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Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:38 pm

Boeing, suppliers, customers and financiers must be having many deep and meaningful conversations regarding aircraft already stored, and especially those to be completed by year end.

Surprised so many engines are not covered.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:01 pm

smartplane wrote:
Boeing, suppliers, customers and financiers must be having many deep and meaningful conversations regarding aircraft already stored, and especially those to be completed by year end.

Surprised so many engines are not covered.


Hell, they might have run out of them by now :)
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:24 pm

smartplane wrote:
Surprised so many engines are not covered.

Sooner787 wrote:
Hell, they might have run out of them by now :)


Evidently one of the main drivers of the temporary production slowdown was not due to MAX frames piling up with no place to park them, but lack of engines from CFM.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:13 am

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Alaska's first 737-9, N913AK is likely to roll out next week if they keep to sequence. :)


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7491 62869 EI-RZA 737-8 Neos - In Storage @ BFI
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:28 am

I am sorry if this has been asked before. How come the 900ER, and now 9MAX need a window plug? Why can’t they just make it without one if it doesn’t require a door?
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:43 pm

After reading the thread I’m confused about one thing and hope someone can help me understand; after the grounding did Boeing decide to store customer planes (or at least some of them) unpainted and after getting a clear idea of certification date they will finish the unfinished frames? Thanks
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:39 pm

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After reading the thread I’m confused about one thing and hope someone can help me understand; after the grounding did Boeing decide to store customer planes (or at least some of them) unpainted and after getting a clear idea of certification date they will finish the unfinished frames? Thanks


They're continuing to build 737 MAX's at a reduced rate, flying production flight tests, painting most of them in customer colors and storing them as far away as the Boeing facility in San Antonio (SKF).
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:44 pm

gokmengs wrote:
After reading the thread I’m confused about one thing and hope someone can help me understand; after the grounding did Boeing decide to store customer planes (or at least some of them) unpainted and after getting a clear idea of certification date they will finish the unfinished frames? Thanks


As I recall, six frames were produced for Jet Airways, which subsequently ceased operations and I believe at least some, if not all six, had not been painted in their colors so that might account for some of the "white tails".

Also, CFM is still having issues meeting delivery demand for LEAP-1B engines so some frames are awaiting their engines (and Boeing noted this was one of the primary drivers for the temporary production slow-down).
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:12 pm

I noticed that pic of Ryanair's first Max 200 frame shows a " 737 MAX " title on the nose.

I figured airlines would delete any and all MAX graphics from their planes .
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:43 pm

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I noticed that pic of Ryanair's first Max 200 frame shows a " 737 MAX " title on the nose.

I figured airlines would delete any and all MAX graphics from their planes .


It may be changed before delivery. On this, and many other aircraft.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:57 pm

7BOEING7 wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
After reading the thread I’m confused about one thing and hope someone can help me understand; after the grounding did Boeing decide to store customer planes (or at least some of them) unpainted and after getting a clear idea of certification date they will finish the unfinished frames? Thanks


They're continuing to build 737 MAX's at a reduced rate, flying production flight tests, painting most of them in customer colors and storing them as far away as the Boeing facility in San Antonio (SKF).


Stitch wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
After reading the thread I’m confused about one thing and hope someone can help me understand; after the grounding did Boeing decide to store customer planes (or at least some of them) unpainted and after getting a clear idea of certification date they will finish the unfinished frames? Thanks


As I recall, six frames were produced for Jet Airways, which subsequently ceased operations and I believe at least some, if not all six, had not been painted in their colors so that might account for some of the "white tails".

Also, CFM is still having issues meeting delivery demand for LEAP-1B engines so some frames are awaiting their engines (and Boeing noted this was one of the primary drivers for the temporary production slow-down).


