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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:48 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

The first 321NEO target delivery has moved from spring '20 to NOV '20. Delays due to cabin interiors/3rd party vendors.


Given that this anticipated six month delay happens, will we see any revisions to the MD88/90 retirement schedule?


Yes, 7 MD88s/90s that had previously been scheduled to be parked will fly through summer 2020.


Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this is unlikely to affect the final retirement date. E.g. Dec instead of Sept. or Q1 ‘21 instead of Q4 ‘20. Just seven more aircraft will be flying towards the end.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:20 am

NateGreat wrote:
n515cr wrote:
3094 showing a revenue flight on Weds, expect induction exit soon: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n394dx
1810 showing a ferry to CAN for suite mods: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n834mh

Any idea when N831MH should be exiting mods?


30 days or so per ship.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:31 am

777Mech wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
n515cr wrote:
3094 showing a revenue flight on Weds, expect induction exit soon: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n394dx
1810 showing a ferry to CAN for suite mods: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n834mh

Any idea when N831MH should be exiting mods?


30 days or so per ship.

So, you’re saying early October for 831 and early-mid October for 834?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:14 pm

DeltaMD95 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:

Given that this anticipated six month delay happens, will we see any revisions to the MD88/90 retirement schedule?


Yes, 7 MD88s/90s that had previously been scheduled to be parked will fly through summer 2020.


Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this is unlikely to affect the final retirement date. E.g. Dec instead of Sept. or Q1 ‘21 instead of Q4 ‘20. Just seven more aircraft will be flying towards the end.


Correct.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:12 am

3094 exited induction as expected: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n394dx
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:32 pm

8122 showing induction exit tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n122du
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:59 pm

3096 showing delivery flight tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n396dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:14 pm

9230 ferried to BHM on Sep 8 for temp storage: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n930dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:33 am

After the busy summer schedule, the next 77L, N701DN, is heading to SIN for mods:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n701dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:39 am

As somewhat expected, the parking of MD-88 & MD-90s since the end of the peak summer schedule sure has been a bit aggressive.

Shows how many extra frames and spares they were keeping around to run their peak summer schedule.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:14 am

wrong thread
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:50 pm

I saw this earlier today and thought it was pretty cool! The oldest and newest aircraft types in the Delta fleet parked side by side.

https://flightaware.com/photos/view/708 ... ate/page/1
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:35 pm

777Mech wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Anyone know what happened to N334NW (A320)? It's been sitting in MSP for almost two weeks.


I don't know, but I'm confident DL will have a few A320 retirements within the next 12 months. I wonder if this frame has hit a heavy check.


None scheduled. They are going through a service life extension as we speak.

3234 is undergoing a check currently.


My first thought was that DL's A320s had already received extensions. But are the life extensions being done "as we speak" actually being applied on the newer A320s? It would seem logical that the more elderly DL A320s (the oldest current bird a 1990 build, the youngest a 2003 copy) needed to be the first batch to get the extensions earlier this decade, but clarifications from the experts most welcomed. Also, will the A319s (all late 1990s to early 2000s) be next if not already started?

As several posters have previously mentioned in other threads, the original life limits for older A320-200s were 48,000 FC and 60,000 FH before the life extension came along earlier this decade. This extension can boost the limits to 60,000 cycles / 120,000 hours. New A320 series planes now leaving the factory are already built to 60,000 FC / 120,000 FH.

While time may tell if there someday could be an life extension for birds like DL's much newer A321s, is it likely that 60,000 cycles / 120,000 hours will remain the limits for older DL A320 series planes?

BTW, I'm a long time lurker but now finding a little extra time (my child off to college) thus making my first Airliners post.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:05 pm

 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:57 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Anyone know what happened to N334NW (A320)? It's been sitting in MSP for almost two weeks.


I don't know, but I'm confident DL will have a few A320 retirements within the next 12 months. I wonder if this frame has hit a heavy check.


