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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:54 pm

With these one-stops I wonder if they will make CLE-PIT bookable:

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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:07 am

Ive never seen charters with stops in other cities before like that. Maybe it is common I just never noticed.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:07 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Ive never seen charters with stops in other cities before like that. Maybe it is common I just never noticed.


We did this flight in 2014 but went to CUN. Stopped in PIT for less than an hour. However, on the way back, we had to get off the plane in PIT, go through customs and then reboard.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:00 am

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Lots of adds up for the Alstar Game.



Do you mean ads or adds for the All Star Game? I don’t see anything in the way of extra sections next week. Dummy bookings on the next day after the game suggest lga and jfk very full but availability to other places seems fine. When CLE hosts the nfl draft I suspect that may be a different story. Doubt the ASG gets throngs of people without tickets
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:28 pm

Sorry ncflyer....didn't even think about that when I was writing it. Meant advertisements.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:26 pm

corn4ahead wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Ive never seen charters with stops in other cities before like that. Maybe it is common I just never noticed.


We did this flight in 2014 but went to CUN. Stopped in PIT for less than an hour. However, on the way back, we had to get off the plane in PIT, go through customs and then reboard.


I did exactly that back in the late 90’s, too. CLE-PIT-CUN on TransMeridian.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:49 pm

Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand.

Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly cheaply, nonstop, to Hawaii instead of say, Florida, or somewhere in the Southeast coast. The potential is huge!

Just a thought.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:26 pm

Nice fantasty. 2x per week. Why not?!

Speaking of long west bound flights it’s official that UA 3x daily to LAX is killed for the whole summer (probably Max related) only 2 daily now bookable. It was fun while it lasted.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:33 pm

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/hpa.htm

Hawaiian Pacific Airlines. Proposed HNL service from CLE and a good number of large/medium sized markets with 747 at varying frequency. Click to enlarge and see other side of showing intended schedule. Never got off the ground and never got the full story on this venture.

A B6 HNL service from CLE or maybe any other eastern city with these new planes seems unlikely, but if it were to ever happen it might likely be a B6, or another ULCC. There was a time American Trans Air had weekly CLE-HNL 707 charter service via 707. I flew it in early 80's.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:04 pm

There was also a UA 747 service, but I think it stopped at ORD. This was during Round 1 of UA's CLE hub.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:03 pm

avtcle wrote:
Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand.

Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly cheaply, nonstop, to Hawaii instead of say, Florida, or somewhere in the Southeast coast. The potential is huge!

Just a thought.


No way would I want to fly five to seven hours cramped in a frontier plane.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:06 pm

Delta28L wrote:
avtcle wrote:
Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand.

Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly cheaply, nonstop, to Hawaii instead of say, Florida, or somewhere in the Southeast coast. The potential is huge!

Just a thought.


No way would I want to fly five to seven hours cramped in a frontier plane.

Crammed into plastic seats, Greyhound bus more comfortable...I agee, at least that 707 charter I went on CLE-OAK-HNL had what seemed normal seating of the early 80's and lots of booze
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:41 pm

avtcle wrote:
Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand.

Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly cheaply, nonstop, to Hawaii instead of say, Florida, or somewhere in the Southeast coast. The potential is huge!

Just a thought.



As they say "back in the day" that United Airlines Boeing 747 CLE-ORD-HNL flight was quite an experience up-front with Red Carpet service. Less talked about were Northwest Airlines flights connecting through MSP.

Airbus' A321XLR is being received by the flying public as some magical flying carpet. First of all the 4,563 statute mile distance-- westbound-- from Cleveland to Honolulu is most likely beyond its range given necessary fuel reserves for the overwater flight. Delta's 767 flights from Detroit to Honolulu are blocking the trip at nearly 9.5 hours. On other technical threads I've been reading discussions on the A321XLR's gross weight versus its wing loading and what initial cruise altitudes it would result in (and fuel flows). At heart the A321 aerodynamically was designed as a short-to-medium Mach .78 airliner, not an ocean rover to quote the name of an old Pan Am 747. More problematic and somewhat picking at minutiae, the A321 is pressurized to around 7.9 psi differential which is far below that of longer range aircraft like the Boeing 787 and A350. The argument is that after 7-8 hours passengers would be left feeling more fatigued according to physicians interviewed.