Thank you both for the replies it makes a ton more sense now
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:11 pm

Boeing has started storing 737MAX's at MWH as seen below

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Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:56 pm

737MAX storage has moved to the staff carpark at BFI

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Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:36 am

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Boeing has started storing 737MAX's at MWH as seen below

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Kinda cool seeing old and new liveries simultaneously on brand new undelivered planes.
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:13 am

birdup wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Boeing has started storing 737MAX's at MWH as seen below

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https://twitter.com/royalscottking/stat ... 91489?s=20


Kinda cool seeing old and new liveries simultaneously on brand new undelivered planes.


Looks like the aircraft with the new livery doesn't have the matching winglets.
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:02 am

Is there a list of produced frames that are waiting for deliveries to restart? Just wondering how many Boeing have in temporary storage and where
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:59 pm

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Is there a list of produced frames that are waiting for deliveries to restart? Just wondering how many Boeing have in temporary storage and where


The production rate was temporarily reduced from the 50s to the 40s per month, but there should be a fair number lurking about.
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:52 pm

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mwhcvt wrote:
Is there a list of produced frames that are waiting for deliveries to restart? Just wondering how many Boeing have in temporary storage and where


The production rate was temporarily reduced from the 50s to the 40s per month, but there should be a fair number lurking about.


So I’m guessing there must be something in the region of 150-200 frames in the various stages of final production, I suppose if there is one thing that will come from this when they finally make it out the other end of the trouble Boeing will be in for a record month or so of deliveries, assuming airlines especially those taking quite a few can arrange to take delivery’s en mass

I do hope this is all resolved sooner rather than later
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:07 pm

It's starting to look like that classic I Love Lucy episode where the chocolates come down the conveyor belt too fast and Lucy starts hiding them in her dress.
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:53 pm

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I do hope this is all resolved sooner rather than later


There are 182 Chinese orders vs 852 for the B738. I have a sinking feeling that the Chinese government may never approve the MAX and use it as a push for COMAC.

MAX   China Airlines   B737-800
14   China Eastern Airlines   121
9   Xiamen Airlines   119
15   Air China   116
50   China Southern Airlines   109
7   Hainan Airlines Holding   95
5   Shenzhen Airlines   69
6   Shandong Airlines   64
   Bank of Communications Leasing   36
5   ICBC Leasing   26
   Shanghai Airlines   25
   Hebei Airlines Company, LTD   15
25   Donghai Airlines   13
   Everbright Financial Leasing   12
1   “9 Air”   11
   Dragon Aviation Leasing   10
36   Ruili Airlines   5
9   Okay Airways Company Limited   4
   Air China Southwest Branch   3
   China Eastern Airlines Wuhan   2
   Kunming Airlines   2
   Silk Road Leasing   1
182   Total   858
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:21 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
mwhcvt wrote:
I do hope this is all resolved sooner rather than later


There are 182 Chinese orders vs 852 for the B738. I have a sinking feeling that the Chinese government may never approve the MAX and use it as a push for COMAC.


That would definitely ruffle a few feathers in Washington DC. And leave Boeing with quite a few frames that they would want to get rid of ASAP
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:58 pm

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There are 182 Chinese orders vs 852 for the B738. I have a sinking feeling that the Chinese government may never approve the MAX and use it as a push for COMAC.


If China wants to push COMAC, they can force the Chinese flag carriers to order it. They did not need the MAX to be grounded.

One of the largest ways China (tries to) address their Balance of Trade issues with the US and the EU is through the purchase of Boeing and Airbus commercial aircraft. So the only way those MAX do not get delivered is if China never rescinds their pulling of the plane's Airworthiness Certificate triggered by the worldwide grounding. And once the majors (FAA, EASA, etc.) lift their grounding orders, China will do the same.
 
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:20 am

mwhcvt wrote:
Is there a list of produced frames that are waiting for deliveries to restart? Just wondering how many Boeing have in temporary storage and where


According to a post on this site posted earlier today there are now 165 frames. 130 in long-term storage between San Antonio, Moses Lake, Paine Field and Boeing Field Plant 2, 9 at Renton and 26 at Boeing Field.