For perhaps the last several months, Wikipedia has had Delta resuming A320 retirements in 2021 (and 757-200 retirements in 2020). True, one needs to take Wiki with a grain of salt...if not a salt block. Furthermore, neither the A320 nor the 752 retirement statements on Delta's Wiki page are supported by any references. Otherwise, the general consensus seems to be that DL has no A320s scheduled for retirement. That said, things of course can quickly change. Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors? Too many cycles? Some of the planes suddenly not having their leases renewed?

One question is how fast or slow the oldest DL A320s reach or at least approach the "cycle out" point of 60,000 FC. Lufthansa recently retired their oldest A320 (a 1989 build) which had just shy of 57,000 cycles; it reportedly would not have been cost effective to do another heavy check only to fly it a short time until it ran out of cycles. LH will retire several more A320s by the end of this year. Lufthansa had originally wanted to start retiring their oldest A320s sooner, but kept them a little longer due to A320NEO delivery delays.

N309US, a 1990 bird, is the oldest surviving Delta A320. IIRC, it is (or was) still south of 50,000 cycles. However, N309US and a couple of other NW/DL A320s spent part of the last recession in desert storage thus obviously preserving hours/cycles.

I have not gone to the effort to find other more vintage DL A320s still in service that continued flying during the recession, so does anybody know the current highest cycle DL A320s?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:30 am

Don’t believe whatever has been posted on Wikipedia about fleet type retirements. It’s just not verified and there are people in here more in the know.

AFAIK none of the A320s retired in 2016/2017 had the new interiors. They were a small sub-subfleet with a smaller engine rating that wasn’t common with the rest of the fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:41 am

n515cr wrote:


First thank you for your dedication to listing all the narrowbody and widebody refurbs.

Huge favor If you get a chance can you list the ETOPS certified 739ER's, and once the A321neo ETOPS certified AC are up and running will DL remove the ETOPS cert from the current 739 AC.

737-900ER- I have 21 AC that are ETOPS
ETOPS
180 seats
2016- 5
2017-16

737-900ER 109 AC
180 seats
2013- 12
2014- 19
2015- 19
2016- 14
2017- 4
2018- 23
2019- 18
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:54 am

tnair1974 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Anyone know what happened to N334NW (A320)? It's been sitting in MSP for almost two weeks.


I don't know, but I'm confident DL will have a few A320 retirements within the next 12 months. I wonder if this frame has hit a heavy check.


For perhaps the last several months, Wikipedia has had Delta resuming A320 retirements in 2021 (and 757-200 retirements in 2020). True, one needs to take Wiki with a grain of salt...if not a salt block. Furthermore, neither the A320 nor the 752 retirement statements on Delta's Wiki page are supported by any references. Otherwise, the general consensus seems to be that DL has no A320s scheduled for retirement. That said, things of course can quickly change. Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors? Too many cycles? Some of the planes suddenly not having their leases renewed?

One question is how fast or slow the oldest DL A320s reach or at least approach the "cycle out" point of 60,000 FC. Lufthansa recently retired their oldest A320 (a 1989 build) which had just shy of 57,000 cycles; it reportedly would not have been cost effective to do another heavy check only to fly it a short time until it ran out of cycles. LH will retire several more A320s by the end of this year. Lufthansa had originally wanted to start retiring their oldest A320s sooner, but kept them a little longer due to A320NEO delivery delays.

N309US, a 1990 bird, is the oldest surviving Delta A320. IIRC, it is (or was) still south of 50,000 cycles. However, N309US and a couple of other NW/DL A320s spent part of the last recession in desert storage thus obviously preserving hours/cycles.

I have not gone to the effort to find other more vintage DL A320s still in service that continued flying during the recession, so does anybody know the current highest cycle DL A320s?

309 is looking to just hit 40,000 cycles soon, with hours approaching 90,000. Broadly in line with the rest of the early birds. These may be like the Air Canada fleet that end up running out of hours before cycles.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:22 am

tnair1974 wrote:
Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. [i]Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors?