But it would be wonderful if Cleveland to Honolulu through service were offered again!
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:23 am

Delta28L wrote:
avtcle wrote:
Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand.

Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly cheaply, nonstop, to Hawaii instead of say, Florida, or somewhere in the Southeast coast. The potential is huge!

Just a thought.


No way would I want to fly five to seven hours cramped in a frontier plane.


If Frontier does plan on starting longer flights, in the ballpark of 6-7 hours, they’d almost undoubtedly redesign their economy product on designated aircraft. If that is their plan with the A321XLRs then we may see an improved cabin on those aircraft. They have plenty of time to think about it.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:46 am

UA has scheduled a third CLE-SFO for the last week or so of August. What's that about?
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:29 pm

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UA has scheduled a third CLE-SFO for the last week or so of August. What's that about?


Maybe a test for next summer — would be great to see both LAX & SFO 3x daily for summer 2020!
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:50 pm

Unusual week to be doing that. School’s back in session in Northeast Ohio at least. And the max shortage is still a thing.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:08 pm

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Unusual week to be doing that. School’s back in session in Northeast Ohio at least. And the max shortage is still a thing.


That may be the intent. End of August is a slow time for leisure flights so they probably are looking for more profitable places to position those planes for the week. CLE-SFO is a business heavy market so school being in session won’t really bear a significant effect.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:27 pm

United is also adding a 2nd afternoon flight to MCO on Saturdays beginning October 4, 2019. Looks like the 2nd Saturday flight will be mainline through October but switch to regional E-175 service in November. Unclear if it will extend into December and beyond like last year.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:15 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Unusual week to be doing that. School’s back in session in Northeast Ohio at least. And the max shortage is still a thing.


There's a VM World convention at the Moscone Center. That's all I can come up with.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:03 am

avtcle wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
avtcle wrote:
Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand.

Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly cheaply, nonstop, to Hawaii instead of say, Florida, or somewhere in the Southeast coast. The potential is huge!

Just a thought.


No way would I want to fly five to seven hours cramped in a frontier plane.


If Frontier does plan on starting longer flights, in the ballpark of 6-7 hours, they’d almost undoubtedly redesign their economy product on designated aircraft. If that is their plan with the A321XLRs then we may see an improved cabin on those aircraft. They have plenty of time to think about it.



Imagine if Cleveland was among Frontier’s first cities to get A321XLR routes which could resemble JetBlue’s Mint product. That would be huge! Hawaii or even TATL...or at least transcon (Pac-NW?!) routes for starters. Just wishful thinking...
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:41 pm

Groyd wrote:
avtcle wrote:
Delta28L wrote:

No way would I want to fly five to seven hours cramped in a frontier plane.


If Frontier does plan on starting longer flights, in the ballpark of 6-7 hours, they’d almost undoubtedly redesign their economy product on designated aircraft. If that is their plan with the A321XLRs then we may see an improved cabin on those aircraft. They have plenty of time to think about it.



Imagine if Cleveland was among Frontier’s first cities to get A321XLR routes which could resemble JetBlue’s Mint product. That would be huge! Hawaii or even TATL...or at least transcon (Pac-NW?!) routes for starters. Just wishful thinking...


Hawaii sounds expensive for an F9 ticket... Maybe CLE-KEF, connect on a WIZZ air codeshare?
Can someone please start a wikipedia list of failed startup airlines? I am interested in seeing just how long it would be...
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:06 am

Didn’t notice any extra capacity or equipment upgrades for tomorrow morning out of CLE , but did see there are 2 DL 752’s scheduled BKL-BOS early this morn ! Not sure what that’s about !
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:39 am

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Didn’t notice any extra capacity or equipment upgrades for tomorrow morning out of CLE , but did see there are 2 DL 752’s scheduled BKL-BOS early this morn ! Not sure what that’s about !


Probably MLB charters.
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:56 am

SgtBarone wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
Didn’t notice any extra capacity or equipment upgrades for tomorrow morning out of CLE , but did see there are 2 DL 752’s scheduled BKL-BOS early this morn ! Not sure what that’s about !


Probably MLB charters.

