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ncflyer
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:10 pm

I have to reserve judgment until I see who is paying for it before I say “Cleveland is a joke”.

For all we know it’s some rich individual looking to stir the pot or celebrate St Patty day a bit early. If it is something like that, I can’t blame Cleveland for that. The Growth Association and Destination Cleveland are very professional in their advertising.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:43 pm

Geowizical wrote:
Well, now this is an thing...
"Delayed Delivery of Aer Lingus Aircraft"
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/ ... 76736.html


It looks like the previously announced YUL service is postponed until 2020, and service to other North American destinations is to be reduced due to lack of aircraft. I can't imagine that CLE service would start before summer 2020, if EI is actually coming.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:43 pm

The EI billboard on 237 came down as quick as it went up. Now it's just and advertisement to rent the billboard.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:24 pm

swacle wrote:
The EI billboard on 237 came down as quick as it went up. Now it's just and advertisement to rent the billboard.


I think it was an a.netter that paid to put it up to create discussion! :lol:
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:21 pm

swacle wrote:
The EI billboard on 237 came down as quick as it went up. Now it's just and advertisement to rent the billboard.


IF these were real ads to court interest, is it possible the news of Aer Lingus postponing certain flights due to delivery delays caused it to be taken down on the exact same day the delays were announced? If so, does that indicate that maybe these were in fact official billboards commissioned by an entity like Destination Cleveland or an equivalent? It's just so weird that they went up and then down in a day coinciding with the news...
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:36 am

Billboards still appear to be up. Passed one on the way home tonight (237)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:27 pm

On a more boring note, and absent any speculation-- unlike the Ireland chatter:

Delta had a rough opening day to Boston yesterday, due to weather in New England all three flights were cancelled. United's last day on the route is Thursday, and no surprise, they will be flying some very empty planes judging by the UA seat maps (I see CRJ's on the route for first time I can ever remember to close it out).

I still can't get my head around the fact that UA gave up this route to Delta, even though with a measly 150 seats per day each way between two non-hubs, I don't think anyone in Chicago is losing too much sleep over such a route. I'm personally happy about this change because Delta flies newer planes and terminal A at Logan is terrific.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:18 pm

ncflyer wrote:
On a more boring note, and absent any speculation-- unlike the Ireland chatter:

Delta had a rough opening day to Boston yesterday, due to weather in New England all three flights were cancelled. United's last day on the route is Thursday, and no surprise, they will be flying some very empty planes judging by the UA seat maps (I see CRJ's on the route for first time I can ever remember to close it out).

I still can't get my head around the fact that UA gave up this route to Delta, even though with a measly 150 seats per day each way between two non-hubs, I don't think anyone in Chicago is losing too much sleep over such a route. I'm personally happy about this change because Delta flies newer planes and terminal A at Logan is terrific.


Maybe we can get DL to take over the CUN route also ! All they would have to do is mention it and UA will bail !
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:05 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
On a more boring note, and absent any speculation-- unlike the Ireland chatter:

Delta had a rough opening day to Boston yesterday, due to weather in New England all three flights were cancelled. United's last day on the route is Thursday, and no surprise, they will be flying some very empty planes judging by the UA seat maps (I see CRJ's on the route for first time I can ever remember to close it out).

I still can't get my head around the fact that UA gave up this route to Delta, even though with a measly 150 seats per day each way between two non-hubs, I don't think anyone in Chicago is losing too much sleep over such a route. I'm personally happy about this change because Delta flies newer planes and terminal A at Logan is terrific.


Maybe we can get DL to take over the CUN route also ! All they would have to do is mention it and UA will bail !


DL has a huge CUN weekend Point to Point network and I'm sure they'd gladly add CLE.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:18 pm

fun2fly wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
Maybe we can get DL to take over the CUN route also ! All they would have to do is mention it and UA will bail !


DL has a huge CUN weekend Point to Point network and I'm sure they'd gladly add CLE.


