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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:56 pm

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You seem awfully confident that no one is interested. Presumably you have experience to justify this position - please elaborate for the rest of our benefit.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:29 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
VV wrote:
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You seem awfully confident that no one is interested. Presumably you have experience to justify this position - please elaborate for the rest of our benefit.



Please read carefully the article below.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... y-airport/

Then subtract 6,90 lb or 28 passengers from the number of passengers that CS100 can land at LCY. I haven't even included the fact CS300 would have slightly higher approach speed at same gross weight.

An airline CEO has to be stupid, crazy or completely stoned to order CS300 for operation at LCY.

Enough said. Please stop this madness about CS300 at LCY.
It's not going to happen. Full stop.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:00 pm

VV wrote:
wrongwayup wrote:
VV wrote:
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You seem awfully confident that no one is interested. Presumably you have experience to justify this position - please elaborate for the rest of our benefit.



Please read carefully the article below.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... y-airport/

Then subtract 6,90 lb or 28 passengers from the number of passengers that CS100 can land at LCY. I haven't even included the fact CS300 would have slightly higher approach speed at same gross weight.

An airline CEO has to be stupid, crazy or completely stoned to order CS300 for operation at LCY.

Enough said. Please stop this madness about CS300 at LCY.
It's not going to happen. Full stop.


You sir, have some serious issues
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:33 pm

Correction on the weight.


wrongwayup wrote:
VV wrote:
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You seem awfully confident that no one is interested. Presumably you have experience to justify this position - please elaborate for the rest of our benefit.



Please read carefully the article below.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... y-airport/

Then subtract 6,000 lb or 28 passengers from the number of passengers that CS100 can land at LCY. I haven't even included the fact CS300 would have slightly higher approach speed at same gross weight.

An airline CEO has to be stupid, crazy or completely stoned to order CS300 for operation at LCY.

Enough said. Please stop this madness about CS300 at LCY.
It's not going to happen. Full stop.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:11 pm

Why 6000 lbs? Weight difference is around 4000 lbs between frames and at 100kg/passenger that is ~20 passengers. 108 - 20 = 88. Which still would make it big for LCY.

I think you are missing the bit where no-one said an airline CEO would "order CS300 for operation at LCY" - the inference being for dedicated operation at LCY.

I believe I speak for everyone else when I say we are saying an airline CEO might order CS300 if it could operate at LCY quite effectively - as well as provide best-in-class CASM on every other route across Europe in their network. Maximum operational flexibility.


Furthermore CS300 won't have a higher approach speed c.f. CS100 when they are at the same landing weight - or if your being utterly pedantic then its fractions of a percent.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:02 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
Why 6000 lbs? Weight difference is around 4000 lbs between frames and at 100kg/passenger that is ~20 passengers. 108 - 20 = 88. Which still would make it big for LCY.

I think you are missing the bit where no-one said an airline CEO would "order CS300 for operation at LCY" - the inference being for dedicated operation at LCY.

I believe I speak for everyone else when I say we are saying an airline CEO might order CS300 if it could operate at LCY quite effectively - as well as provide best-in-class CASM on every other route across Europe in their network. Maximum operational flexibility.


Furthermore CS300 won't have a higher approach speed c.f. CS100 when they are at the same landing weight - or if your being utterly pedantic then its fractions of a percent.


Not going to happen.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:09 pm

VV wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
Why 6000 lbs? Weight difference is around 4000 lbs between frames and at 100kg/passenger that is ~20 passengers. 108 - 20 = 88. Which still would make it big for LCY.

I think you are missing the bit where no-one said an airline CEO would "order CS300 for operation at LCY" - the inference being for dedicated operation at LCY.

I believe I speak for everyone else when I say we are saying an airline CEO might order CS300 if it could operate at LCY quite effectively - as well as provide best-in-class CASM on every other route across Europe in their network. Maximum operational flexibility.


Furthermore CS300 won't have a higher approach speed c.f. CS100 when they are at the same landing weight - or if your being utterly pedantic then its fractions of a percent.


Not going to happen.

You really sound like a broken record...

"Not gonna happen" is your opinion, you've voiced it many times on this thread.
Now, drop the I-know-it-all attitude and let others dream the A220-300 can be certified at LCY; you'll see, your blood pressure will drop drastically...
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:44 pm

Swiss sells 108 seats (+ some overbooking?) per LCY bound CS1 flight.

