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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:13 pm

I was just looking at the Airbus production site. I think 46 (42 already, plus AC, plus another STLC, another Egyptair and another Air Baltic) will be delivered this year, maybe 47 depending on what happens during the next 3 weeks. They've been doing 5 per month from YMX lately so I believe next year will be closer to seventy (60+ for YMX and 7 for Mobile) if customers are willing to accept them all.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:52 pm

UA947 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
UA947 wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble but this was the 99th delivery.


For Airbus, the 55064/YL-AUU is the no. 100 delivered. It is the no. 99 delivered to customer, I am well aware, there is a discrepancy.
https://apex.aero/2019/10/2/behind-the-scenes-airbaltic-airbus-a220
Since some days, I am thinking about the discrepancy....and how and why Airbus is "counting on such an interesting way".

Do they count the 50003 "delivered/transferred" to ENA as delivered?

The apex-article you link to says: "Airbus recently celebrated the 100th A220 produced for a customer . . . ". (and that comes after the click-bait-title)
PRODUCED, not DELIVERED!!
Earlier you linked to the aibfamilyflights website. There is a picture in that link and above "source: Airbus" it says "Airbus celebrates the 100th A220 aircraft produced".
PRODUCED, not DELIVERED!!

If 'produced' means the Production aircraft, then P1 is 50006 which has not been sold/delivered. 50017 might also be an active production aircraft since it is listed as Stored.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:24 pm

The first AC A-220 finally flew today!
There are now 5 undelivered aircraft that have flown at least once. It looks like maybe 6 birds might be delivered in December (47 for the year?).
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:15 am

Skywatcher wrote:
The first AC A-220 finally flew today!
There are now 5 undelivered aircraft that have flown at least once. It looks like maybe 6 birds might be delivered in December (47 for the year?).

Thanks for that information. it will be nice to see a C Series in AC livery, cannot wait to book a flight. Hopefully the receive it soon.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:09 am

It looks like Bombardier are already preparing for an 'ambitious' ramp up of wing production at the Belfast Harbour site.

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2019/12/09/news/bombardier-says-expansion-of-wing-programme-will-sustain-1-000-jobs-in-belfast-1784391/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:14 pm

dsandson wrote:
It looks like Bombardier are already preparing for an 'ambitious' ramp up of wing production at the Belfast Harbour site.

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2019/12/09/news/bombardier-says-expansion-of-wing-programme-will-sustain-1-000-jobs-in-belfast-1784391/

As longer scheduled/planned by Bombardier/Airbus, the production of the A220 will be ramp up to a sustained production capacity of 14/month in 2025 (so 14/month will be reached in 2024). Yes, they will have to ramp up the production in Belfast.

Now two have been delivered in Dec-2019, one to Air Baltic and yesterday 55066 to STLC.

And now. again 5 have performed the first flight and delivery is pending: 55067 AC, 55068 Egypt Air, 55071 Air Baltic, 55072 and 55073 STLC. 55073 has had the first flight yesterday..
I do not know, if STLC crews are big and good enough, the verify and check two jets in parallel, so if both (55071 and 55072) will be taken up any more in Dec-2019.
So even 47 tp 48 jets delivered in the year 2019 are possible, This will be a great job by the A220 team in Canada, as 44 to 45 was scheduled at begin of 2020. And we shall not forget, that the Canada team has additional prepared the jets/parts for assembling in Mobile (there shall be 4 now in assembling in the A320 FAL building).
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html

Interestingly, it seems the spotter have missed some taxi tests in Montreal. As these seems to have been missed, it is such a surprise, that 2 jets more than expected, can be possible delivered in 2019.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55071
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55073
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Guess I was way too pessimistic on production rates earlier. They'll probably hit 65 frames next year. They still need more orders or exercised options to fill the pipeline. Take away the zombie orders (~100 frames) and they will have completed their backlog by mid-2023. Assume Moxy is not a zombie order and they go till the end of 2023. Put in the zombie orders and their entire orderbook is done before mid-2024. They need some of those more than 200 options and purchase rights to turn into firm orders to get them through to 2025.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:32 pm

TObound wrote:
Guess I was way too pessimistic on production rates earlier. They'll probably hit 65 frames next year. They still need more orders or exercised options to fill the pipeline. Take away the zombie orders (~100 frames) and they will have completed their backlog by mid-2023. Assume Moxy is not a zombie order and they go till the end of 2023. Put in the zombie orders and their entire orderbook is done before mid-2024. They need some of those more than 200 options and purchase rights to turn into firm orders to get them through to 2025.


