4 LF: 91.9%

AA IND-LAX-97.4%; LAX-IND-95.2%
AA IND-PHX-96.6%; PHX-IND-97.5%
AA IND-DFW-92.0%; DFW-IND-89.9%
AA IND-CLT-91.3%; CLT-IND-93.3%
AA IND-JFK-91.0%; JFK-IND-88.4%
AA IND-LGA-86.7%; LGA-IND-85.7%
AA IND-PHL-85.5%; PHL-IND-83.4%
AA IND-DCA-85.3%; DCA-IND-86.4%
AA IND-MIA-85.3%; MIA-IND-86.7%
AA IND-ORD-83.7%; ORD-IND-80.4%
Over AA mainline LF: 90.2%

AS IND-SEA-95.5%; SEA-IND-95.2%

DL IND-SEA-96.5%; SEA-IND-96.1%

DL IND-LAX-94.4%; LAX-IND-94.2%
DL IND-SLC-93.7%; SLC-IND-95.7%
DL IND-MSP-93.1%; MSP-IND-92.8%

DL IND-MCO-91.4%; MCO-IND-89.9%
DL IND-ATL-90.0%; ATL-IND-89.5%
DL IND-DTW-83.6%; DTW-IND-83.0%
DL IND-JFK-79.0%; JFK-IND-87.2%
DL IND-RDU-78.8%; RDU-IND-84.0%
DL IND-RSW-78.7%; RSW-IND-82.4%
DL IND-BOS-78.5%; BOS-IND-77.9%
Overall DL mainline LF: 90.2%

F9 IND-MCO-95.6%; MCO-IND-93.8%
F9 IND-LAS-95.1%; LAS-IND-96.3%
F9 IND-DEN-94.7%; DEN-IND-92.9%

Overall F9 LF: 95.1%

NK IND-LAS-90.8%; LAS-IND-94.0%
NK IND-MCO-88.1%; MCO-IND-90.7%
NK IND-MYR-38.8%; MYR-IND-64.9%
Overall NK LF: 81.8%

WN IND-RSW-96.4%; RSW-IND-89.9%
WN IND-LAX-95.9%; LAX-IND-97.6%
WN IND-LAS-95.1%; LAS-IND-92.7%
WN IND-AUS-94.7%; AUS-IND-90.7%
WN IND-OAK-94.6%; OAK-IND-88.1% (Not full month)
WN IND-PHX-94.2%; PHX-IND-95.3%
WN IND-DEN-93.1%; DEN-IND-94.4%

WN IND-DAL-92.6%; DAL-IND-90.5%
WN IND-FLL-91.1%; FLL-IND-91.3%
WN IND-MCO-90.4%; MCO-IND-89.7%
WN IND-SAN-89.0%; SAN-IND-96.0%
WN IND-HOU-87.2%; HOU-IND-88.7%
WN IND-MSY-86.7%; MSY-IND-96.9% (MSY-IND Only didn’t fill 22 seats all of June)
WN IND-BWI-86.6%; BWI-IND-83.7%
WN IND-MDW-86.4%; MSY-IND-80.4%
WN IND-ATL-85.0%; ATL-IND-81.9%
WN IND-TPA-83.1%; TPA-IND-89.9%
WN IND-BOS-78.6%; BOS-IND-61.1%
WN IND-MCI-61.4%; MCI-IND-64.8%
Overall WN LF: 88.3%

UA IND-DEN-95.0%; DEN-IND-92.9%
UA IND-IAH-93.3%; IAH-IND-90.5%
UA IND-EWR-90.8%; EWR-IND-92.1%
UA IND-IAD-88.5%; IAD-IND-89.4%
UA IND-SFO-87.1%; SFO-IND-88.2%
UA IND-ORD-85.8%; ORD-IND-84.6%
Overall UA LF: 93.4%

Routes to watch for next June:
IND-SEA-95.9% total LF across all carriers
- This route speaks for itself, the trend in other markets has been for either AS to add a 2nd seasonal frequency, or for DL to upguage equipment. IMO both seem possible
IND-LAX-95.8% total LF across all carriers
- DL upguaged to a B738 over the summer, but it wasn't enough to match capacity demand, very likely either AA or DL will be 2x daily next June
IND-PHX-95.4% total LF across all carriers
- Route was impacted by MAX cuts, expect WN to add frequency back in this market next June, potentially an upguage from AA as well depending what they do with LAX
IND-LAS-94.1% total LF across all carriers
- Some sort of added capacity is likely here: G4 operated a A319 in June as opposed to the normal A320's G4 operates from IND, which likely boosted G4's IND-LAS numbers.
Nevertheless, even with NK in the market, I see there being room for some sort of increased service on IND-LAS
Others: IND-SLC, IND-MSP, IND-DEN, IND-AUS
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:22 am

WN has capacity issues and still MCI-IND is in the low 60s. I’ve been wondering for awhile if that route sticks around or they try something else.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:25 pm

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WN has capacity issues and still MCI-IND is in the low 60s. I’ve been wondering for awhile if that route sticks around or they try something else.


