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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:51 pm

Folks, we redirected all A220 talk at LCY to another thread as it was derailing this thread.

This is the production/delivery thread. Per user requests we try to limit posts to that. Please post pictures, information about flight tests, production facility enhancements, delivery of components/shipsets, but take LCY, orders, and any discussion vs. the competition off thread.

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Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:41 pm

In my previous post I showed the rendering of the compleated A220 & A320 Mobile FAL facilities. I was refering to the three flight line hangars that will be available.
On May 9 Airbus Mobile Final Assembly Line GM Daryl Taylor Facebook showed this image from the last structural steel being mounted for the flight line hangar. l think it's one of these hangars that will temporaraly be used to assemble some A220-300s. Now nearly two months later, the hangar construction should have progressed a lot.
I think assembling A220s in the A320 FAL building will cause problems for the A320 production flow.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:22 pm


airnorth wrote:
Great post mfranjic, lots of facts and background information, I appreciate the hard work!



keesje wrote:
Mario, great info! You put a lot of time and effort in collecting & structuring. Maybe you can considering spreading it out in a number of post & reducing hot links and logo’s. Otherwise it is hard to read and process ;). Still great to have you here


Thank You, airnorth!
Thank You, keesje!

Thank You very much to both of You for the words of praise and recognizing the hard work in the background of my post.


Image.Image.A220-100 ( Bombardier C Series CS100 / BD-500-1A10 ); MSN 50018, reg. HB-JBI, delivered on 02. July 2019 is SWISS#.9 Airbus A220-100 aircraft;

…..On the Image.(please click on the image below)

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….Swiss International Air Lines AG’s 9th Image.A220-100 ( Bombardier.C Series CS100 / BD-500-1A10 ) aircraft (MTOW: 60.781 kg / 134.000 lb); MSN 50018, reg. HB-JBI, test reg. C-FOYF, with the cabin configuration CY125 and powered by two Image.PW1524G, ‘2,5’-shaft, high-bypass, geared, turbofan engine (fan diameter: 1.854,2 mm / 73,0 in; BPR: 12,0:1; gear ratio: 3,0625:1; eng. architecture: 1F-]G[-3LPC–8HPC〧2HPT–3LPT), OPR: 50,0:1, each rated at 108,54 kN / 11.068 kgf / 24.400 lbf, was delivered to LX on 02. July 2019, flying on the route YMX - ZRH (FLT LX5201). The aircraft first flew on 15. June 2019.

SWISSAirbus 220-100; MSN 50018, reg. HB-JBI - delivery flight LX5201 (click on the image for the link)
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SWISSAirbus A220-100, reg. HB-JBI, is the 23rd Image.A220 aircraft that left the factory in 2019 and 78th altogether for the 5 different airlines. Of that number, 27 aircraft are of the type A220-100 and 51 of the type A220-300.
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The list of delivered Bombardier C Series / Airbus A220 aircraft / 05. July 2019
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……..Bombardier C Series / Airbus A220 aircraft - deliveries by the airlines / 05. July 2019
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:38 am

Mario I hope you also made note of how hard it is to read
 
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Canuck600 wrote:
…Mario I hope you also made note of how hard it is to read


You have to be a bit more specific in Your statement because something can be hard to read because of a several reasons…
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If the problem is in this post's clear visibility I have to say I could have easily read it on the several different PCs, with the different operating systems (Win XP and Win 7) with the different Internet browsers (IE8, IE11, Opera 12.18, Opera 36.0 and Firefox 52.9). Likewise, I could have easily read it on the Tablet (Android 6.0 Marshmallow), although not as well as on my PC, only because of the pretty smaller screen. For those who want to follow the forums at all costs on their smart phones, I would like to say that the forums were existing before those modern telecommunication devices and you can't really expect them being suitable for any purpose, including reading the forums, and to serve as the replacement for all the devices we have been using before them, like desktop PCs and the laptops …
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If You find difficult my posts to read, just skip them, please! Why burdening Yourself at all by reading them if they cause any problem for You? You will not lose anything in Your life if You don’t read them. Really… There are also and those others who like to read my posts and do not have any problems…
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Otherwise, in creating my posts I simultaneously use Win XP (home) and Win 7 (work), with mainly 20 year old software installed on my two desktop PCs (both i5-3470 CPU @ 3,20 GHz)…
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:48 am

See the points that Keeje made. The information is good it's just way it's laid out in a big jumble.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:06 pm

Great info Mario, a couple suggestions below:

The engine manufacturer column could be deleted, they're all "Pratt and Whitney." It is interesting to see the engine rating selected by each airline, but I have to wonder how accurate that is. Airlines sometimes change that after delivery.

Also, imho, the test registration column could be deleted. Who cares about the registration worn during pre delivery flights?

Deleting these columns woild make the chart a little less "busy."
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:52 pm

Mario,

People complaining that your posts are hard to read is like: "Mummy, I don't want this unicorn! I want a unicorn with rainbow fur!"

mfranjic wrote:
P.S. I do not intend to change the concept of my posts and adapt them to the individual needs and wishes, the same way as I do not even think about it to complain to the other members about the way they do create their posts.


:checkmark:

Speaking for myself, and many others (I'm sure) I appreciative your posts and the effort you've spent to organize the info in one spot. Pulling it together and maintaining it can't be easy!

If I have trouble reading it, that's my problem. I can either adjust the damn screen magnification or go look up the info myself
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:55 pm

Mario-your posts are much appreciated.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:02 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
In my previous post I showed the rendering of the compleated A220 & A320 Mobile FAL facilities. I was refering to the three flight line hangars that will be available.
On May 9 Airbus Mobile Final Assembly Line GM Daryl Taylor Facebook showed this image from the last structural steel being mounted for the flight line hangar. l think it's one of these hangars that will temporaraly be used to assemble some A220-300s. Now nearly two months later, the hangar construction should have progressed a lot.
I think assembling A220s in the A320 FAL building will cause problems for the A320 production flow.


Fun fact: Airbus' General Manager of their Mobile, Alabama FAL Darryl Taylor was GM of Bombardier's Q400 program for three years ending 2013. (He left to run a unit of GKN Aerospace prior to joining Airbus in 2015.) Wonder if he ever imagined he'd build another "Bombardier" airplane when he left?
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:30 am

Has anyone seen the EgyptAir A220 or have any pics. Curious on your thoughts. Saw a pic on Instagram and thought it maybe the best looking bird yet. Only seen one image though.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:09 am

AvroLanc wrote:
Has anyone seen the EgyptAir A220 or have any pics. Curious on your thoughts. Saw a pic on Instagram and thought it maybe the best looking bird yet. Only seen one image though.



Yes and i love love love it. Although i am fearing that the orange window trim and that orange line on the front of the wing are the airplane equivalent of painters tape. But i love garish orange trim so hopefully it stays :)

Link with pic
https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/07/09/egy ... paintshop/
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:22 am

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Although i am fearing that the orange window trim and that orange line on the front of the wing are the airplane equivalent of painters tape. But i love garish orange trim so hopefully it stays :)/


It's almost certainly masking. The inlets are also blue, which is a huge no-no.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:38 pm

zululima wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Although i am fearing that the orange window trim and that orange line on the front of the wing are the airplane equivalent of painters tape. But i love garish orange trim so hopefully it stays :)/


It's almost certainly masking. The inlets are also blue, which is a huge no-no.

Are you referring to the same light blue inlet as on the A320N shown here? Isn't this standard?

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Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:05 pm

zululima wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Although i am fearing that the orange window trim and that orange line on the front of the wing are the airplane equivalent of painters tape. But i love garish orange trim so hopefully it stays :)/


It's almost certainly masking. The inlets are also blue, which is a huge no-no.


Why is having the inlets "blue" a huge no no? Not referring to the standard light blue on the inside.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:11 pm

The light blue INSIDE the inlet is the "rub strip" for the fan. This abradeable material has been used by PW since at least the PW4000 days, mayber earlier. It is made to wear away if the fan moves a little bit....it allows the fan to move slightly without wearing into the metal.

The color of the wear strip is standard for all GTF engines. Edit: its kind of a blue/green color.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:29 pm

So sounds like maybe the blue by the engine is final. I'm assuming though i will be disappointed and the orange trim on the wing and cockpit windows will be removed still?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:02 pm

SteelChair wrote:
The light blue INSIDE the inlet is the "rub strip" for the fan. This abradeable material has been used by PW since at least the PW4000 days, mayber earlier. It is made to wear away if the fan moves a little bit....it allows the fan to move slightly without wearing into the metal.

The color of the wear strip is standard for all GTF engines. Edit: its kind of a blue/green color.


Thanks this is kind of useful info that keeps me coming back to this site.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:55 pm

N119DU for delta is delivered, left Mirabel not too long ago. 2nd delivered this month (Air Swiss got one).

N120DU also had it's 2nd flight today and pictures of Egyptair's first A220 probably indicates that one will be flying soon.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:50 am

rrbsztk wrote:
AvroLanc wrote:
Has anyone seen the EgyptAir A220 or have any pics. Curious on your thoughts. Saw a pic on Instagram and thought it maybe the best looking bird yet. Only seen one image though.



Yes and i love love love it. Although i am fearing that the orange window trim and that orange line on the front of the wing are the airplane equivalent of painters tape. But i love garish orange trim so hopefully it stays :)

Link with pic
https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/07/09/egy ... paintshop/


The orange strip on the wings is just a protective tape that is used to protect the metal leading edge of the wings. It is also on every A320 wing through the production phase till first flight when it is removed.

The cockpit windows also appear to have a protective film with a yellow edge on them.

The green/blue on the engines is the rubbing strip as mentioned by others.
 
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Already noted, and with the same pic, in reply #412 above!
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:20 pm

50039 completed it's second predelivery test flight 9 days ago on the 12th, the same day that 50038 was delivered to Delta. It hasn't flown since and neither has any other aircraft destined for any customer. Is there an issue affecting predelivery testing?
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:07 pm

The whole Mirabel facility (BBD and Airbus) is on vacation for a couple weeks.
Usually there is still some delivery activities however, for those units needing little work.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:26 am

Per AIBfamily 50040 did engine run and taxi check earlier this afternoon
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:16 am

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While somewhat disappointed that more orders haven't been announced, I m thinking that there are some "wink and a nod," agreements. How else to explain the Mobile investment?


Could it be the FAL could be used for the 321 if the 220 founders?

I know at Delta there is going to be a big demand for the 321Ns to come quickly when they start to come.
 
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Babyshark wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
While somewhat disappointed that more orders haven't been announced, I m thinking that there are some "wink and a nod," agreements. How else to explain the Mobile investment?


Could it be the FAL could be used for the 321 if the 220 founders?

I know at Delta there is going to be a big demand for the 321Ns to come quickly when they start to come.


IIRC, the production system that Bombardier designed is very unique, full of proprietary tech. I don't think it would translate to the 321. Of course, the building could be stripped and rearranged for the 321 if the 220 fiunders, but that would be expensive.

Aren't engines still the pacing item on 320NEO series production? I think there is big demand for 320NEO worldwide.
 
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Heard that TC may be getting two more A223, has anyone else heard/read that somewhere?
 
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Heard that TC may be getting two more A223, has anyone else heard/read that somewhere?


Yep
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:09 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Babyshark wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
While somewhat disappointed that more orders haven't been announced, I m thinking that there are some "wink and a nod," agreements. How else to explain the Mobile investment?


Could it be the FAL could be used for the 321 if the 220 founders?

I know at Delta there is going to be a big demand for the 321Ns to come quickly when they start to come.


IIRC, the production system that Bombardier designed is very unique, full of proprietary tech. I don't think it would translate to the 321. Of course, the building could be stripped and rearranged for the 321 if the 220 fiunders, but that would be expensive.

Aren't engines still the pacing item on 320NEO series production? I think there is big demand for 320NEO worldwide.

Airbus must plan ahead to sell. There are rumored orders from AirFrance and Spirit. Delta and JetBlue have topped off their orders and I hope Moxie, Korean, and LH group will too. I hope AA and UA order the the type. Either prepare for success or it cannot ever happen.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:12 pm

lightsaber wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Babyshark wrote:

Could it be the FAL could be used for the 321 if the 220 founders?

I know at Delta there is going to be a big demand for the 321Ns to come quickly when they start to come.


IIRC, the production system that Bombardier designed is very unique, full of proprietary tech. I don't think it would translate to the 321. Of course, the building could be stripped and rearranged for the 321 if the 220 fiunders, but that would be expensive.

Aren't engines still the pacing item on 320NEO series production? I think there is big demand for 320NEO worldwide.

Airbus must plan ahead to sell. There are rumored orders from AirFrance and Spirit. Delta and JetBlue have topped off their orders and I hope Moxie, Korean, and LH group will too. I hope AA and UA order the the type. Either prepare for success or it cannot ever happen.


I agree. I think the 220 is gonna be a huge success. I was just responding to the comment: I dont think it would be wise to build an FAL1 for the 220 in Mobile and then have to rip it all out for the 321.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:06 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
50039 completed it's second predelivery test flight 9 days ago on the 12th, the same day that 50038 was delivered to Delta. It hasn't flown since and neither has any other aircraft destined for any customer. Is there an issue affecting predelivery testing?


50040 is currently in the air for it's first flight and 50039 just finished it's third flight, so looks like things are going again.

In addition to summer vacation as someone highlighted, weather last week may have also been a hindrance.

I'm wondering how soon EgyptAir's first A220 will be flying. Back in December 2018 EgyptIndependent reported first delivery in July, so should be soon. They did just announce routes will start September 6th so early August delivery probably would be ok.

Week of September 6th: 14 weekly flights (round trip)
Week of September 26th: 32 weekly flights (round trip)

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As of 19JUL19, planned A220 operation as follows.

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Cairo – Aswan – Abu Simbel eff 27SEP19 1 weekly
Cairo – Hurghada eff 26SEP19 3 weekly
Cairo – Luxor eff 06SEP19 12 weekly (17 weekly from 29SEP19)
Cairo – Sharm el Sheikh eff 08SEP19 1 weekly (4 weekly from 26SEP19)
 
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:38 pm

I’m at Chicago ORD right now flying Delta and I’m curious to know why both the CS100/300 and A220-100/300 are painted on the stand. It wouldn’t have 2 type certificates right? And delta wouldn’t have both names on the airplane.
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I’m at Chicago ORD right now flying Delta and I’m curious to know why both the CS100/300 and A220-100/300 are painted on the stand. It wouldn’t have 2 type certificates right? And delta wouldn’t have both names on the airplane.


I think this might be similar to what's going on with LX. They still have their types known as CS100/CS300. This will change in the coming months.
 
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Next for Delta delivered according to Skyliner

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Seriously pretty.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:01 pm

Has anyone noticed that production seems to be slowing? There is only one plane that has made a flight that has not delivered yet.

This is according to the aibfamily and abcdlist websites. One would think that there would be 2-4 undergoing pre-delivery flights at all times by this point.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:12 pm

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Has anyone noticed that production seems to be slowing? There is only one plane that has made a flight that has not delivered yet.

This is according to the aibfamily and abcdlist websites. One would think that there would be 2-4 undergoing pre-delivery flights at all times by this point.


I believe it's Summer vacation Time. It's also calmer than usual in Toulouse and Hamburg.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:11 pm

With the AF order, I would think it's getting awfully close to maxing out production through to 2024. Maybe they need to look at going past 14 mid-decade.
 
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Any news of the last Swiss A220-100 that should have been delivered in June?
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:05 am

SteelChair wrote:
Babyshark wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
While somewhat disappointed that more orders haven't been announced, I m thinking that there are some "wink and a nod," agreements. How else to explain the Mobile investment?


Could it be the FAL could be used for the 321 if the 220 founders?

I know at Delta there is going to be a big demand for the 321Ns to come quickly when they start to come.


IIRC, the production system that Bombardier designed is very unique, full of proprietary tech. I don't think it would translate to the 321. Of course, the building could be stripped and rearranged for the 321 if the 220 fiunders, but that would be expensive.

Aren't engines still the pacing item on 320NEO series production? I think there is big demand for 320NEO worldwide.


I believe engines are the issue. Need a PW production thread because that would be interesting... or a certain PW fan to lay it out.

Also the 220 engines have a corrosion issue, what's the deal with that, does it mean 1100s have it? And to this thread, what does that mean for 220 production if that needs to be corrected? Can you.go to 14 a month with that not solved or do you keep it at 2 or 3 until its solved even if every other vendor is able to increase production?
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:02 pm

Babyshark wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Babyshark wrote:

Could it be the FAL could be used for the 321 if the 220 founders?

I know at Delta there is going to be a big demand for the 321Ns to come quickly when they start to come.


IIRC, the production system that Bombardier designed is very unique, full of proprietary tech. I don't think it would translate to the 321. Of course, the building could be stripped and rearranged for the 321 if the 220 fiunders, but that would be expensive.

Aren't engines still the pacing item on 320NEO series production? I think there is big demand for 320NEO worldwide.


I believe engines are the issue. Need a PW production thread because that would be interesting... or a certain PW fan to lay it out.

Also the 220 engines have a corrosion issue, what's the deal with that, does it mean 1100s have it? And to this thread, what does that mean for 220 production if that needs to be corrected? Can you.go to 14 a month with that not solved or do you keep it at 2 or 3 until its solved even if every other vendor is able to increase production?

Having to redo seals and combustors has made them the production limiting parts. The corrosion you mention is short life combustors in coastal environments. Pratt has redesigns in production. So once replacement parts are delivered, production will slingshot higher as in effect, two sets of each are being made per engine. (Or more fore earlier delivery)

I do not know the exact constraints (as in quantity per month). But as new build have been delivered with fixed parts for months, the replacement demand should be dropping. (Albeit slowly).

Since Pratt makes the combustors in house, Production should be ramping fast. Seals are from vendors.

Production is already higher for engines, but some is temporarily in the spares pool. But not to 14/month. Pratt hasn't been making enough engines in volume to ramp that quick.

At some point high compressors are the limit as Pratt must buy more of the $14 million (IIRC) friction welders.

Turbine blades still haven't acheived yield, but are ahead of LEAP as materials are more old school. So a ramp is required.

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:17 pm

sergegva wrote:
Any news of the last Swiss A220-100 that should have been delivered in June?


The 50018 has been already delivered on 02-Jul-2019.
The last left is, if I remember correctly, the 50019. Produced already more than 2 years ago. They will do the same, they have already done with the 50018, to modify and upgrade them to the up to date production status, so Swiss will get a brand new up to date bird. To upgrade them has been shown for the 018 to be much more than expected work and will spent much more time than thought.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:04 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Babyshark wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

IIRC, the production system that Bombardier designed is very unique, full of proprietary tech. I don't think it would translate to the 321. Of course, the building could be stripped and rearranged for the 321 if the 220 fiunders, but that would be expensive.

Aren't engines still the pacing item on 320NEO series production? I think there is big demand for 320NEO worldwide.


I believe engines are the issue. Need a PW production thread because that would be interesting... or a certain PW fan to lay it out.

Also the 220 engines have a corrosion issue, what's the deal with that, does it mean 1100s have it? And to this thread, what does that mean for 220 production if that needs to be corrected? Can you.go to 14 a month with that not solved or do you keep it at 2 or 3 until its solved even if every other vendor is able to increase production?

Having to redo seals and combustors has made them the production limiting parts. The corrosion you mention is short life combustors in coastal environments. Pratt has redesigns in production. So once replacement parts are delivered, production will slingshot higher as in effect, two sets of each are being made per engine. (Or more fore earlier delivery)

I do not know the exact constraints (as in quantity per month). But as new build have been delivered with fixed parts for months, the replacement demand should be dropping. (Albeit slowly).

Since Pratt makes the combustors in house, Production should be ramping fast. Seals are from vendors.

Production is already higher for engines, but some is temporarily in the spares pool. But not to 14/month. Pratt hasn't been making enough engines in volume to ramp that quick.

At some point high compressors are the limit as Pratt must buy more of the $14 million (IIRC) friction welders.

Turbine blades still haven't acheived yield, but are ahead of LEAP as materials are more old school. So a ramp is required.

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A220 sales are slowly starting to indicate that increasing engine output up to or around 14 a year is not gonna cut it longer term. If Airbus behind doors is currently planning rates beyond 14 a year longer term, than Pratt better be ready or they they open the door to the competition.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:53 pm

Taxi645 wrote:
A220 sales are slowly starting to indicate that increasing engine output up to or around 14 a year is not gonna cut it longer term. If Airbus behind doors is currently planning rates beyond 14 a year longer term, than Pratt better be ready or they they open the door to the competition.


The competition (E2) is also using the GTF. It's not like they'll have an advantage here.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:58 pm

TObound wrote:
Taxi645 wrote:
A220 sales are slowly starting to indicate that increasing engine output up to or around 14 a year is not gonna cut it longer term. If Airbus behind doors is currently planning rates beyond 14 a year longer term, than Pratt better be ready or they they open the door to the competition.


The competition (E2) is also using the GTF. It's not like they'll have an advantage here.


I meant engine competition.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:00 pm

When does the Mobile FAL come on stream and what's their delivery projection for 2020?

And is Mirabel supposed to hit 5/mo by the end of the year?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:16 pm

T4thH wrote:
sergegva wrote:
Any news of the last Swiss A220-100 that should have been delivered in June?


The 50018 has been already delivered on 02-Jul-2019.
The last left is, if I remember correctly, the 50019. Produced already more than 2 years ago. They will do the same, they have already done with the 50018, to modify and upgrade them to the up to date production status, so Swiss will get a brand new up to date bird. To upgrade them has been shown for the 018 to be much more than expected work and will spent much more time than thought.


What are the differences between a 2 year old build and now ?

The real reason as to why these 2 planes weren't delivered back when they were built isn't very clear either.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:26 pm

runway23 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
sergegva wrote:
Any news of the last Swiss A220-100 that should have been delivered in June?


The 50018 has been already delivered on 02-Jul-2019.
The last left is, if I remember correctly, the 50019. Produced already more than 2 years ago. They will do the same, they have already done with the 50018, to modify and upgrade them to the up to date production status, so Swiss will get a brand new up to date bird. To upgrade them has been shown for the 018 to be much more than expected work and will spent much more time than thought.


What are the differences between a 2 year old build and now ?

The real reason as to why these 2 planes weren't delivered back when they were built isn't very clear either.


My best rexollection is there were some news reports saying Swiss prioritized -300s over -100s with limited engine availability at the time.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:02 pm

Delivery Schedule of Reported/Announced A220 Deliveries
Update: Added Air France and Air Tanzania recent orders.
???Anyone have better info on the Air France delivery schedule. I went off deliveries starting in September 2021 and spread it out over 5 years

BOLD is reported in news/press release/filings
underline is reported by A.net user
italics is when i evened deliveries out based on known data as best able

Mobile (presuming all A223 for Delta, JetBlue, and Moxy)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Delta A223s..........6.......12........17.......15
JetBlue..................1........6..........8........19.......22.......14..
Moxy......................6.......12.......12.......15.......15
MOBILE TOTAL....13......30.......37.......49.......37.......14

Mirabel (all others)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Air Baltic.....8.......12.......12........4
Air Canada 1.......14........15......15
Air France........................8........13.......13.......13........13
Air Tanzania.........2
Air Vanuatu ..........2.........2
Delta A221s..24....12.......5 (their top up order from Paris Air Show, could be sooner)
EgyptAir.......6........6
Korean Air...1
Swiss.......... 2
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
MIRABEL...42......48........42......32.......13.......13........13

Mirabel and Mobile Combined
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
TOTAL........42......61.......72......69........62......50......27
For 2019 Airbus has reported a goal of 45. My best guess is EgyptAir will receive one or two more and Delta as well. I didn't switch it in table because that's only a slightly informed guess.

Possible Orders to be added (not included are lessor options or shaky orders like Iraqi airways)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Lessors....150 ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> --->
Possible Options to be added
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
EqyptAir...............12...---> ---> .---> --->
Swiss...................30 .---> ---> ---> --->
Korean..................20 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Baltic.....................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Canada.................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Delta......................................................50 .---> ---> .--->
JetBlue........................................................................50 .--->
Air France...................................................................60 .--->

Data in previous posts, primarily #s 59, 130, and 263 in this thread.

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