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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:36 pm

You can track title transfers in the Export scheme of Canada. (At least for the non AC Aircraft ;) )
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:29 pm

I was on a lovely A220 to ZRH today. Really enjoyed the flight!

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:13 pm

StTim wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
From what I calculate, 22 A220-200's and 13 A220-300's delivered so far in 2019. Total of 35. 10 more to be delivered in the remaining 3 months of the year to meet their target of 45 deliveries for the year.


Correct however note last year in an effort to deliver 800 planes Airbus counted the first two physical deliveries in Jan2019 as 2018 deliveries. Since Airbus counted them as 2018, in terms of reaching their goal of 45 this year i think they need to do 12 more personally. It's definitely made counting murky.



Airbus count delivery at the point that title of the plane is transferred to the airline - not when the frame is physically flown away from the FAL.

There is nothing murky there just that we do not get told when title transfers. We can however track delivery flights.


Murky was not the best choice of word on my part. My broader point behind "murky" was that you can count based on title transfers or date of delivery flight and neither is necessarily more correct than the other. However since Airbus used those two deliveries that were on paper 2018 but 2019 delivery flights to reach a goal of 800, i don't think Airbus gets to double count those 2 towards the reported goal of 45.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:50 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
StTim wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:

Correct however note last year in an effort to deliver 800 planes Airbus counted the first two physical deliveries in Jan2019 as 2018 deliveries. Since Airbus counted them as 2018, in terms of reaching their goal of 45 this year i think they need to do 12 more personally. It's definitely made counting murky.



Airbus count delivery at the point that title of the plane is transferred to the airline - not when the frame is physically flown away from the FAL.

There is nothing murky there just that we do not get told when title transfers. We can however track delivery flights.


Murky was not the best choice of word on my part. My broader point behind "murky" was that you can count based on title transfers or date of delivery flight and neither is necessarily more correct than the other. However since Airbus used those two deliveries that were on paper 2018 but 2019 delivery flights to reach a goal of 800, i don't think Airbus gets to double count those 2 towards the reported goal of 45.

Here is another way to look at it. GTLK has taken 2 A223 and put them in storage at MST(?) pending leasing. If they had decided to store them at YMX, they wouldn't have been any less delivered.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:21 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
Murky was not the best choice of word on my part. My broader point behind "murky" was that you can count based on title transfers or date of delivery flight and neither is necessarily more correct than the other. However since Airbus used those two deliveries that were on paper 2018 but 2019 delivery flights to reach a goal of 800, i don't think Airbus gets to double count those 2 towards the reported goal of 45.


Sorry to say, but why do you believe, it was on the request of Airbus or let us say "only on request of Airbus"?
Everyone in business and every company worldwide always tries to clean the books at the end of the year. It is the same for Airbus, as the same for the Airlines.
So who knows, if the airlines have not requested them to be delivered in the last year (so they are already booked (and perhaps the money/purchase price is already funded))? Pretty sure, Airbus has liked it, they will be happy, to have the deliveries and the money in the books as early as possible. Nothing is as worse, than something pending at the end of the year.

So a win-win situation for everyone.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:21 am

T4thH wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Murky was not the best choice of word on my part. My broader point behind "murky" was that you can count based on title transfers or date of delivery flight and neither is necessarily more correct than the other. However since Airbus used those two deliveries that were on paper 2018 but 2019 delivery flights to reach a goal of 800, i don't think Airbus gets to double count those 2 towards the reported goal of 45.


Sorry to say, but why do you believe, it was on the request of Airbus or let us say "only on request of Airbus"?
Everyone in business and every company worldwide always tries to clean the books at the end of the year. It is the same for Airbus, as the same for the Airlines.
So who knows, if the airlines have not requested them to be delivered in the last year (so they are already booked (and perhaps the money/purchase price is already funded))? Pretty sure, Airbus has liked it, they will be happy, to have the deliveries and the money in the books as early as possible. Nothing is as worse, than something pending at the end of the year.

So a win-win situation for everyone.


