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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:55 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Star Wars livery coming in Tuesday evening


Please tell me its spending the night?
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:36 am

[url][/url]
swacle wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Star Wars livery coming in Tuesday evening


Please tell me its spending the night?

If they follow previous aircraft routing this aircraft should arrive as UA2204 from ORD , spends the night and departs as UA763 to DEN at 7:00 am the next morning.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:19 am

csizmpl wrote:
[url][/url]
swacle wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Star Wars livery coming in Tuesday evening


Please tell me its spending the night?

If they follow previous aircraft routing this aircraft should arrive as UA2204 from ORD , spends the night and departs as UA763 to DEN at 7:00 am the next morning.

Awesome. I'll be there at 0530 Wednesday!
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:10 am

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^ I'm guessing the DFW reduction is MAX-related. The JFK cut is not CLE-specific, AA is taking a huge ax to JFK, trying to make JFK into an O&D airport and concentrate TATL connections in PHL.They're cutting LGA as well (so far not CLE-LGA). AA is under investor pressure to improve earnings NOW; but it remains to be seen whether cutting so much from NYC is a good long-term move.


Seems like a questionable strategy. Yes, NYC has more competition than PHL, but NYC is a much larger market. That market isn't going to go PHL to catch a TATL flight, so if if the reduction of feed into JFK reduces the number of TATL flights out of JFK, people in NY would readily move to DL, UA, KL, AF, LH, or another carrier than travel down to PHL to catch a flight. Am I missing something here?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:17 am

greenair727 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
^ I'm guessing the DFW reduction is MAX-related. The JFK cut is not CLE-specific, AA is taking a huge ax to JFK, trying to make JFK into an O&D airport and concentrate TATL connections in PHL.They're cutting LGA as well (so far not CLE-LGA). AA is under investor pressure to improve earnings NOW; but it remains to be seen whether cutting so much from NYC is a good long-term move.


Seems like a questionable strategy. Yes, NYC has more competition than PHL, but NYC is a much larger market. That market isn't going to go PHL to catch a TATL flight, so if if the reduction of feed into JFK reduces the number of TATL flights out of JFK, people in NY would readily move to DL, UA, KL, AF, LH, or another carrier than travel down to PHL to catch a flight. Am I missing something here?

Likely AA is not counting on NYC passengers for its PHL flights. Just like NY region passengers won't drive to PHL for flights, with the scope of PHL service, neither will PHL region travelers drive to JFK, or EWR.

With relatively few domestic routes into JFK, AA would likely require a significant amount of local, very fragmented O&D, to profitably supplement a PHL size international network. Although AA is not the only carrier at PHL, the international passenger pool and number of competing carriers is significantly less than NYC.

IMO, the only way AA could profitably build up JFK (into yesteryear) is to dehub PHL and move most connecting domestic and international flights to JFK - a very ? strategy. In my simple philosophy, why jump into a competitive environment of 30+ players, when you can be only 1 of 4 or 5, unless of course you are guaranteed a profitable outcome ?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:22 am

swacle wrote:
csizmpl wrote:
[url][/url]
swacle wrote:

Please tell me its spending the night?

If they follow previous aircraft routing this aircraft should arrive as UA2204 from ORD , spends the night and departs as UA763 to DEN at 7:00 am the next morning.

Awesome. I'll be there at 0530 Wednesday!


May have to hold your horses. Just checked FR24 and the Star Wars Livery N36272 is no longer routed to CLE. Instead of coming in from ORD it’s doing a few days hubbing back and forth out of DEN. CLE is no longer showing.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:19 pm

DoT has reported August traffic. For CLE, 6,958.8 K pax year to date. August was 882.2K compared to 835.5K the year before, up 5.59%. DoT figures do not include charters, so total traffic (when CLE gets around to reporting it) should be higher. 10+ million passengers for the year still seems doable.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:06 pm

csizmpl wrote:
swacle wrote:
csizmpl wrote:
[url][/url]
If they follow previous aircraft routing this aircraft should arrive as UA2204 from ORD , spends the night and departs as UA763 to DEN at 7:00 am the next morning.

Awesome. I'll be there at 0530 Wednesday!


May have to hold your horses. Just checked FR24 and the Star Wars Livery N36272 is no longer routed to CLE. Instead of coming in from ORD it’s doing a few days hubbing back and forth out of DEN. CLE is no longer showing.


I should have known you'd beat me to it. :)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:47 pm

csizmpl wrote:
swacle wrote:
csizmpl wrote:
[url][/url]
If they follow previous aircraft routing this aircraft should arrive as UA2204 from ORD , spends the night and departs as UA763 to DEN at 7:00 am the next morning.