There has to be a reason they are keeping it around. I think it is mostly because it performs well yield wise, ex. outperforming IND-ATL/BWI/DAL/e.t.c

What's the alternative, cut IND-MCI, and then what?
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:28 pm

IND-STL could be an option to replace MCI. If you need to get to LIT TUL or ICT, STL would be the best place to connect on any Airline.

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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:51 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
WN has capacity issues and still MCI-IND is in the low 60s. I’ve been wondering for awhile if that route sticks around or they try something else.


There has to be a reason they are keeping it around. I think it is mostly because it performs well yield wise, ex. outperforming IND-ATL/BWI/DAL/e.t.c

What's the alternative, cut IND-MCI, and then what?


There are other stations to push connections thru. DEN/BNA/STL/HOU/LAS/PHX. MDW if they can find room. It depends where those connectors are going as to where you shift things around. What is the PDEW for IND-MCI?

Can they make more money running a full plane somewhere else than a 60% plane thru MCI?
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:31 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
WN has capacity issues and still MCI-IND is in the low 60s. I’ve been wondering for awhile if that route sticks around or they try something else.


There has to be a reason they are keeping it around. I think it is mostly because it performs well yield wise, ex. outperforming IND-ATL/BWI/DAL/e.t.c

What's the alternative, cut IND-MCI, and then what?


There are other stations to push connections thru. DEN/BNA/STL/HOU/LAS/PHX. MDW if they can find room. It depends where those connectors are going as to where you shift things around. What is the PDEW for IND-MCI?

Can they make more money running a full plane somewhere else than a 60% plane thru MCI?


IND-MCI averages around 120 PDEW, say WN were to cut that route, they would lose a vast majority of the market share on this somewhat lucrative route since connecting options on AA/UA are much more advantageous.

The only place that would be logical to take on some of the IND-MCI traffic would be STL, although I'm not sold on the economics behind IND-STL being better than IND-MCI.

Adding an extra frequency on IND-DEN/HOU/e.t.c doesn't help WN much in IND, if it comes at the expense of another route. One main reason people were attracted to WN in IND was the nonstop offering they had, the fewer nonstops WN offers from IND the less appealing it is to chose to fly with them.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:20 pm

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There has to be a reason they are keeping it around. I think it is mostly because it performs well yield wise, ex. outperforming IND-ATL/BWI/DAL/e.t.c

What's the alternative, cut IND-MCI, and then what?


There are other stations to push connections thru. DEN/BNA/STL/HOU/LAS/PHX. MDW if they can find room. It depends where those connectors are going as to where you shift things around. What is the PDEW for IND-MCI?

Can they make more money running a full plane somewhere else than a 60% plane thru MCI?


IND-MCI averages around 120 PDEW, say WN were to cut that route, they would lose a vast majority of the market share on this somewhat lucrative route since connecting options on AA/UA are much more advantageous.

The only place that would be logical to take on some of the IND-MCI traffic would be STL, although I'm not sold on the economics behind IND-STL being better than IND-MCI.

Adding an extra frequency on IND-DEN/HOU/e.t.c doesn't help WN much in IND, if it comes at the expense of another route. One main reason people were attracted to WN in IND was the nonstop offering they had, the fewer nonstops WN offers from IND the less appealing it is to chose to fly with them.


The “problem” (using quotes because I’m not convinced of how bad it is) with STL is the same as with BNA: the competition with a fairly easy drive. In fact, while the distance is similar the drive to Saint Louis is much easier because the biggest cities on that drive are Effinghham and Terre Haute, and getting through Louisville can be a pain.

MCI traditionally had a lot more WN service to the west coast than did STL. That’s less true now, but even coming from BNA - which is better connected to the west coast than is IND - I feel like I am offered many more MCI connections than STL connections to the west coast.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:32 pm

STL offers much better service to the west coast than MCI. MCI doesn't offer nonstops to SFO,SJC or SMF and only offers seasonal to SEA and PDX. STL offers year round to all of these. MCI offers no connections to DSM,OMA,ICT,TUL or OKC.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:50 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
STL offers much better service to the west coast than MCI. MCI doesn't offer nonstops to SFO,SJC or SMF and only offers seasonal to SEA and PDX. STL offers year round to all of these. MCI offers no connections to DSM,OMA,ICT,TUL or OKC.