I'm not sure I'm following what you're getting at. I'm fine with Airbus counting 55048 delivered to Air Tanzania on Jan 9th 2019 and 55046 delivered to Swiss on Jan 10th 2019 as being two of the 800 planes they delivered in 2018.

If they only build 43 this year on top of those two for a total of 45 and say we met our goal of 45 deliveries this year I would be irked Airbus is using 55046 & 48 to meet their 2018 and 2019 goals. They got to say "we built 800 planes in 2018" and if they want to say "we met our goal of 45 A220 in 2019" they need to do 45 above and beyond those 2.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:56 pm

We have 14 new firm orders for the A220 in Sep-2019.

10x firm orders by undisclosed for the A220-100.
4x undisclosed for the A220-300.

These two firm orders were performed by two different undisclosed customers.
Complete backlock for the A220 is now 435.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:08 pm

T4thH wrote:
We have 14 new firm orders for the A220 in Sep-2019.

10x firm orders by undisclosed for the A220-100.
4x undisclosed for the A220-300.

These two firm orders were performed by two different undisclosed customers.
Complete backlock for the A220 is now 435.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html


Could Swiss be the 4 A223s? They've got 3 relatively old A319s that could be replaced.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 pm

rufusmi wrote:
T4thH wrote:
We have 14 new firm orders for the A220 in Sep-2019.

10x firm orders by undisclosed for the A220-100.
4x undisclosed for the A220-300.

These two firm orders were performed by two different undisclosed customers.
Complete backlock for the A220 is now 435.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html


Could Swiss be the 4 A223s? They've got 3 relatively old A319s that could be replaced.


Actually, while the press release says they're two different customers, the O&D spreadsheet points to it being for a single customer. Maybe this could be the Ethiopian or Interjet order we've been potentially hearing about?

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:52 pm

Ups, surprise. surprise; as just seen: SWISS has changed the order in Sep-2019. They will not any more take up the pending A220-100 frame 50019, which was for prolonged time stored as half completed, together with A220-100 frame 500018. Frame 50018 was delivered with two years delay on 02-Jul-2019.
For Sep 2019, the backlog is now for
A220-100: 9 ordered (former in Aug-2019 10) 9 delivered, 9 in operation.
A220-300: 21 ordered (former in Aug-2019 20), 20 delivered and 20 in operation.

So A220-100 frame 50019...the next one, who will be not completed and scrapped, or will end up as business jet?

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html
Please compare delivery figures for Aug-2019 and Sep-2019.

EDIT: just verified. I can not believe, how fast this guy is: ABCDList.
Question: Are you part of this forum? In this case greetings, excellent job.
It is already identified and implemented.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:21 pm

rufusmi wrote:
T4thH wrote:
We have 14 new firm orders for the A220 in Sep-2019.

10x firm orders by undisclosed for the A220-100.
4x undisclosed for the A220-300.

These two firm orders were performed by two different undisclosed customers.
Complete backlock for the A220 is now 435.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html


Could Swiss be the 4 A223s? They've got 3 relatively old A319s that could be replaced.


It looks like these will be replaced by A320Ns. There are 14 old A320s to be replaced, 17 Neos joning soonish. 7 Older 321s with 9 Neos on order. Given the slot situation, I can see a expanding by 2 frames. And the 319s will leave very soon, so a replacement ordered now will be too late.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:11 pm

DUSZRH wrote:
rufusmi wrote:
T4thH wrote:
We have 14 new firm orders for the A220 in Sep-2019.

10x firm orders by undisclosed for the A220-100.
4x undisclosed for the A220-300.

These two firm orders were performed by two different undisclosed customers.
Complete backlock for the A220 is now 435.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html


Could Swiss be the 4 A223s? They've got 3 relatively old A319s that could be replaced.


It looks like these will be replaced by A320Ns. There are 14 old A320s to be replaced, 17 Neos joning soonish. 7 Older 321s with 9 Neos on order. Given the slot situation, I can see a expanding by 2 frames. And the 319s will leave very soon, so a replacement ordered now will be too late.