Awesome. I'll be there at 0530 Wednesday!


May have to hold your horses. Just checked FR24 and the Star Wars Livery N36272 is no longer routed to CLE. Instead of coming in from ORD it’s doing a few days hubbing back and forth out of DEN. CLE is no longer showing.


Well, I'll be there anyway, sending WN 73G's off to their destinations. She'll show up one day!
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:54 am

United rerouted it to PIT... go figure.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:31 am

swacle wrote:
csizmpl wrote:
swacle wrote:
Awesome. I'll be there at 0530 Wednesday!


May have to hold your horses. Just checked FR24 and the Star Wars Livery N36272 is no longer routed to CLE. Instead of coming in from ORD it’s doing a few days hubbing back and forth out of DEN. CLE is no longer showing.


Well, I'll be there anyway, sending WN 73G's off to their destinations. She'll show up one day!


Most recent date that I’ve heard from some UA contacts is it is currently slated inbound on the 23rd and headed out to SFO the same evening. Of course based on recent history it could change at any moment!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:11 pm

"Smart parking" system back up at the garage at Hopkins.

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... again.html
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:22 pm

clevelandairport.com also given a new look... Much better, faster and more user friendly.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:50 pm

United Airlines will fly 3x daily from Cleveland to Los Angeles beginning in June next year! A MUCH needed capacity upgrade.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:19 pm

Great news! Always nice to see UA adds. I still find it hard to believe they completely ceeded the LAS market to Spirit, Frontier, and Southwest, but with so many low-cost carriers on the route, it was probably destined to turn into a bloodbath anyways.

It would be interesting to compare the UA mainline capacity present-day to before the de-hubbing occured. Some routes have been lost, but UA is going exclusively mainline to ORD and has added 3 daily mainline to IAD.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:30 pm

Indeed their mainline capacity now as compared to the hub operation isn’t really that much smaller... I believe during the last full year of the hub United was at about 199 average daily — 49 mainline and about 150 regional.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:43 pm

Super Guppy is bringing the Orion spacecraft to NASA Glenn today. Anyone have an idea of when it will arrive at CLE?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:00 pm

Also interesting is how the passenger numbers are now similar to some hub years. CO/UA were not connecting a lot of people through CLE with all the ERJs we had.

Also very glad about the LAX addition - I actually just got back from LAX a few days ago and took connections both directions because of the departing flight timings. Great to have some additional nonstop options.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:55 pm

CLESpotter95 wrote:
Super Guppy is bringing the Orion spacecraft to NASA Glenn today. Anyone have an idea of when it will arrive at CLE?


The report I saw said it will go to MFD, not CLE. I think there is a low-overpass problem delivering out-sized cargo from CLE to Plum Brook.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:58 pm

CLESpotter95 wrote:
Super Guppy is bringing the Orion spacecraft to NASA Glenn today. Anyone have an idea of when it will arrive at CLE?


Its not for NASA Glenn, its for NASA Plum Brook in Sandusky and the Guppy will be landing at MFD around 1430.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:00 pm

VetteDude wrote:
Also interesting is how the passenger numbers are now similar to some hub years. CO/UA were not connecting a lot of people through CLE with all the ERJs we had.


I believe they were connecting about 40-45% of the pax. Local traffic numbers were held down by nose-bleed CLE O&D fares.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:01 pm

^Well the flight timings aren't too different. In May the two CLE departures are 0726 and 1924. Beginning in June it is 0623, 0731, and 1924. Happy to have the 3rd flight but wish it was placed between the 0700 and 1900 flights like around 1300 or so. If you need to depart CLE mid-day, the 3rd flight doesn't add much, though perhaps it opens up space on the 7pm flight by some that depart on one of the a.m. flights.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:27 pm

For those interested, Vacation Express is starting CLE-SJD operated by VivaAerobús next summer

avtcle wrote:
United Airlines will fly 3x daily from Cleveland to Los Angeles beginning in June next year! A MUCH needed capacity upgrade.


I thought UA already operated CLE-LAX 3x daily? Or was that pre-max grounding
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:29 pm

VetteDude wrote:
Also interesting is how the passenger numbers are now similar to some hub years. CO/UA were not connecting a lot of people through CLE with all the ERJs we had.


I wouldn’t characterize it quite like that. UA was connecting plenty of folks, but we didn’t have all the ULCC carriers stimulating O/D demand primarily to leisure destinations.