None of the A320s retired had the new interiors. Back when the decision was taken, DL needed to adjust capacity a bit, so they decided to retire the seven oldest A320s that hadn't yet received the new interiors. Likely the reason A320s were chosen was because by retiring these birds, DL would save the most money as they wouldn't need to invest in new cabins for them anymore.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am

Scorpio wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. [i]Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors?


None of the A320s retired had the new interiors. Back when the decision was taken, DL needed to adjust capacity a bit, so they decided to retire the seven oldest A320s that hadn't yet received the new interiors. Likely the reason A320s were chosen was because by retiring these birds, DL would save the most money as they wouldn't need to invest in new cabins for them anymore.


Current A320 fleet
157 seats
1990- 2
1991- 9
1992-18
1993- 5
1997- 1
1998-12
1999- 7
2001- 4
2002- 2
2003- 2

The retired AC were
A320-200
150 seats
1990- 3
1991 - 4

Sources
http://registry.ffa.gov

Planespotters website
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:05 am

tnair1974 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Anyone know what happened to N334NW (A320)? It's been sitting in MSP for almost two weeks.


I don't know, but I'm confident DL will have a few A320 retirements within the next 12 months. I wonder if this frame has hit a heavy check.


For perhaps the last several months, Wikipedia has had Delta resuming A320 retirements in 2021 (and 757-200 retirements in 2020). True, one needs to take Wiki with a grain of salt...if not a salt block. Furthermore, neither the A320 nor the 752 retirement statements on Delta's Wiki page are supported by any references. Otherwise, the general consensus seems to be that DL has no A320s scheduled for retirement. That said, things of course can quickly change. Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors? Too many cycles? Some of the planes suddenly not having their leases renewed?

One question is how fast or slow the oldest DL A320s reach or at least approach the "cycle out" point of 60,000 FC. Lufthansa recently retired their oldest A320 (a 1989 build) which had just shy of 57,000 cycles; it reportedly would not have been cost effective to do another heavy check only to fly it a short time until it ran out of cycles. LH will retire several more A320s by the end of this year. Lufthansa had originally wanted to start retiring their oldest A320s sooner, but kept them a little longer due to A320NEO delivery delays.

N309US, a 1990 bird, is the oldest surviving Delta A320. IIRC, it is (or was) still south of 50,000 cycles. However, N309US and a couple of other NW/DL A320s spent part of the last recession in desert storage thus obviously preserving hours/cycles.

I have not gone to the effort to find other more vintage DL A320s still in service that continued flying during the recession, so does anybody know the current highest cycle DL A320s?


I guess you are aware that Wikipedia is sometimes a doubtful source. Do you have a second source to back that up? Otherwise I would take that with a grain of salt. Anyway sooner or later retiremtns are going to start.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:33 pm

8123 showing a delivery flight today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n123dq

Oliver2020 wrote:
n515cr wrote:


First thank you for your dedication to listing all the narrowbody and widebody refurbs.

Huge favor If you get a chance can you list the ETOPS certified 739ER's, and once the A321neo ETOPS certified AC are up and running will DL remove the ETOPS cert from the current 739 AC.

737-900ER- I have 21 AC that are ETOPS
ETOPS
180 seats
2016- 5
2017-16

737-900ER 109 AC
180 seats
2013- 12
2014- 19
2015- 19
2016- 14
2017- 4
2018- 23
2019- 18


I'll need some help as I've only got some fairly dated info...I have 3876-3895 (20) as having ETOPS. Based on a cursory check of a few on either end of that range (e.g. searched recent pictures), those seem to be accurate, but obviously we've got a mismatch.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:50 pm

SQ22 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't know, but I'm confident DL will have a few A320 retirements within the next 12 months. I wonder if this frame has hit a heavy check.