Then they may unlock a further 17 seats if LCY is expected to be dry.

When the forecast changes for the worst though, Swiss reverses course and only fills 108 seats (some passengers may then be denied boarding...)

Can't find anymore where I read the above. Sorry.

Also (as it was mentionned a few posts above) a PIP is in the pipeline to improve the breaking performance and should resolve some or all of that restriction..
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:57 pm

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Today is the last day of Q2 2019.

Does anyone know what the delivery tally is for A220 for the first half 2019?


A220 Q1 Statistics: https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A2 ... 2019-03-31
A220 Q2 Statistics: https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A2 ... 2019-06-30
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:01 pm

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
Swiss sells 108 seats (+ some overbooking?) per LCY bound CS1 flight.

Then they may unlock a further 17 seats if LCY is expected to be dry.

When the forecast changes for the worst though, Swiss reverses course and only fills 108 seats (some passengers may then be denied boarding...)

Can't find anymore where I read the above. Sorry.

Also (as it was mentionned a few posts above) a PIP is in the pipeline to improve the breaking performance and should resolve some or all of that restriction..

Breaking PIPs tend to be the breaks, tires, and even spoilers.

Serious question, could this be part of the landing gear covers? (I just know no details.)

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:19 pm

Regret, I don't have further details of that PIP.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:24 pm

VV wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
Why 6000 lbs? Weight difference is around 4000 lbs between frames and at 100kg/passenger that is ~20 passengers. 108 - 20 = 88. Which still would make it big for LCY.

I think you are missing the bit where no-one said an airline CEO would "order CS300 for operation at LCY" - the inference being for dedicated operation at LCY.

I believe I speak for everyone else when I say we are saying an airline CEO might order CS300 if it could operate at LCY quite effectively - as well as provide best-in-class CASM on every other route across Europe in their network. Maximum operational flexibility.


Furthermore CS300 won't have a higher approach speed c.f. CS100 when they are at the same landing weight - or if your being utterly pedantic then its fractions of a percent.


Not going to happen.

Again, why? Without a break PIP, a very logical case for 88 passengers for existing aircraft. Then a break PIP was discussed.

If the premium is enough, why wouldn't Air Baltic add LCY to the network?

A break PIP should increase the landing weight by 3 or 4 tons. Or besides your opinion, why won't this happen? It helps to sell A220s in Europe.

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:28 pm

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
Why 6000 lbs? Weight difference is around 4000 lbs between frames and at 100kg/passenger that is ~20 passengers. 108 - 20 = 88. Which still would make it big for LCY.

I think you are missing the bit where no-one said an airline CEO would "order CS300 for operation at LCY" - the inference being for dedicated operation at LCY.

I believe I speak for everyone else when I say we are saying an airline CEO might order CS300 if it could operate at LCY quite effectively - as well as provide best-in-class CASM on every other route across Europe in their network. Maximum operational flexibility.


Furthermore CS300 won't have a higher approach speed c.f. CS100 when they are at the same landing weight - or if your being utterly pedantic then its fractions of a percent.


Not going to happen.

Again, why? Without a break PIP, a very logical case for 88 passengers for existing aircraft. Then a break PIP was discussed.

If the premium is enough, why wouldn't Air Baltic add LCY to the network?

A break PIP should increase the landing weight by 3 or 4 tons. Or besides your opinion, why won't this happen? It helps to sell A220s in Europe.

Lightsaber

Are the A220 brakes steel or ceramic?
Aren't ceramic brakes better for short runways and/or higher landing weight?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:22 am

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
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Not going to happen.

Again, why? Without a break PIP, a very logical case for 88 passengers for existing aircraft. Then a break PIP was discussed.

If the premium is enough, why wouldn't Air Baltic add LCY to the network?

A break PIP should increase the landing weight by 3 or 4 tons. Or besides your opinion, why won't this happen? It helps to sell A220s in Europe.

Lightsaber


Seriously? You ask why 88 passengers in a 140 seat aircraft is an issue?

CS300 operations to LCY would be absurd for many reasons. LCY is just one airport in Europe and would not change the fate of the A220 in any way. It can become a success (if correctly marketed) or a bust independently of operations at LCY.

