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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:27 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
bspc wrote:
pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for sharing. I found a link with minimal info if anyone is interested:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/
"Air Sinai, the subsidiary of Egyptair, has filed Airbus A220-300 aircraft schedule, which sees the aircraft operates Cairo – Tel Aviv route. The A220 aircraft is scheduled to operate this route from 01MAR20, replacing Embraer E170 aircraft.

4D054 CAI0855 – 1015TLV 223 D
4D055 TLV1105 – 1230CAI 223 D"

Seems a bit early to get the plane for a March debut but no idea what logistics Air Sinai adds. Also a possibility they use it for both air sinai and egyptair maybe?

Anyhow, even if they park it for a few months that's better imho than deciding they only want 7 and are selling 5.


Who says they will be parked? Official it belongs to EgyptAir and they can still use it as such until the time comes.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:45 pm

bspc wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
bspc wrote:

As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for sharing. I found a link with minimal info if anyone is interested:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/
"Air Sinai, the subsidiary of Egyptair, has filed Airbus A220-300 aircraft schedule, which sees the aircraft operates Cairo – Tel Aviv route. The A220 aircraft is scheduled to operate this route from 01MAR20, replacing Embraer E170 aircraft.

4D054 CAI0855 – 1015TLV 223 D
4D055 TLV1105 – 1230CAI 223 D"

Seems a bit early to get the plane for a March debut but no idea what logistics Air Sinai adds. Also a possibility they use it for both air sinai and egyptair maybe?

Anyhow, even if they park it for a few months that's better imho than deciding they only want 7 and are selling 5.


Who says they will be parked? Official it belongs to EgyptAir and they can still use it as such until the time comes.


No one has. I just would have thought they'd use deliveries a few slots lower on the list is all.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:19 pm

bspc wrote:
pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for the reply. That would explain it. Maybe they plan to reveal the livery next year.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019a

Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:55 am

Thanks for your response

rrbsztk wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
Is Delta gonna be getting more planes delivered before years end?


Someone83 wrote:
MSN50046 delivered Oct 30.



They reported in some official filing (cant recall what its called) 24 this year and 12 in 2020. N128 will be the 24th this year.

There is a possibility of more, they reported 24 before ordering 5 more at Paris this year and I imagine if Airbus is running a bit ahead of schedule and Delta is willing to take early delivery nothing is stopping them from delivery a couple 2020 planes in 2019.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:44 pm

Is N128DU on FAL?
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:11 pm

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Is N128DU on FAL?


No, not any more. It has already performed the first two test flights and was already for 41 min in the air.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/50047
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:38 pm

T4thH wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Is N128DU on FAL?


No, not any more. It has already performed the first two test flights and was already for 41 min in the air.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/50047


Oh ok
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:49 pm

I’m confused. Why does this aircraft’s registration N113DQs test registration?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-fovx
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:26 pm

pik1 wrote:
bspc wrote:
pik1 wrote:
Does anyone know why EgyptAir has received their last two airframes in an all white livery? Have they got their own preferred paint shop?


As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for the reply. That would explain it. Maybe they plan to reveal the livery next year.

There probably won’t ever be a livery. The whole operation is kept pretty low key and quiet so it is not targeted by anyone and so EgyptAir can avoid criticism from hardliners. In the past they just use all white planes or EgyptAir planes with the titles and logos removed.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:19 am

Polot wrote:
pik1 wrote:
bspc wrote:

As far as I know they plan to use it on routes to Tel Aviv with an Airline called 'Air Sinai' next year. It's basically an airline used just for flights just between Egypt and Israel, due to some history between them.


Thanks for the reply. That would explain it. Maybe they plan to reveal the livery next year.

There probably won’t ever be a livery. The whole operation is kept pretty low key and quiet so it is not targeted by anyone and so EgyptAir can avoid criticism from hardliners. In the past they just use all white planes or EgyptAir planes with the titles and logos removed.


Yes, the whole Sinai story is always a little bit...sorry, ...much more than only a little bit... difficult. Thanks for explaining it.
By ABCD list:
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
Link to the white bird picture. Yes, this is white. rarely ever seen such a white "white bird".
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nik_deblauwe/48966357543/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:45 pm

Here is a cool view of all the white A220's from EgyptAir from the amazing AIB Family Flight site

https://aibfamily.flights/search?flight ... amily=A220
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:35 am

I noted AirFrance is expecting 2021 A220 deliveries. Please ignore the title of the article as it is clickbait for the first two paragraphs:

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/air ... rone-a380/

Rigail: Our medium-haul fleet will consist of one half of the Airbus A220 of which we will get 60 delivered between 2021 and 2025.