For perhaps the last several months, Wikipedia has had Delta resuming A320 retirements in 2021 (and 757-200 retirements in 2020). True, one needs to take Wiki with a grain of salt...if not a salt block. Furthermore, neither the A320 nor the 752 retirement statements on Delta's Wiki page are supported by any references. Otherwise, the general consensus seems to be that DL has no A320s scheduled for retirement. That said, things of course can quickly change. Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors? Too many cycles? Some of the planes suddenly not having their leases renewed?

One question is how fast or slow the oldest DL A320s reach or at least approach the "cycle out" point of 60,000 FC. Lufthansa recently retired their oldest A320 (a 1989 build) which had just shy of 57,000 cycles; it reportedly would not have been cost effective to do another heavy check only to fly it a short time until it ran out of cycles. LH will retire several more A320s by the end of this year. Lufthansa had originally wanted to start retiring their oldest A320s sooner, but kept them a little longer due to A320NEO delivery delays.

N309US, a 1990 bird, is the oldest surviving Delta A320. IIRC, it is (or was) still south of 50,000 cycles. However, N309US and a couple of other NW/DL A320s spent part of the last recession in desert storage thus obviously preserving hours/cycles.

I have not gone to the effort to find other more vintage DL A320s still in service that continued flying during the recession, so does anybody know the current highest cycle DL A320s?


I guess you are aware that Wikipedia is sometimes a doubtful source. Do you have a second source to back that up? Otherwise I would take that with a grain of salt. Anyway sooner or later retiremtns are going to start.


I was hoping a more knowledgeable person here could verify or refute. However, it's now rather moot as the A320 and 752 retirement statements on Delta's Wiki page are gone! A little surprising they were up as long as they were.

It may be one thing if a Wiki statement has supporting sources/references. But the Delta retirement statements lacked any references. Heck, even provided sources on Wiki are sometimes of little help.

BTW, a remark about DL 763ER retirement remains on Delta's Wiki page, although it earlier stated "discontinued" instead of phased out or retired (and still no supporting source even though IIRC the DL Widebody thread has mentioned a couple 763ERs will be phased out by the end of this year).
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:22 pm

I won't stand up for Wikipedia where it doesn't reference a source - in this instance nor others - but sometimes the public statement comes after the evidence is overwhelming. DL had already parked 25 MD-90s over a 2-yr period when Jacobson said something to the effect of 'um, yeh, we're looking at retiring the entire MD-90 fleet.' It took another three months before they gave a target date.

Jacobson's comments are the first public acknowledgement of plans to remove the MD-90 from Delta's fleet, despite a 25-aircraft drawdown over the past two years. The airline removed one aircraft in 2017, and then another 12 without fanfare in the second quarter of 2018.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -m-457377/

Calendar age isn't cycles, nor is it flight hours, but do you think DL is going to be flying 32-34 year-old A320s or 757-200s (other than the charter fleet)? I don't - and that means there will be retirements within the next three-four years, whether or not they've been announced to date.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:24 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
AFAIK none of the A320s retired in 2016/2017 had the new interiors. They were a small sub-subfleet with a smaller engine rating that wasn’t common with the rest of the fleet.




Thanks PSU.DTW.SCE (and Scorpio and Oliver2020). NW retired eight(?) A320s about a decade ago during bankruptcy but before the merger; I think these birds also had the lower rated engines. How many small motor A320s are left with DL?

Some postings (which could still be inaccurate or outdated) indicated a few A320s got P1 interiors and then were retired without getting P2 mods. One such post along these lines was only a few days ago....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431029#p21649263

Also from about two years ago...

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28098968-post615.html

I know very little about the two posters in the above links so I can't vouch how knowledgeable (or not) they are.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:48 pm

Spacepope wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't know, but I'm confident DL will have a few A320 retirements within the next 12 months. I wonder if this frame has hit a heavy check.