It is quite curious to announce so many PIP (whatever it means) for such a young program. The aircraft was launched in 2008 or eleven years ago. What happened during its development? People talk about PIP for this and for that after only three years in-service when the aircraft was in development since 2008. There is something strange there.

Since it happens so early early in the production, I would not call those things a PIP, I would call them recovery program (from a shortfall).

As for helping to sell the A220 in Europe, it is not by increasing the MTOW and the range it becomes more attractive in that region. A 100-150 seat aircraft in Europe does not need to have 3,400 nm of range. The extra range only shows the aircraft is not optimized for the distances required for such small aircraft in Europe.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:25 am

lightsaber wrote:
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
Swiss sells 108 seats (+ some overbooking?) per LCY bound CS1 flight.

Then they may unlock a further 17 seats if LCY is expected to be dry.

When the forecast changes for the worst though, Swiss reverses course and only fills 108 seats (some passengers may then be denied boarding...)

Can't find anymore where I read the above. Sorry.

Also (as it was mentionned a few posts above) a PIP is in the pipeline to improve the breaking performance and should resolve some or all of that restriction..

Breaking PIPs tend to be the breaks, tires, and even spoilers.

Serious question, could this be part of the landing gear covers? (I just know no details.)

Lightsaber


Brakes, braking.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:44 am

lightsaber wrote:
As we say at work, present solutions, not problems.


A great professional mantra and an attitude missing in many work cultures.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:49 am

VV wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
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Not going to happen.

Again, why? Without a break PIP, a very logical case for 88 passengers for existing aircraft. Then a break PIP was discussed.

If the premium is enough, why wouldn't Air Baltic add LCY to the network?

A break PIP should increase the landing weight by 3 or 4 tons. Or besides your opinion, why won't this happen? It helps to sell A220s in Europe.

Lightsaber


Seriously? You ask why 88 passengers in a 140 seat aircraft is an issue?

CS300 operations to LCY would be absurd for many reasons. LCY is just one airport in Europe and would not change the fate of the A220 in any way. It can become a success (if correctly marketed) or a bust independently of operations at LCY.

It is quite curious to announce so many PIP (whatever it means) for such a young program. The aircraft was launched in 2008 or eleven years ago. What happened during its development? People talk about PIP for this and for that after only three years in-service when the aircraft was in development since 2008. There is something strange there.

Since it happens so early early in the production, I would not call those things a PIP, I would call them recovery program (from a shortfall).

As for helping to sell the A220 in Europe, it is not by increasing the MTOW and the range it becomes more attractive in that region. A 100-150 seat aircraft in Europe does not need to have 3,400 nm of range. The extra range only shows the aircraft is not optimized for the distances required for such small aircraft in Europe.


I hate to spoil your 'hate on the A220' party, but the E190 was originally launched at the Paris Air Show in 1999, entered production in 2002, and began certification flights for LCY in 2009 (or 10 years after official launch). The A220, as you say, was launched in 2008 and here we are virtually 10 years after launch discussing whether the A220-300 might ever be certified for LCY. Dare I suggest that, somewhere between 1999 and 2009, someone like you probably strenuously and repeatedly denied that the E190 would ever be used at LCY?

As to your original post along the lines of "why would Airbus/Bombardier be so stupid as to certify the A220 for LCY", well they would be so stupid if Swiss or Air Baltic asked (i.e. paid) them to do so, and I've seen nothing in your comments to make me trust your opinion over that of airline tech ops/scheduling/revenue/yield/performance specialists. Time will tell, I expect...
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:55 am

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I hate to spoil your 'hate on the A220' party, but the E190 was originally launched at the Paris Air Show in 1999, entered production in 2002, and began certification flights for LCY in 2009 (or 10 years after official launch). The A220, as you say, was launched in 2008 and here we are virtually 10 years after launch discussing whether the A220-300 might ever be certified for LCY. Dare I suggest that, somewhere between 1999 and 2009, someone like you probably strenuously and repeatedly denied that the E190 would ever be used at LCY?


"Hate" on the A220? I just see the reality. Unless LCY does something radical with their facilities including the runways and taxiways and parkings, there won't be any A220-300 ever at LCY.