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:07 pm

When does DL recieve the first batch of A220-300?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:51 pm

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When does DL receive the first batch of A220-300?

Definitely next year, but I don't know which Q. Production can be followed here:

https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... 0/A220-300
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:54 pm

Q3 if all goes to plan.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:36 pm

Is there any plan to bring A220 aircraft back above FL300? I had a couple of flights on Swiss and they all cruised at FL260-290. According to FR24 those of Air Baltic are flying low as well.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:50 pm

Next for Delta delivered yesterday according to Skyliner

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50047 N128DU Delta Air Lines delivery 21nov19 YMX-ATL
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:52 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Next for Delta delivered yesterday according to Skyliner

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50047 N128DU Delta Air Lines delivery 21nov19 YMX-ATL

Last one for DL in 2019.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:08 pm

What's the production rate at now? And how much will Mobile add when it comes on stream?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:17 pm

Q# - # delivered that quarter (monthly rate) - # delivered in the last year (monthly rate)
2016
Q1 - 0
Q2 - 1 (0.33)
Q3 - 1 (0.33)
Q4 - 5 (1.67)
2017
Q1 - 2 (0.67) --- 9 (0.75)
Q2 - 5 (1.67) --- 13 (1.08)
Q3 - 4 (1.33) --- 16 (1.33)
Q4 - 6 (2.00) --- 17 (1.42)
2018
Q1 - 5 (1.67) --- 20 (1.67)
Q2 - 7 (2.33) --- 22 (1.83)
Q3 - 9 (3.00) --- 27 (2.25)
Q4 - 12 (4.00) -- 33 (2.75)
2019
Q1 - 8 (2.67) --- 36 (3.00)
Q2 - 12 (4.00) -- 41 (3.42)
Q3 - 13 (4.33) --45 (3.75)
Q4 so far 4 in october and 3 this month, aib indicates 4th this month is delivered sometime today to STLC
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:27 pm

TObound wrote:
What's the production rate at now? And how much will Mobile add when it comes on stream?

Looks like about 4 a month at this point. Here's hoping 2020Q1 is not a drop like previous first quarters.

Mobile will add roughly (based on best delivery numbers i could compile)
2020 - 1 per month (starting mid year 7 deliveries in 2020)
2021 - 2 per month
2022 - 3 per month
2023 - 4 per month

Re Mirabel, fligerfaust (take with a grain of salt but seems reasonable to me in this case) indicated recently that the Mirabel preFAL will be in the old CRJ building coming online sometime 2021. Seems like Mirabel will slowly grow until then and then step up late 2021 or early 2022, which would reasonably get them to their goal of 10/month by 2024/25
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:29 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
Q# - # delivered that quarter (monthly rate) - # delivered in the last year (monthly rate)
2016
Q1 - 0
Q2 - 1 (0.33)
Q3 - 1 (0.33)
Q4 - 5 (1.67)
2017
Q1 - 2 (0.67) --- 9 (0.75)
Q2 - 5 (1.67) --- 13 (1.08)
Q3 - 4 (1.33) --- 16 (1.33)
Q4 - 6 (2.00) --- 17 (1.42)
2018
Q1 - 5 (1.67) --- 20 (1.67)
Q2 - 7 (2.33) --- 22 (1.83)
Q3 - 9 (3.00) --- 27 (2.25)
Q4 - 12 (4.00) -- 33 (2.75)
2019
Q1 - 8 (2.67) --- 36 (3.00)
Q2 - 12 (4.00) -- 41 (3.42)
Q3 - 13 (4.33) --45 (3.75)
Q4 so far 4 in october and 3 this month, aib indicates 4th this month is delivered sometime today to STLC


Thanks for that. When viewed quarterly, its easy to see the progress. Hopefully, data like this will quell some of the naysayers. Mobile will only help.

The A220/CSeries program is still gathering steam. Aurbis Canada reports 234 orders and commitments in 2019. It is the only viable 5 abreast airplane in the world.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:27 pm

Thanks rrbsztk.

So I would assume this output would be reasonable:
2020 - 55 frames
2021 - 70 frames
2022 - 100 frames
2023 - 125 frames
2024 - 150 frames

So 500 frames delivered in addition to the 100 frames that will be delivered by the end of 2019. Discounting some of the some zombie orders and soft ones (like say Moxy), they'll have exhausted their backlog by mid-2023. Just 3.5 years from now. They need to look down some more large orders. I can certainly see why Airbus isn't all that motivated to get to rate 15 for the program.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:59 pm

TObound wrote:
Thanks rrbsztk.