For perhaps the last several months, Wikipedia has had Delta resuming A320 retirements in 2021 (and 757-200 retirements in 2020). True, one needs to take Wiki with a grain of salt...if not a salt block. Furthermore, neither the A320 nor the 752 retirement statements on Delta's Wiki page are supported by any references. Otherwise, the general consensus seems to be that DL has no A320s scheduled for retirement. That said, things of course can quickly change. Of the seven DL A320s retired to the scrappers in 2017, at least some of them had just received brand new cabins when they were rather suddenly phased out. Anybody know why these seven were retired, especially those that had the new interiors? Too many cycles? Some of the planes suddenly not having their leases renewed?

One question is how fast or slow the oldest DL A320s reach or at least approach the "cycle out" point of 60,000 FC. Lufthansa recently retired their oldest A320 (a 1989 build) which had just shy of 57,000 cycles; it reportedly would not have been cost effective to do another heavy check only to fly it a short time until it ran out of cycles. LH will retire several more A320s by the end of this year. Lufthansa had originally wanted to start retiring their oldest A320s sooner, but kept them a little longer due to A320NEO delivery delays.

N309US, a 1990 bird, is the oldest surviving Delta A320. IIRC, it is (or was) still south of 50,000 cycles. However, N309US and a couple of other NW/DL A320s spent part of the last recession in desert storage thus obviously preserving hours/cycles.

I have not gone to the effort to find other more vintage DL A320s still in service that continued flying during the recession, so does anybody know the current highest cycle DL A320s?

309 is looking to just hit 40,000 cycles soon, with hours approaching 90,000. Broadly in line with the rest of the early birds. These may be like the Air Canada fleet that end up running out of hours before cycles.


Appreciate the correction. Considering that N309US was inactive/stored for much of the last recession, it will be interesting to see how many hours/cycles more active DL A320s have accumulated.

Until a few years ago, Delta was sending their A320s on many longer routes including PHL/EWR/BOS-SLC. I understand NW tended to use A320s more on longer flights than short ones. But now it seems that DL A321s and (to my dismay from a passenger perspective) 738s/739s are taking over longer flights while A320s are stepping in for shorter haul trips as MD-88s/90s draw down. I suppose time will tell if this will rack up the A320s cycles more than hours.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:45 am

3209-3233 and 3277-3278 are still -5A1 engines. The remainder of the 320 fleet is -5A3.

tnair1974 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
AFAIK none of the A320s retired in 2016/2017 had the new interiors. They were a small sub-subfleet with a smaller engine rating that wasn’t common with the rest of the fleet.




Thanks PSU.DTW.SCE (and Scorpio and Oliver2020). NW retired eight(?) A320s about a decade ago during bankruptcy but before the merger; I think these birds also had the lower rated engines. How many small motor A320s are left with DL?

Some postings (which could still be inaccurate or outdated) indicated a few A320s got P1 interiors and then were retired without getting P2 mods. One such post along these lines was only a few days ago....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431029#p21649263

Also from about two years ago...

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28098968-post615.html

I know very little about the two posters in the above links so I can't vouch how knowledgeable (or not) they are.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:55 pm

n515cr wrote:
8123 showing a delivery flight today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n123dq


Yesterday's flight cancelled, but she is in the air now. Halfway through the A220-100 order.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:00 pm

A handful of the early-build A320s were with unfavorable terms/payments were lease-rejected during the NW bankruptcy / Ch. 11 restructuring. The owners of those aircraft made the decision to part-out and scrap those older, early build frames instead of attempting to re-lease 18-20 year old frames that were due for heavy maintenance. NW also sold-off about 10 A319s during this time as well.

The more recent A320 retirements were made in 2017 and those aircraft never got any of the new seats, bins, fittings. They didn't get P1 or P2 upgrades. Other than the seat recovering and new carpet they got post-merger, they still had the original fittings from NW.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:55 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The more recent A320 retirements were made in 2017 and those aircraft never got any of the new seats, bins, fittings. They didn't get P1 or P2 upgrades. Other than the seat recovering and new carpet they got post-merger, they still had the original fittings from NW.


