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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:10 pm

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CCF London 200 beds. Small potatoes.


In my experience it won't be the bed-count that drives CLE-UK travel it will be biotech R&D. The research world strongly emphasizes international collaboration these days; it's certified grant bait. CCF and its biotech spinoffs will develop a nexus with UK institutions generated by the hospital's presence. The travel volume won't be instant-on, but it will build significantly over time.

With two IAG airlines kicking CLE's tires, it increases the odds of selection. For a start, though, we'll only get one - BA or EI; no chance of both (unlike the Icelanders).
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:20 pm

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Behaving as a region could make CLE/PIT a lot more formidable to route selection, now we're talking some big population.


Great argument for high-speed rail. That Chicago-Cleveland-Pittsburgh idea isn't a bad one; it could proabaly be build more cheaply that the "Gateway Tunnel" into NYC, which at last count was over $13 billion and rising.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:53 am

Aircraft changes coming for CLE-ATL very soon!

Starting Saturday Delta will be swapping 3 of its daily ATL flights, that are typically MD-88/90, to Boeing 737-900 + 800 aircraft. Once the schedule is in full swing next week, the first 2 morning departures will operate with a Boeing 737-924ER, while the last evening departure will operate with a Boeing 737-800.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:01 am

avtcle wrote:
Aircraft changes coming for CLE-ATL very soon!

Starting Saturday Delta will be swapping 3 of its daily ATL flights, that are typically MD-88/90, to Boeing 737-900 + 800 aircraft. Once the schedule is in full swing next week, the first 2 morning departures will operate with a Boeing 737-924ER, while the last evening departure will operate with a Boeing 737-800.


That’s a big deal! CLE>ATL has been pretty exclusively T-tails for decades.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:07 am

The -900 has 20 more seats 4 in first. The -800 2 more seats, same in first compared to the MD90. Significant? Ehhhh. Nice to have variety on the route that PIT CMH IND have had for years? For sure.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Seeing the significance simply in the fact that Delta has served ATL from CLE with exclusively Maddogs for decades, and now the phase out has finally begun!
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pm

avtcle wrote:
Seeing the significance simply in the fact that Delta has served ATL from CLE with exclusively Maddogs for decades, and now the phase out has finally begun!


It’s a significant upgrade for the pax experience with the amenities offered and surely the noise in the cabin
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:04 pm

avtcle wrote:
Aircraft changes coming for CLE-ATL very soon!

Starting Saturday Delta will be swapping 3 of its daily ATL flights, that are typically MD-88/90, to Boeing 737-900 + 800 aircraft. Once the schedule is in full swing next week, the first 2 morning departures will operate with a Boeing 737-924ER, while the last evening departure will operate with a Boeing 737-800.



Just flew in on a MD-90 last night from ATL… Terrible flight. In Economy Plus, still had ZERO legroom in 13E. Not sure what was up with that flight. It serious felt like 30” pitch going on, versus the 33-34” or whatever it should have been.

The other three legs on the 717 (11E) and MD-90 going to ATL (in 12E) had more legroom at least. Not sure what is up with the last aircraft I was on, though. Along with the lack of any legroom, weird overhead light (hard to see out window due to reflections), uncomfortable temps in the cabin… Just not pleasant at all. Couldn’t wait to get off the plane.

I’d take a 737 any day over the MD’s… So that’s good news.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:58 pm

A number of routes are going through equipment/service changes in Cleveland as we near the beginning of the 4th quarter of 2019.
(*) asterisk indicates new/expanded service

Delta Airlines:
DL2636 CLE-ATL: Switching from MD-90 to Boeing 737-900 eff. Monday September 2, 2019
DL2530 CLE-ATL: Switching from MD-90 to Boeing 737-900 eff. Monday September 2, 2019
DL2745 CLE-ATL: Switching from MD-90 to Boeing 737-800 eff. Monday September 2, 2019
DL5886 CLE-BOS: Switching from CRJ-900 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday September 2, 2019

