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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:56 pm

Oliver2020 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
TW870 wrote:

It is interesting to watch DL continue to hone the 100ish seat operation as they renew the fleet. They are now able to take advantage of the A220's low cruise fuel burn by putting it on many routes in the 2-3 hour range. Then they move the 717s to the Eastern and Midwestern hubs on mostly sub-2 hour trips, minimizing exposure to the 717's weaker fuel burn performance, and taking advantage of the 717's ruggedness for high-cycle operations. It is also interesting that except for SEA-FAI and the New York-Texas flying, DL has not used the A220 to initiate a bunch of longer stage length routes as people often speculate in A220 discussions.


You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.

flyboy80 wrote:
A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.


https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).


Your source was offical, but 2 years old. My source is current. I can't post a link to a password protected site. If anybody knows how I'll post an image saved on my device of the cabin layout. 42E now instead of 30E.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
Your source was offical, but 2 years old. My source is current. I can't post a link to a password protected site. If anybody knows how I'll post an image saved on my device of the cabin layout. 42E now instead of 30E.


Take a screenshot of your browser and upload it using Imgur (https://imgur.com/) to get a URL link.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:15 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.



The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.


https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).



Your source was offical, but 2 years old. My source is current. I can't post a link to a password protected site. If anybody knows how I'll post an image saved on my device of the cabin layout. 42E now instead of 30E.


I know my source is 2 years old and you are most likely correct, but without an official source from Delta it's a rumor.
To be honest I think you are correct, but I only trust sources from an official site.

The reason I do think your correct is the fact the only change being 12 more Delta comfort seats which is a (most likely a huge) revenue generator.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:10 pm

Please pardon my ignorance, but what are SSWs?
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:15 pm

GSPSPOT wrote:
Please pardon my ignorance, but what are SSWs?


Split scimitar winglets.

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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:37 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.



The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.


https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).


Your source was offical, but 2 years old. My source is current. I can't post a link to a password protected site. If anybody knows how I'll post an image saved on my device of the cabin layout. 42E now instead of 30E.


You would be correct. It will be 194. First delivery in NOV, but will probably slip.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:43 pm

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777Mech wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:

https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).


Your source was offical, but 2 years old. My source is current. I can't post a link to a password protected site. If anybody knows how I'll post an image saved on my device of the cabin layout. 42E now instead of 30E.


You would be correct. It will be 194. First delivery in NOV, but will probably slip.


Will there be room to add 4 more Y seats at I guess it would be D2 L and R to up the seat count to 198 or are those already included in the 194 seat count?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:19 am

907 to ferry to BYH tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n907dl
961 to ferry to BYH tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n961dl
962 to ferry to BHM tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n962dl
992 to end up at BHM tomorrow for storage: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n992dl
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:53 am

N835MH is scheduled to depart CAN, after mods, early on Dec 6th, after being cancelled twice. Routing will be CAN>NRT>MSP:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9959
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:45 pm

Oliver2020 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
777Mech wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

Your source was offical, but 2 years old. My source is current. I can't post a link to a password protected site. If anybody knows how I'll post an image saved on my device of the cabin layout. 42E now instead of 30E.


You would be correct. It will be 194. First delivery in NOV, but will probably slip.


Will there be room to add 4 more Y seats at I guess it would be D2 L and R to up the seat count to 198 or are those already included in the 194 seat count?


194 makes total sense based on the current configuration and the deletion of doors 2 L/R. Current configuration is 192. They will delete the jumpseat at the current 2R, add seat 13D in the place of the jumpseat, then add one window exit on each side, make that a slightly more legroom exit row. With the window exit, the will likely be able to get away with adding seat 26A which currently does not exist in order to have egress for 3R. Capacity goes from 192 to 194 without a significant change to pitch.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:06 pm

TW870 wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
777Mech wrote:

You would be correct. It will be 194. First delivery in NOV, but will probably slip.


Will there be room to add 4 more Y seats at I guess it would be D2 L and R to up the seat count to 198 or are those already included in the 194 seat count?


194 makes total sense based on the current configuration and the deletion of doors 2 L/R. Current configuration is 192. They will delete the jumpseat at the current 2R, add seat 13D in the place of the jumpseat, then add one window exit on each side, make that a slightly more legroom exit row. With the window exit, the will likely be able to get away with adding seat 26A which currently does not exist in order to have egress for 3R. Capacity goes from 192 to 194 without a significant change to pitch.