So I would assume this output would be reasonable:
2020 - 55 frames
2021 - 70 frames
2022 - 100 frames
2023 - 125 frames
2024 - 150 frames

So 500 frames delivered in addition to the 100 frames that will be delivered by the end of 2019. Discounting some of the some zombie orders and soft ones (like say Moxy), they'll have exhausted their backlog by mid-2023. Just 3.5 years from now. They need to look down some more large orders. I can certainly see why Airbus isn't all that motivated to get to rate 15 for the program.


Numbers seem reasonable to me. It is possible I suppose if they need to do some reconfiguring of the FAL once the preFAL comes online that 2021 &or 2022 might be a bit lower than 70/100, but just for a few months slower deliveries.

Re backlog, look at my post 627 middle page 13. Looking at options and lessors I'm a bit more optimistic about them being able to get enough sales to fill back log. Although i would say they just need some more medium orders to fill it and that isn't necessarily that different from you saying some more large orders. I suppose i would say medium is 20 to 40 to me.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:56 pm

Today meeting/announcement of Airbus Canada. You can find some images on twitter.
Regarding last developments in Montreal, the "old"/"up to date" plans have been thrown into the bins. Just remind, Mitsubishi has recently taken over the whole CRJ program and declared the end in 2021.
Airbus will not any more build the Pre-FAL building as planned/announced recently, instead, Airbus will take over the whole FAL part for the CRJ production of the building in 2021. The former CRJ FAL part will be modified to the Pre-FAL part.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200086514673303552

Capacity for Mobile will be 4/month.
Max capacity for Montreal will be than 10. The Pre-FAL building in Montreal will be working and support the FALs in Montreal and Mobile.

Additional information of the meeting regarding the A220:
1. The maximum landing weight has been increased by 1.8 t.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200081480548069376

2. A and C check intervals have been increase.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200082465739685889

3. The Chinese certification of the A220 is underway and expected till end of this year 2019.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200098833235095553

4. Some additional information from Mobile. 200+ employees since Jan-2019, 4 A220 in construction in Mobile, first A220-300 delivered from Mobile in Q3 2020.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200087205374550018

5. A220 world supply chain.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200083399706324993

6. Not part of the meeting, but published at same time: AirBaltic/CEO is interested in the A220-500,
they will buy it but not pushing for it.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200115466066448391



And if it has been missed: MSN55065 has been delivered today to State Transport Leasing Company (GTLK).
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55065

I expect, that 3 more A220-300 will be delivered in 2019 (and no more A220-100):
55064 (Air Baltic, fourth flight)
55066 (GLTK, 1st flight)
55067 (Air Canada, taxi runs and engine tests)

These will be 44 for this year.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:35 am

TObound wrote:
Thanks rrbsztk.

So I would assume this output would be reasonable:
2020 - 55 frames
2021 - 70 frames
2022 - 100 frames
2023 - 125 frames
2024 - 150 frames

So 500 frames delivered in addition to the 100 frames that will be delivered by the end of 2019. Discounting some of the some zombie orders and soft ones (like say Moxy), they'll have exhausted their backlog by mid-2023. Just 3.5 years from now. They need to look down some more large orders. I can certainly see why Airbus isn't all that motivated to get to rate 15 for the program.


Well yeah, that's been discussed in this thread and others. They need to get the rate up but not so much that it exhausts the backlog too fast. On the other hand, you can't book orders unless you have delivery slots available. Catch 22.

Simultaneously, they need to get the production ramp up completed and flowing smoothly prior to committing to the -500. And suppliers are also still ramping up, not the least of which is the engine supplier (which is also still making reliability improvements since they once again delivered an engine that was not ready for service).

I think your numbers are a little too conservative....i see a slightly more aggressive ramp up. Maybe 90 in 2021 for example
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:08 am

Apparently 55064 is to become the 100th A220/CSeries Delivery.

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55064
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:34 pm

SteelChair wrote:
TObound wrote:
Thanks rrbsztk.

So I would assume this output would be reasonable:
2020 - 55 frames
2021 - 70 frames
2022 - 100 frames
2023 - 125 frames
2024 - 150 frames

So 500 frames delivered in addition to the 100 frames that will be delivered by the end of 2019. Discounting some of the some zombie orders and soft ones (like say Moxy), they'll have exhausted their backlog by mid-2023. Just 3.5 years from now. They need to look down some more large orders. I can certainly see why Airbus isn't all that motivated to get to rate 15 for the program.


Well yeah, that's been discussed in this thread and others. They need to get the rate up but not so much that it exhausts the backlog too fast. On the other hand, you can't book orders unless you have delivery slots available. Catch 22.

