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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:47 pm

FSDan wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
TW870 wrote:
One important change I have noticed with the ongoing fleet upgrades is that with 27 A220s in the fleet (the 28th bird comes next week), the 717 has left the west coast. I haven't checked absolutely everything, but there are no 717s on what had been likely places for the 717 to pop up.


Interesting observation. What are the 717 bases at present? Should we expect 717s to be clustered at ATL the way MD-88/MD-90 have been? 717s certainly have useful range out of DTW/MSP/LGA, too.


Yep, as of late September or so all the 717s are gone from SEA, LAX, and SLC. I expect the 717s to continue to do a significant amount of flying from MSP and DTW (and probably still NYC for a while) in addition to ATL. As far as I can remember, ATL, DTW, and NYC are bases. MSP might not be a base, but generally sees at least 30 717 departures in a typical day.


It is interesting to watch DL continue to hone the 100ish seat operation as they renew the fleet. They are now able to take advantage of the A220's low cruise fuel burn by putting it on many routes in the 2-3 hour range. Then they move the 717s to the Eastern and Midwestern hubs on mostly sub-2 hour trips, minimizing exposure to the 717's weaker fuel burn performance, and taking advantage of the 717's ruggedness for high-cycle operations. It is also interesting that except for SEA-FAI and the New York-Texas flying, DL has not used the A220 to initiate a bunch of longer stage length routes as people often speculate in A220 discussions.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:57 pm

A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:50 pm

TW870 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Interesting observation. What are the 717 bases at present? Should we expect 717s to be clustered at ATL the way MD-88/MD-90 have been? 717s certainly have useful range out of DTW/MSP/LGA, too.


Yep, as of late September or so all the 717s are gone from SEA, LAX, and SLC. I expect the 717s to continue to do a significant amount of flying from MSP and DTW (and probably still NYC for a while) in addition to ATL. As far as I can remember, ATL, DTW, and NYC are bases. MSP might not be a base, but generally sees at least 30 717 departures in a typical day.


It is interesting to watch DL continue to hone the 100ish seat operation as they renew the fleet. They are now able to take advantage of the A220's low cruise fuel burn by putting it on many routes in the 2-3 hour range. Then they move the 717s to the Eastern and Midwestern hubs on mostly sub-2 hour trips, minimizing exposure to the 717's weaker fuel burn performance, and taking advantage of the 717's ruggedness for high-cycle operations. It is also interesting that except for SEA-FAI and the New York-Texas flying, DL has not used the A220 to initiate a bunch of longer stage length routes as people often speculate in A220 discussions.


You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.

flyboy80 wrote:
A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:56 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


Yes, it will be interesting to see how tight it is. Although when I looked at the 321neo revision to our manual it appears that there is now only 4 doors. The doors at 2L/R and 3L/R are gone and have been replaced by two sets of overwing exit windows. Hopefully using the space where those doors used to be will make it not as tight plus the 2 f/a jumpseats near those doors will be gone as well.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:17 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


It's fewer than AA's 321neos -- which will not have PTVs. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ameri ... 321neo.php
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:54 am

319/320 and 220 have higher net promoter scores than the 717's. Delta wants consistent, best product on mainline out west. Also part of why Compass is getting pushed off property. Lower quality scores, worse operating metrics vs SkyWest.

TW870 wrote:
One important change I have noticed with the ongoing fleet upgrades is that with 27 A220s in the fleet (the 28th bird comes next week), the 717 has left the west coast. I haven't checked absolutely everything, but there are no 717s on what had been likely places for the 717 to pop up. SEA-DEN and SEA-SFO are now a mix of A319 and A221. SEA-LAS is a mix of 738, A319, and A320. LAX-SFO is mostly 738 and 739 (upgauged and with fewer frequencies due to LAX construction).