I expect the exit configuration will end up looking like the 739ER with 2 overwing exits on each side and the mid-cabin doors deactivated. With the mid-cabin lavatory shifted to the back and rows spaced to not require any missing seats at the window exits, that creates a simple cabin layout with rows of 6 throughout Y+ and Y.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:59 pm

timf wrote:
TW870 wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

Will there be room to add 4 more Y seats at I guess it would be D2 L and R to up the seat count to 198 or are those already included in the 194 seat count?


194 makes total sense based on the current configuration and the deletion of doors 2 L/R. Current configuration is 192. They will delete the jumpseat at the current 2R, add seat 13D in the place of the jumpseat, then add one window exit on each side, make that a slightly more legroom exit row. With the window exit, the will likely be able to get away with adding seat 26A which currently does not exist in order to have egress for 3R. Capacity goes from 192 to 194 without a significant change to pitch.


I expect the exit configuration will end up looking like the 739ER with 2 overwing exits on each side and the mid-cabin doors deactivated. With the mid-cabin lavatory shifted to the back and rows spaced to not require any missing seats at the window exits, that creates a simple cabin layout with rows of 6 throughout Y+ and Y.


I had wondered that, but I have never seen any airbus proposal for an A321 with the A320 door configuration. I think even on the new spaceflex cabin or whatever its called that they still have three sets of doors plus the available fourth doors or window exits for higher capacity.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:12 pm

TW870 wrote:
I had wondered that, but I have never seen any airbus proposal for an A321 with the A320 door configuration. I think even on the new spaceflex cabin or whatever its called that they still have three sets of doors plus the available fourth doors or window exits for higher capacity.

Turkish Airlines uses this configuration.

 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:08 pm

Anyone know when 7103 will exit SIN? It's now been in for mods longer than any of the previous 77Ls (trying to figure out if any of the remaining old configs will still be in service come Jan 1).
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:33 pm

How many more 7LR's remain to be modded?

n515cr wrote:
Anyone know when 7103 will exit SIN? It's now been in for mods longer than any of the previous 77Ls (trying to figure out if any of the remaining old configs will still be in service come Jan 1).
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:57 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
How many more 7LR's remain to be modded?

n515cr wrote:
Anyone know when 7103 will exit SIN? It's now been in for mods longer than any of the previous 77Ls (trying to figure out if any of the remaining old configs will still be in service come Jan 1).

2 more, so presumably one will take 7103’s spot, and another is “due” to exit later this month. Unless it’s delayed, no more old configs will be out there, but I’m trying to get some insight into the exit dates.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:23 am

Thanks for your response.....maybe 777Mech can help with expected exit dates

n515cr wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
How many more 7LR's remain to be modded?

n515cr wrote:
Anyone know when 7103 will exit SIN? It's now been in for mods longer than any of the previous 77Ls (trying to figure out if any of the remaining old configs will still be in service come Jan 1).

2 more, so presumably one will take 7103’s spot, and another is “due” to exit later this month. Unless it’s delayed, no more old configs will be out there, but I’m trying to get some insight into the exit dates.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:44 pm

timf wrote:
TW870 wrote:
I had wondered that, but I have never seen any airbus proposal for an A321 with the A320 door configuration. I think even on the new spaceflex cabin or whatever its called that they still have three sets of doors plus the available fourth doors or window exits for higher capacity.

Turkish Airlines uses this configuration.



Thanks for that information. I had no idea that they certified it this way - which I guess makes sense given that the 739ER is similar in capacity and has the same door configuration. All I have to say is I would not want to be at the equal distance point between the window exits and 2L/R, as that is a long run to the exit in an emergency.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:16 pm

Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:33 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.

Yes. The last ones were completed about one year ago.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:14 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:24 pm

audidudi wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.

Yes. The last ones were completed about one year ago.


Thank you! I flew on one without it just over a year ago, must’ve been one of the last ones.
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:24 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.


Haha I like that, thank you!
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:32 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.

Just as soon as the MD88/90 to get parked and they add them into the 717. Then yes, definitely.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:41 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.

Just as soon as the MD88/90 to get parked and they add them into the 717. Then yes, definitely.

Has it been confirmed that the 717s will be getting PTVs?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:10 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.