Simultaneously, they need to get the production ramp up completed and flowing smoothly prior to committing to the -500. And suppliers are also still ramping up, not the least of which is the engine supplier (which is also still making reliability improvements since they once again delivered an engine that was not ready for service).
I think your numbers are a little too conservative....i see a slightly more aggressive ramp up. Maybe 90 in 2021 for example

His estimation is not bad. The Montreal FAL is slowly reaching the up to date maximum, Airbus has already solved most of the urgent bottlenecks, which were fast and easy to solve. (As example the Post-FAL issue; space for the delivery. The next big step of production increase in Montreal we will see, when the CRJ program is closed and Airbus has taken over the prior FAL areas from the CRJ program. The Pre-FAL will be implemented in this building and this will be the Pre-FAL assembly preparation building for both, the Mobile and the Montreal FAL. This will start mid of 2021. Now, the Montreal FAL is already preparing all material for the Mobile FAL; so every A220, which will be build in Mobile, will be (in part) build less in Montreal....Everything for Mobile is prepared and collected in Montreal and send to Mobile now.
Up to date, 4 A220 are in construction in Mobile.

So, the further increase in Montreal will be low till end of 2021. The deliveries in Mobile will produce the further higher production numbers, they will start with a delivery in Q3 2020 and will start with around 1 jet / month.
Maximum capacity/month will be reached in Mobile and Montreal in 2024/2025, this will be 14/month (4x Mobile and 10 in Montreal).

Further increases will mean to build an additional FAL (and/or upgrade the Mobile FAL to higher than 4/month).

So an estimation of 160 jets in 2025 is legible.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:48 am

I think Airbus isn't fully comitted to grow the A220 ASAP.
Bombardiers original FAL plan should have been capable of producing ~120 CSeries annually, or rate 10/month. Only FAL1 (plane assembly) has been realized, the FAL2 cabin outfiitting wasn't realized.
Airbus produces with a different strategy. Most of the work that would have been done in CS-FAL2, will now be done in the Pre-FAL. I think the max capacity of Mirabel CS-FAL1 hasn't changed, so it should be capable of rate 10/month (2× 5/month).
If you look at building footprint, the Mobile A220 FAL is larger than the Mirabel FAL1, and also A320 Mobile FAL. This leads me to think that the Mobile A220 FAL should have a much higher capacity than 4/month. In comparison, the two Toulouse A320FALs have roughly the same footprint as the Airbus Mobile plant. So for A220 FAL capacity, with one additional set of tooling rate 20/month (240/year) should be possible in the currently planned building footprint.
The big question for Airbus is; does the current A220 design generate this large demand without reducing A320 demand? I think Airbus Canada needs to figure out how large the longterm demand for A220s is, and than design the pre-FAL accordingly.
I'm surprised the A220 hasn't yet been offered in the LCC / ULCC 6 abreast configuration. We have only seen the Comfortabel Series not the Compact series. I think this will change next year.
The introduction of breaktrough technologies also has to be considered when evaluating long term demand.
The A220 is smaller than the 737 and the A320 is larger. Both the C919 and MC-21 are the same size or larger than the A320. (Cross-section) what will Boeings NSA look like.
A second advantage the A220 has above the 737 are the outward opening cargo doors.
AFAIK, Airbus has chosen not to push the 737 out of the market. Mainly because they couldn't with the PW1500 problems. But I also think Airbus prefers delaying the introduction of NSA's (737 and A320 replacement). I guess the A220 will have to change as well when this happens, with the largest impact in the fuselage pre-FAL. Ironic right.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:56 pm

Is there really that much demand for a ULCC 6ab A220? I don't see it. 15.5" seats. Would that work anywhere beyond Asia? I don't see anyone clamouring for it. And LCCs don't generally take on new types anyway.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:47 pm

T4thH wrote:
Today meeting/announcement of Airbus Canada. You can find some images on twitter.
Regarding last developments in Montreal, the "old"/"up to date" plans have been thrown into the bins. Just remind, Mitsubishi has recently taken over the whole CRJ program and declared the end in 2021.
Airbus will not any more build the Pre-FAL building as planned/announced recently, instead, Airbus will take over the whole FAL part for the CRJ production of the building in 2021. The former CRJ FAL part will be modified to the Pre-FAL part.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200086514673303552

Capacity for Mobile will be 4/month.
Max capacity for Montreal will be than 10. The Pre-FAL building in Montreal will be working and support the FALs in Montreal and Mobile.