Hmmm...these two? undisclosed orders are interesting.
A) Both orders have been performed on 13.Sep-2019, are stated in one order as "undisclosed", but shall be for two different customers. So one has ordered for two customers, and this is stated as undisclosed....this is typical for...see below.
B) Who is now ordering A220-100 and than 10 of them in once? Either someone has ordered 10 jets for London City (...no, IAG is on the stock market, they have to announce a firm order in recent time on same day prior start of the stock market or after the stock market has closed latest) or someone has ordered for hot and high!
A) + B) = China.
The Chinese government has ordered 14 A220 for two of their half governmental owned airlines. These will stay as undisclosed, till they will be delivered (as standard and regular again and again seen) to the airlines. It is known, when the first fin tail is painted. The A220 approval for China is expected now in next weeks/days. And they will need the A220-100 for Tibet. But in this case, the A220-100 is replacing the A319 Neo; it is now really getting obsolete.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:59 pm

T4thH wrote:
Ups, surprise. surprise; as just seen: SWISS has changed the order in Sep-2019. They will not any more take up the pending A220-100 frame 50019, which was for prolonged time stored as half completed, together with A220-100 frame 500018. Frame 50018 was delivered with two years delay on 02-Jul-2019.
For Sep 2019, the backlog is now for
A220-100: 9 ordered (former in Aug-2019 10) 9 delivered, 9 in operation.
A220-300: 21 ordered (former in Aug-2019 20), 20 delivered and 20 in operation.

So A220-100 frame 50019...the next one, who will be not completed and scrapped, or will end up as business jet?

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html
Please compare delivery figures for Aug-2019 and Sep-2019.

EDIT: just verified. I can not believe, how fast this guy is: ABCDList.
Question: Are you part of this forum? In this case greetings, excellent job.
It is already identified and implemented.
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html


Actually, SWISS converted the last to be delivered from a -100 to a -300. This last plane will be delivered in late 2020.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:08 pm

rufusmi wrote:
rufusmi wrote:
T4thH wrote:
We have 14 new firm orders for the A220 in Sep-2019.

10x firm orders by undisclosed for the A220-100.
4x undisclosed for the A220-300.

These two firm orders were performed by two different undisclosed customers.
Complete backlock for the A220 is now 435.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html


Could Swiss be the 4 A223s? They've got 3 relatively old A319s that could be replaced.


Actually, while the press release says they're two different customers, the O&D spreadsheet points to it being for a single customer. Maybe this could be the Ethiopian or Interjet order we've been potentially hearing about?

It can be two different UFO customers who happened to sign the same day.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:58 pm

T4thH wrote:
DUSZRH wrote:
rufusmi wrote:

Could Swiss be the 4 A223s? They've got 3 relatively old A319s that could be replaced.


It looks like these will be replaced by A320Ns. There are 14 old A320s to be replaced, 17 Neos joning soonish. 7 Older 321s with 9 Neos on order. Given the slot situation, I can see a expanding by 2 frames. And the 319s will leave very soon, so a replacement ordered now will be too late.


Hmmm...these two? undisclosed orders are interesting.
A) Both orders have been performed on 13.Sep-2019, are stated in one order as "undisclosed", but shall be for two different customers. So one has ordered for two customers, and this is stated as undisclosed....this is typical for...see below.
B) Who is now ordering A220-100 and than 10 of them in once? Either someone has ordered 10 jets for London City (...no, IAG is on the stock market, they have to announce a firm order in recent time on same day prior start of the stock market or after the stock market has closed latest) or someone has ordered for hot and high!
A) + B) = China.
The Chinese government has ordered 14 A220 for two of their half governmental owned airlines. These will stay as undisclosed, till they will be delivered (as standard and regular again and again seen) to the airlines. It is known, when the first fin tail is painted. The A220 approval for China is expected now in next weeks/days. And they will need the A220-100 for Tibet. But in this case, the A220-100 is replacing the A319 Neo; it is now really getting obsolete.


It was announced this morning that the undisclosed order for 4-300's is for Czech Airlines
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:01 pm

Jetsouth wrote:
T4thH wrote:
DUSZRH wrote:

It looks like these will be replaced by A320Ns. There are 14 old A320s to be replaced, 17 Neos joning soonish. 7 Older 321s with 9 Neos on order. Given the slot situation, I can see a expanding by 2 frames. And the 319s will leave very soon, so a replacement ordered now will be too late.


Hmmm...these two? undisclosed orders are interesting.
A) Both orders have been performed on 13.Sep-2019, are stated in one order as "undisclosed", but shall be for two different customers. So one has ordered for two customers, and this is stated as undisclosed....this is typical for...see below.
B) Who is now ordering A220-100 and than 10 of them in once? Either someone has ordered 10 jets for London City (...no, IAG is on the stock market, they have to announce a firm order in recent time on same day prior start of the stock market or after the stock market has closed latest) or someone has ordered for hot and high!
A) + B) = China.
The Chinese government has ordered 14 A220 for two of their half governmental owned airlines. These will stay as undisclosed, till they will be delivered (as standard and regular again and again seen) to the airlines. It is known, when the first fin tail is painted. The A220 approval for China is expected now in next weeks/days. And they will need the A220-100 for Tibet. But in this case, the A220-100 is replacing the A319 Neo; it is now really getting obsolete.


It was announced this morning that the undisclosed order for 4-300's is for Czech Airlines


Was it ever confirmed? Or just a rumour from Fliegerfaust?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:05 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
T4thH wrote:

Hmmm...these two? undisclosed orders are interesting.
A) Both orders have been performed on 13.Sep-2019, are stated in one order as "undisclosed", but shall be for two different customers. So one has ordered for two customers, and this is stated as undisclosed....this is typical for...see below.
B) Who is now ordering A220-100 and than 10 of them in once? Either someone has ordered 10 jets for London City (...no, IAG is on the stock market, they have to announce a firm order in recent time on same day prior start of the stock market or after the stock market has closed latest) or someone has ordered for hot and high!
A) + B) = China.
The Chinese government has ordered 14 A220 for two of their half governmental owned airlines. These will stay as undisclosed, till they will be delivered (as standard and regular again and again seen) to the airlines. It is known, when the first fin tail is painted. The A220 approval for China is expected now in next weeks/days. And they will need the A220-100 for Tibet. But in this case, the A220-100 is replacing the A319 Neo; it is now really getting obsolete.


It was announced this morning that the undisclosed order for 4-300's is for Czech Airlines


Was it ever confirmed? Or just a rumour from Fliegerfaust?


I've not found confirmation besides fligerfaust. I did however find confirmation that they are cutting order from 7 A320neo to 3, so getting 4 A223s fits with that.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-461333/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:05 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:

It was announced this morning that the undisclosed order for 4-300's is for Czech Airlines


Was it ever confirmed? Or just a rumour from Fliegerfaust?


I've not found confirmation besides fligerfaust. I did however find confirmation that they are cutting order from 7 A320neo to 3, so getting 4 A223s fits with that.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-461333/

I am well aware of the reduced order by Czech, when I have typed my conclusion, I will not exclude it, that Czech has ordered the 4 jets but...
1. Fliegerfaust is excellent informed in some cases, but his conclusions are....often a little bit too optimistic. So he got some few information....and than he starts to dream.
2. As it is stated in the listing as announced in the publication for last month; it is one single order but for two different customers. So either Smartwing, the owner of CSA, has ordered 4 A220-300 for CSA and 10 A220-100 for another of their airlines (subsidiaries), so Smartwing Hungary, Poland or Slovakia.....But why they shall order 10x A220-100? And these 3 airlines have just one single bird each. It does not fit.
Additional, Smartwing has announced to change all their Chech Airlines to a single B737 fleet. This includes CSA.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:40 pm

T4thH wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Someone83 wrote:

Was it ever confirmed? Or just a rumour from Fliegerfaust?


I've not found confirmation besides fligerfaust. I did however find confirmation that they are cutting order from 7 A320neo to 3, so getting 4 A223s fits with that.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-461333/

I am well aware of the reduced order by Czech, when I have typed my conclusion, I will not exclude it, that Czech has ordered the 4 jets but...
1. Fliegerfaust is excellent informed in some cases, but his conclusions are....often a little bit too optimistic. So he got some few information....and than he starts to dream.
2. As it is stated in the listing as announced in the publication for last month; it is one single order but for two different customers. So either Smartwing, the owner of CSA, has ordered 4 A220-300 for CSA and 10 A220-100 for another of their airlines (subsidiaries), so Smartwing Hungary, Poland or Slovakia.....But why they shall order 10x A220-100? And these 3 airlines have just one single bird each. It does not fit.
Additional, Smartwing has announced to change all their Chech Airlines to a single B737 fleet. This includes CSA.


Agree fligerfaust isn't always reliable. Right now i see it as a decentish possibility they're for czech but by no means for certain yet.

I will say I think fligerfaust has improved over the last few years to hold back on optimism about orders. I feel like the emails have switched to more updates about airlines looking at the A220 without jumping the gun on calling it a sale (i haven't actually counted emails though so this could all be in my head). I still take it with a grain of salt though.

I'm also open to the possibility that they are two different undisclosed customers on the same day as someone suggested. If it is one customer for both orders could it be a lessor for two different airlines, one of them czech? I agree with you that smart wings probably doesn't need 10 A221s.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:04 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
T4thH wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:

I've not found confirmation besides fligerfaust. I did however find confirmation that they are cutting order from 7 A320neo to 3, so getting 4 A223s fits with that.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-461333/

I am well aware of the reduced order by Czech, when I have typed my conclusion, I will not exclude it, that Czech has ordered the 4 jets but...
1. Fliegerfaust is excellent informed in some cases, but his conclusions are....often a little bit too optimistic. So he got some few information....and than he starts to dream.
2. As it is stated in the listing as announced in the publication for last month; it is one single order but for two different customers. So either Smartwing, the owner of CSA, has ordered 4 A220-300 for CSA and 10 A220-100 for another of their airlines (subsidiaries), so Smartwing Hungary, Poland or Slovakia.....But why they shall order 10x A220-100? And these 3 airlines have just one single bird each. It does not fit.
Additional, Smartwing has announced to change all their Chech Airlines to a single B737 fleet. This includes CSA.


Agree fligerfaust isn't always reliable. Right now i see it as a decentish possibility they're for czech but by no means for certain yet.

I will say I think fligerfaust has improved over the last few years to hold back on optimism about orders. I feel like the emails have switched to more updates about airlines looking at the A220 without jumping the gun on calling it a sale (i haven't actually counted emails though so this could all be in my head). I still take it with a grain of salt though.

I'm also open to the possibility that they are two different undisclosed customers on the same day as someone suggested. If it is one customer for both orders could it be a lessor for two different airlines, one of them czech? I agree with you that smart wings probably doesn't need 10 A221s.

If Airbus did not make an error in the listing; of course, this can not be excluded, but do not believe it.: If it would have been 2 orders by UFO on same date, we would see two lines with undisclosed, One with 10 A221 and one with 4 A223 and both with same date. But there is only one line, with 4x A221 and 10x A223.
I will not exclude the lessor, but: Who needs 10x A221 now? The A220 family is still a niche jet, but the A221 is now the niche of the niche. For Europe, it is just London City Airport. Few will/can be needed in South America as replacement for the A319 for hot short and and high, or buy A319 Neo), few for Africa for hot and short, Ethiopian airlines have only a need for hot and high, for this the A223 is OK. Or Asia, for hot and extreme high, Himalaya. China will need either A319 Neo or A221, there are no other planes, who can do this and who are still in production. If the 10x A221 are for China, it is of course the next nail in the coffin for the A319 Neo.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:06 pm

Please take order discussion to a new thread. We try to keep the production/delivery threads on topic.

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:42 am

MSN50045 scheduled for delivery to Delta today according to Skyliner

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50045 N126DU Delta Air Lines delivery 10oct19 YMX-ATL ex C-FOYB
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:05 pm

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MSN50045 scheduled for delivery to Delta today according to Skyliner

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50045 N126DU Delta Air Lines delivery 10oct19 YMX-ATL ex C-FOYB


If this rate continues,it would appear Dal will definitely be taking more than originally forecasted for 2019
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:25 pm

Delivery Schedule of Reported/Announced A220 Deliveries
BOLD is reported in news/press release/filings
underline is reported by A.net user
italics is when i evened deliveries out based on known data as best able
*#* is grains of salt, at best its a guess on year by year breakdown

Mobile (presuming all A223 for Delta, JetBlue, and Moxy)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Delta A223s..........6.......12......17.......15
JetBlue................1........6........8........19.......22.......14..
Moxy............ .......0........6......*12*....*12*.....*15*....*15*
MOBILE TOTAL....7......24.......37.......46.......37.......29
Mirabel (all others)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Air Austral.............2.........1
Air Baltic.....8.......12.......12........4
Air Canada .1.......14.......15......15
Air France.....................*8*......*13*....*13*.....*13*.....*13*
Air Tanzania..........1.........1
Air Vanuatu ..........2.........2
Delta A221s..24....12.......*5*
EgyptAir.......7........5
Korean Air...1
STLC...........4........2
Swiss.......... 1......1
UndsclsdA..........*2*.......*2*
UndsclsdB......................*5*.......*5*
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
MIRABEL...46......53........51......37.......13......13.......13
COMBINED.46.....60.......75......74........59......50......42
For 2019 Airbus has reported a goal of 45.

Possible Orders to be added
Not included are shaky orders like Iraqi or lessor options. Current sales campaigns discussed in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1428303
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Lessors...............144 ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> --->---> --->
Possible Options/Purchase Rights/etc. to be added
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
EqyptAir...............12...---> ---> .---> --->
Swiss...................30 .---> ---> ---> --->
Korean..................20 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Vanuatu.....................4 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Baltic..................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Canada...............................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Delta..................................................50 .---> ---> .--->
JetBlue..................................................................50 .--->
Air France..............................................................60 .--->
Lessors, theoretically could be as early as next year. Options are based on year of last scheduled delivery.
These dates are approximate, included to help visualize where A220 slots could be assigned.

Data in previous posts, primarily #s 59, 130, 263, and 491 in this thread.

Updates in this post:
Delta: Changed the 5 A221 deliveries in 2021 to grain of salt, i'm suspecting they will be delivered earlier
STLC: Added back to table, 4 this year and 2 next. Initially Red Wings said all 6 this year, but at this point seems overly optimistic. Also adjusted lessors total.
EgyptAir: Changed to 7 and 5. Looking at ABCDlist https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html I am thinking 55071 will be the last A220-300 delivered this year.
Air Tanzania : Reported deliveries either late 2020 or early 2021. Switched from 2 in 2020 to 1 each year. https://www.eturbonews.com/268052/air-t ... rbus-a220/
Swiss: They will be getting a 21st A220-300 end of 2020 instead of the 10th A220-100 this year. https://centreforaviation.com/news/swis ... 020-944264
Added link to sales campaign page, sounds like Air Madagascar is close to officially ordering, as well as many others.

New Orders Added:
Air Austral:2 in 2020 and 1 in 2021 https://atwonline.com/aircraft-orders-d ... um=twitter
Undisclosed A: order for 4 A220-300s. Rumored to be for Czech starting with MSN 55109. The order definitely exists per Airbus official reporting, but nothing specific shared. Put in table as 2 in 2020 and 2 in 2021 with grains of salt as there are more questions than answers about this order at this point. https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airbus-new ... 23100.html
Undisclosed B: order for 10 A220-100s.
Even less info out there. I put it in table as grain of salt, more as a place holder than anything. My thought process was that Delta has a bunch of MSNs assigned already, and some more on order, plus Air Vaunatu has some on order, so earliest is 2021. Hopefully soon there will be more info.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:50 pm

When is the first AC A220 expected to roll out? End of November?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:06 am

lostsound wrote:
When is the first AC A220 expected to roll out? End of November?



It is still not on the production list.
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
A220-300 55017 was foreseen to be completed as AC, but it is now standing around since years.
A220-100 50019 will not any more taken by Swiss, instead an additional A220-300 will be taken.
Perhaps one of both will be completed as AC, but till now, no one is working on them. They are still both parked outside.

Also perhaps the A220-100 prototypes 50004 and 50005 can be rebuild and there is also still 50006, the first serial jet, never taken up.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:20 am

T4thH wrote:
lostsound wrote:
When is the first AC A220 expected to roll out? End of November?



It is still not on the production list.



Huh?

This is from the production list:

55067 (C) A220-300 Not
yet Not
yet Air Canada AC/
ACA
C-xxxx C-GROV On order, Final Assembly Line in YMX
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:22 am

lostsound wrote:
When is the first AC A220 expected to roll out? End of November?


Its MSN 55067. Based on what airlines have reported 3rd to last based on MSN this year (55071 is Air Baltics last delivery this year, 69 and 70 are from Mobile for Delta. 68 is EgyptAir's 7th plane) for A220-300s. The 100s are 50### so Delta might have some after 55067 too.

I'd guess earliest end of November but maybe December.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:50 am

beechnut wrote:
T4thH wrote:
lostsound wrote:
When is the first AC A220 expected to roll out? End of November?



It is still not on the production list.



Huh?

This is from the production list:

55067 (C) A220-300 Not
yet Not
yet Air Canada AC/
ACA
C-xxxx C-GROV On order, Final Assembly Line in YMX


Sorry, I mixed AC->Air Canada with ACJ -> Airbus Corporate Jet., so how Airbus calls their business jets. Two ACJ are on order by Falcon Aviation Services. The first Air Canada is already in production and will be delivered this year. Also according my knowledge, only one will be delivered this year to Air Canada.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:18 pm

Just for the listings:

Google Chrome Translator: Egypt air
3rd Airbus A220-300 aircraft arrive in Cairo within hours

the third Airbus A220-300 from Egypt, Quebec, Canada, to join the national fleet in a deal of 12 aircraft of the same model arriving in succession until June 2020

According ABCDlist, last A223 for Egypt air will be 55091, If this will be delivered in June 2020, According to this, the first Air Vanatu A223 with number 55089 will be completed around May-2020.


https://www.elmostaqbal.com/253696/2019/10/19/3-%D8%B7%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A5%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B5-a220-300-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A7/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:04 am

EgyptAir's 4th delivered this weekend

Airbus Canada A220 -371 55061 SU-GFA EgyptAir Express delivery 26-27oct19 YMX-OST-CAI
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:49 am

Not sure is this is place to post this info....but A220's restrictions of 94%N1 above FL290
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -a-461843/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:10 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
Not sure is this is place to post this info....but A220's restrictions of 94%N1 above FL290
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -a-461843/


There's a thread for that, of course:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1433093
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:11 pm

First Air Canada A220 (Msn 55067) has just rolled into the paint shop.
https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1189529881450831872
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:13 pm

Finally ! a long wait
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:18 pm

danipawa wrote:
Finally ! a long wait


Then let s hope, they will not paint it by fault in RAL 4010 instead of RAL 9010... :hissyfit:

Also in RAL 60ß5 would be cool.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 pm

T4thH wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Finally ! a long wait


Then let s hope, they will not paint it by fault in RAL 4010 instead of RAL 9010... :hissyfit:

Also in RAL 60ß5 would be cool.


What does this mean?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:14 pm

airnorth wrote:
T4thH wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Finally ! a long wait


Then let s hope, they will not paint it by fault in RAL 4010 instead of RAL 9010... :hissyfit:

Also in RAL 6005 would be cool.


What does this mean?


RAL 4010 magenta
https://www.pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-4010-tele-magenta-glaenzend
RAL 9010 white
https://www.pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-9010-rein-weiss-glaenzend
RAL 6005 English racing green
https://www.pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-6005-moos-gruen-glatt-matt
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:44 pm

T4thH wrote:
airnorth wrote:
T4thH wrote:

Then let s hope, they will not paint it by fault in RAL 4010 instead of RAL 9010... :hissyfit:

Also in RAL 6005 would be cool.


What does this mean?


RAL 4010 magenta
https://www.pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-4010-tele-magenta-glaenzend
RAL 9010 white
https://www.pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-9010-rein-weiss-glaenzend
RAL 6005 English racing green
https://www.pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-6005-moos-gruen-glatt-matt



Now I am really confused, are you talking about painting the first frame for Air Canada in pink white and green? I must have missed a few deleted posts.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:59 pm

P1 A220-100 (CS100) first flew 4 years ago today (Oct 30, 2015). What will happen with it?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:34 am

The former Bombardier factories in Northern Ireland and Morocco are sold to Spirit Aerosystems.

One reason for buying them factories is so that Spirit can diversify their portfolio and become less dependent on Boeing.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50246299
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:00 am

MSN50046 delivered Oct 30.

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50046 N127DU Delta Air Lines delivery 30oct19 YMX-ATL
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:31 pm

Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:11 pm

pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


I was wondering that too this morning seeing one was all white, good to know it's two. No idea, but immediate speculation makes me wonder if they were not satisfied with mirabel paint, or are they behind those 5 being sold (discussed in at least one of the other a220 threads)
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:35 pm

pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:20 pm

bspc wrote:
pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for sharing. I found a link with minimal info if anyone is interested:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/
"Air Sinai, the subsidiary of Egyptair, has filed Airbus A220-300 aircraft schedule, which sees the aircraft operates Cairo – Tel Aviv route. The A220 aircraft is scheduled to operate this route from 01MAR20, replacing Embraer E170 aircraft.

4D054 CAI0855 – 1015TLV 223 D
4D055 TLV1105 – 1230CAI 223 D"

Seems a bit early to get the plane for a March debut but no idea what logistics Air Sinai adds. Also a possibility they use it for both air sinai and egyptair maybe?

Anyhow, even if they park it for a few months that's better imho than deciding they only want 7 and are selling 5.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019a

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:59 pm

Is Delta gonna be getting more planes delivered before years end?


Someone83 wrote:
MSN50046 delivered Oct 30.

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50046 N127DU Delta Air Lines delivery 30oct19 YMX-ATL
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:07 pm

So I see AC's first 220 got painted...except the roundel is backwards! Edit: just realized there's another thread on this...woops
Image
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019a

Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:06 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
Is Delta gonna be getting more planes delivered before years end?


Someone83 wrote:
MSN50046 delivered Oct 30.

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50046 N127DU Delta Air Lines delivery 30oct19 YMX-ATL


They reported in some official filing (cant recall what its called) 24 this year and 12 in 2020. N128 will be the 24th this year.

There is a possibility of more, they reported 24 before ordering 5 more at Paris this year and I imagine if Airbus is running a bit ahead of schedule and Delta is willing to take early delivery nothing is stopping them from delivery a couple 2020 planes in 2019.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:27 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
bspc wrote:
pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for sharing. I found a link with minimal info if anyone is interested:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/
"Air Sinai, the subsidiary of Egyptair, has filed Airbus A220-300 aircraft schedule, which sees the aircraft operates Cairo – Tel Aviv route. The A220 aircraft is scheduled to operate this route from 01MAR20, replacing Embraer E170 aircraft.

4D054 CAI0855 – 1015TLV 223 D
4D055 TLV1105 – 1230CAI 223 D"

Seems a bit early to get the plane for a March debut but no idea what logistics Air Sinai adds. Also a possibility they use it for both air sinai and egyptair maybe?

Anyhow, even if they park it for a few months that's better imho than deciding they only want 7 and are selling 5.


Who says they will be parked? Official it belongs to EgyptAir and they can still use it as such until the time comes.

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