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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:04 pm

IND currently in negotiations with airlines for 4 new overseas routes, next route could be announced at Routes Americas. :stirthepot:
More details will be available tomorrow in the video

No idea which routes they could be

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CRJ 550 starts Oct 27th with a 12:22pm arrival at IND, 2xCRJ550 continues through winter
Last MD88 at IND appears to be Aug 31, after that IND-ATL turns all B739. Still early though, so this date could move forward or backward.

DL is making IND-JFK 3x daily from March-May (was already 3x daily June-November). Given the recent history, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried 4x daily in summer or an extra frequency to LGA.

RDU-IND is showing 2xCR9 in the Mid-March-Early April, IND-RDU hasn't adjusted yet. Pretty significant if this sticks, as that would be the last 50 seater route on DL

IND-MSP gets an additional mainline flight
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:12 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
IND currently in negotiations with airlines for 4 new overseas routes, next route could be announced at Routes Americas. :stirthepot:
More details will be available tomorrow in the video

No idea which routes they could be

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CRJ 550 starts Oct 27th with a 12:22pm arrival at IND, 2xCRJ550 continues through winter
Last MD88 at IND appears to be Aug 31, after that IND-ATL turns all B739. Still early though, so this date could move forward or backward.

DL is making IND-JFK 3x daily from March-May (was already 3x daily June-November). Given the recent history, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried 4x daily in summer or an extra frequency to LGA.

RDU-IND is showing 2xCR9 in the Mid-March-Early April, IND-RDU hasn't adjusted yet. Pretty significant if this sticks, as that would be the last 50 seater route on DL

IND-MSP gets an additional mainline flight


What video?

I bet London is in the mix.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:19 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
IND currently in negotiations with airlines for 4 new overseas routes, next route could be announced at Routes Americas. :stirthepot:
More details will be available tomorrow in the video

No idea which routes they could be

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CRJ 550 starts Oct 27th with a 12:22pm arrival at IND, 2xCRJ550 continues through winter
Last MD88 at IND appears to be Aug 31, after that IND-ATL turns all B739. Still early though, so this date could move forward or backward.

DL is making IND-JFK 3x daily from March-May (was already 3x daily June-November). Given the recent history, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried 4x daily in summer or an extra frequency to LGA.

RDU-IND is showing 2xCR9 in the Mid-March-Early April, IND-RDU hasn't adjusted yet. Pretty significant if this sticks, as that would be the last 50 seater route on DL

IND-MSP gets an additional mainline flight


What video?

I bet London is in the mix.


Should have mentioned that, IIB, Jim Schellinger was on the show this weekend and talked about Indiana's growing global profile
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:25 pm

Hmmm.

Japanese Carrier to NRT?

Delta to ICN?

Aer Lingus to DUB?

I wish they would focus on MEX or YUL 1st



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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:28 pm

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Hmmm.

Japanese Carrier to NRT?

Delta to ICN?

Aer Lingus to DUB?

I wish they would focus on MEX or YUL 1st



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Watch out with the Asia talk. The Loserville people will throw a fit.

My money is on BA to LHR
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:47 pm

zackary747 wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
Hmmm.

Japanese Carrier to NRT?

Delta to ICN?

Aer Lingus to DUB?

I wish they would focus on MEX or YUL 1st


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Watch out with the Asia talk. The Loserville people will throw a fit.

My money is on BA to LHR


Aer Lingus said they won't be able to add new routes until 2021, due to A321LR delays

Unfortunately I don't think Japan is in the cards, given all additional slots have been allocated. Unless one of the Japanese carriers drops an existing route. It's also very hard to guage how much demand there is to Asia given how heavy the bleed is from passengers flying out of ORD.

BA to LHR is the only route that seems very reasonable in the next year or so
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:45 pm

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IND currently in negotiations with airlines for 4 new overseas routes, next route could be announced at Routes Americas. :stirthepot:
More details will be available tomorrow in the video


Overseas meaning TPAC and TATL? Interesting
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:09 pm

Source of this rumor? Isn’t every airport always in negotiations with carriers over new routes? What % come to fruition?