Additional information of the meeting regarding the A220:
1. The maximum landing weight has been increased by 1.8 t.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200081480548069376

2. A and C check intervals have been increase.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200082465739685889

3. The Chinese certification of the A220 is underway and expected till end of this year 2019.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200098833235095553

4. Some additional information from Mobile. 200+ employees since Jan-2019, 4 A220 in construction in Mobile, first A220-300 delivered from Mobile in Q3 2020.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200087205374550018

5. A220 world supply chain.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200083399706324993

6. Not part of the meeting, but published at same time: AirBaltic/CEO is interested in the A220-500,
they will buy it but not pushing for it.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200115466066448391



And if it has been missed: MSN55065 has been delivered today to State Transport Leasing Company (GTLK).
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55065

I expect, that 3 more A220-300 will be delivered in 2019 (and no more A220-100):
55064 (Air Baltic, fourth flight)
55066 (GLTK, 1st flight)
55067 (Air Canada, taxi runs and engine tests)

These will be 44 for this year.


Is Russian certification still expected for 2019? Earlier this year, messages seemed to indicate mid 2019 but that has passed. Is GTLK expecting to place their frames in country?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:39 pm

TObound wrote:
Is there really that much demand for a ULCC 6ab A220? I don't see it. 15.5" seats. Would that work anywhere beyond Asia? I don't see anyone clamouring for it. And LCCs don't generally take on new types anyway.


I think exit limit might prevent this. Wikipedia says 135 for A220-100 and 160 for -300 which would be 23 and 27 rows of 6. Delta's 109 seat version is 3 rows first class and 20 rows economy, so same number of rows. If you go for max 135 seats with 5 abreast it's 27 rows. So an ulcc with 6 abreast would offer more seat pitch than delta on average. Seems like if you want to get more seats shrinking pitch to add 4 rows ( first and economy plus extra space from delta would be adding a bit more than 3 rows) would be better than narrow 6 across with generous leg room.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:31 pm

Delivery Schedule of Reported/Announced A220 Deliveries
BOLD is reported in news/press release/filings
underline is reported by A.net user
italics is when i evened deliveries out based on known data as best able
*#* is grains of salt, at best its a guess on year by year breakdown

Mobile (presuming all A223 for Delta, JetBlue, and Moxy)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Delta A223s..........6.......12......17.......15
JetBlue................1........6........8........19.......22.......14..
Moxy............ .......0........6......*12*....*12*.....*15*....*15*
MOBILE TOTAL....7......24.......37.......46.......37.......29
Mirabel (all others)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Air Austral.............2.........1
Air Baltic.....8.......12.......12........4
Air Canada .1.......14.......15......15
Air France.....................*8*......*13*....*13*.....*13*.....*13*
Air Senegal.....................2.........2.........2..........2
Air Tanzania..........1.........1
Air Vanuatu ..........2.........2
Czech Airlines........5.......5
Delta A221s..24....12.......*5*
EgyptAir.......7........5
Korean Air...1
STLC...........4........2
Swiss.......... 1......1
UndsclsdB......................*5*.......*5*
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
MIRABEL...46......53........51......37.......13......13.......13
COMBINED.46.....60.......75......74........59......50......42
For 2019 Airbus has reported a goal of 45.

Possible Orders to be added
Not included are shaky orders like Iraqi or lessor options.
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Lessors...............144 ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> --->---> --->
Possible Options/Purchase Rights/etc. to be added
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
EqyptAir...............12...---> ---> .---> --->
Swiss...................30 .---> ---> ---> --->
Korean..................20 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Vanuatu......................4 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Baltic....................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Canada.................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Delta.....................................................50 .---> ---> .--->
JetBlue......................................................................50 .--->
Air France..................................................................60 .--->
Lessors, theoretically could be as early as next year. Options are based on year of last scheduled delivery.
These dates are approximate, included to help visualize where A220 slots could be assigned.

Current sales campaigns discussed in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1428303

Data in previous posts, primarily #s 59, 130, 263, 491, and 627 in this thread (50 posts/page).

Updates in this post:
Added Air Senegal - 8 total 2 each 2021-24.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0s-462386/
11.19.19
"The memorandum of understanding covers eight aircraft for delivery from 2021.
Air Senegal says the aircraft will be delivered at a rate of two aircraft annually."

Switched Undisclosed A to Czech Airlines - 2 each in 2020 and 2021
https://www.csa.cz/cz-en/press/2019-10-23/
10.23.19
"The first two Airbus A220 aircraft will join CSA’s fleet in late 2020, the other two in Q1 2021 and Q2 2021, respectively."
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:10 pm

Great list. I think there are some Mirabel addition errors though;
2020 should be 56 (+3)
2021 s/b 56 (+5)
2022 s/b 39 (+2)
2023 s/b 15 (+2)
2024 s/b 15 (+2)
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:27 pm

Skywatcher wrote:
Great list. I think there are some Mirabel addition errors though;
2020 should be 56 (+3)
2021 s/b 56 (+5)
2022 s/b 39 (+2)
2023 s/b 15 (+2)
2024 s/b 15 (+2)


Thank you. I forgot to change totals when i copied and pasted.
Also Czech should be 2 each not 5.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:33 pm

Thank you Skywatcher for catching that I forgot to change the totals when I added Air Senegal, which in turn led to me realizing I goofed and confused undisclosed A and B and had Czech at 5 and 5 instead of 2 and 2.