It is interesting to see the fleet move around, with 717s going back east to join other narrowbodies as replacements for -88s and -90s that are coming off ATL hub operations and headed to the desert. It also seems that there has been an uptick in A319 flying out west, with some aircraft doing multiple turns out of LAX and SEA before rotating back east. My guess is that some of that flying will go A220 as more aircraft join the fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:59 am

n7371f wrote:
319/320 and 220 have higher net promoter scores than the 717's. Delta wants consistent, best product on mainline out west. Also part of why Compass is getting pushed off property. Lower quality scores, worse operating metrics vs SkyWest.

TW870 wrote:
One important change I have noticed with the ongoing fleet upgrades is that with 27 A220s in the fleet (the 28th bird comes next week), the 717 has left the west coast. I haven't checked absolutely everything, but there are no 717s on what had been likely places for the 717 to pop up. SEA-DEN and SEA-SFO are now a mix of A319 and A221. SEA-LAS is a mix of 738, A319, and A320. LAX-SFO is mostly 738 and 739 (upgauged and with fewer frequencies due to LAX construction).

It is interesting to see the fleet move around, with 717s going back east to join other narrowbodies as replacements for -88s and -90s that are coming off ATL hub operations and headed to the desert. It also seems that there has been an uptick in A319 flying out west, with some aircraft doing multiple turns out of LAX and SEA before rotating back east. My guess is that some of that flying will go A220 as more aircraft join the fleet.


Ironically also the reason Compass moved from MSP/DTW hub flying to LAX/SEA: Supplant SKW CRJ west coast flying (starting with LAX-SFO shuttle) with a better product in the E175. Now that much of that 76-seat flying has been upgauged, and SKW has DL E175s, they can move 30 E175s back east for BOS & NYC. Makes a lot of sense to consolidate carriers than make CPZ move all operations East, again. That'd likely turnover nearly the entire workforce, and defeats the purpose of it's existence.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:53 pm

1812 should ferry to CAN next: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n836mh
Not sure on the next 739 to go for SSWs.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:06 am

Compass got used and abused but they were nothing but an operational laggard within DAL. And customer numbers told the same story.

The west coast build-up was a well oiled plan, to the surprise of many who don't understand the industry who think you just start a hub with 737-800's.

The SEA build started with CR7's and CR9's flying routes like LAX, LAS, SFO, PHX, SAN...as traffic built and more corporate contracts were acquired, as planned, the move out west was to exchange the Bombardier's for Embraers....and then E75's for 717's...and then 717's for 319's and 320's and E7W's for the entire operation.

Cactusjuba wrote:
n7371f wrote:
319/320 and 220 have higher net promoter scores than the 717's. Delta wants consistent, best product on mainline out west. Also part of why Compass is getting pushed off property. Lower quality scores, worse operating metrics vs SkyWest.

TW870 wrote:
One important change I have noticed with the ongoing fleet upgrades is that with 27 A220s in the fleet (the 28th bird comes next week), the 717 has left the west coast. I haven't checked absolutely everything, but there are no 717s on what had been likely places for the 717 to pop up. SEA-DEN and SEA-SFO are now a mix of A319 and A221. SEA-LAS is a mix of 738, A319, and A320. LAX-SFO is mostly 738 and 739 (upgauged and with fewer frequencies due to LAX construction).

It is interesting to see the fleet move around, with 717s going back east to join other narrowbodies as replacements for -88s and -90s that are coming off ATL hub operations and headed to the desert. It also seems that there has been an uptick in A319 flying out west, with some aircraft doing multiple turns out of LAX and SEA before rotating back east. My guess is that some of that flying will go A220 as more aircraft join the fleet.


Ironically also the reason Compass moved from MSP/DTW hub flying to LAX/SEA: Supplant SKW CRJ west coast flying (starting with LAX-SFO shuttle) with a better product in the E175. Now that much of that 76-seat flying has been upgauged, and SKW has DL E175s, they can move 30 E175s back east for BOS & NYC. Makes a lot of sense to consolidate carriers than make CPZ move all operations East, again. That'd likely turnover nearly the entire workforce, and defeats the purpose of it's existence.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:21 pm

N828MH is operating tonight’s DL30. It has been in ATL since 11/12, so is the new IFE working yet?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:59 pm

NateGreat wrote:
N828MH is operating tonight’s DL30. It has been in ATL since 11/12, so is the new IFE working yet?