United Airlines
*UA258 CLE-MCO (Additional Saturday-only flight): Boeing 737-900 eff. Saturday October 5, 2019
*UA3456 CLE-MCO (Additional Saturday-only flight) Switching from Boeing 737-900 to ERJ-175 eff. Saturday November 2, 2019
*UA3513 CLE-RSW (Saturday-only): Embraer ERJ-170 eff. Saturday November 2, 2019
UA374 CLE-IAD: Switching from ERJ-175 to Boeing 737-700 eff. Monday October 7, 2019
UA2245 CLE-IAD: Switching from ERJ-175 to Boeing 737-900 eff. Monday October 7, 2019
UA1416 CLE-RSW: Switching from Boeing 737-800 to Boeing 737-900 eff. Thursday February 13, 2020

American Airlines
AA1847 CLE-PHL: Switching from Embraer ERJ-175 to Airbus A319 eff. Monday September 2, 2019
AA4421 CLE-MIA: Switching from Embraer ERJ-145 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday September 9, 2019
AA4666 CLE-MIA: Switching from Embraer ERJ-145 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:20 pm

^Great list, thanks. And in all cases, except CRJ-900 to ERJ-175, changes to larger equipment.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:24 am

avtcle wrote:
AA4421 CLE-MIA: Switching from Embraer ERJ-145 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday September 9, 2019
AA4666 CLE-MIA: Switching from Embraer ERJ-145 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday


Especially glad for this one. That is a long route to be on the ERJ-145.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:22 pm

Glad to see the DL is going to switch to 737-900s. Hopefully AA will quit using their MD-80's into CLE. Those two planes have got to be the loudest planes on take off as well as landing...especially in these days of Stage 3 noise compliance
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:39 pm

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Glad to see the DL is going to switch to 737-900s. Hopefully AA will quit using their MD-80's into CLE. Those two planes have got to be the loudest planes on take off as well as landing...especially in these days of Stage 3 noise compliance


You got your wish. AA's final scheduled MD-80 flight to CLE is September 4th.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:22 pm

Last AA MD-80 flt is 9/4....suddenly the Metroparks got quieter!!!!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:24 am

AA is subbing a 738 on the MIA to CLE and back to MIA on 9/22 for one flight
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:30 am

Never thought I'd get excited by growth measured in # of seats and plane size rather than # of flights and destinations....lol
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:09 am

avtcle wrote:
Aircraft changes coming for CLE-ATL very soon!

Starting Saturday Delta will be swapping 3 of its daily ATL flights, that are typically MD-88/90, to Boeing 737-900 + 800 aircraft. Once the schedule is in full swing next week, the first 2 morning departures will operate with a Boeing 737-924ER, while the last evening departure will operate with a Boeing 737-800.


"the first 2 morning departures will operate with a Boeing 737-924ER"

Isn't the Boeing customer code -X24 Continental's? I think Delta's is -X32. Or did CO/UA give up some 739s? I hadn't heard about that.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:05 am

Numerical mistake on my end. 737-932ER.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:32 pm

Summary of Cleveland changes from enilria's weekly OAG thread:

*AA CLE-JFK NOV 1.2>0.7[3] DEC 2>0.5[3]
AA CLE-PHL DEC 6>4[5]
UA CLE-FLL FEB 0.7>1.0[1.0] MAR 0.8>1.0[1.1]
UA CLE-IAH MAR 5>4[5] APR 5>4[5] MAY 5>4[5] JUN 5>4[5]
WN CLE-PHX NOV 0.6>0.4[1.0]


What is AA doing? JFK is still a major int'l point of departure, particularly for smaller int'l carriers that only serve the US via JFK. And no BA flight---that rumor clearly did not come to fruition.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:06 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Summary of Cleveland changes from enilria's weekly OAG thread:
What is AA doing?