WN could add nonstop service to CUN from CLE on at least a seasonal, Saturday-only basis since WN already serves CUN nonstop from MDW, CMH, IND, MKE, PIT, and STL on at least a seasonal basis.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:49 pm

jplatts---just curious---do you work for WN or just a mega-fan? If WN is adding anything to CLE the need is MCI. Personally, I'd rather DL fly it, but would take any reliable (at least daily) carrier. But you're always plugging WN, so was juts wondering....
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:00 pm

greenair727 wrote:
jplatts---just curious---do you work for WN or just a mega-fan? If WN is adding anything to CLE the need is MCI. Personally, I'd rather DL fly it, but would take any reliable (at least daily) carrier. But you're always plugging WN, so was juts wondering....


I am just a big fan of WN, and I like the flexibility offered by WN on itinerary changes.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:24 pm

And there we have it. . . A scouting visit. I forget who made the comment above, but I agree with it. Whoever paid for those billboards was foolish, I’m sure Aer Lingus doesn’t want its route deliberations made public, and it’s not a good look.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/ ... eland.html
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:34 pm

ncflyer wrote:
And there we have it. . . A scouting visit. I forget who made the comment above, but I agree with it. Whoever paid for those billboards was foolish, I’m sure Aer Lingus doesn’t want its route deliberations made public, and it’s not a good look.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/ ... eland.html


Not saying putting up unofficial billboards without an airline's consent is in anyway "acceptable" or warranted, but I would like to hope that at the very least, there are now a handful of people (sure it could be a very small handful) who are at least a little more interested in this possible new service/possibly spreading the word around. I guess what I'm wondering/saying is that maybe a certain level of public interest could be helpful when an airline is still deliberating whether to add a route to a city. But I can definitely see drawbacks to that as well...

It is nice to know, however, that Cleveland is one of those 15 cities. In another article I read (see below), it said that EI was hoping to add most if not all of the 15 routes under consideration in the next five years. Hopefully this route comes about sooner rather than later.
https://www.hospitalityireland.com/aer- ... unch/71929
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:46 am

MCI to be added when NEW MCI is completed. No idea why that is.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:00 am

ncflyer wrote:
And there we have it. . . A scouting visit. I forget who made the comment above, but I agree with it. Whoever paid for those billboards was foolish, I’m sure Aer Lingus doesn’t want its route deliberations made public, and it’s not a good look.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/ ... eland.html


God I hope they didn’t show him/her our customs area!!!!!!!!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:02 am

Robert1010 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
And there we have it. . . A scouting visit. I forget who made the comment above, but I agree with it. Whoever paid for those billboards was foolish, I’m sure Aer Lingus doesn’t want its route deliberations made public, and it’s not a good look.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/ ... eland.html


God I hope they didn’t show him/her our customs area!!!!!!!!


No need to. DUB has US Customs pre-clearance.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:30 pm

CLEguy wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
And there we have it. . . A scouting visit. I forget who made the comment above, but I agree with it. Whoever paid for those billboards was foolish, I’m sure Aer Lingus doesn’t want its route deliberations made public, and it’s not a good look.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/ ... eland.html


God I hope they didn’t show him/her our customs area!!!!!!!!


No need to. DUB has US Customs pre-clearance.


Ah touche, how quickly I forgot about the 3hr check in procedure I had when I left there a few years ago ! Well that’s a plus !
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:24 am

Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:27 pm

LifetimeGS wrote:
MCI to be added when NEW MCI is completed. No idea why that is.

2023 at the earliest.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:42 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.


Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:07 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
LifetimeGS wrote:
MCI to be added when NEW MCI is completed. No idea why that is.

2023 at the earliest.


Added by who? DL? WN? Did an airline make that announcement?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:28 pm

Always wondered why they have such variety in CMH PIT IND CVG but CLE has had nothing but MD family to ATL for a while now. Must be a reason for it.


Robert1010 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.


Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:43 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
LifetimeGS wrote:
MCI to be added when NEW MCI is completed. No idea why that is.