Give it a chance! It’s only been about 5 months since she left CAN after mods! But seriously, it must surely be working by now!
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:29 pm

audidudi wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
N828MH is operating tonight’s DL30. It has been in ATL since 11/12, so is the new IFE working yet?

Give it a chance! It’s only been about 5 months since she left CAN after mods! But seriously, it must surely be working by now!

I would assume so!
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:37 am

Another A220, likely 8128, showing delivery flight tomorrow: https://flightaware.com/live/findflight ... ation=KATL
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:40 am

NateGreat wrote:
N828MH is operating tonight’s DL30. It has been in ATL since 11/12, so is the new IFE working yet?


I was on her a couple weeks ago and the IFE is working. She looks really nice inside!!
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:25 am

N128DU on its way to it’s new home https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#22ec6766
This is also Delta’s last A220-100 for delivery. Next will be the -300(with a possible end of the year delivery before the new year)
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:42 am

Delta350 wrote:
N128DU on its way to it’s new home https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#22ec6766
This is also Delta’s last A220-100 for delivery. Next will be the -300(with a possible end of the year delivery before the new year)


When did that change from 45x 221s / 50x 223s, or are they just starting to take 300s soon and more 100s will join later?
https://news.delta.com/delta-expands-a2 ... r-services

Also, anyone know the tail #'s for the 300s?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:14 am

n515cr wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
N128DU on its way to it’s new home https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#22ec6766
This is also Delta’s last A220-100 for delivery. Next will be the -300(with a possible end of the year delivery before the new year)


When did that change from 45x 221s / 50x 223s, or are they just starting to take 300s soon and more 100s will join later?
https://news.delta.com/delta-expands-a2 ... r-services

Also, anyone know the tail #'s for the 300s?


I'm not sure where he's getting his info as this being the last -100 and the first 300 coming soon, but They'll be taking all 45
-100s and the -300s arrive starting in July.

The fleet code should be an 82XX series for the -300.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:52 am

n515cr wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
N128DU on its way to it’s new home https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#22ec6766
This is also Delta’s last A220-100 for delivery. Next will be the -300(with a possible end of the year delivery before the new year)


When did that change from 45x 221s / 50x 223s, or are they just starting to take 300s soon and more 100s will join later?
https://news.delta.com/delta-expands-a2 ... r-services

Also, anyone know the tail #'s for the 300s?


I’m sorry I looked baked and found out they have 9 left. Then the -300s come
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:44 am

Is N128DU the aircraft that had the incident with fire retardant sprayed on it?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:57 am

Delta350 wrote:
n515cr wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
N128DU on its way to it’s new home https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#22ec6766
This is also Delta’s last A220-100 for delivery. Next will be the -300(with a possible end of the year delivery before the new year)


When did that change from 45x 221s / 50x 223s, or are they just starting to take 300s soon and more 100s will join later?
https://news.delta.com/delta-expands-a2 ... r-services

Also, anyone know the tail #'s for the 300s?


I’m sorry I looked baked and found out they have 9 left. Then the -300s come


Are you sure it's not 12 A220-100s in 2020?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:53 am

17 -100s will arrive in 2020 completing the total of 45. 6 -300s scheduled for delivery in 2020, all from Mobile.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:25 am

TropicalSky wrote:
Is N128DU the aircraft that had the incident with fire retardant sprayed on it?


No, the first -300 in Mobile is the fuselage in question.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:32 am

Thanks for the correction

777Mech wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
Is N128DU the aircraft that had the incident with fire retardant sprayed on it?



No, the first -300 in Mobile is the fuselage in question.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:47 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
n515cr wrote:

When did that change from 45x 221s / 50x 223s, or are they just starting to take 300s soon and more 100s will join later?
https://news.delta.com/delta-expands-a2 ... r-services

Also, anyone know the tail #'s for the 300s?


I’m sorry I looked baked and found out they have 9 left. Then the -300s come


Are you sure it's not 12 A220-100s in 2020?


Actually 9 are on the production list, but 17 will come next year
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:14 pm

Twelve -100s were cited on the purchase commitment list as of the last Annual Report, for 2020 (and the rest -300s). I'll infer that the last incremental order for 5 (that took the total from 90 to 95) accounts for the extra five. https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html

Neither the Airbus nor Delta press release announcing the order cited delivery dates.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:16 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
17 -100s will arrive in 2020 completing the total of 45. 6 -300s scheduled for delivery in 2020, all from Mobile.


The first 3 223s come from BFM(Mobile) while the next 4 will be from YMX.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:46 pm

DL 1953 on its way from LGA to RSW. This is first A220 flight to RSW that I am aware of. Appears to be a weekend only flight with the aircraft having flown DFW-ATL earlier.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:49 am

Is the IFE on N831MH working? Looks like N831MH is doing DL1/2 daily, while N828MH is doing DL30/31 daily.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:10 am

NateGreat wrote:
Is the IFE on N831MH working? Looks like N831MH is doing DL1/2 daily, while N828MH is doing DL30/31 daily.

I would assume that the IFE is working on all the refurbished frames...it’s definitely working on N828MH, which was the first one to be completed.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:46 am

audidudi wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Is the IFE on N831MH working? Looks like N831MH is doing DL1/2 daily, while N828MH is doing DL30/31 daily.

I would assume that the IFE is working on all the refurbished frames...it’s definitely working on N828MH, which was the first one to be completed.

I thought the 764s all had to go through some type of process/maintenance in order for the IFE to work, or was that only for N828MH, the first frame?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:36 pm

Yes the IFE is working. I worked this ship on 10NOV and it's all up and running. It really looks great on the inside.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:01 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


It’s not it has a whole emergency exit deactivated. Which basically gives it a whole row back.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:25 pm

9236 ferried to BHM for temp storage: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n936dn
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:37 pm

3813 appears to have entered ATL for SSW mods: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n813dn
3807 should RTS tomorrow with SSWs: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n807dn
3815 may take 3807's spot on the mod line. TBD
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:21 pm

How many more 900's remain to be modded with SSW?

n515cr wrote:
3813 appears to have entered ATL for SSW mods: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n813dn
3807 should RTS tomorrow with SSWs: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n807dn
3815 may take 3807's spot on the mod line. TBD
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:06 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
How many more 900's remain to be modded with SSW?

n515cr wrote:
3813 appears to have entered ATL for SSW mods: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n813dn
3807 should RTS tomorrow with SSWs: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n807dn
3815 may take 3807's spot on the mod line. TBD

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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 pm

I must say they look much better with those winglets

n515cr wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
How many more 900's remain to be modded with SSW

n515cr wrote:
3813 appears to have entered ATL for SSW mods: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n813dn
3807 should RTS tomorrow with SSWs: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n807dn
3815 may take 3807's spot on the mod line. TBD

23: 3814-3830, 3901-3906
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:27 am

 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:03 am

LawAndOrder wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


It’s not it has a whole emergency exit deactivated. Which basically gives it a whole row back.


Can anyone verify what the exit configuration will be? My understanding is that the NEOs would have what is currently 3 L/R (row 27) still usable, that the current 2 L/R will be plugged, and that an overwing exit will be added. I also read into some peoples' posts that it will have the same exit configuration as the A320 - with 4 door and 4 window exits. Which is it?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:47 pm

1813 should start its ferry tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n837mh
 
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:42 pm

 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:52 pm

n515cr wrote:


They got that one out of indoc pretty quick - just six days. I presume they need it for the post-Thanksgiving rush out west.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:53 pm

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It is also interesting that except for SEA-FAI and the New York-Texas flying, DL has not used the A220 to initiate a bunch of longer stage length routes as people often speculate in A220 discussions.


I think it is clear that DELTA has been rather conservative in terms of how they have chosen to deploy the A220 during the break-in and learning curve period. That is prudent IMO, keeping in mind that the A220 was a completely new type with new engine technology.

DELTA is planning to use the A220 on one of their ATL-SEA nonstops in 2020:

https://onemileatatime.com/delta-a220-atlanta-seattle/

Even ATL-SEA remains far short of the A220s maximum range.
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N702DN 7102 Entered Nov 8, 2019; est. exit Dec 23, 2019
N703DN 7103 Entered Oct 18, 2019; est. exit Dec 2, 2019
N704DK 7104 Entered Apr 3, 2018; finished May 3, 2018
N705DN 7105 Entered Feb 25, 2019; finished Mar 28, 2018
N706DN 7106 Entered Sep 6, 2018; finished Nov 1, 2018
N707DN 7107 Entered Mar 23, 2018; finished Apr 23, 2018
N708DN 7108
N709DN 7109
N710DN 7110 Entered Nov 18, 2019; est. exit Jan 2, 2020

767-400 Conversions to J34W20+28Y156: 4/21 (+4 in mod)
N825MH 1801
N826MH 1802 Entered Nov 17, 2019; est. exit Jan 27, 2020
N827MH 1803
N828MH 1804 Entered Jan 3, 2019; finished Jun 24, 2019
N829MH 1805
N830MH 1806
N831MH 1807 Entered Sep 2, 2019; finished Nov 12, 2019
N832MH 1808
N833MH 1809 Entered Sep 13, 2019; finished Nov 24, 2019
N834MH 1810 Entered Sep 11, 2019; finished Nov 17, 2019
N835MH 1811 Entered Oct 1, 2019; est. exit Dec 11, 2019
N836MH 1812 Entered Nov 20, 2019; est. exit Jan 29, 2020
N837MH 1813 Entered Nov 29, 2019; est. exit Feb 7, 2020
N838MH 1814
N839MH 1815
N840MH 1816
N841MH 1817
N842MH 1818
N843MH 1819
N844MH 1820
N845MH 1821


757 Mods [Complete]
757-300: (5801-5816)

75E -> 75S: (6801-6818)
C16W44Y108 (PMDL, International/JFK-CA, flatbeds in C, Satellite WiFi, PTVs)

75A/75M -> 75H: (5635-5649)
F20W29Y150 (AVOD/Sat TV, ISP, Satellite WiFi, new lavs/galleys/bins/PSUs/LED lighting, ETOPS)

757/75X -> 75C: (649-652, 654-655, 661-664, 666)
F72 (NBA/Charter configuration)

757/75X/75M -> 75D: (658-660, 665, 667-676, 678-699, 5650-5657, 6700-6717)
F20W29Y150 (AVOD/Sat TV, ISP, WiFi, new lavs/galleys/bins/PSUs/LED lighting)

Ex-Shanghai -> 75G: (6819-6823)
F20W41Y132 (AVOD/Sat TV, ISP, WiFi, new lavs/seats/galleys/bins/PSUs/LED lighting, winglets, and ETOPS)


737 Mods/Induction
73W Cabin Refresh (LED mood lighting, soft bulkhead between Y and F, 2Ku
10: 3601-3610

737-800 Mods (AVOD, updated lavs, and LED cabin lighting, 2Ku)
738: 43. 3701-4743
73H: 30. 3744-3773.
73A (Ex-GOL): 3. Sky Interior. 3774-3777
3762 temp parked 8/31/19

737-900ER Induction/Scimitar Upgrades, F20W21Y139, 2Ku
130: 3801-3930
20 w/ ETOPS: 3876-3895
22 without split scimitar winglets: 3814, 3815-3830, 3901-3906
3813 entered scimitar mods 11/24
3815 entered scimitar mods 11/26


Airbus Mods/Induction
A319: F12W18Y96 -> F12W18Y102, AVOD, 2Ku: 57
3101-3102, 3114-3149, 3151-3155, 3157-3166, 3168-3171

A320: F12W18Y120 -> P1: F16W18Y126 / P2: F16W18Y123, AVOD, 2Ku: 62
3209, 3212, 3217, 3219-3245, 3247-3278

A320 retirements: 7
3210-3211, 3213-3216, 3218

A220-100 Induction, F12W16Y82, 2Ku: 28/45
8101-8128
@ ATL for induction:

A321 Induction, F20W29Y140, 2Ku: 95/127
3001-3088, 3090, 3092-3097
@ MCI for induction:


MD Fleet Status
MD-90s: 65
Active MD-90s: 26
N909DA 9209
N910DN 9210
N911DA 9211
N912DN 9212
N913DN 9213
N914DN 9214
N915DN 9215
N916DN 9216
N917DN 9217
N918DH 9218
N919DN 9219
N920DN 9220
N921DN 9221
N922DX 9222
N923DN 9223
N924DN 9224
N925DN 9225
N926DH 9226
N927DN 9227
N928DN 9228
N931DN 9231
N934DN 9234
N935DN 9235
N960DN 9260
N962DN 9262
N963DN 9263

Inactive MD-90s: 39 (w/ storage/retirement date)
N901DA 9201 10/1/2018
N902DA 9202 6/25/2017
N903DA 9203 9/2/2017
N904DA 9204 7/15/2018
N905DA 9205 1/5/2019
N906DA 9206 8/21/2019
N907DA 9207 6/24/2019
N908DA 9208 11/1/2019, temp storage
N930DN 9230 9/8/2019
N932DN 9232 12/24/2017
N929DN 9229 10/28/2019, temp storage
N933DN 9233 8/29/2018
N936DN 9236 11/22/2019
N937DN 9237 8/13/2018
N938DN 9238 11/12/2018
N939DN 9239 11/15/2018
N940DN 9240 1/4/2019
N941DN 9241 3/3/2019
N942DN 9242 2/3/2019
N943DN 9243 1/3/2019
N944DN 9244 12/12/2018
N945DN 9245 2/14/2019
N946DN 9246 5/5/2019
N947DN 9247 8/7/2019
N948DN 9248 10/14/2018
N949DN 9249 11/15/2018
N950DN 9250 9/5/2019
N951DN 9251 9/1/2019
N952DN 9252 6/17/2019
N953DN 9253 6/3/2018
N954DN 9254 5/12/2018
N955DN 9255 4/15/2018
N956DN 9256 1/3/2018
N957DN 9257 2/28/2018
N958DN 9258 10/1/2017
N959DN 9259 1/15/2018
N961DN 9261 3/23/2018
N964DN 9264 2/28/2018
N965DN 9265 7/11/2018

MD-88s: 120
Active MD-88s: 54
N905DL 905
N907DL 907
N912DL 912
N913DL 913
N916DL 916
N917DL 917
N958DL 958
N960DL 960
N961DL 961
N962DL 962
N963DL 963
N964DL 964
N965DL 965
N966DL 966
N967DL 967
N968DL 968
N969DL 969
N970DL 970
N971DL 971
N972DL 972
N973DL 973
N974DL 974
N975DL 975
N976DL 976
N978DL 978
N979DL 979
N986DL 986
N987DL 987
N990DL 990
N991DL 991
N992DL 992
N993DL 993
N994DL 994
N995DL 995
N996DL 996
N997DL 997
N998DL 998
N999DN 999
N900DE 9000
N901DE 9001
N902DE 9002
N903DE 9003
N904DE 9004
N905DE 9005
N906DE 9006
N907DE 9007
N908DE 9008
N909DE 9009
N910DE 9010
N911DE 9011
N912DE 9012
N915DE 9015
N918DE 9018
N920DE 9020

Inactive MD-88s: 66 (w/ storage/retirement date)
N901DL 901 2007
N902DL 902
N903DL 903 2008
N904DL 904 8/13/2019
N906DL 906 9/3/2019
N908DL 908 10/28/2019
N909DL 909 3/05/2015 (written off)
N910DL 910 9/10/2019
N911DL 911 8/31/19
N914DL 914 8/25/2018
N915DL 915 7/29/2019
N918DL 918 7/07/2018
N919DL 919 3/25/2018
N920DL 920 10/30/2017
N921DL 921 8/19/2018
N922DL 922 9/25/2019
N923DL 923 3/22/2018
N924DL 924 10/30/2018
N925DL 925 9/15/2017
N926DL 926 5/29/2018
N927DA 927 8/10/2018
N928DL 928 8/28/2017
N929DL 929 1/05/2018
N930DL 930 12/02/2017
N931DL 931 5/11/2018
N932DL 932 9/15/2018
N933DL 933 9/28/2018
N934DL 934 7/01/2018
N935DL 935 11/21/2018
N936DL 936 12/9/2018
N937DL 937 12/21/2018
N938DL 938 11/1/2018
N939DL 939 9/23/2018
N940DL 940 11/13/2017
N941DL 941 9/18/2018
N942DL 942 9/7/2018
N943DL 943 10/31/2018
N944DL 944 11/2/2018
N945DL 945 11/18/2018
N946DL 946 12/15/2018
N947DL 947 6/11/2019
N948DL 948 1/19/2019
N949DL 949 9/17/2019
N950DL 950 1/28/2019
N951DL 951 2/18/2019
N952DL 952 1/3/2019
N953DL 953 8/26/2019
N954DL 954 2/15/2019
N955DL 955 9/9/2019
N956DL 956 8/31/2019
N957DL 957 10/26/2019
N959DL 959 10/16/2019
N977DL 977 4/26/2019, written off due to tug collision damage
N980DL 980 5/12/2019
N981DL 981 8/3/2019
N982DL 982 6/30/2019
N983DL 983 6/3/2019
N984DL 984 8/31/2019
N985DL 985 7/19/2019
N988DL 988 9/16/2019
N989DL 989 10/11/2019
N913DE 9013 7/8/2019
N914DE 9014 9/07/2017
N916DE 9016 10/27/2019, temp storage
N917DE 9017 10/20/2017
N919DE 9019 7/20/2018
 
panamair
Posts: 4115
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:24 am

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:50 am

Looks like ship 1811 N835MH will be exiting mods 3 Dec and flying CAN-NRT on 4 Dec. This will be the 5th refurbished 764.

Currently DL30 ATL-LHR and DL001 JFK-LHR are the two flights regularly scheduled with this configuration; DL58 BOS-LHR comes online tomorrow 3 Dec and JFK-ZRH joins the list this coming Sunday 8 Dec.
 
Oliver2020
Posts: 153
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:39 am

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:05 am

Cactusjuba wrote:
TW870 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Yep, as of late September or so all the 717s are gone from SEA, LAX, and SLC. I expect the 717s to continue to do a significant amount of flying from MSP and DTW (and probably still NYC for a while) in addition to ATL. As far as I can remember, ATL, DTW, and NYC are bases. MSP might not be a base, but generally sees at least 30 717 departures in a typical day.


It is interesting to watch DL continue to hone the 100ish seat operation as they renew the fleet. They are now able to take advantage of the A220's low cruise fuel burn by putting it on many routes in the 2-3 hour range. Then they move the 717s to the Eastern and Midwestern hubs on mostly sub-2 hour trips, minimizing exposure to the 717's weaker fuel burn performance, and taking advantage of the 717's ruggedness for high-cycle operations. It is also interesting that except for SEA-FAI and the New York-Texas flying, DL has not used the A220 to initiate a bunch of longer stage length routes as people often speculate in A220 discussions.


You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.

flyboy80 wrote:
A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.


https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).
 
LawAndOrder
Posts: 224
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:56 pm

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:43 pm

Oliver2020 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
TW870 wrote:

It is interesting to watch DL continue to hone the 100ish seat operation as they renew the fleet. They are now able to take advantage of the A220's low cruise fuel burn by putting it on many routes in the 2-3 hour range. Then they move the 717s to the Eastern and Midwestern hubs on mostly sub-2 hour trips, minimizing exposure to the 717's weaker fuel burn performance, and taking advantage of the 717's ruggedness for high-cycle operations. It is also interesting that except for SEA-FAI and the New York-Texas flying, DL has not used the A220 to initiate a bunch of longer stage length routes as people often speculate in A220 discussions.


You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.

flyboy80 wrote:
A pilot recently said there may soon be a 220 base in SEA.

Things will get even more interesting when the 32N and 223 come online, which I think is late spring and through summer 2020 perhaps?

I can’t believe Delta is putting so many seats in the 321 neo, that thing is going to be as tight if not tighter than the 739 and 757. But hey, it has PTVs...


The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.


https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).


Yes a row of six. With the new exit configuration they were able to gain a row but keep the leg room the same 31 min pitch.
 
TW870
Posts: 1046
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:01 am

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:49 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

You forgot the odd-time redeyes SLC-ATL, SLC-JFK and SEA-ATL. The mission of the A220-100 has mostly been to upgauge long-thin CRJ9/E175 routes, especially in strong competitor territory (NYC, DFW, IAH, SEA, Bay area). That's what was said, and that's what it's done. Expect the A220-300 to open up some new long thin routes.



The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected 4Q2020, with service commencing March 2021. Pilot base for A320 expected in SEA sometime in that timeline, and A220 base in SEA likely before summer 2020.


https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).


Yes a row of six. With the new exit configuration they were able to gain a row but keep the leg room the same 31 min pitch.


Aren't the 321CEOs being delivered as 292 seaters? My understanding is that they will gain five seats by deleting the current doors 2 L/R, pulling the F/A jumpseat at row 13 for a gain of one C+ seat, adding one window exit on each side, adding a regular economy seat on 3L/R (which will become 2L/R after the forward doors are gone) in the position that would be 26A, then sliding the seats more tightly together on one side for three more regular economy seats. So yes, it will basically be a 739 level of tightness, and like the 739, it will not be easy to get out of this airplane in a fire, as your only full egress doors will be at the very front and very back of a very long cabin.
 
Oliver2020
Posts: 153
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:39 am

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:00 pm

https://www.delta.com/us/en/aircraft/airbus/a321
The above website is from the Delta website ( accurate source) displaying seating configuration. Interesting ( to me atleast) you can compare the A321CEO configuration against the A321CEO configuration. I am not in the know and I do not work for Delta, but I'm almost certain all of the A321CEO's will be configured to 191 seats.
A321CEO-191 seats (20F, 29E, 142Y)
A321NEO-197 seats (20F, 30E, 147Y)

Disclaimer: please excuse my grammar and spelling mistakes as I haven't had my cup of coffee yet. Lol
 
LawAndOrder
Posts: 224
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:56 pm

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:46 pm

TW870 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:

https://news.delta.com/delta-selects-ai ... et-renewal

According to the press release the A321neo's will have 197 seats ( 20F, 30E, 147Y).


Yes a row of six. With the new exit configuration they were able to gain a row but keep the leg room the same 31 min pitch.


Aren't the 321CEOs being delivered as 292 seaters? My understanding is that they will gain five seats by deleting the current doors 2 L/R, pulling the F/A jumpseat at row 13 for a gain of one C+ seat, adding one window exit on each side, adding a regular economy seat on 3L/R (which will become 2L/R after the forward doors are gone) in the position that would be 26A, then sliding the seats more tightly together on one side for three more regular economy seats. So yes, it will basically be a 739 level of tightness, and like the 739, it will not be easy to get out of this airplane in a fire, as your only full egress doors will be at the very front and very back of a very long cabin.


It won’t be as 739 will have more seats below 31 pitch. If they are pulling the exit row wouldn’t they gain space from it lol. They can take that space and play with the monuments to get one extra row: it’s not that hard folks. The 739 is not a bad ride if you are in a row with 31 inch as I was yesterday. What makes it perceived to be bad is the lack of a mid cabin bathroom which delta will have on the neo.

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