Just as soon as the MD88/90 to get parked and they add them into the 717. Then yes, definitely.


My rule works - unless they've relocated the engines on the McD t-tails. :)
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:49 pm

It will be interesting to see, if true, that perhaps they announce the 717 PTVs as a part of investor day next week.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:32 pm

It would be inline with DAL trying to keep the product consistent across all fleet types

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
It will be interesting to see, if true, that perhaps they announce the 717 PTVs as a part of investor day next week.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:19 am

NateGreat wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.

Just as soon as the MD88/90 to get parked and they add them into the 717. Then yes, definitely.

Has it been confirmed that the 717s will be getting PTVs?


I've heard senior leadership say it's going to happen, then go on to gush how they'll be able to boast seatback IFE system wide on mainline. I'd imagine from a PR perspective, they're waiting to publicly announce until all the details on contracts and timelines for mods are completed. Internally, I believe the decision has been made.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:41 am

TropicalSky wrote:
Thanks for your response.....maybe 777Mech can help with expected exit dates

n515cr wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
How many more 7LR's remain to be modded?


2 more, so presumably one will take 7103’s spot, and another is “due” to exit later this month. Unless it’s delayed, no more old configs will be out there, but I’m trying to get some insight into the exit dates.



I wonder if DL will look to add any second hand LR’s to the fleet. Or with the addition of Latam A350’s will they be unnecessary.
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:37 pm

9209 ferried to QRO on Dec 2: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n909da
3813 to RTS tomorrow with SSWs: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n813dn
1814 (N838MH) began its ferry to CAN: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n838mh
 
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3815 RTS today
3183 delayed but should RTS tomorrow
3814 appears to be in for mods
 
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:33 pm

7103 showing exit from SIN Dec 13: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n703dn
 
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987 to ferry to BHM tomorrow (retirement): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n987dl
 
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:02 pm

The 77L has more than enough range empty to fly SIN-MSP or ATL non-stop. Is this a function of Delta crew duty hours?
 
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Does anyone have a tentative delivery schedule ( by month ) for A 220's for 2020?
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Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:43 pm

x1234 wrote:
The 77L has more than enough range empty to fly SIN-MSP or ATL non-stop. Is this a function of Delta crew duty hours?


I am guessing it has to do with crew augmentation. By stopping at NRT, you break the trip into a 6 hour segment and an 11 hour segment. If you operated a single 16 hour segment, I think you need two captains and two FOs. I am not sure where the cutoff is on block time for when you need the second captain, but adding that position significantly increases costs. It may also have to do with trip building for deadheads. They already have multiple 777 crews laying over in Tokyo every day. There may be a way to break up the trips and deadhead a single captain and FO to SIN, lay them over briefly, and then have them ferry 7103 back to NRT. Then they could layover again, and join a different working rotation back to the US. Then a different crew laying over in Tokyo could pick 7103 up when it arrived and ferry it back to MSP. Flight ops crew scheduling would be the people in the know on this, but my guess is they are looking for a way to avoid deadheading multiple captains across the pacific.
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:34 pm

n515cr wrote:
987 to ferry to BHM tomorrow (retirement): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n987dl

If I'm correct, N905DL (a 1987 build) remains not only the oldest active DL MD-88 but also the oldest plane in the entire DL fleet. Is 905 among the 88s with ADS-B navigation equipment thus will be among the last batch of MD-88s to exit? Otherwise, 905 will apparently be retiring very soon for as a practical matter ADS-B will be required from 2020 on.

Also, can someone of more knowledge clarify if DL's MD-88s are powered by either the -217 or -219 version of the P&W JT8D-200 engine? Did MD-88 operators (DL, AeroMexico, Iberia among a few others) have a choice between the two versions?
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:10 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
n515cr wrote:
987 to ferry to BHM tomorrow (retirement): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n987dl

If I'm correct, N905DL (a 1987 build) remains not only the oldest active DL MD-88 but also the oldest plane in the entire DL fleet. Is 905 among the 88s with ADS-B navigation equipment thus will be among the last batch of MD-88s to exit? Otherwise, 905 will apparently be retiring very soon for as a practical matter ADS-B will be required from 2020 on.

Also, can someone of more knowledge clarify if DL's MD-88s are powered by either the -217 or -219 version of the P&W JT8D-200 engine? Did MD-88 operators (DL, AeroMexico, Iberia among a few others) have a choice between the two versions?


FR24 will show you it's data source for 905 is ADS-B.

DL operates the 219 variant.
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:16 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
n515cr wrote:
987 to ferry to BHM tomorrow (retirement): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n987dl

If I'm correct, N905DL (a 1987 build) remains not only the oldest active DL MD-88 but also the oldest plane in the entire DL fleet. Is 905 among the 88s with ADS-B navigation equipment thus will be among the last batch of MD-88s to exit? Otherwise, 905 will apparently be retiring very soon for as a practical matter ADS-B will be required from 2020 on.

That aircraft was looking very tired inside and out 3 years ago when I flew her. I shudder to think about it now.
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Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:04 am

777Mech wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
n515cr wrote:
987 to ferry to BHM tomorrow (retirement): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n987dl

If I'm correct, N905DL (a 1987 build) remains not only the oldest active DL MD-88 but also the oldest plane in the entire DL fleet. Is 905 among the 88s with ADS-B navigation equipment thus will be among the last batch of MD-88s to exit? Otherwise, 905 will apparently be retiring very soon for as a practical matter ADS-B will be required from 2020 on.

Also, can someone of more knowledge clarify if DL's MD-88s are powered by either the -217 or -219 version of the P&W JT8D-200 engine? Did MD-88 operators (DL, AeroMexico, Iberia among a few others) have a choice between the two versions?


FR24 will show you it's data source for 905 is ADS-B.

DL operates the 219 variant.

Sweet, thanks!

Of course soon after I post, I do another search and only then find the correct JT8D info (via the Delta Flight Museum site); so much for my previous "thorough" searches :roll: .

I don't know if other MD-88 customers could select the -217 engines. But with ATL/DFW hubs being at lower elevations, I once figured DL might not have needed the extra thrust of the -219s. This of course overlooks flights to the likes of DEN, ABQ and especially SLC. As many here know, SLC is virtually surrounded by the Wasatch Mountains even if these ridges aren't quite at SLC's doorstep. DL's MD-88s are already challenged at SLC (mainly single engine performance to clear surrounding terrain), to the point that what DL MD-88 operations that were at SLC were few and mainly limited to the cooler winter months which allowed for better takeoff performance. The -217 engines could have exacerbated the DL 88 matters at SLC even more.

My guess is that whatever interest the old Western Airlines (already a heavily Boeing customer with a big exception of the DC-10) had in MD-80s, the single engine performance issues at SLC pushed WA away. Just maybe also why Western did not buy the 737-400 to supplement their 733s and 732s?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:12 am

N776AU wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
n515cr wrote:
987 to ferry to BHM tomorrow (retirement): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n987dl

If I'm correct, N905DL (a 1987 build) remains not only the oldest active DL MD-88 but also the oldest plane in the entire DL fleet. Is 905 among the 88s with ADS-B navigation equipment thus will be among the last batch of MD-88s to exit? Otherwise, 905 will apparently be retiring very soon for as a practical matter ADS-B will be required from 2020 on.

That aircraft was looking very tired inside and out 3 years ago when I flew her. I shudder to think about it now.

Perhaps less worn interiors removed from recently retired Mad Dogs are now used for N905DL and other remaining MD-88s? Anyway, I have not been on a DL Mad Dog in about five years, but more recent reports I've read run the gambit from surprisingly nice cabins to ratty.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:24 pm

 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:15 pm

7108 showing a ferry ATL-NRT tomorrow, and should continue to SIN (just not showing at time of this post): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n708dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:31 pm

Is this the last 7L for upgrade?

n515cr wrote:
7108 showing a ferry ATL-NRT tomorrow, and should continue to SIN (just not showing at time of this post): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n708dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:01 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
Is this the last 7L for upgrade?

n515cr wrote:
7108 showing a ferry ATL-NRT tomorrow, and should continue to SIN (just not showing at time of this post): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n708dn

7109 will be the last one to get modded.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:16 pm

This mod has gone by rather quickly for DAL....now to complete 763’s that will remain the fleet

n515cr wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
Is this the last 7L for upgrade?

n515cr wrote:
7108 showing a ferry ATL-NRT tomorrow, and should continue to SIN (just not showing at time of this post): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n708dn

7109 will be the last one to get modded.

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