And boy were they ratty towards the end. I was commuting SLC-DFW almost weekly in 2017 where this fleet seemed to be dedicated to flying that route. I'd laugh at the huge hole in the seat back of 10E and the almost completely torn of magazine holder on 10D on N316US. The poor old lady was tired and wanted to go to the desert. My last flight on N316US was DFW-SLC I think on May 17th and that plane was retired just days later.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:41 am

n515cr wrote:
8123 showing a delivery flight today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n123dq

Oliver2020 wrote:
n515cr wrote:


First thank you for your dedication to listing all the narrowbody and widebody refurbs.

Huge favor If you get a chance can you list the ETOPS certified 739ER's, and once the A321neo ETOPS certified AC are up and running will DL remove the ETOPS cert from the current 739 AC.

737-900ER- I have 21 AC that are ETOPS
ETOPS
180 seats
2016- 5
2017-16

737-900ER 109 AC
180 seats
2013- 12
2014- 19
2015- 19
2016- 14
2017- 4
2018- 23
2019- 18


I'll need some help as I've only got some fairly dated info...I have 3876-3895 (20) as having ETOPS. Based on a cursory check of a few on either end of that range (e.g. searched recent pictures), those seem to be accurate, but obviously we've got a mismatch.


You're correct on ships that have ETOPS. 3876-3895 are the 73E fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:32 am

Northwest1988 wrote:
I saw this earlier today and thought it was pretty cool! The oldest and newest aircraft types in the Delta fleet parked side by side.

https://flightaware.com/photos/view/708 ... ate/page/1


Cool for sure. But they have mislabeled the brand-spankin-new A330-900 as an A330-300.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:58 am

777Mech wrote:
n515cr wrote:
8123 showing a delivery flight today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n123dq

Oliver2020 wrote:

First thank you for your dedication to listing all the narrowbody and widebody refurbs.

Huge favor If you get a chance can you list the ETOPS certified 739ER's, and once the A321neo ETOPS certified AC are up and running will DL remove the ETOPS cert from the current 739 AC.

737-900ER- I have 21 AC that are ETOPS
ETOPS
180 seats
2016- 5
2017-16

737-900ER 109 AC
180 seats
2013- 12
2014- 19
2015- 19
2016- 14
2017- 4
2018- 23
2019- 18


I'll need some help as I've only got some fairly dated info...I have 3876-3895 (20) as having ETOPS. Based on a cursory check of a few on either end of that range (e.g. searched recent pictures), those seem to be accurate, but obviously we've got a mismatch.


You're correct on ships that have ETOPS. 3876-3895 are the 73E fleet.


Thank you guys for the information/confirmation.

739ER (20 AC)
ETOPS
2017 - 14
2018 - 6

739ER non ETOPS (110 AC)
2013 - 12
2014 - 19
2015 - 19
2016 - 19
2017 - 6
2018 - 17
2019 - 18
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:29 pm

777Mech wrote:
You're correct on ships that have ETOPS. 3876-3895 are the 73E fleet.


Thanks for confirming.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:54 pm

n515cr wrote:
777Mech wrote:
You're correct on ships that have ETOPS. 3876-3895 are the 73E fleet.


Thanks for confirming.


Do you know how many A321neos will be ETOPS certified?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:01 pm

Oliver2020 wrote:
n515cr wrote:
777Mech wrote:
You're correct on ships that have ETOPS. 3876-3895 are the 73E fleet.


Thanks for confirming.


Do you know how many A321neos will be ETOPS certified?


Tentatively 25, but that's subject to change. First delivery is still over a year away.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:26 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

The more recent A320 retirements were made in 2017 and those aircraft never got any of the new seats, bins, fittings. They didn't get P1 or P2 upgrades. Other than the seat recovering and new carpet they got post-merger, they still had the original fittings from NW.