In worst case, now 41 are to be stated as zombies.
10x Odyssey
5x Iraqi airways
16x Saudi Gulf
10x Guf Air.

There are 60x stated as firmed in the Air France books (but still not in the Airbus books). The lawyers will make a big party, when it will be stated as firmed in Airbus books. The producer (Airbus, Boeing, Embraer have standard contracts for the small airlines; big legacy companies have their own whole lawyer teams...). Firming of contracts will need half a year. There are other follow up orders as options in the books, where the airlines have already confirmed, that they will take them, but they will they will firm them earliest, when they have to (so around 18 to 24 month prior delivery date). So Korean air will firm 10 options in 2020, latest begin of 2021.
There are many sales campaigns ongoing in Africa, pacific region, Australia, Asia, Europe.and Mexico. I have already typed a long thread as answer for Lightsaber; I have no time to finish it, it is still saved as draft. I have to find all the links again...
I do not fear that A220 will not get enough orders.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:45 am

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So Korean air will firm 10 options in 2020, latest begin of 2021.
There are many sales campaigns ongoing in Africa, pacific region, Australia, Asia, Europe.and Mexico. I have already typed a long thread as answer for Lightsaber; I have no time to finish it, it is still saved as draft. I have to find all the links again...
I do not fear that A220 will not get enough orders.

You have me curious who will firm. I am enthusiastic about the A220, but not KE firming.

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:39 am

lightsaber wrote:
T4thH wrote:

So Korean air will firm 10 options in 2020, latest begin of 2021.
There are many sales campaigns ongoing in Africa, pacific region, Australia, Asia, Europe.and Mexico. I have already typed a long thread as answer for Lightsaber; I have no time to finish it, it is still saved as draft. I have to find all the links again...
I do not fear that A220 will not get enough orders.

You have me curious who will firm. I am enthusiastic about the A220, but not KE firming.

Lightsaber

Regarding KAL, we will see in 2020/2021. They have 10 options and additional 10 purchase rights. They have announced a renewal program for widebodies and order additional smallbodies during the IATA meeting in Seoul in Jun-2018.

Something different: As I have typed above, I am working on post with all ongoing sales campaigns and announced interest in A220. One part is Africa, where Ethiopian Airlines starts to cooperate with different governments to found and support national airlines. And there I am fading, because I try to confirm these by sources, and these are all in foreign languages (French).
t seems that Ethiopian airlines are in discussion with several African countries/governments to found and participate in national carriers/private airlines in Chad, Congo (both), Zambia, Mozambique, They have already launched ASKY in Togo.


One of these is Congo Airlines. And now they have ordered:
Official announcement: (foreign language, use Google translator or others).
Congo Airways orders two A220-300 and others. Official Airbus statement seems to be pending.
https://7sur7.cd/2019/12/14/rdc-congo-airways-va-acquerir-8-avions-neufs-dont-2-de-type-220-300-dairbus-de-132

"I welcome the signing between Congo Airways and Airbus for the acquisition of two new type A 220-300 aircraft with 132 seats each, two E-175 aircraft with 76 seats each with the Brazilian company Embraer and two ATR 42-600 aircraft of 48 places each with the Franco-Italian company intended for domestic service mainly for the opening up of the newly created provinces, which brings to a total workforce of 8 new aircraft which will have to be added to the existing fleet of the national company ", revealed the president of the Republic.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:35 pm

Can someone please post a list of deliveries this calendar year broken down by customer?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:31 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Can someone please post a list of deliveries this calendar year broken down by customer?


https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corp ... craft.xlsx
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:33 pm

There is an order for 10 firm aircraft on Airbus’ A220 orderbook, that showed up over the summer. Anyone know who it’s for?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:02 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Can someone please post a list of deliveries this calendar year broken down by customer?


I played a little bit around with the search feature on AIB Family Flights. Does this help you?

https://aibfamily.flights/search?flight ... amily=A220
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:05 am

T4thH, could you post sources even if in French? A few people could read it :-)
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:50 am

Aircellist wrote:
T4thH, could you post sources even if in French? A few people could read it :-)


It is not so easy; I have a list with more than 20 links e.g. I will see in next days.