IND to Asia is ludicrous— come on people.
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:30 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
IND currently in negotiations with airlines for 4 new overseas routes, next route could be announced at Routes Americas. :stirthepot:
More details will be available tomorrow in the video


Overseas meaning TPAC and TATL? Interesting


The assumption is yes:

The governor of Indiana is pushing very hard for this, given it is in his 2019 agenda and $20 million has been allocated for it
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ncflyer wrote:
Source of this rumor? Isn’t every airport always in negotiations with carriers over new routes? What % come to fruition?

IND to Asia is ludicrous— come on people.


From a television show spotlighting Indiana Business, Indiana Secretary of Commerce made the claim as he is in charge of negotiations with airlines since airports can't give direct cash incentives to airlines.

If it is so ludicrous why would airlines be negotiating about nonstop flights to Asia from IND?
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:40 pm

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Source of this rumor? Isn’t every airport always in negotiations with carriers over new routes? What % come to fruition?

IND to Asia is ludicrous— come on people.



I don't think it is ludicrous. Unlikely today, perhaps... but it will happen in due time. 5 years ago the thought of BA serving AUS was ludicrous on A.net. Since then BA has served AUS with 747s and has been joined by Lufthansa, Norwegian, and KLM. Medium sized cities will gain nonstop service to Asia at some point, probably starting with the likes of AUS and RDU. IND and its peer cities won't be far behind.

As far as your first point, I agree. Even Saginaw was in talks with someone about service to Asia about 5 years ago.
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:17 pm

AA changes for January yoy
IND-LAX increases from 5-6x weekly
IND-ORD decreases to 7x daily
IND-MIA keeps mainline
IND-LGA/JFK goes all E175

Been waiting for AA to get rid of 50 seaters to NYC
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:18 pm

I notice AA has dropped a lot of JFK routes will IND eventually be cut?

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Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:04 pm

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I notice AA has dropped a lot of JFK routes will IND eventually be cut?

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Unlikely considering they are upgauging it to the E175 in January, crazier things have happened before
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:24 pm

In talks with 4 overseas airlines? I do understand that not all will come to fruition . What are your professional guesses? I figured CDG on Delta was enough! I would love a AMS but don’t think that will happen.
 
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In talks with 4 overseas airlines? I do understand that not all will come to fruition . What are your professional guesses? I figured CDG on Delta was enough! I would love a AMS but don’t think that will happen.


I think a LCC or a charter airline from Europe would do well in the summer travel season. Be like PIT, a full service year round carrier on BA and a summer seasonal flight on DE. That’s enough capacity to Europe for PIT.
 
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:45 pm

Who Condor?
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:17 am

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In talks with 4 overseas airlines? I do understand that not all will come to fruition . What are your professional guesses? I figured CDG on Delta was enough! I would love a AMS but don’t think that will happen.


Read again. 4 overseas ROUTES, not airlines..... We don't know who they're talking to or how many airlines they're talking to.

Indy can handle a second TATL flight in the long term.
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Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:06 am

I’m sorry, I meant that! Thank you for correcting me! I just would t want any new service to hurt the CDG service.
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:21 am

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In talks with 4 overseas airlines? I do understand that not all will come to fruition . What are your professional guesses? I figured CDG on Delta was enough! I would love a AMS but don’t think that will happen.


I believe it was 4 overseas routes, not 4 different airlines, but I could be wrong

IMO:

IND-LHR 3x weekly, maybe seasonal to start out with: I don't think it is hard to see why that would be part of the discussion considering most of the big employers in IND have major ops in the UK.

IND-FRA/DUB/AMS seasonally: Ties between IND and these destinations aren't as strong as London, however these airports could provide more connections or a low-cost option to Europe

IND-Asia 2-3x weekly, probably ICN or NRT/HND, while I admit it seems hard to see how either would happen within 1-2 years given the gov't approvals that need to happen.
-Given the bleed to ORD, I believe it's hard to determine the exact amount of demand to Asia from IND, especially considering the shuttle services offered. For example, I know Asiana offered free shuttles from Purdue to ORD for their flights, and there are a dozen shuttles a day just from West Lafayette to ORD. All of this won't show up in the IND PDEW to Asia
-Having an IND-Asia nonstop could probably attract a pretty large catchment area, maybe even as far as places like University of Illinois or Toyota's plant in Princeton, IN.
-If you factor in some of these variables, I believe the numbers for IND-Asia are larger than many might believe
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:14 am

Can any of you well-informed Indy contributors provide an update on the FedEx work at IND? I know they're building the new sorting bldg to the west of the current facility but is ALL of the apron work the new hard stands? How many when they are done? Why does it look like they're working on the "trans 70" taxiway on the North side of I-70?
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:14 pm

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Can any of you well-informed Indy contributors provide an update on the FedEx work at IND? I know they're building the new sorting bldg to the west of the current facility but is ALL of the apron work the new hard stands? How many when they are done? Why does it look like they're working on the "trans 70" taxiway on the North side of I-70?