Thanks! I originally understood that all seven A320s retired two years ago had NW interiors. Looks like I and several others saw the (inaccurate or obsolete) posts and were led astray.

I get somewhat of an impression (right or wrong) that there was some flux on exactly how many A320s were going to be retired in 2017 before settling on seven. If so, just maybe some P1 birds were briefly considered for phase out? Anyway, all P1 planes stayed, were upgraded to P2 and remain in service.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:39 pm

fanoftristars wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The more recent A320 retirements were made in 2017 and those aircraft never got any of the new seats, bins, fittings. They didn't get P1 or P2 upgrades. Other than the seat recovering and new carpet they got post-merger, they still had the original fittings from NW.


And boy were they ratty towards the end. I was commuting SLC-DFW almost weekly in 2017 where this fleet seemed to be dedicated to flying that route. I'd laugh at the huge hole in the seat back of 10E and the almost completely torn of magazine holder on 10D on N316US. The poor old lady was tired and wanted to go to the desert. My last flight on N316US was DFW-SLC I think on May 17th and that plane was retired just days later.


Interesting side note is that N309US, the oldest surviving DL A320, is actually older than several of the A320s retired in 2017 including N316US.

Perhaps the slightly newer birds had significantly more hours/cycles?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:33 am

tnair1974 wrote:
fanoftristars wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The more recent A320 retirements were made in 2017 and those aircraft never got any of the new seats, bins, fittings. They didn't get P1 or P2 upgrades. Other than the seat recovering and new carpet they got post-merger, they still had the original fittings from NW.


And boy were they ratty towards the end. I was commuting SLC-DFW almost weekly in 2017 where this fleet seemed to be dedicated to flying that route. I'd laugh at the huge hole in the seat back of 10E and the almost completely torn of magazine holder on 10D on N316US. The poor old lady was tired and wanted to go to the desert. My last flight on N316US was DFW-SLC I think on May 17th and that plane was retired just days later.


Interesting side note is that N309US, the oldest surviving DL A320, is actually older than several of the A320s retired in 2017 including N316US.

Perhaps the slightly newer birds had significantly more hours/cycles?


I’m sure that’s the case. At any rate it’s funny to board an A320 and hear someone around you comment on getting to fly a brand new plane. Lol I’ve heard it more than a few times.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:33 am

tnair1974 wrote:
Perhaps the slightly newer birds had significantly more hours/cycles?

They didn't. The decision to retire seven A320s was taken at a moment when Delta was already installing the new cabins in the A320s. They simply retired the seven oldest A320s that hadn't received the new cabins yet. N309US had already gone through the mods at that point, so it wasn't retired. The decision had nothing to do with hours / cycles. N316US for example was retired with about 36k cycles and almost 80k hours on the clock. For comparison's sake, N309US is currently closing in on 40k cycles and is at about 87k hours.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:16 pm

They made a decision to keep and modify additional 757s and retire the handful of older, unmodded A320s instead.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:48 pm

3078 showing delivery flights on Sep 21: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n378dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:00 pm

Scorpio wrote:
They didn't. The decision to retire seven A320s was taken at a moment when Delta was already installing the new cabins in the A320s. They simply retired the seven oldest A320s that hadn't received the new cabins yet. N309US had already gone through the mods at that point, so it wasn't retired. The decision had nothing to do with hours / cycles. N316US for example was retired with about 36k cycles and almost 80k hours on the clock. For comparison's sake, N309US is currently closing in on 40k cycles and is at about 87k hours.


PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
They made a decision to keep and modify additional 757s and retire the handful of older, unmodded A320s instead.


Would anyone know (perhaps 777mech) know how these seven were retired? In other words, are they in a state of retirement where they could be brought back from the desert (of course DL would put them through the life extension process and the P1/P2 mods). Or were they scrapped?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:15 pm

4 MD88s that we're planned for retirement will fly through the winter for dedicated NCAA charter ops, then they'll retire. Same story-line planned for the following year.