Delivery Schedule of Reported/Announced A220 Deliveries
BOLD is reported in news/press release/filings
underline is reported by A.net user
italics is when i evened deliveries out based on known data as best able
*#* is grains of salt, at best its a guess on year by year breakdown

Mobile (presuming all A223 for Delta, JetBlue, and Moxy)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Delta A223s..........6.......12......17.......15
JetBlue................1........6........8........19.......22.......14..
Moxy............ .......0........6......*12*....*12*.....*15*....*15*
MOBILE TOTAL....7......24.......37.......46.......37.......29
Mirabel (all others)
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Air Austral.............2.........1
Air Baltic.....8.......12.......12........4
Air Canada .1.......14.......15......15
Air France.....................*8*......*13*....*13*.....*13*.....*13*
Air Senegal.....................2.........2.........2..........2
Air Tanzania..........1.........1
Air Vanuatu ..........2.........2
Czech Airlines........2.......2
Delta A221s..24....12.......*5*
EgyptAir.......7........5
Korean Air...1
STLC...........4........2
Swiss.......... 1......1
UndsclsdB......................*5*.......*5*
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
MIRABEL...46......53........53......39.......15......15.......13
COMBINED.46.....60.......77......76........61......52......42
For 2019 Airbus has reported a goal of 45.

Possible Orders to be added
Not included are shaky orders like Iraqi or lessor options.
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
Lessors...............144 ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> ---> --->---> --->
Possible Options/Purchase Rights/etc. to be added
YEAR......2019...2020...2021...2022...2023...2024...2025
EqyptAir...............12...---> ---> .---> --->
Swiss...................30 .---> ---> ---> --->
Korean..................20 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Vanuatu......................4 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Baltic....................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Air Canada.................................30 .---> ---> .---> --->
Delta.....................................................50 .---> ---> .--->
JetBlue......................................................................50 .--->
Air France..................................................................60 .--->
Lessors, theoretically could be as early as next year. Options are based on year of last scheduled delivery.
These dates are approximate, included to help visualize where A220 slots could be assigned.

Current sales campaigns discussed in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1428303

Data in previous posts, primarily #s 59, 130, 263, 491, and 627 in this thread (50 posts/page).

Updates in this post:
Added Air Senegal - 8 total 2 each 2021-24.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0s-462386/
11.19.19
"The memorandum of understanding covers eight aircraft for delivery from 2021.
Air Senegal says the aircraft will be delivered at a rate of two aircraft annually."

Switched Undisclosed A to Czech Airlines - 2 each in 2020 and 2021
https://www.csa.cz/cz-en/press/2019-10-23/
10.23.19
"The first two Airbus A220 aircraft will join CSA’s fleet in late 2020, the other two in Q1 2021 and Q2 2021, respectively."
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 am

TObound wrote:
Thanks rrbsztk.

So I would assume this output would be reasonable:
2020 - 55 frames
2021 - 70 frames
2022 - 100 frames
2023 - 125 frames
2024 - 150 frames

So 500 frames delivered in addition to the 100 frames that will be delivered by the end of 2019. Discounting some of the some zombie orders and soft ones (like say Moxy), they'll have exhausted their backlog by mid-2023. Just 3.5 years from now. They need to look down some more large orders. I can certainly see why Airbus isn't all that motivated to get to rate 15 for the program.

I respectfully disagree, I think the snail pace in orders is the very reason large orders are not being booked, and Airbus does indeed want at least 15 a month, yet this is such a long lead industry and its also not its production line in the beginning so it takes time.
As for Moxy, tough to see that as a soft order, just ask Boeing how they feel about not taking Neelman seriously years back. I find Airbus progress with the program challenging and bit behind schedule, also awfully quite hence my concern. Hope I’m wrong and we can see far more deliveries to new operators. This plane is amazingly capable and somewhat grossly underrated IMO.
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm

Don't forget that Airbus needs to change how the FAL Process is run. That takes years to change. It doesn't even make sense to ramp up production until they can get a handle of that. Building your own FAL like in Mobile will definitely help because Airbus would be in control of every step.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:26 pm