According the ongoing IATA meeting some news from Airbus/Scherer): It will come but not now.
The eventual development of a larger version of the A220 was “not a question of if, but when”, Scherer said, adding that it is not being considered at this stage.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbus-scherer/airbus-headed-for-strong-sales-year-despite-trade-woes-sales-chief-idUSKBN1YM0T6

What we can expect in next days till end of 2019:

The 60x A220 by Air France will be firmed according Airbus/Scherer in next days. Original in French, translated by google:
The ordering intention (60 A220, Editor's note) of # AirFrance "should very quickly turn into a firm order" (Christian Scherer, commercial director of # Airbus , at @ AJPAE )

https://twitter.com/FGliszczynski/status/1207242785419661312

Announcement, that Air Madagascar will order 3x A220-300 (most likely from lessor). It is part of the order by Air Austral for 3x A220-300.
https://aeronauticsonline.com/air-austral-and-air-madagascar-to-acquire-airbus-a220-aircraft/

Ethiopian Airlines will order 20 or 25 A220 (first mid of the year was discussed only 20x A220-100, seems possibly to be raised to 25 and not any more mentioned, which version). Additional likely we will see a contract for more (like Ethiopian Airlines will be the maintenance base for East/Central Africa for the A220 and/or the PW1500/1900 jet engines e.g.). I just do not find/am able to identify the link for the up to 25x A220 (this was from Nov-2019). This is the last /most up to date for 20x A220.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/ethiopian-airlines-close-to-deal-to-order-airbus-a220-planes

Certification of A220 till end of the year for Russia and China.

Aeromexico, Interjet and others.....
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm

Support air cadets!
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:37 pm

The A220 is moving....

With AFKL they are now pushing 600 orders. Excluding orders that one might be skeptical of, it still looks like they are going to have to produce and deliver 400 airplanes over the next 5 years, on top of the 100 delivered to date. A220 looks set to break a 1000 firm orders over the next 5 years. Incredible success for a new type.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:04 pm

I came to see how close to a hundred deliveries..
Are we there yet?

jalarner wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/12/air-franceklm-firms-up-order-for-60-airbus-a220s.html

Looks like it is official.

Please note AirFrance is official.

I wondered if ALC or Air Madagascar or Ethiopian or AeroMexico or....

There are many active A220 sales campaigns. Including Qatas, Thai LCC, Indian airlines, and a few others

:)


Seriously, good to see small orders Leasing.

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:04 pm

lightsaber wrote:
I came to see how close to a hundred deliveries..
Are we there yet?

jalarner wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/12/air-franceklm-firms-up-order-for-60-airbus-a220s.html

Looks like it is official.

Please note AirFrance is official.

I wondered if ALC or Air Madagascar or Ethiopian or AeroMexico or....

There are many active A220 sales campaigns. Including Qatas, Thai LCC, Indian airlines, and a few others

:)


Seriously, good to see small orders Leasing.

Lightsaber


Could they start delivering 8 frames plus a month next year?
That should help a lot with the backlog.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:08 pm

lightsaber wrote:
I came to see how close to a hundred deliveries..
Are we there yet?

Lightsaber

Last week c/n 55066 for GTLK was the 100th.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:58 pm

P1aneMad wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I came to see how close to a hundred deliveries..
Are we there yet?

jalarner wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/12/air-franceklm-firms-up-order-for-60-airbus-a220s.html

Looks like it is official.

Please note AirFrance is official.

I wondered if ALC or Air Madagascar or Ethiopian or AeroMexico or....

There are many active A220 sales campaigns. Including Qatas, Thai LCC, Indian airlines, and a few others

:)


Seriously, good to see small orders Leasing.

Lightsaber


Could they start delivering 8 frames plus a month next year?
That should help a lot with the backlog.


That's a bit over optimistic i fear. They are at approx 4 frames per month. Mobile should have 6 next year, so 0.5 frames per month. I don't think Mirabel can get to 7.5/month until after the preFAL comes online sometime 2021.