DeltaB717 wrote:
As to your original post along the lines of "why would Airbus/Bombardier be so stupid as to certify the A220 for LCY", well they would be so stupid if Swiss or Air Baltic asked (i.e. paid) them to do so, and I've seen nothing in your comments to make me trust your opinion over that of airline tech ops/scheduling/revenue/yield/performance specialists. Time will tell, I expect...


You said, "if Swiss or Air Baltic asked". That's a big "if".

I would not say anything about my knowledge on those aspects you mentioned at the end of your comment.

And yes, time will tell.
And time will tell you CS300 at LCY is not going to happen.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:05 am

I seem to vagualy remember this thread being titled 'A220 DELIVERY and PRODUCTION thread'. Not the 'endless griping and going in circles about whether the A220-300 will ever be certified for LCY' thread.

Is that just me?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:19 am

Scorpio wrote:
I seem to vagualy remember this thread being titled 'A220 DELIVERY and PRODUCTION thread'. Not the 'endless griping and going in circles about whether the A220-300 will ever be certified for LCY' thread.

Is that just me?


A new thread, if accepted by the moderator on A220-300 (CS300) at LCY.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1426109
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:34 am

HB-JBI, the 9th CS100 will depart YMX this morning and arrive in ZRH tomorrow. Then only 1 frame to be delivered to LX to conclude their orderbook.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:43 pm

VV wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
I seem to vagualy remember this thread being titled 'A220 DELIVERY and PRODUCTION thread'. Not the 'endless griping and going in circles about whether the A220-300 will ever be certified for LCY' thread.

Is that just me?


A new thread, if accepted by the moderator on A220-300 (CS300) at LCY.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1426109


Good idea, thanks.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:37 am

The first A220 for airbus usa is being loaded right now
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:33 pm

DALCE wrote:
HB-JBI, the 9th CS100 will depart YMX this morning and arrive in ZRH tomorrow. Then only 1 frame to be delivered to LX to conclude their orderbook.


Really strange to me that LH Group hasn't pulled the trigger on their options. Those options would be absolutely perfect for OS, I would think. Maybe even a few CS100s to operate into LCY from VIE.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:49 pm

TObound wrote:
DALCE wrote:
HB-JBI, the 9th CS100 will depart YMX this morning and arrive in ZRH tomorrow. Then only 1 frame to be delivered to LX to conclude their orderbook.


Really strange to me that LH Group hasn't pulled the trigger on their options. Those options would be absolutely perfect for OS, I would think. Maybe even a few CS100s to operate into LCY from VIE.


Hopefully soon. At this point Mirabel needs orders in 2021 just to keepat 4 per month.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:57 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
TObound wrote:
DALCE wrote:
HB-JBI, the 9th CS100 will depart YMX this morning and arrive in ZRH tomorrow. Then only 1 frame to be delivered to LX to conclude their orderbook.


Really strange to me that LH Group hasn't pulled the trigger on their options. Those options would be absolutely perfect for OS, I would think. Maybe even a few CS100s to operate into LCY from VIE.


Hopefully soon. At this point Mirabel needs orders in 2021 just to keepat 4 per month.


Once you look at a lot of the bunk orders (like Republic or Gulf Air), it's becoming obvious, they need existing customers to start picking up the options.

I see on Wiki that OS is phasing out the Q400 by 2021. Surely, the perfect time to start taking those options. I would imagine 10 221s would replace those Q400s perfectly (and fit in some LCY!). And 20 223s would replace those 319s and E190s pretty well too. From three subtypes in three different families to one family with two subtypes should be a huge boost in efficiency for OS.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:59 pm

While somewhat disappointed that more orders haven't been announced, I m thinking that there are some "wink and a nod," agreements. How else to explain the Mobile investment?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:11 pm

TObound wrote:

I see on Wiki that OS is phasing out the Q400 by 2021. Surely, the perfect time to start taking those options. I would imagine 10 221s would replace those Q400s perfectly (and fit in some LCY!). And 20 223s would replace those 319s and E190s pretty well too. From three subtypes in three different families to one family with two subtypes should be a huge boost in efficiency for OS.