Saw that the 100th CS/A220 was delivered to Air Baltic. Sure do like the new livery. Thoughts? Link to Video https://youtu.be/z4ZYz2XDeJg
I for one thing it looks awesome.
707, 717, 727, 732, 734, 737 ,738, 7M8, 742, 744, 767, 773, 789.
DC8, 9,10, MD80 ,L1011 ,HSTrident, BAC111, DHComet.
DH8-100, 400, CRJ100,200,700, EM75,90, A310,319,320,321,333
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:59 pm

They also announced that the project would be loss making for the next 5 years and Bombardier would pay for the loss for the next 2 years

T4thH wrote:
Today meeting/announcement of Airbus Canada. You can find some images on twitter.
Regarding last developments in Montreal, the "old"/"up to date" plans have been thrown into the bins. Just remind, Mitsubishi has recently taken over the whole CRJ program and declared the end in 2021.
Airbus will not any more build the Pre-FAL building as planned/announced recently, instead, Airbus will take over the whole FAL part for the CRJ production of the building in 2021. The former CRJ FAL part will be modified to the Pre-FAL part.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200086514673303552

Capacity for Mobile will be 4/month.
Max capacity for Montreal will be than 10. The Pre-FAL building in Montreal will be working and support the FALs in Montreal and Mobile.

Additional information of the meeting regarding the A220:
1. The maximum landing weight has been increased by 1.8 t.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200081480548069376

2. A and C check intervals have been increase.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200082465739685889

3. The Chinese certification of the A220 is underway and expected till end of this year 2019.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200098833235095553

4. Some additional information from Mobile. 200+ employees since Jan-2019, 4 A220 in construction in Mobile, first A220-300 delivered from Mobile in Q3 2020.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200087205374550018

5. A220 world supply chain.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200083399706324993

6. Not part of the meeting, but published at same time: AirBaltic/CEO is interested in the A220-500,
they will buy it but not pushing for it.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200115466066448391



And if it has been missed: MSN55065 has been delivered today to State Transport Leasing Company (GTLK).
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55065

I expect, that 3 more A220-300 will be delivered in 2019 (and no more A220-100):
55064 (Air Baltic, fourth flight)
55066 (GLTK, 1st flight)
55067 (Air Canada, taxi runs and engine tests)

These will be 44 for this year.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:24 pm

fcogafa wrote:
They also announced that the project would be loss making for the next 5 years and Bombardier would pay for the loss for the next 2 years

T4thH wrote:
Today meeting/announcement of Airbus Canada. You can find some images on twitter.
Regarding last developments in Montreal, the "old"/"up to date" plans have been thrown into the bins. Just remind, Mitsubishi has recently taken over the whole CRJ program and declared the end in 2021.
Airbus will not any more build the Pre-FAL building as planned/announced recently, instead, Airbus will take over the whole FAL part for the CRJ production of the building in 2021. The former CRJ FAL part will be modified to the Pre-FAL part.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200086514673303552

Capacity for Mobile will be 4/month.
Max capacity for Montreal will be than 10. The Pre-FAL building in Montreal will be working and support the FALs in Montreal and Mobile.

Additional information of the meeting regarding the A220:
1. The maximum landing weight has been increased by 1.8 t.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200081480548069376

2. A and C check intervals have been increase.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200082465739685889

3. The Chinese certification of the A220 is underway and expected till end of this year 2019.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200098833235095553

4. Some additional information from Mobile. 200+ employees since Jan-2019, 4 A220 in construction in Mobile, first A220-300 delivered from Mobile in Q3 2020.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200087205374550018

5. A220 world supply chain.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200083399706324993

6. Not part of the meeting, but published at same time: AirBaltic/CEO is interested in the A220-500,
they will buy it but not pushing for it.
https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/status/1200115466066448391



And if it has been missed: MSN55065 has been delivered today to State Transport Leasing Company (GTLK).
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55065

I expect, that 3 more A220-300 will be delivered in 2019 (and no more A220-100):
55064 (Air Baltic, fourth flight)
55066 (GLTK, 1st flight)
55067 (Air Canada, taxi runs and engine tests)

These will be 44 for this year.


Does anyone have the whole presentation? Sounds like it was very informative.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:00 pm

SteelChair wrote:

Does anyone have the whole presentation? Sounds like it was very informative.

No, only the screenshots in Twitter seems to be available.

No 100 bird A220 to Baltic Air delivery flight has been performed today. Till now, it was only delivered by contract.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55064
In 2019, till now 52 A220 have been delivered: 25x A220-100 and 17x A220-300.

3 further A220 jets will be likely delivered this year:
A220-100
None.
A220-300
55066 GLTC; already 3 flights,
55067 Air Canada (no. 1); engine runs and taxi checks have been performed. According rumors (Fliegerfaust), first flight was moved forward to 04-Dec, but till now first flight is still not done.
55068: Egypt air: is now just in the air for the second flight (and will land according schedule in two minutes).