On markets that UA ceded to the ULCC, LAS and PHX—- what’s different about FLL and RSW? CLE now has so much capacity (too much????) to S florida.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
For those interested, Vacation Express is starting CLE-SJD operated by VivaAerobús next summer


That's cool. CLE needs alternatives to the same old vacation places--PJU, CUN, Florida....
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:04 pm

Nice addition -- will run as follows:
Cleveland, USA to Los Cabos, Mexico
6 Departures/Arrivals | Sundays [5/24/20-6/28/20]
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:40 pm

ncflyer wrote:
VetteDude wrote:
Also interesting is how the passenger numbers are now similar to some hub years. CO/UA were not connecting a lot of people through CLE with all the ERJs we had.


I wouldn’t characterize it quite like that. UA was connecting plenty of folks, but we didn’t have all the ULCC carriers stimulating O/D demand primarily to leisure destinations.

On markets that UA ceded to the ULCC, LAS and PHX—- what’s different about FLL and RSW? CLE now has so much capacity (too much????) to S florida.


There are some WN FF's in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly on WN over UA, AA, or DL due to WN having nonstop service out of PHX to destinations such as BUF, CLE, LIT, BNA, SDF, and TUL that aren't served nonstop out of PHX on AA, DL, or UA.

WN also has some connecting feed from SAN and secondary LA airports in addition to O&D to support CLE-PHX nonstop service, whereas UA would need more O&D traffic to make CLE-PHX nonstop service work.

UA had also discontinued its codeshare and mileage earning relationship with US due to US's exit from Star Alliance during the AA-US merger, and most of the former US and UA FF's in Greater Phoenix preferred to fly on airlines other than UA subsequent to US's exit from Star Alliance.

CO and UA were able to tap into US's FF base in Greater Phoenix subsequent to CO joining Star Alliance but prior to US's exit from Star Alliance, and CO and UA were previously able to capture more O&D traffic on the PHX end of the CLE-PHX route prior to the AA-US merger due to US's FF base in Greater Phoenix.

UA also still offers 1-stop connecting service to LAS and PHX through its ORD and DEN hubs, whereas IAD is the only UA hub in between CLE and Florida. UA also has more 1-stop connecting options to LAS and PHX from CLE through ORD or DEN than it does to FLL, MIA, and RSW from CLE through IAD.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:45 pm

Does anyone have a link for the new VivaAerobús service?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm

CleSyrRoc wrote:
Does anyone have a link for the new VivaAerobús service?


https://www.vacationexpress.com/clevela ... tion-deals

though it doesn't mention VivaAerobús.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:07 pm

I did a dummy booking — it will be operated by VivaAerobus.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:46 pm

Hard to believe there will be two LAX departures from CLE departing an hour apart. Will be interesting to see if the times are eventually adjusted. With that said, both morning flights get there in time for most of the work day, and the evening flight arrives in time for asia/oceana connections.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:58 pm

Keep in mind last year there were three LAX summer departures in the schedule at one point. Likely it was max issues that put an end to that.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:37 pm

[code][/code]
greenair727 wrote:
CleSyrRoc wrote:
Does anyone have a link for the new VivaAerobús service?


https://www.vacationexpress.com/clevela ... tion-deals

though it doesn't mention VivaAerobús.


Be nice if they brought back MBJ ! Heard that flt did well!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:12 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
[code][/code]
greenair727 wrote:
CleSyrRoc wrote:
Does anyone have a link for the new VivaAerobús service?


https://www.vacationexpress.com/clevela ... tion-deals

though it doesn't mention VivaAerobús.


Be nice if they brought back MBJ ! Heard that flt did well!


For 2020
Apple Vacations
CUN on VivaAerobus and Frontier
MBJ on Swift
PUJ on Allegiant

https://www.applevacations.com/flights- ... d-flights/

Vacation express
Cabo on Viva Aerobus
PUJ on Swift

https://www.vacationexpress.com/flight-schedule/
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:33 pm

Doesn’t Frontier also operate PUJ ? And UA SJU? Most carribean destinations I’ve seen in awhile , think Spirit announced CUN also !
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:04 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
Doesn’t Frontier also operate PUJ ? And UA SJU? Most carribean destinations I’ve seen in awhile , think Spirit announced CUN also !


So I don't know what I was looking at for that link for Apple. It says Frontier for both CUN and PUJ. No MBJ.