They're already replacing them with A320s I believe... can't remember how many they are going to get, and I'm not sure if they'll be transferred from LHG airlines or if they're from other airlines.
On the LH Group fleet site it's showing as the first A320 coming in 2020 as OE-LZA:
https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/austrian
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:04 am

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The first A220 for airbus usa is being loaded right now

Can you elaborate on this? When will it get to Mobile?
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:24 am

I thought the Republic order was cancelled in Bankruptcy court??
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:43 am

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I thought the Republic order was cancelled in Bankruptcy court??


Republic did not reject the contract during bankruptcy. Evidently, the benefits of maintaining the contract with the renegotiated delivery completed in 2016 outweighed the benefit of rejecting the contract.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:45 am

admanager wrote:
mad99 wrote:
The first A220 for airbus usa is being loaded right now

Can you elaborate on this? When will it get to Mobile?



Airbus is assembling A220 aircraft in Mobile and they’ve started assembling the first one. So we have two FAL’s, Mirabel in Canada and Airbus USA in Mobile Alabama
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:45 am

mad99 wrote:
admanager wrote:
mad99 wrote:
The first A220 for airbus usa is being loaded right now

Can you elaborate on this? When will it get to Mobile?



Airbus is assembling A220 aircraft in Mobile and they’ve started assembling the first one. So we have two FAL’s, Mirabel in Canada and Airbus USA in Mobile Alabama



But the infrastructure down there won't be complete for quite a while?
 
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kimimm19 wrote:
mad99 wrote:
admanager wrote:
Can you elaborate on this? When will it get to Mobile?



Airbus is assembling A220 aircraft in Mobile and they’ve started assembling the first one. So we have two FAL’s, Mirabel in Canada and Airbus USA in Mobile Alabama



But the infrastructure down there won't be complete for quite a while?


Its in a temporary building for the first few aeroplanes
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:02 pm

mad99 wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
mad99 wrote:


Airbus is assembling A220 aircraft in Mobile and they’ve started assembling the first one. So we have two FAL’s, Mirabel in Canada and Airbus USA in Mobile Alabama



But the infrastructure down there won't be complete for quite a while?


Its in a temporary building for the first few aeroplanes


The Elon Musk solution.....LOL.

I wonder if the actual (permanent) line becomes operational at the beginning or end of 2020.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:24 pm

SteelChair wrote:
While somewhat disappointed that more orders haven't been announced, I m thinking that there are some "wink and a nod," agreements. How else to explain the Mobile investment?


Less "wink and nod" than hedging I would think. Regulatory risk from a less stable US trade regulatory regime. Currency hedging as well. Also, if you look at the long term and consider that the 225 might replace the 320 eventually, building that line in Mobile now and building an employee skill base in assembling 220s suddenly makes a lot more sense. There's a lot of strategic goals that line up with the Mobile line.

As rrbstzk mentioned, they really need more orders to materialize now. Assuming the ramp goes well, combined output between the two FALS will hit 10 per month by the end of 2021. They'll have capacity for new orders by the middle/end of next year....especially if Air Baltic decides to slow down some of their orders (looking more likely to me). And will have run out the realistic backlog (discounting orders like Republic and Odyssey) by 2024. That's substantially less than the 320NEO backlog. My faint hope is that the 225 launches by then.
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:29 pm

When are Airbus on the hook to have to buy out the remainder of the program?
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:39 pm

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When are Airbus on the hook to have to buy out the remainder of the program?


They can buy out the Quebec government in 2023. And Bombardier in 2025.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:54 pm

TObound wrote:
mad99 wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:


But the infrastructure down there won't be complete for quite a while?


Its in a temporary building for the first few aeroplanes


The Elon Musk solution.....LOL.

I wonder if the actual (permanent) line becomes operational at the beginning or end of 2020.



Apparently the ed of this year with the first delivery scheduled in mid 2020:

https://www.skiesmag.com/press-releases ... t-success/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:20 am

Look at this tweet from June 20th:
https://twitter.com/AirbusInTheUS/status/1141810942872829958
#A220 production in Mobile is 1 step closer to reality as the 1st major component assemblies (MCAs) for the 1st aircraft have been delivered to the A#irbus U.S. Manufacturing Facility. More MCAs to follow
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:40 am

kimimm19 wrote:
TObound wrote:
mad99 wrote:

Its in a temporary building for the first few aeroplanes


The Elon Musk solution.....LOL.