I figured that bit just for a few players here and there ???????
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:17 am

My moneys on charters to NY. A lot of media and TV production from that way. I tried dummy bookings on UA tomorrow and they’re mostly sold out everywhere other than first class seats. LGA and EWR full.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:55 am

Both scheduled to go back to BOS just after midnight. DL 8884 and 8898.
Aircraft Flown: SF3 DH8 DH4 328 ERJ CRJ CR7 CR9 E70 E75 D9S M80 712 72S 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 739ER 752 318 319 32
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:02 pm

How are the security lines at Hopkins doing? Just media hype about getting to the airport 3 hours before a flight or actually good advice? Also, too bad no additional capacity added.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:12 pm

CLE put out numbers through April. Total traffic 3.009 million - up 3.66% YOY; total cargo up 6.52%

https://www.clevelandairport.com/about-us/facts-figures
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:42 pm

How you read their chart? There are two columns for 2019 at the left, then one for 2018. Which is the correct April 2019 number and what is the other column?
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:01 pm

greenair727 wrote:
How you read their chart? There are two columns for 2019 at the left, then one for 2018. Which is the correct April 2019 number and what is the other column?


It is confusing this month. I think the headers on the first 3 columns of the passenger results should say April 2019, March 2019, April 2018, respectively. So the pax totals show a decline from March to April 2019, but an increase from April 2018 to April 2019. Make sense?
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Yes, that makes sense, thanks. I wish the city wasn't so sloppy about these things.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:03 pm

greenair727 wrote:
How are the security lines at Hopkins doing? Just media hype about getting to the airport 3 hours before a flight or actually good advice? Also, too bad no additional capacity added.


According to TSA, wait times have remained under 20 minutes, even during peak times:

https://twitter.com/TSAMedia_MarkH/stat ... 5072166913
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:09 pm

CLEguy wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
How you read their chart? There are two columns for 2019 at the left, then one for 2018. Which is the correct April 2019 number and what is the other column?


It is confusing this month. I think the headers on the first 3 columns of the passenger results should say April 2019, March 2019, April 2018, respectively. So the pax totals show a decline from March to April 2019, but an increase from April 2018 to April 2019. Make sense?


Correct. More interesting numbers are in the landings and landed weight lines. Total landings were down a bit (-0.44%) while landed weight was up 3.23% - showing the use of bigger planes.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:30 am

10,000,000 passengers looks achievable this year... If the airport is somewhere in the ballpark of 4-5% increase over 2018 by years end they should be comfortably over that mark.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:26 am

Copied from tphuang in the JetBlue Network thread:

"FLL numbers from Q1
CityPair Dist Carrier Board AvgFare NSFare ConnFare % NS PerFlight # Flights LF Yield PRASM Vs B6
FLLCLE 1062 B6 022639 153.20 152.63 385.62 99.76% 153.3 174 84.89% 129.56 0.1220 100.00%
FLLCLE 1062 NK 030808 081.67 080.84 092.80 93.09% 178.1 190 91.04% 073.60 0.0693 56.81%
FLLCLE 1062 UA 025956 180.99 178.78 207.06 92.18% 162.7 179 89.12% 159.34 0.1500 122.98%
Their yield here is a up close to 10% YoY. Their gap with UA shrunk, but UA also increased capacity here. More importantly against NK, their gap decreased slightly. NK is adding capacity here for next winter and I believe F9 is also entering this route. The current yield level is quite profitable for B6, but they risk losing out to NK if they remain stagnant here. I would think this is an obvious A220 route down the road if they want to add a second flight."

I figured UA's Florida flying was mileage-burning to keep Cleveland FFs flying UA internationally. Wrong, going by their PRASM on CLE-FLL. UA must have the Clinic contract.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:57 pm

The Boot that keeps on kicking.

Conference 'expert' says Cleveland will probably never attract an out-of-area corporate headquarters because UA pulled the hub. I guess that makes Ohio's two other C's SOL, too.

https://www.crainscleveland.com/stan-bu ... -selectors
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:19 pm

I will also post BOS-CLE numbers here
CityPair Dist Carrier Board AvgFare NSFare ConnFare % NS SeatPerFlight Flights LF Yield PRASM Vs B6
BOSCLE 563 B6 38077 120.49 120.49 0.00 100.00% 100.5 451 84.02% 101.24 0.1798 100.00%
BOSCLE 563 DL 8497 127.13 119.20 160.03 80.57% 75.6 149 75.39% 89.86 0.1596 88.77%
BOSCLE 563 UA 10692 181.92 168.37 280.54 87.92% 50.0 270 79.20% 133.35 0.2369 131.72%

It's actually still not too clear to me why UA felt like they needed to drop out of this route, since it appeared like they were the high fare carrier here. Given that neither BOS/CLE are major connecting point for them, I would imagine this is a high O&D route, so the yield looked pretty good to me given that. UA must have been capturing the majority of CLE point of sale. I think B6 will take the UA/DL swap anyday, since they are going to be high fare carrier here going forward now that CLE side is not mostly captured by UA.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:12 pm

tphuang wrote:
I will also post BOS-CLE numbers here
CityPair Dist Carrier Board AvgFare NSFare ConnFare % NS SeatPerFlight Flights LF Yield PRASM Vs B6
BOSCLE 563 B6 38077 120.49 120.49 0.00 100.00% 100.5 451 84.02% 101.24 0.1798 100.00%
BOSCLE 563 DL 8497 127.13 119.20 160.03 80.57% 75.6 149 75.39% 89.86 0.1596 88.77%
BOSCLE 563 UA 10692 181.92 168.37 280.54 87.92% 50.0 270 79.20% 133.35 0.2369 131.72%

It's actually still not too clear to me why UA felt like they needed to drop out of this route, since it appeared like they were the high fare carrier here. Given that neither BOS/CLE are major connecting point for them, I would imagine this is a high O&D route, so the yield looked pretty good to me given that. UA must have been capturing the majority of CLE point of sale. I think B6 will take the UA/DL swap anyday, since they are going to be high fare carrier here going forward now that CLE side is not mostly captured by UA.


Thanks for posting. It's never very clear in Cleveland why UA does what it does.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:56 pm

avtcle wrote:
10,000,000 passengers looks achievable this year... If the airport is somewhere in the ballpark of 4-5% increase over 2018 by years end they should be comfortably over that mark.


I wouldn’t say “comfortably.” There’s nowhere to park, lines are often down the hall and out the door, and nobody knows where the eff the shuttles are... but other than that. :lol:
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:06 pm

N766UA wrote:
avtcle wrote:
10,000,000 passengers looks achievable this year... If the airport is somewhere in the ballpark of 4-5% increase over 2018 by years end they should be comfortably over that mark.


I wouldn’t say “comfortably.” There’s nowhere to park, lines are often down the hall and out the door, and nobody knows where the eff the shuttles are... but other than that. :lol:


Can’t necessarily fault the airport or city for that. There’s no room to expand any type of parking at Hopkins — they have an extremely limited space to work with. Clearly isn’t stalling passenger growth.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:25 pm

avtcle wrote:
N766UA wrote:
avtcle wrote:
10,000,000 passengers looks achievable this year... If the airport is somewhere in the ballpark of 4-5% increase over 2018 by years end they should be comfortably over that mark.


I wouldn’t say “comfortably.” There’s nowhere to park, lines are often down the hall and out the door, and nobody knows where the eff the shuttles are... but other than that. :lol:


Can’t necessarily fault the airport or city for that. There’s no room to expand any type of parking at Hopkins — they have an extremely limited space to work with. Clearly isn’t stalling passenger growth.

Agreed, it’s not really impacting growth, but they could have put up some garages in the surface lots rather than just covering them or replaced the long term garage with another garage which would have increased capacity...
1.4mm and counting...
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 pm

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Can’t necessarily fault the airport or city for that. There’s no room to expand any type of parking at Hopkins — they have an extremely limited space to work with.


What? It was the city (Ricky Smith) that eliminated 1000s of on-airport parking spaces just a few years ago. He tore down the long term parking garage that had 2000-3000 spaces and replaced it with a surface lot that has a 500 or so spaces.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:30 pm

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Can’t necessarily fault the airport or city for that.


Incorrect and yes you absolutely can.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:53 pm

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avtcle wrote:
Can’t necessarily fault the airport or city for that.


Incorrect and yes you absolutely can.