Has anyone seen any overhead photos taken of the San Antonio storage from a helicopter or small plane? That would be quite a sight.
 
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:16 am

PacoMartin wrote:
mwhcvt wrote:
I do hope this is all resolved sooner rather than later


There are 182 Chinese orders vs 852 for the B738. I have a sinking feeling that the Chinese government may never approve the MAX and use it as a push for COMAC.

MAX   China Airlines   B737-800
14   China Eastern Airlines   121
9   Xiamen Airlines   119
15   Air China   116
50   China Southern Airlines   109
7   Hainan Airlines Holding   95
5   Shenzhen Airlines   69
6   Shandong Airlines   64
   Bank of Communications Leasing   36
5   ICBC Leasing   26
   Shanghai Airlines   25
   Hebei Airlines Company, LTD   15
25   Donghai Airlines   13
   Everbright Financial Leasing   12
1   “9 Air”   11
   Dragon Aviation Leasing   10
36   Ruili Airlines   5
9   Okay Airways Company Limited   4
   Air China Southwest Branch   3
   China Eastern Airlines Wuhan   2
   Kunming Airlines   2
   Silk Road Leasing   1
182   Total   858


That’s very misleading, as the vast majority of the UFO MAX orders are either for Chinese airlines, or lessors meant for the Chinese market. I haven’t looked at the order book in some time, but my guess is Chinese MAX orders are already close to their total NG orders. With their expansion plans, keeping the MAX grounded would hurt Chinese airlines almost as much as it’d hurt Boeing.
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:34 am

RobK wrote:
mwhcvt wrote:
Is there a list of produced frames that are waiting for deliveries to restart? Just wondering how many Boeing have in temporary storage and where


According to a post on this site posted earlier today there are now 165 frames. 130 in long-term storage between San Antonio, Moses Lake, Paine Field and Boeing Field Plant 2, 9 at Renton and 26 at Boeing Field.

Has anyone seen any overhead photos taken of the San Antonio storage from a helicopter or small plane? That would be quite a sight.


Thanks for that link, most informative and just the kind of thing I was looking for, it can be such a task trawling the new a.net mega threads for decent information
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:16 am

About 180 new MAX aircraft completed since the grounding I assume.
Immediately airlines started negotiating on extending leases for their current fleets.

https://leehamnews.com/2019/06/27/lessors-airlines-seek-1-year-lease-extensions-in-max-groundings/

I assume we might see some re-entries into service of recently parked aircraft too.
With the 387 delivered before grounding, we are facing 550 MAX missed deliveries now. That is a lot of seats/flights.

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:42 am

This is the production thread so I hope I am allowed to ask my question here (instead of asking in the grounding-thread):

Is there any information on the financial impacts of the fact that they are producing 737‘s but have no revenues from deliveries? I am not sure about the interim payments during production. I guess customers have to pay these interim payments and cannot refuse them due to the grounding, correct? In this case the only gap would be the final payment upon delivery.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that Boeing will be in trouble due to the missing revenues, I am just interested in the financial impact.
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:30 am

N14AZ wrote:
This is the production thread so I hope I am allowed to ask my question here (instead of asking in the grounding-thread):

Is there any information on the financial impacts of the fact that they are producing 737‘s but have no revenues from deliveries? I am not sure about the interim payments during production. I guess customers have to pay these interim payments and cannot refuse them due to the grounding, correct? In this case the only gap would be the final payment upon delivery.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that Boeing will be in trouble due to the missing revenues, I am just interested in the financial impact.


If you assume it costs Boeing $20-25 million (excl. engines) to build a MAX, we are watching $4-5 Billion being parked at their facilities by now. Payments for fuselages, systems, galleys, interiors to the supply chain are probably around delivery to the FAL. You don't want smaller suppliers to bancrupt..
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:24 am

How will Boeing handle the likely 300-400 new-build MAX deliveries, plus the 380 grounded ones back in the air?

That in itself will be a major challenge and could take a year, once the solution is finalised and certified.
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:55 am

N14AZ wrote:
This is the production thread so I hope I am allowed to ask my question here (instead of asking in the grounding-thread):

Is there any information on the financial impacts of the fact that they are producing 737‘s but have no revenues from deliveries? I am not sure about the interim payments during production. I guess customers have to pay these interim payments and cannot refuse them due to the grounding, correct? In this case the only gap would be the final payment upon delivery.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that Boeing will be in trouble due to the missing revenues, I am just interested in the financial impact.

The longer the grounding, more customers (for customers, read customers and especially their financiers), will withhold milestone payments.

Reasonable to assume that /most all of the currently stored aircraft, have missed out on engine installation and delivery milestones, plus the final post-delivery payment for warranty.

Now it must be really biting, with customers declining to meet the engine completed / ready to ship milestone, and even earlier stages.

Customers are already asking Boeing to meet the cost of loan holding fees because of delayed drawdowns.
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:57 am

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How will Boeing handle the likely 300-400 new-build MAX deliveries, plus the 380 grounded ones back in the air?

That in itself will be a major challenge and could take a year, once the solution is finalised and certified.


I think it could quite easily take longer than a year. The upcoming production has an number of white tails coming (lessor frames, no lessee assigned) and that's in addition to 16 frames already built which will also become white tails through cancellations. The backlog rate will have increased by around half a dozen extra frames per month now that the 737NG pax production has wound down.
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:59 pm

keesje wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Is there any information on the financial impacts of the fact that they are producing 737‘s but have no revenues from deliveries? I am not sure about the interim payments during production. I guess customers have to pay these interim payments and cannot refuse them due to the grounding, correct? In this case the only gap would be the final payment upon delivery.


If you assume it costs Boeing $20-25 million (excl. engines) to build a MAX, we are watching $4-5 Billion being parked at their facilities by now. Payments for fuselages, systems, galleys, interiors to the supply chain are probably around delivery to the FAL. You don't want smaller suppliers to bancrupt..

smartplane wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Is there any information on the financial impacts of the fact that they are producing 737‘s but have no revenues from deliveries? I am not sure about the interim payments during production. I guess customers have to pay these interim payments and cannot refuse them due to the grounding, correct? In this case the only gap would be the final payment upon delivery.

The longer the grounding, more customers (for customers, read customers and especially their financiers), will withhold milestone payments.

Reasonable to assume that /most all of the currently stored aircraft, have missed out on engine installation and delivery milestones, plus the final post-delivery payment for warranty.

Thanks to both of you. I was hoping that someone would come up with specific figures.

smartplane wrote:
Now it must be really biting, with customers declining to meet the engine completed / ready to ship milestone, and even earlier stages.

Customers are already asking Boeing to meet the cost of loan holding fees because of delayed drawdowns.

Ouch, I guess this starts to hurt...
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:31 pm

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How will Boeing handle the likely 300-400 new-build MAX deliveries, plus the 380 grounded ones back in the air?

That in itself will be a major challenge and could take a year, once the solution is finalised and certified.


I would assume the grounded frames already in airline's hands will be the first brought back online,
but I agree with you, clearing the backlog of undelivered frames will be a monumental job.

I'm wondering if Boeing might reduce the production rate again, to say 30-36 a month until the undelivered backlog
is cleared out. ?
 
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How common are hailstorms in Washington? Is it an issue or are they rather uncommon in that region?
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:17 pm

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How common are hailstorms in Washington? Is it an issue or are they rather uncommon in that region?


Lived in the Seattle area for decades and never seen one drop anything larger than pebble-size. So I expect the chance of hail damage is effectively zero.
 
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When is 737NG production scheduled to stop? Are they still taking orders?
 