So ignore my post up higher for CLE and apple.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:54 am

^F9 also sells tickets themselves on CLE-PUJ. Are these the same flights as those used for Apple? How does that work? Does Apple contract for x number of seats on certain (or all) flights and the rest of the seats F9 can sell themselves like they do any other flight?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:10 pm

I think Apple Vacations just books the tickets under free use and bundles them with their packages. Good for Frontier because that will certainly help ticket sales.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:55 pm

Cleveland passenger traffic is up 4.57 percent through August 2019.

A total of 6,776,527 passengers have passed through Hopkins through August 2019....

Airport will have to make up a little difference in last few months to make 10 mil pax, but seems possible.
https://www.clevelandairport.com/sites/ ... g_2019.pdf
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:57 pm

Stole this from the PIT thread.

https://www.anna.aero/2019/10/11/top-20 ... caribbean/

The data confirms what we have been talking about: CLE-SJU is the top unserved Caribbean route from the Eastern US. Growing by 9% last year alone.

Who would jump in on this route? Would UA want to restart it? ULCC? I have hard time thinking B6 will do anything Caribbean beyond their hubs, so I'm not holding my breath there.

Interesting break out in the article, mostly positive, of CLE-MBJ as well.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:25 pm

United still has CLE-SJU on their route map, which I find promising — only because United just updated its Cleveland route map to remove Cancun, yet SJU is still there.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:39 pm

CLE-SJU is not on the CLE new website for what it's worth, then again, neither is San Diego and as far as I know F9 is still committed to that market, seasonally. (other seasonal markets such as MYR are on the CLE website).

https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... top-cities
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:01 pm

I've learned to not use Cleveland's website as a source. They don't even have Norfolk on their destination list, they still say that United flies to Boston, Montego Bay is still listed even though that ended and when you click Sun Country it shows that they fly nowhere.

If you click to view the map and chart PDF you will see a different map with SAN/SJU still listed.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:01 pm

^Does the Cle map include flights that are not purchasable directly with an airline, but instead only offered from a 'vacation company'? If so, they should add the new Cabo flight as a dashed line or something (for seasonal). With the glaring absence of Europe, it at least makes the map more interesting.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:05 pm

avtcle wrote:
I've learned to not use Cleveland's website as a source. They don't even have Norfolk on their destination list, they still say that United flies to Boston, Montego Bay is still listed even though that ended and when you click Sun Country it shows that they fly nowhere.

If you click to view the map and chart PDF you will see a different map with SAN/SJU still listed.


Also, looking at the map, what's that city that is between Baltimore and Washington? Its not labeled and I don't think its supposed to be Dulles as they have LGA and JFK airports together as one dot.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:12 pm

joeman wrote:
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/hpa.htm

Hawaiian Pacific Airlines. Proposed HNL service from CLE and a good number of large/medium sized markets with 747 at varying frequency. Click to enlarge and see other side of showing intended schedule. Never got off the ground and never got the full story on this venture.


I don't know why this made me chuckle, but it did. Same livery, very similar name, and the Carvair did look like a 747:

Image
Image
FLYi
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:13 pm

^That is a funky looking plane. Its too bad their CLE-HNL service never happened.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:51 pm

flyPIT wrote:
joeman wrote:
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/hpa.htm

Hawaiian Pacific Airlines. Proposed HNL service from CLE and a good number of large/medium sized markets with 747 at varying frequency. Click to enlarge and see other side of showing intended schedule. Never got off the ground and never got the full story on this venture.


I don't know why this made me chuckle, but it did. Same livery, very similar name, and the Carvair did look like a 747:

Image
Image


I vaguely recalled this pseudo-airline and did a Google search: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

It must have been a combination of the crude illustration of a Boeing 747 classic and Cleveland that aroused my suspicion.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:01 am

I just realized the first B6 flight of the day on CLE-BOS departs CLE at 501am. That's very early. And was just curious (and still awake), there are still some seats available even though its Thanksgiving--and their prices weren't crazy either. Interesting. 501am though is painfully early--requiring one to wake up at 2 or 3 am.... Is there a restriction at Hopkins/City of Cleveland as to when normal, scheduled flight operations cannot occur (with exceptions for delays)? And if so, are they the same at Burke?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:02 pm

In all fairness, you probably don't need to get to the airport a full two hours before a 5:00 am flight, but I'm certainly not disagreeing that it is early. I was curious so I looked up some of the higher-frequency routes to see when the first departures of the day are. The frist DL flight to ATL leaves at 5:45 and is a 739 no less. The first AA flight to CLT leaves at 5:00 am on an a319. The point is, it's early but not unprecedented.

I'm not sure if there is a restriction on the departure times or not, would be interesting information to know.

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