The airport said they are addressing parking issues in the master plan as passenger growth is expected to continue. But first, everyone needs to understand that Cleveland Hopkins was never designed to handle the type of traffic it is today. The airport was virtually built around connecting traffic. If you would’ve told me that just 4 years after the hub closure we’d had 9,000,000+ O&D passengers per year I would’ve thought that was crazy. Even when United still operated their hub here, only about 60% of traffic was O&D, so parking wasn’t an issue. Foreseeing that United would keep its hub here, removing the garage made sense. The airport simply wasn’t prepared for it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clevel ... utType=amp
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:00 am

Speaking of master plan— shouldn’t a vendor have been picked by now? Seems to be a long process— how many qualified vendors could there even be in this world?

. Or maybe I missed it.

Parking is one of many problems that really needs to be solved. To that list I’d add what to do with D, the rental cars being in Toledo, international arrivals, shuttle pickup situation, and many more issues.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:14 am

March 2019 numbers are out! Here's a list of CLE LF's

03-2019

Frontier Airlines
CLE-SAN: 90%
CLE-TPA: 96%
CLE-RSW: 95%
CLE-MCO: 96%
CLE-PBI: 88%
CLE-DEN: 95%
CLE-SRQ: 95%
CLE-PHX: 94%
CLE-LAS: 97%

Spirit Airlines
CLE-TPA: 97%
CLE-RSW: 96%
CLE-MCO: 98%
CLE-MSY: 74%
CLE-LAX: 98%
CLE-LAS: 97%
CLE-ATL: 92%

Southwest Airlines
CLE-TPA: 86%
CLE-MCO: 89%
CLE-MKE: 74%
CLE-BNA: 87%
CLE-STL: 86%
CLE-MDW: 76%
CLE-DEN: 94%
CLE-LAS: 93%
CLE-PHX: 92%
CLE-RSW: 80%
CLE-ATL: 91%
CLE-BWI: 82%

Delta Airlines:
CLE-BOS: 80%
CLE-MCO: 96%
CLE-ATL: 88%
CLE-MSP: 87%
CLE-SLC: 90%
CLE-BDL: 65%
CLE-RDU: 74%
CLE-JFK: 72%
CLE-LGA: 64%
CLE-DTW: 76%

United Airlines:
CLE-BOS: 78%
CLE-DEN: 88%
CLE-TPA: 87%
CLE-SFO: 70%
CLE-DCA: 73%
CLE-RSW: 96%
CLE-LAX: 90%
CLE-MCO: 95%
CLE-EWR: 87%
CLE-IAH: 86%
CLE-IAD: 91%
CLE-FLL: 96%
CLE-LGA: 70%
CLE-ORD: 84%

Allegiant Airlines
CLE-SAV: 83%
CLE-PGD: 95%
CLE-SFB: 95%
CLE-PIE: 94%
CLE-JAX: 86%

JetBlue Airways
CLE-FLL: 93%
CLE-BOS: 86%

American Airlines
CLE-MIA: 94%
CLE-CLT: 91%
CLE-DFW: 82%
CLE-PHL: 83%
CLE-ORD: 75%
CLE-JFK: 71%
CLE-LGA: 67%
 
greenair727
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:27 am

^Interesting, thanks. LGA stands out for all airlines as surprisingly low LF. Perhaps the high capacity accounts for this, sustained by relatively high fares? Also surprising was United Airlines: CLE-SFO: 70%. Why so low? What's not surprising: United Airlines: CLE-BOS: 78%--and they drop the route.....as this is, after all, UA.
 
fun2fly
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:14 am

ncflyer wrote:
Speaking of master plan— shouldn’t a vendor have been picked by now? Seems to be a long process— how many qualified vendors could there even be in this world?

. Or maybe I missed it.

Parking is one of many problems that really needs to be solved. To that list I’d add what to do with D, the rental cars being in Toledo, international arrivals, shuttle pickup situation, and many more issues.


I appreciate the value of a master plan when it comes to terminals, onsite hotels, etc. What is ridiculous, however, is that CLE cannot move forward with replacing the long term lot with the aforementioned 2,000-3,000 spots. There is very little risk in adding that capacity (no new terminal is going there) and it's infrastructure shares the existing parking garages which are relatively new and not going anywhere. If they did add the garage, they'd also lower the $1bn price tag allowing for less sticker shock.
 
pmanni1
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:41 am

CLE-MKE: 74%
I wonder how long WN will keep this around. Odd spoke to spoke pairing to begin with.

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