2023 at the earliest.


Added by who? DL? WN? Did an airline make that announcement?

Both airlines are taking more gates in the new terminal.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:35 pm

Looks like CLE is getting CLEAR. https://www.clearme.com/ There are machines set up near the Central and South Checkpoints. Not sure when they will be turned on. Has anyone ever used the system?

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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:24 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Always wondered why they have such variety in CMH PIT IND CVG but CLE has had nothing but MD family to ATL for a while now. Must be a reason for it.


Robert1010 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.


Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!


Send old , aging metal to a old aging airport !
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:24 pm

Shake Shack is now open in the food court. This is Ohio's second location:

https://twitter.com/goingplacesCLE/stat ... 2639681536
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAS LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:39 am

CLEguy wrote:
Looks like CLE is getting CLEAR. https://www.clearme.com/ There are machines set up near the Central and South Checkpoints. Not sure when they will be turned on. Has anyone ever used the system?

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Asked the TSA agent today when passing through and he said 2-3 weeks...

I recently enrolled and have used it twice now... if your a DL FF flying a few times a month, absolutely.... for most folks that have precheck, not sure the value is really there... it’s not deployed broadly enough for most carriers other than DL & it saves you the precheck ID line... DL offers a reduced price for medallion members which offsets the cost, I wouldn’t have signed up without that and the fact that I switched to DL this year...
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:20 am

So a little random, but does anyone know why DL has a number of 752s routes through CLE? I’ve been through a few times since the start of the year and seem them fly out to Ord under 8900 flight numbers and then tonight I saw one parked down by fedex and checked only to find that 2 flew out to PHL and YYZ under 8900 numbers... Awesome that the business is robust, just curious why they have so many through Hopkins...
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:11 am

HPAEAA wrote:
So a little random, but does anyone know why DL has a number of 752s routes through CLE? I’ve been through a few times since the start of the year and seem them fly out to Ord under 8900 flight numbers and then tonight I saw one parked down by fedex and checked only to find that 2 flew out to PHL and YYZ under 8900 numbers... Awesome that the business is robust, just curious why they have so many through Hopkins...

Those are NBA charters. The Cavs were on DL8923 to PHL as they play the 76ers next. DL8942 was the Toronto Raptors heading back to YYZ.

CLEguy wrote:
Looks like CLE is getting CLEAR. https://www.clearme.com/ There are machines set up near the Central and South Checkpoints. Not sure when they will be turned on. Has anyone ever used the system?

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I wonder if CLE would be up for Mobile Passport, although it depends if summer-only KEF and sub-daily service to CUN and PUJ would be enough to justify it. PIT just got it in June and it looks like RDU has had it for a while now.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:22 am

Runway28L wrote:
I wonder if CLE would be up for Mobile Passport, although it depends if summer-only KEF and sub-daily service to CUN and PUJ would be enough to justify it. PIT just got it in June and it looks like RDU has had it for a while now.


Honestly not sure where the machines would fit in CLE's relatively small FIS. There are only 2 Global Entry kiosks now, and they hardly fit.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:33 am

CLEguy wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
I wonder if CLE would be up for Mobile Passport, although it depends if summer-only KEF and sub-daily service to CUN and PUJ would be enough to justify it. PIT just got it in June and it looks like RDU has had it for a while now.


Honestly not sure where the machines would fit in CLE's relatively small FIS. There are only 2 Global Entry kiosks now, and they hardly fit.


You don't need machines for mobile passport. At least I didn't when I used it in HOU. You just show them your cell phone screen.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:37 am

Jshank83 wrote:
CLEguy wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
I wonder if CLE would be up for Mobile Passport, although it depends if summer-only KEF and sub-daily service to CUN and PUJ would be enough to justify it. PIT just got it in June and it looks like RDU has had it for a while now.


Honestly not sure where the machines would fit in CLE's relatively small FIS. There are only 2 Global Entry kiosks now, and they hardly fit.


You don't need machines for mobile passport. At least I didn't when I used it in HOU. You just show them your cell phone screen.