I wonder if the actual (permanent) line becomes operational at the beginning or end of 2020.



Apparently the ed of this year with the first delivery scheduled in mid 2020:

https://www.skiesmag.com/press-releases ... t-success/


Regarding timelines and prior announcements...
It was announced first, assembly will start Q3 2019 on an empty space inside of the existing A320 FAL building at Mobile; if it is still true or plans have changed in the meanwhile; who knows. Temporary building is "new for me"; I have seen many posts her, saying this, but have never seen any official announcements or prrf for it, saying something regarding start in an temporary building..

Official announcement was (as I remember): "First delivery from the NEW A220 FAL BUILDING" will be mid of 2021. This must not be equal to: "first delivery of an A220 from Mobile as first will soon start the assembling at Mobile at another building. Still in my opinion it is most likely, that later on the first half assembled A220's will be moved to the new FAL building, when completed. This will be useful, as it will be possible to fill up and start to work at several stations at the new A220 FAL, instead to start with one/first bird just on position one in the building. So for me it is likely, we will see the first A220 from Mobile mid of next year.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:43 am

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Look at this tweet from June 20th:
https://twitter.com/AirbusInTheUS/status/1141810942872829958
#A220 production in Mobile is 1 step closer to reality as the 1st major component assemblies (MCAs) for the 1st aircraft have been delivered to the A#irbus U.S. Manufacturing Facility. More MCAs to follow

Thank you. Yes, that was posted over 120 posts back, before this thread got derailed into whether the -300 would be certified at LCY. I don't blame you for missing it!

About the photo in that tweet… did anyone else notice the labelling on the crate that says FWD, but with the arrow pointing towards the back of the trailer??? :?

Image
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:35 pm

Likely nothing to do with shipping and applies to assembly location. Load is crated and well balanced on trailer by the look of things. Would really like to see some new orders though.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:13 pm

I think Airbus already has finnished one of the two additional Cabin outfitting/flightline hangars. Look at the top of this image.
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alabamanewscenter.com

If I remember correctly, Bombardier used a single assembly jig to build the CSeries test aircraft. This jig was placed inside the hangers now used cabin installation. I think Airbus and Bombardier have decided to move this jig to Mobile Alabama. I think they set it up in the new cabin outfitting hangar.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:15 pm

AvroLanc wrote:
Likely nothing to do with shipping and applies to assembly location. Load is crated and well balanced on trailer by the look of things. Would really like to see some new orders though.


Current order totals are for 536. Considering the slow start, its good to see momentum growing. Still wish it was a full Canadian Flag adorning it, but happy to know this is still the largest totally indigenous design to ever leave Canadian soil.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:33 pm

aerolimani wrote:
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Look at this tweet from June 20th:
https://twitter.com/AirbusInTheUS/status/1141810942872829958
#A220 production in Mobile is 1 step closer to reality as the 1st major component assemblies (MCAs) for the 1st aircraft have been delivered to the A#irbus U.S. Manufacturing Facility. More MCAs to follow

Thank you. Yes, that was posted over 120 posts back, before this thread got derailed into whether the -300 would be certified at LCY. I don't blame you for missing it!

About the photo in that tweet… did anyone else notice the labelling on the crate that says FWD, but with the arrow pointing towards the back of the trailer??? :?

Image



FWD = which way the nose is pointing inside the box
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:15 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
I think Airbus already has finnished one of the two additional Cabin outfitting/flightline hangars. Look at the top of this image.
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alabamanewscenter.com

I’m not sure what you are getting at. That is a render of what the facility will look like when completed, not an image of the progress thus far.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:47 am

An interesting fact: the past two Delta A220-100s tied and beat the previous best time between first flight and delivery with 9 and 5 days respectively.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:10 am

 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:23 pm

SQ22 wrote:
VV wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
I seem to vagualy remember this thread being titled 'A220 DELIVERY and PRODUCTION thread'. Not the 'endless griping and going in circles about whether the A220-300 will ever be certified for LCY' thread.

Is that just me?


A new thread, if accepted by the moderator on A220-300 (CS300) at LCY.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1426109


Good idea, thanks.


It seems that some insist on ignoring the moderation alert that this topic is about "Delivery / Production Thread".

Would it be lacking in "understanding the text" or trying to value your personal ideas ???
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