Also, starting next season, 4 767s planned for retirement will be reconfigured for the NFL on a 5-year deal.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:06 pm

akelley728 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
They didn't. The decision to retire seven A320s was taken at a moment when Delta was already installing the new cabins in the A320s. They simply retired the seven oldest A320s that hadn't received the new cabins yet. N309US had already gone through the mods at that point, so it wasn't retired. The decision had nothing to do with hours / cycles. N316US for example was retired with about 36k cycles and almost 80k hours on the clock. For comparison's sake, N309US is currently closing in on 40k cycles and is at about 87k hours.


PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
They made a decision to keep and modify additional 757s and retire the handful of older, unmodded A320s instead.


Would anyone know (perhaps 777mech) know how these seven were retired? In other words, are they in a state of retirement where they could be brought back from the desert (of course DL would put them through the life extension process and the P1/P2 mods). Or were they scrapped?


Per Planespotters.net, 2 were broken up (N311US and N316US). The other 5 are still 'stored' at SBD.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:23 pm

fanoftristars wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The more recent A320 retirements were made in 2017 and those aircraft never got any of the new seats, bins, fittings. They didn't get P1 or P2 upgrades. Other than the seat recovering and new carpet they got post-merger, they still had the original fittings from NW.


And boy were they ratty towards the end. I was commuting SLC-DFW almost weekly in 2017 where this fleet seemed to be dedicated to flying that route. I'd laugh at the huge hole in the seat back of 10E and the almost completely torn of magazine holder on 10D on N316US. The poor old lady was tired and wanted to go to the desert. My last flight on N316US was DFW-SLC I think on May 17th and that plane was retired just days later.


Oddly enough, some of the older ex-NW A320s got gutted and refurbished and still flying at DL. N309US for instance is 29 years old haha.

I'll never forget flying F on DEN-LGA in late 2016 and the DL A320 was falling apart (literally.) The tray table barely worked and there were a ton of pen marks on the seat back cover. With the turbulence we rattled our way all the way to NYC. I swear DL must have put some serious TLC into the A319 / A320 mods because they feel sturdier during turbulence for whatever reason. Perhaps it's just me.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:42 pm

I would have liked to have seen Delta retire more of the early build A320s, with the 739ER deliveries, as originally planned when the aircraft was ordered.
Did you know that a Boeing 717-200 is really a McDonnell Douglas MD95-30? ;-)
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:08 pm

DeltaMD95 wrote:
I would have liked to have seen Delta retire more of the early build A320s, with the 739ER deliveries, as originally planned when the aircraft was ordered.


Why, when all of the frames currently flying got new bins, PSUs, seats, power and AVOD? Do you think you could tell a 1991 build from a 1995 build?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:37 am

akelley728 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
They didn't. The decision to retire seven A320s was taken at a moment when Delta was already installing the new cabins in the A320s. They simply retired the seven oldest A320s that hadn't received the new cabins yet. N309US had already gone through the mods at that point, so it wasn't retired. The decision had nothing to do with hours / cycles. N316US for example was retired with about 36k cycles and almost 80k hours on the clock. For comparison's sake, N309US is currently closing in on 40k cycles and is at about 87k hours.


PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
They made a decision to keep and modify additional 757s and retire the handful of older, unmodded A320s instead.


Would anyone know (perhaps 777mech) know how these seven were retired? In other words, are they in a state of retirement where they could be brought back from the desert (of course DL would put them through the life extension process and the P1/P2 mods). Or were they scrapped?


All of them were broken up. The spares value justified scrapping all seven.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:08 am

So I’m on a 75G tonight, the ex Shanghai 757 and was wondering why it doesn’t have the huge space bins where bags can be put on their side like the 75D and 75H? These seem like the regular bins the 739 were delivered with.

I also noticed this plane has vacuum lavatories. First 757 I’ve seen with those!
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