Not to get this way off Indy but a majority of STLs west coast flights are all in the 1:45ish bank. So if your home airport doesn’t have an inbound to STL at that time you won’t get a ton of great connecting times thru STL

Back to Indy. I didn’t realize IND-MCI had that many PDEW. Do we know or can we even tell if it is one way a lot more than the other. As in could going down to one flight a day timed for one of the cities better work?
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:39 am

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WN IND-LAX-95.4%; LAX-IND-95.2%


Damn.

I remember when this was just getting started, I flew it 5-6 times in the first year and it was never more than maybe 40% full.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:39 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
STL offers much better service to the west coast than MCI. MCI doesn't offer nonstops to SFO,SJC or SMF and only offers seasonal to SEA and PDX. STL offers year round to all of these. MCI offers no connections to DSM,OMA,ICT,TUL or OKC.


Not to get this way off Indy but a majority of STLs west coast flights are all in the 1:45ish bank. So if your home airport doesn’t have an inbound to STL at that time you won’t get a ton of great connecting times thru STL

Back to Indy. I didn’t realize IND-MCI had that many PDEW. Do we know or can we even tell if it is one way a lot more than the other. As in could going down to one flight a day timed for one of the cities better work?


IND-MCI is more heavily MCI point of sale, although going down 1x daily would probably kill the route
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
STL offers much better service to the west coast than MCI. MCI doesn't offer nonstops to SFO,SJC or SMF and only offers seasonal to SEA and PDX. STL offers year round to all of these. MCI offers no connections to DSM,OMA,ICT,TUL or OKC.


Not to get this way off Indy but a majority of STLs west coast flights are all in the 1:45ish bank. So if your home airport doesn’t have an inbound to STL at that time you won’t get a ton of great connecting times thru STL

Back to Indy. I didn’t realize IND-MCI had that many PDEW. Do we know or can we even tell if it is one way a lot more than the other. As in could going down to one flight a day timed for one of the cities better work?


IND-MCI is more heavily MCI point of sale, although going down 1x daily would probably kill the route


I am thinking if you moved it to 1x a day and did morning MCI-IND and evening (but still able to hit some connections) IND-MCI how would it do? You still get the MCI day trip people if that is a majority of the O&D. Still might be tough though. It would be interesting to see how the loads differ per flight right now (Morning/Night) each way.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:08 pm

UA will be running a mix of A320/B738 on IND-SFO for January-February

https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-r ... hs-of-2019
"Indy Airport Sees Highest Passenger Traffic in First Six Months of 2019"
"In all, second quarter 2019 airline seat miles were up 4%."
"Delta Air Lines made the biggest impact of existing airlines on second quarter numbers, compared to the second quarter of 2018. Seat capacity with Delta increased 5% over the same time last year. Delta also saw a 6% increase in total flights and a 24% increase in seat miles. This is, in part, due to the increased frequency of flights to Paris and Seattle compared to second quarter 2018."
"More seat miles, more seat capacity and more destinations that were either unserved or underserved previously – that’s the kind of growth story that gets noticed and attracts airline partners to our community,” said Marsha Stone, IAA senior director of commercial enterprise. “That performance record is going to be front and center at the Routes Americas conference that will be held here in Indianapolis in February 2020.”

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Not to get this way off Indy but a majority of STLs west coast flights are all in the 1:45ish bank. So if your home airport doesn’t have an inbound to STL at that time you won’t get a ton of great connecting times thru STL

Back to Indy. I didn’t realize IND-MCI had that many PDEW. Do we know or can we even tell if it is one way a lot more than the other. As in could going down to one flight a day timed for one of the cities better work?


IND-MCI is more heavily MCI point of sale, although going down 1x daily would probably kill the route


I am thinking if you moved it to 1x a day and did morning MCI-IND and evening (but still able to hit some connections) IND-MCI how would it do? You still get the MCI day trip people if that is a majority of the O&D. Still might be tough. It would be interesting to see how the loads differ per flight right now (Morning/Night) each way.