Holiday cuts? Both NYC (LGA+JFK) and PHL show 6 dailies in Jan and out months.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:28 am

As usual I got all excited by a potential upgrade in #seats (YIPPIE)...the typical destiny of non-hub airports
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:17 pm

United has a nice display at the air show with one of their new livery 737s.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:58 pm

What wasn’t so nice was that they closed it at 3 yesterday because they had to get outta there as soon as the show was over...lol
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:59 am

Some route news: Spirit resumes flights from CLE to TPA & RSW this week — a very early return for what was dubbed as a “winter” route. Great to see!

Also, looks like AA is shifting their 6AM departure to LGA to an E175, as opposed to the current E140. Trying to take on Delta by adding a first class product?

I’d hope to see United Express (ExpressJet) deploy some of their new E175s on their CLE-LGA & CLE-DCA routes. LGA & DCA are always a strong performer for UAX, especially given the frequency. They’d be much more attractive with a first class option! Also it would just make operational sense considering ExpressJet has a pretty sizable base here that has plenty of room to grow.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:10 am

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Some route news: Spirit resumes flights from CLE to TPA & RSW this week — a very early return for what was dubbed as a “winter” route. Great to see!

Also, looks like AA is shifting their 6AM departure to LGA to an E175, as opposed to the current E140. Trying to take on Delta by adding a first class product?

I’d hope to see United Express (ExpressJet) deploy some of their new E175s on their CLE-LGA & CLE-DCA routes. LGA & DCA are always a strong performer for UAX, especially given the frequency. They’d be much more attractive with a first class option! Also it would just make operational sense considering ExpressJet has a pretty sizable base here that has plenty of room to grow.


Good news for AA, but until they have a competitive schedule and similar reliability it’s grasping at straws... at some points they have 2x the cancellation rate with 1/2 the options..
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:26 am

You have to remember that CLE to LGA is a more competitive market than most. You have Delta at 6x daily with all 70+ seat aircraft, American at 4x daily, and United at 5x daily. That’s 15 daily flights to LGA spread between 3 airlines. American really has no reason to expand this route as long as United is in the picture... which I can’t see them abandoning CLE-LGA or DCA at any point. Those are valuable slots and they really have nothing else to use them for.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:11 am

invertalon wrote:
avtcle wrote:
Aircraft changes coming for CLE-ATL very soon!

Starting Saturday Delta will be swapping 3 of its daily ATL flights, that are typically MD-88/90, to Boeing 737-900 + 800 aircraft. Once the schedule is in full swing next week, the first 2 morning departures will operate with a Boeing 737-924ER, while the last evening departure will operate with a Boeing 737-800.



Just flew in on a MD-90 last night from ATL… Terrible flight. In Economy Plus, still had ZERO legroom in 13E. Not sure what was up with that flight. It serious felt like 30” pitch going on, versus the 33-34” or whatever it should have been.

The other three legs on the 717 (11E) and MD-90 going to ATL (in 12E) had more legroom at least. Not sure what is up with the last aircraft I was on, though. Along with the lack of any legroom, weird overhead light (hard to see out window due to reflections), uncomfortable temps in the cabin… Just not pleasant at all. Couldn’t wait to get off the plane.

I’d take a 737 any day over the MD’s… So that’s good news.



Sounds like you were on the wrong airliner. DL doesn't even have Economy Plus. DL's version is called Comfort + :)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:01 am

It’s been a mystery to me why AA reinstated CLE lga. Bad schedule bad aircraft esp compared to Delta so this is very welcome at least they are paying attention. Load factors to lga have been mediocre for all but yields must be ok.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:23 pm

ncflyer wrote:
It’s been a mystery to me why AA reinstated CLE lga. Bad schedule bad aircraft esp compared to Delta so this is very welcome at least they are paying attention. Load factors to lga have been mediocre for all but yields must be ok.


I'm booked on an LGA-CLE flight and less than a week out it is less than half full. By contrast, a CLE-PHL flight on this same itinerary was nearly full.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:44 pm

Speaking of which, Another mystery is why CLE AA service is so lousy to Philly— there isn’t more demand between the two cities? Many frequencies are on EMB 145– whereas only two class service planes CVG CMH IND or PIT to Philly. No 50 seaters on those routes.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:37 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Speaking of which, Another mystery is why CLE AA service is so lousy to Philly— there isn’t more demand between the two cities? Many frequencies are on EMB 145– whereas only two class service planes CVG CMH IND or PIT to Philly. No 50 seaters on those routes.