Duh! I was thinking of Automated Passport Control machines. I've never used the mobile passport app, as I use Global Entry. Thanks for the clarification!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:59 am

Yep, no machines required for Mobile Passport. Just need your smartphone device to show CBP. All it would require is a separate lane for arriving passengers who want to use it. ;)
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:04 pm

 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:37 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.


Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!


Delta doesn’t typically fly 738’s/9’s on short, regional routes. The MD90 is perfect for the 1 to 1.5 hour segment.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:13 pm

N766UA wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.


Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!


Delta doesn’t typically fly 738’s/9’s on short, regional routes. The MD90 is perfect for the 1 to 1.5 hour segment.


Unless you're the pax...no DL inflight service love on the CLE>ATL route. 9x on any route is an impressive amount. So many DL ATL cities have similar frequencies.

With the addition of BOS, what are DL's gate plans at CLE? I know they do a lot of RON at Concourse A.

Separately, I saw an AA MD88/90 at Concourse D this week too. Is CLE really that low on gates?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm

fun2fly wrote:

Separately, I saw an AA MD88/90 at Concourse D this week too. Is CLE really that low on gates?


No, they just use that area in front of D for overnight and for maintenance. They actually had 2 MD80s parked there yesterday afternoon.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:05 pm

Aer Lingus should pick Cleveland to pick up passengers from surrounding cities. Pitt and Cleveland would work just fine together even though it would be great to see them in Indy or Cbus first.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:15 pm

fun2fly wrote:
With the addition of BOS, what are DL's gate plans at CLE? I know they do a lot of RON at Concourse A.


I was actually wondering if they might swap with the LCCs and move over to A to get a little breathing room.. Some of the A gates can double park aircraft which would give them more breathing room & it does have a bit more interior space than B.... Looking at the current summer schedule it looks like they probably have 11-12 RONs (of which 5 are mainline) but only need 5 or so gates at any one time - taking over some combination of the A gates might give them a bit more breathing room to run the current operation & add additional routes/frequencies.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:09 am

Not sure where you get that from given their schedules ATL to PIT CMH and IND. all 3 see 737-900.

N766UA wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Delta is adding a 9th CLE-ATL flight with the June schedule change. All MD-90s. I think that's a new high for them.


Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!


Delta doesn’t typically fly 738’s/9’s on short, regional routes. The MD90 is perfect for the 1 to 1.5 hour segment.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:37 am

ncflyer wrote:
Not sure where you get that from given their schedules ATL to PIT CMH and IND. all 3 see 737-900.

N766UA wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:

Possibly a direct result of diminishing ops at CAK! Wish they would start with the 738’s and 9s already !!


Delta doesn’t typically fly 738’s/9’s on short, regional routes. The MD90 is perfect for the 1 to 1.5 hour segment.


You are right about PIT/CMH, but ATL to IND is 10xMD88, only 739s are on weekends to position for the CUN flight
ORD & IND

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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:04 pm

I guess the most visible CLE impact of the Max grounding may be the Icelandair flights to KEF. I suspect FI will end the Max8 routes rather than try to spread the 757s around, assuming the grounding lasts into May.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:54 pm

Got an email from CLEAR today they they’re live in Cleveland and the central & south checkpoints.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:13 pm

HPAEAA wrote:
Got an email from CLEAR today they they’re live in Cleveland and the central & south checkpoints.


I asked about A and I was told they were planning machines a "A" Security as well. But, do you think that that is not really the case under the logic that, except for FI, all the carriers on A are LCCs and thus have more price-sensitive pax who are less likely to use CLEAR than those on DL (mostly) and on AA and UA? Or is it really some strange CLE management issue that they could give them space at B and C but 'not yet' at A?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:15 pm

masseybrown wrote:
I guess the most visible CLE impact of the Max grounding may be the Icelandair flights to KEF. I suspect FI will end the Max8 routes rather than try to spread the 757s around, assuming the grounding lasts into May.


How long are typical fleet groundings in the US? (I know they're not common.) If FI does not swap with 757s or the if the ban is not lifted, delays in their 2019 service to CLE that would be very bad for the city.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:27 pm

greenair727 wrote:
HPAEAA wrote:
Got an email from CLEAR today they they’re live in Cleveland and the central & south checkpoints.


I asked about A and I was told they were planning machines a "A" Security as well. But, do you think that that is not really the case under the logic that, except for FI, all the carriers on A are LCCs and thus have more price-sensitive pax who are less likely to use CLEAR than those on DL (mostly) and on AA and UA? Or is it really some strange CLE management issue that they could give them space at B and C but 'not yet' at A?

Honestly I don’t know why they would put them at A, Clear has to staff the machines so there would have to be a resonable number of people using it... as you mentioned, the LCCs may have more leisure travelers traveling a few time a year... at 179/year or 79/year for some medallion members it’s not a cheap solution...
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:09 pm

greenair727 wrote:
How long are typical fleet groundings in the US? (I know they're not common.) If FI does not swap with 757s or the if the ban is not lifted, delays in their 2019 service to CLE that would be very bad for the city.


I don't think there is a typical time. The 787 grounding was Jan 13 - Apr 16, 2013, a little over 3 months.

In the Max case, Boeing probably has already developed the software fix; so things could go faster. If the FAA doesn't approve the fix ... who knows?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:11 pm

HPAEAA wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
HPAEAA wrote:
Got an email from CLEAR today they they’re live in Cleveland and the central & south checkpoints.


I asked about A and I was told they were planning machines a "A" Security as well. But, do you think that that is not really the case under the logic that, except for FI, all the carriers on A are LCCs and thus have more price-sensitive pax who are less likely to use CLEAR than those on DL (mostly) and on AA and UA? Or is it really some strange CLE management issue that they could give them space at B and C but 'not yet' at A?

Honestly I don’t know why they would put them at A, Clear has to staff the machines so there would have to be a resonable number of people using it... as you mentioned, the LCCs may have more leisure travelers traveling a few time a year... at 179/year or 79/year for some medallion members it’s not a cheap solution...


I think we underestimate the avg. pax on F9, etc. If you have a house you bought in 2005 in RSW/TPA/PBI, etc, you were a UA loyalist flying them to RSW/TPA/PBI, etc. UA is gone...so, you going to connect or fly direct? Many people I talked to take F9 to save time so it's not all people w/o an extra $5 in their pocket.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:44 pm

fun2fly wrote:
HPAEAA wrote:
greenair727 wrote:

I asked about A and I was told they were planning machines a "A" Security as well. But, do you think that that is not really the case under the logic that, except for FI, all the carriers on A are LCCs and thus have more price-sensitive pax who are less likely to use CLEAR than those on DL (mostly) and on AA and UA? Or is it really some strange CLE management issue that they could give them space at B and C but 'not yet' at A?

Honestly I don’t know why they would put them at A, Clear has to staff the machines so there would have to be a resonable number of people using it... as you mentioned, the LCCs may have more leisure travelers traveling a few time a year... at 179/year or 79/year for some medallion members it’s not a cheap solution...


I think we underestimate the avg. pax on F9, etc. If you have a house you bought in 2005 in RSW/TPA/PBI, etc, you were a UA loyalist flying them to RSW/TPA/PBI, etc. UA is gone...so, you going to connect or fly direct? Many people I talked to take F9 to save time so it's not all people w/o an extra $5 in their pocket.

I don't disagree about the customer type fun2fly, but how often are they doing a back and forth to really make it worth while? That was my point - if your traveling 5 times a year, that would be approx 23 bucks per person, per use to shorten the ID check portion of the line if a couple had purchased membership. Note clear is only in MCO, FLL & MIA currently.

The one other factor I forgot about is Precheck availability - are there plans to add Precheck to A? B & C make complete sense since I suspect the majority of CLEAR members are also in Precheck.
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