IIRC MCI-IND is only 55%-60% of the O&D, so it will be hard to capture a lot of O&D with 1x daily (especially assuming not all of the MCI-IND are day trippers)
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:57 pm

https://www.genesys.com/podcast/series/ ... 1566834575

Cool Podcast from the Exec Director talking about his journey and time in New Orleans, and a little bit about customer service at IND


IND and Visit Indy will also be at World Routes this weekend as well
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:19 pm

FAA Announces grants for Indiana airports

https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=24203&fbclid=IwAR2B_cUjyILKIzFx6b3L_dAhtxDcyNb425v1kmoGxayyzP97pMnpNt2Dz_M

Interesting things to note IND gets $300,000 for a "miscellaneous study" and almost $2.1 million to build a new taxiway (wonder where to?)
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:19 am

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FAA Announces grants for Indiana airports

https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=24203&fbclid=IwAR2B_cUjyILKIzFx6b3L_dAhtxDcyNb425v1kmoGxayyzP97pMnpNt2Dz_M

Interesting things to note IND gets $300,000 for a "miscellaneous study" and almost $2.1 million to build a new taxiway (wonder where to?)

My best guess is that 5L/23R will get high-speed taxiways to match the ones built for 5R-23L in 2018.
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:25 am

I see KLM added AUS to their route map!! That’s great for Austin! I know Indianapolis is NOT AUS, but I do think a AMS addition could work here. Your thoughts? Any odds a similar route by KLM in IND?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:33 am

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I see KLM added AUS to their route map!! That’s great for Austin! I know Indianapolis is NOT AUS, but I do think a AMS addition could work here. Your thoughts? Any odds a similar route by KLM in IND?


AMS alongside the current CDG service would be a lot of Sky Team capacity...

I’m thinking it would be more beneficial for an airline like Lufthansa to come in.
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:57 am

What is the likely hood of a Lufthansa coming to IND??? Slim to none?? Or what?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:01 am

Jesus Christ - no on more trans-Atlantic services.

Thank your lucky stars this service to Paris on Delta seems to be working for now.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:03 am

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What is the likely hood of a Lufthansa coming to IND??? Slim to none?? Or what?


Very slim. And the same goes for the likes of CVG, STL, BNA, RDU, etc. LH is much more conservative when opening new routes and with a few exceptions, have mostly stuck to the larger markets. AUS is a unique situation because of how fast it is growing, it's large catchment area (drawing from SAT as well) and the amount of premium traffic it generates due to its large corporate sector. Plus, UA/Star Alliance has a bigger presence at AUS compared to the aforementioned airports.

I think BA would/should be a more realistic target for IND.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:04 am

I am not convinced it will work long term with DL IND is a small very small market, I am just asking questions.....
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:35 am

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I am not convinced it will work long term with DL IND is a small very small market, I am just asking questions.....


IND has around 650 pax/day flying TATL during the summer, so it isn't that small

fedex1 wrote:
I see KLM added AUS to their route map!! That’s great for Austin! I know Indianapolis is NOT AUS, but I do think a AMS addition could work here. Your thoughts? Any odds a similar route by KLM in IND?


The goal is to get service to LON, given the O&D demand between LON and IND. At least during the summer, I'd be willing to wager LON is one of the largest, if not the largest unserved market from IND
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:42 am

Would LON service hurt DL CDG service????
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:43 am

Or would DL offer the service? Aren’t they the largest carrier from IND?
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:17 am

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Would LON service hurt DL CDG service????


I swear you have asked this question like 5-6 times now in the past 1.5 years. And no IND is not a very small market. We are a medium sized market just like Kansas City, Raleigh, St Louis, Cleveland, etc. Indy is not a Fort Wayne or South Bend.... Those are very small markets...
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:19 am

When I ask about a new market, I get told beg and cry that you have CDG, then some people say, IND -CDG DOESN'T perform well, so which is it? You guys get so worked up on this website!

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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:13 pm

Boyd Group is the originator of the idea of TATL to SDF - part of its' premise is 'drive-ability'[email protected] people are within 2 hours of SDF.

BA might decide SDF-LHR (or other EU carriers to their respective hub)). IND, CVG, DAY, LEX, EVV are easy drives to SDF....and BA would not have DL's CDG flights to compete with at IND or CVG. Whatever carrier might decide to do this "could" work out an arrangement with UPS for added cargo capacity between Worldport(SDF) and the EU....and that could ice the deal.

SDF is growing 11% ytd on top of 11% growth in 2018. There are multiple strategies to continue growing the economy and the population including: Healthcare, Logistics, Business Services and Tourism. Specific to Tourism...to grow from 16M to 25M by 2030.

SDF about to embark on $200M+ SDF Next....which includes FIS and an international gate(s).

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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:55 pm

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My best guess is that 5L/23R will get high-speed taxiways to match the ones built for 5R-23L in 2018.


The C7 and C4 high speed exits cost significantly more than $2 mil. This is a new connector from the IMC to TW A.
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