I mean I wouldn’t consider the CLE-PHL market as lousy. The early morning departure is an A319 and the rest are E145/175s. You also have to consider how United still maintains control of the east coast market from Cleveland. PHL, EWR, JFK are mainly connection points for passengers coming from CLE, and United has certainly maintained control of a lot of that connecting traffic — reflected by their high number of mainline flights front CLE to EWR/IAD.

You can make the same argument for UA service from CVG/CMH/IND to EWR or IAD. It’s all regional and limited in frequency because other airlines have control of that east coast traffic.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:41 pm

AC is getting smart about CLE-YYZ fares. The morning, midday, and evening flights are $414; the 3:55PM is $925. They don't want local traffic bumping European on this one.

Of course they could add another flight or use a bigger plane. :o
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:49 pm

masseybrown wrote:
AC is getting smart about CLE-YYZ fares. The morning, midday, and evening flights are $414; the 3:55PM is $925. They don't want local traffic bumping European on this one.

Of course they could add another flight or use a bigger plane. :o


Another flight? Bigger plane? Blasphemy! :lol:
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:23 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AC on the CLE-YYZ run has to be (by far) the most expensive per mile (217 miles - 39 Min) flight out of CLE. Back when I used to book flights for my employer, CLE-LGA one day travel round trips used to occasionally exceed $1100. Those fares have fallen with more competition. CLE-DTW was high too but you could get a limo for less so we'd drive people instead.
It would be interesting to see what would happen in that market if Frontier or Spirit ran a flight.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:41 pm

MohawkWeekend wrote:
It would be interesting to see what would happen in that market if Frontier or Spirit ran a flight.


AC would probably cancel three of the four flights, leaving only the int'l connection operating. Canada has been very successful, however, at keeping ULCCs out.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:49 pm

Their fares are really astounding especially when the cities are so drivable. Sometimes I note it’s only $100 or $200 more to get all the way to Europe or Asia via YYZ on AC compared to just getting to YyZ. I get the pricing strategy but it sure is frustrating.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:13 pm

WOW Air is coming back! The airline has already secured 2 Airbus A321s — Flights are slated to resume next month with service from Washington-Dulles to Reykjavik. Many other routes under consideration as the airline grows its fleet to a planned 10-12 airplanes by next year. Would love to see them back in Cleveland in Aer Lingus doesn’t take a chance on us!

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/wow- ... n-october/
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:53 am

avtcle wrote:
WOW Air is coming back! The airline has already secured 2 Airbus A321s — Flights are slated to resume next month with service from Washington-Dulles to Reykjavik. Many other routes under consideration as the airline grows its fleet to a planned 10-12 airplanes by next year. Would love to see them back in Cleveland in Aer Lingus doesn’t take a chance on us!

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/wow- ... n-october/

If they want to come, that great, but I wouldn’t offer them anything other than the most basic incentives. Save the real $ for someone who might stick around for more than a year.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:32 am

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It’s been a mystery to me why AA reinstated CLE lga. Bad schedule bad aircraft esp compared to Delta so this is very welcome at least they are paying attention. Load factors to lga have been mediocre for all but yields must be ok.


I suspect it was corporate contracts which got them back in the game, very few folks are willing to connect on the route and yields are pretty high, even at 250/rt the RASM would be about .22 cents (assuming 50 in taxes). We don’t know the mix, booking within 14 days is usually closer to 350 and within 7 is closer to 450 in my experience. I suspect despite the lower load factor, prices are making up for it.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:18 pm

Biked around downtown this AM to checkout the Browns activity. I actually saw a take off at Burke which is almost newsworthy in itself, I bike there all the time and it’s a rarity— but the real reason I’m posting— Burke is essentially unusable during browns games. I had to walk my bike because of pedestrian traffic in that area. Cars were backed up far down E9th pulling in to parking lots. A cop directing traffic was literally cursing drivers. This was at 10:30 well before kickoff. Granted it’s only 8 home games a year but those of you wanting more commercial service at Burke—even by WN— i don’t see how it’s workable. Tailgating revenue might be more lucrative to BKL anyway. . .
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:00 pm

"Burke is essentially unusable during browns games."