My guess:
Year - mirabel - mobile - total
2020 - 5/month - 0.5/month - about 70 in 2020
2021 - 6or7/month - 2/month - a little over 100
2022 - 8/month - 3/month - about 130
2023 - 9/month - 4/month - a little over 150
2024 - 10/month - 4/month - full production 168 per year
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:22 pm

Production is going to 14 aircraft per month in 2025.

By mid-2121, Airbus will convert the existing CRJ line to a pre-FAL (Final Assembly Line) for the A220, to support a combined Rate 14 at Mirabel and Mobile FALs.

https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/stat ... 4673303552

Image

According to some analysts, this rate will make the program cash positive.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:21 am

rrbsztk wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I came to see how close to a hundred deliveries..
Are we there yet?


Please note AirFrance is official.

I wondered if ALC or Air Madagascar or Ethiopian or AeroMexico or....

There are many active A220 sales campaigns. Including Qatas, Thai LCC, Indian airlines, and a few others

:)


Seriously, good to see small orders Leasing.

Lightsaber


Could they start delivering 8 frames plus a month next year?
That should help a lot with the backlog.


That's a bit over optimistic i fear. They are at approx 4 frames per month. Mobile should have 6 next year, so 0.5 frames per month. I don't think Mirabel can get to 7.5/month until after the preFAL comes online sometime 2021.

My guess:
Year - mirabel - mobile - total
2020 - 5/month - 0.5/month - about 70 in 2020
2021 - 6or7/month - 2/month - a little over 100
2022 - 8/month - 3/month - about 130
2023 - 9/month - 4/month - a little over 150
2024 - 10/month - 4/month - full production 168 per year

I was asking for the 100th delivered. They are at 94 last I looked. I agree a hundred per year is too optimistic. :spin:

Unfortunately, as noted in the post after yours, the new pre-FAL, by recycling an old building, delays 14/month until 2025 due to a later start.


I hope for a large Mobile "pre-FAL" to accelerate production further.

Lightsaber

late edit: Airfleets has 97 in customer hands:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:48 am

And just think, less than a year ago people were saying Airbus got the program to kill it. So exciting to see an all-new airplane succeed. Can't wait for the 500 to be launched!
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:15 pm

Another frame (to Egyptair) was delivered today. I believe that is the 45th for the year.

Another 4 are in various stages of flight testing (Air Canada-2nd flight done/Air Baltic-3rd flight done/Russia x 2-2nd & 3rd flight done).

They could actually hit 49 this year. Things are notably picking up.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:26 pm

Skywatcher wrote:
Another frame (to Egyptair) was delivered today. I believe that is the 45th for the year.

Another 4 are in various stages of flight testing (Air Canada-2nd flight done/Air Baltic-3rd flight done/Russia x 2-2nd & 3rd flight done).

They could actually hit 49 this year. Things are notably picking up.


Im getting 44th this year
1 Swiss
24 Delta
1 Korean
4 STLC
7 Air Baltic
7 EgyptAir
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:41 pm

Air Canada receives first a220, link to follow.

Edit; to include Airbus Press Release

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -a220.html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:40 pm

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Air Canada receives first a220, link to follow.

Edit; to include Airbus Press Release

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -a220.html

By my math, that is 99 A220 delivered to customers (since EIS). Did I miscount, or is the next delivery #100 at airlines (I realize AC has route proving and further training before carrying passengers, so I limit to delivered)?

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:47 pm

I javen't seen or heard of this, but wouldn't the A220 be a great biz jet? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:01 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Air Canada receives first a220, link to follow.

Edit; to include Airbus Press Release

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -a220.html


Is it still at YMX or was it flown to YUL?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:53 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Air Canada receives first a220, link to follow.

Edit; to include Airbus Press Release

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -a220.html


Is it still at YMX or was it flown to YUL?


FR24 showing it still in YMX
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:34 pm

55071 Air Baltic A220-300 is delivered. Delivery flight is pending; as regular will be done soon.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55071
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:43 am

Skywatcher wrote:
Another frame (to Egyptair) was delivered today. I believe that is the 45th for the year.

Another 4 are in various stages of flight testing (Air Canada-2nd flight done/Air Baltic-3rd flight done/Russia x 2-2nd & 3rd flight done).

They could actually hit 49 this year. Things are notably picking up.


As confirmed by Al Ahram:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/358262.aspx
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:39 pm

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