A few things here:

-For the time being I believe the new apron is for new hard stands
-Not sure how many are done, IIRC the apron won't be complete until mid-late 2020 or 2021
-I-70 taxiway is still a little bit away, FX wants to expand into the midfield area first
-Work has not started on the "trans 70" taxiway, currently they are moving dirt from the north side of I-70 to the future 3rd runway, so that when it's time to start construction they'll have the dirt ready to flatten out the land
-A few stormwater runoff projects are also underway to accommodate the large increase in pavement, each of which takes some time

They are also building a flight ops building for the pilots since there will be a huge increase in flying, but I am not sure of the location:
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:23 pm

A little on the air service front from the September board meeting:
http://indianapolis.granicus.com/player ... view_id=72
Starting at the 30 minute mark:
-Almost 40 PDEW to MEX, however slot constraints are a limiting factor
-IND being a large pharma market, means belly cargo is becoming a larger discussion point in talks about international flights
-STL, BNA, PIT, and MEM are continuing to be discussed with a carrier (likely Contour)
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:17 pm

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-IND being a large pharma market, means belly cargo is becoming a larger discussion point in talks about international flights


I think belly cargo is precisely why the DL flight when to CDG and not AMS, so I wouldn't be surprised if this does in some ways dictate where we might see flights next.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:08 am

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 1015122824

May have mentioned this before, but sizable increases in costs for airlines next year at IND:
"Landing fees for Signatory Airlines increased from $1.71 to $2.09 per 1000 pounds of landing weight, and for Non-Signatory Airlines, the rate increased from $2.57 to $3.14."

"Annual terminal space rental rates per square foot of area increased from $77.95 to $90.37 for Signatory Airlines, and from $116.93 to $135.56 for Non-Signatory Airlines"

"Joint Use Space Fee was increased from $5.89 to $6.54 per enplaned passenger"

"Common Use Gate Fees (per flight) were increased as follows:
For Signatory Airlines:
Up to 3 hours -- increased from $118.00 to $146.32
More than 3 hours, less than 9 hours -- increased from $177.00 to $219.48
9 or more hours, less than 18 hours -- increased from $354.00 to $438.96
18-24 hours -- increased from $708.00 to $877.92

For Non-Signatory Airlines:
Up to 3 hours -- increased from $177.00 to $220.00
More than 3 hours, less than 9 hours -- increased from $266.00 to $330.00
9 or more hours, less than 18 hours -- increased from $531.00 to $659.00
18-24 hours -- increased from $1062.00 to $1317.00
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:45 am

What the increase? I thought they were trying to go lower. Help me understand.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:41 am

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What the increase? I thought they were trying to go lower. Help me understand.


Increased in Capital Projects means they need more revenue
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Copy.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:59 pm

How “overpriced“ is IND compared with SDF and CVG ?
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:30 pm

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How “overpriced“ is IND compared with SDF and CVG ?


Average airfare Q2 2019
SDF-$387.14
IND-$363.29
CVG-$346.44

Average airfare Q1 2019
SDF-$380.26
IND-$363.94
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:11 pm

I meant how much more does IND charge the airlines for landing fees and restaurants for terminal rent...vs SDF and CVG
It seems IND will loose fights if they can’t keep their spending under control ..
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:37 pm

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I meant how much more does IND charge the airlines for landing fees and restaurants for terminal rent...vs SDF and CVG
It seems IND will loose fights if they can’t keep their spending under control ..


I am a little confused. Restaurants pay for their rent, not the airlines?
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:21 pm

Yes IND is high cost airport compared to SDF and CVG it’s just sad they are jacking up the rates ...that will mean less flights in the future ... hope IND can spend less and keep rates under control ...even McDonalds had to stop selling the $1 Cokes because The airport “jacked up our rent “
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:16 am

So if this is “capital improvements” how does other airports handle investing in their airport but not letting costs for airlines, airport businesses; and the like get out of control? What all is IND doing besides FEDEX to jack the cost up?
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:03 am

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Yes IND is high cost airport compared to SDF and CVG it’s just sad they are jacking up the rates ...that will mean less flights in the future ... hope IND can spend less and keep rates under control ...even McDonalds had to stop selling the $1 Cokes because The airport “jacked up our rent “


Do you have anything to back up this claim? For instance the cost of rent for retail space at IND vs CVG and SDF? I am still very confused as to how what McDonalds charges for a coke would have any effect on how many flights IND has.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:23 pm

My question below was how much more are the landing fees and passenger charges at IND vs SDF and CVG .

IF IND can not control their spending and keeps increasing the landing fees an airline like JetBlue may decide not to serve the airport.

If a expert operation like McDonalds can’t offer a $1 coke and has to “charge accordingly” or leave IND it’s the same for the airlines .

For example CMH has a $5 long term lot. And IND has vacant of parking lots near the old airport .. bringing in zero revenue. IND needs to try to lower fees and their cash burn.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:41 pm

Schedule updates:
Starting in June IND-DTW is increasing to 4x daily mainline, bringing DL at IND to 24 mainline departures daily

Starting in April UA IND-ORD will be 10x daily through the end of the schedule, which is greater than or equal to any route to ORD except SFO.

COSPN wrote:
My question below was how much more are the landing fees and passenger charges at IND vs SDF and CVG .

IF IND can not control their spending and keeps increasing the landing fees an airline like JetBlue may decide not to serve the airport.

If a expert operation like McDonalds can’t offer a $1 coke and has to “charge accordingly” or leave IND it’s the same for the airlines .

For example CMH has a $5 long term lot. And IND has vacant of parking lots near the old airport .. bringing in zero revenue. IND needs to try to lower fees and their cash burn.


I see this as investment to lower airline costs in the future:
-Expanded Rental Car Facility and additional garage capacity means more revenue for the airport in the long-term, and will allow them to decrease fees for the airlines
-Expanded FedEx presence will also lead to additional revenues for the airport long-term, further allowing them to decrease fees for the airlines long-term
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:43 pm

I'm planning to be on the inaugural CRJ550 on IND-ORD for my weekly IND-ORD leg, I'm hoping for something interesting.
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:35 am

B763ER (High-J configuration) is making an appearance tomorrow on IND-CDG

Routes Americas is coming along, here is a list of the airlines who have already registered:
https://www.routesonline.com/events/208 ... tendeeList
Aeromar
AeroMexico
American
Avianca
Delta
Flycana
JetBlue
JetSMART
Level
Sky Airline
Southwest
Spirit
Swoop
Tar Mexico
Tropic Air
Vivaaerobus
Volaris
WestJet

IND should definitely be targeting WestJet, JetBlue, and AeroMexico while they are in the city
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:58 am

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B763ER (High-J configuration) is making an appearance tomorrow on IND-CDG

Routes Americas is coming along, here is a list of the airlines who have already registered:
https://www.routesonline.com/events/208 ... tendeeList
Aeromar
AeroMexico
American
Avianca
Delta
Flycana
JetBlue
JetSMART
Level
Sky Airline
Southwest
Spirit
Swoop
Tar Mexico
Tropic Air
Vivaaerobus
Volaris
WestJet

IND should definitely be targeting WestJet, JetBlue, and AeroMexico while they are in the city


Volaris too.
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:21 pm

Yes, please. More service to Cancun is needed.
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:41 pm

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Yes, please. More service to Cancun is needed.


Haha, CUN is serviced quite well now thanks to F9

However, the Caribbean outside of CUN has no service from IND, and if you look at the largest unserved routes to the Caribbean from the East Coast, IND features prominently:
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Then again I don't know who would operate any of these flights
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:22 pm

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However, the Caribbean outside of CUN has no service from IND, and if you look at the largest unserved routes to the Caribbean from the East Coast, IND features prominently:
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Then again I don't know who would operate any of these flights


I think that chart needs a huge asterisk as it appears it does not include the scheduled vacation operators such as Apple Vacations. I won't speak for the other markets but here in PIT I can tell you that Apple Vacations has served PIT-PUJ at least 1x weekly year round for a long time. PIT-MBJ is also served but on a more limited basis. PIT-SJU otoh is not listed at all presumably because it was listed as a scheduled route by G4. But it never operated in 2019 due to the hurricane.

Interesting chart nonetheless, is it from a paid OAG subscription?
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:35 pm

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However, the Caribbean outside of CUN has no service from IND, and if you look at the largest unserved routes to the Caribbean from the East Coast, IND features prominently:
Image

Then again I don't know who would operate any of these flights


I think that chart needs a huge asterisk as it appears it does not include the scheduled vacation operators such as Apple Vacations. I won't speak for the other markets but here in PIT I can tell you that Apple Vacations has served PIT-PUJ at least 1x weekly year round for a long time. PIT-MBJ is also served but on a more limited basis. PIT-SJU otoh is not listed at all presumably because it was listed as a scheduled route by G4. But it never operated in 2019 due to the hurricane.

Interesting chart nonetheless, is it from a paid OAG subscription?


My bad, here is the link: https://www.anna.aero/2019/10/11/top-20 ... caribbean/
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:08 pm

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Ok thanks.
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:19 am

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However, the Caribbean outside of CUN has no service from IND, and if you look at the largest unserved routes to the Caribbean from the East Coast, IND features prominently:
Image

Then again I don't know who would operate any of these flights


Seems like IND-SJU would be a good route for United or even Jetblue considering that would provide 1 stop connection to multiple Caribbean islands via the Cape Air codeshare. The route is within range for an ERJ-175 or 190 so you'd not have to put mainline on it to make it work.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:10 pm

Allegiant is the only Airline I think would add SJU. It will be interesting when G4 adds International what destinations they add besides CUN.

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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:02 pm

kindeham wrote:
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Seems like IND-SJU would be a good route for United or even Jetblue considering that would provide 1 stop connection to multiple Caribbean islands via the Cape Air codeshare. The route is within range for an ERJ-175 or 190 so you'd not have to put mainline on it to make it work.


UA more than likely won't add IND-SJU, they won't even run consistent mainline service out of IND to anywhere except SFO

DL used to run IND-NAS, so if any legacy were to add to the Caribbean outside of CUN it would probably be DL

ibthebigd wrote:
Allegiant is the only Airline I think would add SJU. It will be interesting when G4 adds International what destinations they add besides CUN.

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I could see G4 adding PUJ, SJU, and maybe a MBJ
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:35 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
UA more than likely won't add IND-SJU, they won't even run consistent mainline service out of IND to anywhere except SFO

DL used to run IND-NAS, so if any legacy were to add to the Caribbean outside of CUN it would probably be DL



Well good point, I was thinking more from a "what would work best" vs a what might actually happen standpoint. I am thinking if Delta had a codeshair with Cape Air they'd already be flying to SJU. Without connecting traffic still seems like it could work since a nonstop would stimulate demand and you could get some connecting traffic in IND.

I *think* ATA had SJU at one point - I know they had it with 1 stop in Orlando for a long time, but I can't remember if it was ever nonstop.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:19 pm

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I'm planning to be on the inaugural CRJ550 on IND-ORD for my weekly IND-ORD leg, I'm hoping for something interesting.


Welp, CRJ550 got subbed out for a CR7 an hour or two before the flight. Too bad....every time I give UA a chance they disappoint

On the good news front, DL updated IND-RDU for Jan/Feb to add the CR9 in

kindeham wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
UA more than likely won't add IND-SJU, they won't even run consistent mainline service out of IND to anywhere except SFO

DL used to run IND-NAS, so if any legacy were to add to the Caribbean outside of CUN it would probably be DL



Well good point, I was thinking more from a "what would work best" vs a what might actually happen standpoint. I am thinking if Delta had a codeshair with Cape Air they'd already be flying to SJU. Without connecting traffic still seems like it could work since a nonstop would stimulate demand and you could get some connecting traffic in IND.

I *think* ATA had SJU at one point - I know they had it with 1 stop in Orlando for a long time, but I can't remember if it was ever nonstop.


Yeah ATA did run it direct, don't recall nonstop though. Nevertheless there is a good case for someone to try IND-Carribean, other than a charter carrier
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:13 am

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