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Stitch wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
How common are hailstorms in Washington? Is it an issue or are they rather uncommon in that region?


Lived in the Seattle area for decades and never seen one drop anything larger than pebble-size. So I expect the chance of hail damage is effectively zero.

Okay, thank you very much for your reply.

PS.: I knew we have several members from Seattle and I remember from previous posts that you live(d) there. When writing my question I even thought „Stitch might have the answer“... :bigthumbsup:
 
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6798 42569 N7202U 737-7 Southwest Airlines- Re-Work Completed moved to flight line
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7510 42588 N7205U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - Painted
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Sooner787 wrote:
uta999 wrote:
How will Boeing handle the likely 300-400 new-build MAX deliveries, plus the 380 grounded ones back in the air?

That in itself will be a major challenge and could take a year, once the solution is finalised and certified.


I would assume the grounded frames already in airline's hands will be the first brought back online,
but I agree with you, clearing the backlog of undelivered frames will be a monumental job.

I'm wondering if Boeing might reduce the production rate again, to say 30-36 a month until the undelivered backlog
is cleared out. ?

Probably already be at the bottom of the production rate price band. Presumably dropping lower triggers a Spirit unit re-price, and/or compensation, which may become inevitable if the grounding drags on.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:07 pm

smartplane wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
uta999 wrote:
How will Boeing handle the likely 300-400 new-build MAX deliveries, plus the 380 grounded ones back in the air?

That in itself will be a major challenge and could take a year, once the solution is finalised and certified.


I would assume the grounded frames already in airline's hands will be the first brought back online,
but I agree with you, clearing the backlog of undelivered frames will be a monumental job.

I'm wondering if Boeing might reduce the production rate again, to say 30-36 a month until the undelivered backlog
is cleared out. ?

Probably already be at the bottom of the production rate price band. Presumably dropping lower triggers a Spirit unit re-price, and/or compensation, which may become inevitable if the grounding drags on.

They are still taking fuselages at the pre-reduced production rate. They are storing the ones that aren't finished somewhere. Easier to find space without wings and stabilizers attached.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:15 pm

I would think they need to start hiring temporary replacement workers now in anticipation of the grounding being lifted.
Only certain employees have the training and or qualification / certifications to load and certify the software if that is the fix, then get everything properly logged to allow the a/c to be legally delivered, those employees do not make up the bulk of the workforce, I am guessing they will have to come from all current programs.
So in anticipation of that, they should be looking to hiring replacement now that can be trained so that when those employees have to move to work exclusively on the MAX, the other areas of the company do not come to a screeching halt.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:58 pm

Shanghai Airlines 737MAX8 B-208W departing PAE for storage at MWH

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:06 pm

Lucky Air 737MAX8 B-207Q undergoing a taxi test and then being ferried from PAE to MWH for storage

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:06 pm

Will the owner of a blue 737 Max please move your airplane. You are occupying more than one parking space. Thank you.

qf789 wrote:
737MAX storage has moved to the staff carpark at BFI

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:30 am

7455 42586 N7203U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - Storage @ RNT
Image7455 42586 N7203U 737-7 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7485 42587 N7204U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - Storage @ RNT
7534 65077 EI-HAV 737-8 200 Ryanair - In Storage in the background
Image7485 42587 N7204U 737-7 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7510 42588 N7205U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - Storage @ RNT
Image7510 42588 N7205U 737-7 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7545 42589 N7206U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - Storage @ RNT
Image7545 42589 N7206U 737-7 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7559 65078 EI-HAW 737-8 200 Ryanair - Storage @ RNT
Image7559 65078 EI-HAW 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7607 EI-HAX 737-8 200 Ryanair - Painted & Placed into Storage @ RNT
Image7607 EI-HAX 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7625 61451 B-20AR 737-8 Shandong Airlines
Image7625 61451 B-20AR 737-8 Shandong Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr
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