So delivery of 55 A220 this year is possible, 25x A220-100 and 20x A220-300
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:31 pm

T4thH wrote:
In 2019, till now 52 A220 have been delivered: 25x A220-100 and 17x A220-300.

So delivery of 55 A220 this year is possible, 25x A220-100 and 20x A220-300


Calculator needed? :D
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:01 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
In 2019, till now 52 A220 have been delivered: 25x A220-100 and 17x A220-300.

So delivery of 55 A220 this year is possible, 25x A220-100 and 20x A220-300


Calculator needed? :D


I have had immediately edited it...and while editing I got a phone call from my family and was busy for some time; seems I have not saved...
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:45 pm

T4thH wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
In 2019, till now 52 A220 have been delivered: 25x A220-100 and 17x A220-300.

So delivery of 55 A220 this year is possible, 25x A220-100 and 20x A220-300


Calculator needed? :D


I have had immediately edited it...and while editing I got a phone call from my family and was busy for some time; seems I have not saved...


An honest mistake.

As for 55067 Air Canada, it's been 10 days now since engine run and taxi test. Usually these are spaced a couple of days before first flight.

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55067
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:48 pm

T4thH wrote:

No 100 bird A220 to Baltic Air delivery flight has been performed today. Till now, it was only delivered by contract.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55064

I hate to burst your bubble but this was the 99th delivery.
I'm not going on a Boeing
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:33 pm

UA947 wrote:
T4thH wrote:

No 100 bird A220 to Baltic Air delivery flight has been performed today. Till now, it was only delivered by contract.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55064

I hate to burst your bubble but this was the 99th delivery.


For Airbus, the 55064/YL-AUU is the no. 100 delivered. It is the no. 99 delivered to customer, I am well aware, there is a discrepancy.
https://apex.aero/2019/10/2/behind-the-scenes-airbaltic-airbus-a220
Since some days, I am thinking about the discrepancy....and how and why Airbus is "counting on such an interesting way".

Do they count the 50003 "delivered/transferred/donated" to ENA as "delivered"?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:40 pm

T4thH wrote:
UA947 wrote:
T4thH wrote:

No 100 bird A220 to Baltic Air delivery flight has been performed today. Till now, it was only delivered by contract.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55064

I hate to burst your bubble but this was the 99th delivery.


For Airbus, the 55064/YL-AUU is the no. 100 delivered. It is the no. 99 delivered to customer, I am well aware, there is a discrepancy.
https://apex.aero/2019/10/2/behind-the-scenes-airbaltic-airbus-a220
Since some days, I am thinking about the discrepancy....and how and why Airbus is "counting on such an interesting way".

Do they count the 50003 "delivered/transferred" to ENA as delivered?

The apex-article you link to says: "Airbus recently celebrated the 100th A220 produced for a customer . . . ". (and that comes after the click-bait-title)
PRODUCED, not DELIVERED!!
Earlier you linked to the aibfamilyflights website. There is a picture in that link and above "source: Airbus" it says "Airbus celebrates the 100th A220 aircraft produced".
PRODUCED, not DELIVERED!!
I'm not going on a Boeing
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:00 pm

UA947 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
UA947 wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble but this was the 99th delivery.


For Airbus, the 55064/YL-AUU is the no. 100 delivered. It is the no. 99 delivered to customer, I am well aware, there is a discrepancy.
https://apex.aero/2019/10/2/behind-the-scenes-airbaltic-airbus-a220
Since some days, I am thinking about the discrepancy....and how and why Airbus is "counting on such an interesting way".

Do they count the 50003 "delivered/transferred" to ENA as delivered?

The article you link to says: "Airbus recently celebrated the 100th A220 produced for a customer . . . ".
PRODUCED, not DELIVERED!!
Earlier you linked to the aibfamilyflights website. There is a picture in that link and above "source: Airbus" it says "Airbus celebrates the 100th A220 aircraft produced".
PRODUCED, not DELIVERED!!

OK, there is a discrepancy in the news, Airbus says "produced" (what will be correct) the news says all "delivered" what is incorrect (and I have to say, I have not checked the "official Airbus link")... But even "produced" does not work. In this case, Airbus has to count the 50019 (was scheduled for Swiss) and 55017 (scheduled for Korean Air) as produced. And these both have never been completed. Both empty hulls will be most likely scrapped. And the 55ß17 order was "taken back" by Bombardier early from the Korean order list as (according rumors) it was scheduled to be converted to a business jet (what was never done). Are these produced?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:54 pm

Just take all these announced delivery/produced numbers reported in the news as a grain of salt. The majority of them are just for promotional purposes. It’s never going to be spot on.

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