Why is this?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:03 pm

I thought I explain explained it. The roads are completely jam packed with cars and pedestrians, best I can tell for many, many hours. Fine for the handful of people who normally use Burke not so fine if there was any kind of commercial operation— like those on the thread who have talked about WN adding Burke. The air field itself is fine— I don’t know if a full stadium limits the direction of take offs and landings but that would be easy to overcome.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:15 pm

greenair727 wrote:
"Burke is essentially unusable during browns games."

Why is this?


Might be a no flyzone over the stadium for security purpose since you take off parallel with the stadium. Plus it would be a hassle trying to navigate traffic before and after the game.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:46 pm

I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to judge the legitimacy of an airport based on 8 Sundays per year. Burke is still accessible during a Browns game, but it may require a detour to get to when there’s a Browns game/road closures. I’m certainly not banking on the idea that’s Burke will ever become a heavy commercial airport, but it does add a perk to this city that not a lot of other have. There aren’t many cities in the US where you can be off the plane and to a meeting in 5 minutes. It’s important to the business community, and is honestly one of the main reasons Ultimate Air Shuttle succeeds. The twice daily BKL-LUK route is very popular with the business community and is the airlines most popular route overall!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:51 pm

Thanks for the clarification. So just Browns-related street traffic. It would be crazy to preclude commercial air operations for this. If police can't keep North Marginal or related streets moving then people/taxi/uber/lyft drivers can learn to use E55 for access over E9. I know people like football, but it can't dominate the city and its air service--or that of any major city.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:52 am

Totally unsubstantiated rumour from another forum, but extremely interesting nonetheless:

“I recently spoke with someone who works for Frontier. They are planning on purchasing a huge fleet of planes that have range to Europe in the next couple of years. He expects Frontier to use that range from CLE to more unique European destinations and he does believe there will be nice growth in CLE.”
 
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:25 am

greenair727 wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. So just Browns-related street traffic. It would be crazy to preclude commercial air operations for this. If police can't keep North Marginal or related streets moving then people/taxi/uber/lyft drivers can learn to use E55 for access over E9. I know people like football, but it can't dominate the city and its air service--or that of any major city.


Crazy yes but that whole area is terribly designed for vehicles and especially pedestrians. the pinch point is E 9th and parking garages, E 9th and shoreway, and E 9th and Marginal. Marginal moves OK so 55th could be a game day backup.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:24 am

Groyd wrote:
Totally unsubstantiated rumour from another forum, but extremely interesting nonetheless:

“I recently spoke with someone who works for Frontier. They are planning on purchasing a huge fleet of planes that have range to Europe in the next couple of years. He expects Frontier to use that range from CLE to more unique European destinations and he does believe there will be nice growth in CLE.”

The first part I have heard rumblings on as well. The CLE part I have not heard but if true, very exciting
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:11 am

stl07 wrote:
Groyd wrote:
Totally unsubstantiated rumour from another forum, but extremely interesting nonetheless:

“I recently spoke with someone who works for Frontier. They are planning on purchasing a huge fleet of planes that have range to Europe in the next couple of years. He expects Frontier to use that range from CLE to more unique European destinations and he does believe there will be nice growth in CLE.”

The first part I have heard rumblings on as well. The CLE part I have not heard but if true, very exciting


Are we talking A321XLR? Or what planes are we talking? Widebody? Just narrow?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:00 am

Jshank83 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Are we talking A321XLR? Or what planes are we talking? Widebody? Just narrow?


A321XLR is what stablemate Wizz ordered in June. I'd expect Frontier to do the same.

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Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos