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A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:49 am

Please continue from last year's discussion.

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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:50 am

Update 4th Jan 2019:
A330‑243(F) 1350 A7-AFV Qatar Airways ferried 03 Jan 2019 DOH-FCO for paint on return to lessor ex F-WXAD
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:46 pm

An early production bird heading for scrap:

Airbus A330-301 30 OO-SFM Brussels Airlines ferried 03 January 2019 BRU-BGR-CEW, for part-out & scrap, ex F-GMDA
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:51 pm

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An early production bird heading for scrap:

Airbus A330-301 30 OO-SFM Brussels Airlines ferried 03 January 2019 BRU-BGR-CEW, for part-out & scrap, ex F-GMDA


I'm suspecting you got this info from Skyliner? Please cite your sources when you copy/paste info.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:16 am

Korean has about 29 or so of A332 and A333 of various ages from 3 to about 22 years.
Do we know if they replacing older A33x with new A33x or with something else (and when)
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:15 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Update 4th Jan 2019:
A330‑243(F) 1350 A7-AFV Qatar Airways ferried 03 Jan 2019 DOH-FCO for paint on return to lessor ex F-WXAD
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
By the looks of things Sichuan Airlines will be the new home for this aircraft. Airbus A330‑243(F) 1350 B- Sichuan Airlines at FCO 12jan19 during paint prior delivery ex A7-AFV.
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:09 am

Updates 19th Feb 2019:

Mostly sad news:

A330-243 MSN 348 HC-COH TAME Ecuador Ferried 17 Feb19 GYE-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex A6-EAA
A340-313 MSN 332 EC- Plus Ultra Lineas Aéreas Ferried 14 Feb19 CRK-MNL, RP-reg prior delivery ex RP-C3437
A340-642 MSN 482 D-AIHA Lufthansa Reg cancelled 08 Feb19 prior scrap at LETL ex F-WWCS
A340-313 MSN 668 F-OLOV Air Tahiti Nui Ferried 17 Feb19 LAX-LETL on return to lessor ex F-WWJD
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:01 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Updates 19th Feb 2019:

Mostly sad news:

A330-243 MSN 348 HC-COH TAME Ecuador Ferried 17 Feb19 GYE-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex A6-EAA
A340-313 MSN 332 EC- Plus Ultra Lineas Aéreas Ferried 14 Feb19 CRK-MNL, RP-reg prior delivery ex RP-C3437
A340-642 MSN 482 D-AIHA Lufthansa Reg cancelled 08 Feb19 prior scrap at LETL ex F-WWCS
A340-313 MSN 668 F-OLOV Air Tahiti Nui Ferried 17 Feb19 LAX-LETL on return to lessor ex F-WWJD
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2


I saw the TAME A330 fly past my house yesterday. I heard the turbofans of a low flying aircraft yesterday morning and on looking outside noticed it. It turned to line up with the runway at St Athan and I concluded that it was about to land for the very last time. St Athan has been an extremely active scrapping centre of late. It is sad to see that though.

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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:22 am

trintocan wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Updates 19th Feb 2019:

Mostly sad news:

A330-243 MSN 348 HC-COH TAME Ecuador Ferried 17 Feb19 GYE-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex A6-EAA
A340-313 MSN 332 EC- Plus Ultra Lineas Aéreas Ferried 14 Feb19 CRK-MNL, RP-reg prior delivery ex RP-C3437
A340-642 MSN 482 D-AIHA Lufthansa Reg cancelled 08 Feb19 prior scrap at LETL ex F-WWCS
A340-313 MSN 668 F-OLOV Air Tahiti Nui Ferried 17 Feb19 LAX-LETL on return to lessor ex F-WWJD
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2


I saw the TAME A330 fly past my house yesterday. I heard the turbofans of a low flying aircraft yesterday morning and on looking outside noticed it. It turned to line up with the runway at St Athan and I concluded that it was about to land for the very last time. St Athan has been an extremely active scrapping centre of late. It is sad to see that though.

Trintocan.

Thanks @Trintocan for the update. Yes, it is indeed sad to see another aircraft gone to scrapper. MSN 348 is originally Emirates, well known to run their fleet to ground before retiring them, this particular A332 is no different. It was an unlucky aircraft, it was left languished for a period of time because the lessor and TAME had a dispute who to fix the engine after it was busted. Then it hit a pole during a diversion. After running for several years of loss, TAME finally dropped it and returned to lessor. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 30-455040/
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:40 am

Another one bites the dust:
Update 26th Feb 2019:
A340-313 800 3B-NBJ Air Mauritius Ferried 25 Feb19 CDG-LDE, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWJF

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

MSN 800 is one of MK's newly ordered A343 back in 2006. Not sure why they retired her instead on older ones MSN 076, 194 and 268.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:35 am

juliuswong wrote:
Another one bites the dust:
Update 26th Feb 2019:
A340-313 800 3B-NBJ Air Mauritius Ferried 25 Feb19 CDG-LDE, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWJF

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

MSN 800 is one of MK's newly ordered A343 back in 2006. Not sure why they retired her instead on older ones MSN 076, 194 and 268.


I'm surprised someone like Luftwaffe didn't consider acquiring this frame as a replacement for much older A343s, or even Hi Fly short-term.
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:16 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Another one bites the dust:
Update 26th Feb 2019:
A340-313 800 3B-NBJ Air Mauritius Ferried 25 Feb19 CDG-LDE, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWJF

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

MSN 800 is one of MK's newly ordered A343 back in 2006. Not sure why they retired her instead on older ones MSN 076, 194 and 268.


I'm surprised someone like Luftwaffe didn't consider acquiring this frame as a replacement for much older A343s, or even Hi Fly short-term.

I think Luftwaffe is planning to add A350 instead of buying more used A343. The maintenance bill won't be kind for in long term if Luftwaffe keep adding older gen aircraft.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:26 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Another one bites the dust:
Update 26th Feb 2019:
A340-313 800 3B-NBJ Air Mauritius Ferried 25 Feb19 CDG-LDE, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWJF

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

MSN 800 is one of MK's newly ordered A343 back in 2006. Not sure why they retired her instead on older ones MSN 076, 194 and 268.


MSN800 was one of the lease frames along with MSN076 and both were due to remain in the fleet until the next 2 A350s arrived
4Q 2019.
It looks like now they will replace both leased A340s early with the forthcoming delivery of 2 A330-900neo.
The 2 MK owned A340s MSN194 & MSN268 have both recently had cabin upgrades to A350 specs and will remain in the MK fleet until replaced in 2023 by 2 A350s which will be the last 2 of 6 for the airline.
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:58 am

Another one bites the dust.

Update as at 27th Feb 2019:
A340-642 MSN 804 G-VBUG Virgin Atlantic ferried 26feb19 LGW-SBD, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWCV
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:19 am

psimpson wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Another one bites the dust:
Update 26th Feb 2019:
A340-313 800 3B-NBJ Air Mauritius Ferried 25 Feb19 CDG-LDE, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWJF

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

MSN 800 is one of MK's newly ordered A343 back in 2006. Not sure why they retired her instead on older ones MSN 076, 194 and 268.


MSN800 was one of the lease frames along with MSN076 and both were due to remain in the fleet until the next 2 A350s arrived 4Q 2019.

It looks like now they will replace both leased A340s early with the forthcoming delivery of 2 A330-900neo.

The 2 MK owned A340s MSN194 & MSN268 have both recently had cabin upgrades to A350 specs and will remain in the MK fleet until replaced in 2023 by 2 A350s which will be the last 2 of 6 for the airline.

Thanks for the detailed reply. You are a gem! I was wondering wouldn't it be more practical in long run to refurbish newer airframe instead of older ones, although they are leased airframe? Wouldn't the "better" fuel saving negate the preference to refurbish older airframe? I mean keep MSN 793 and MSN 800, retiring others and keeping MSN 076 as back up.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 am

juliuswong wrote:
psimpson wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Another one bites the dust:
Update 26th Feb 2019:
A340-313 800 3B-NBJ Air Mauritius Ferried 25 Feb19 CDG-LDE, for part-out & scrap ex F-WWJF

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

MSN 800 is one of MK's newly ordered A343 back in 2006. Not sure why they retired her instead on older ones MSN 076, 194 and 268.


MSN800 was one of the lease frames along with MSN076 and both were due to remain in the fleet until the next 2 A350s arrived 4Q 2019.

It looks like now they will replace both leased A340s early with the forthcoming delivery of 2 A330-900neo.

The 2 MK owned A340s MSN194 & MSN268 have both recently had cabin upgrades to A350 specs and will remain in the MK fleet until replaced in 2023 by 2 A350s which will be the last 2 of 6 for the airline.

Thanks for the detailed reply. You are a gem! I was wondering wouldn't it be more practical in long run to refurbish newer airframe instead of older ones, although they are leased airframe? Wouldn't the "better" fuel saving negate the preference to refurbish older airframe? I mean keep MSN 793 and MSN 800, retiring others and keeping MSN 076 as back up.

Not necessarily. If the old aircraft are already owned and paid off, then it costs nothing to have them physically present in the fleet versus the leasing cost of the newer ones. Four or five years worth of marginal fuel savings on newer frames wouldn’t get close to balancing out the lease costs.

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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:10 am

Finally some good news: ex-EY A346 A6-EHK picked up for ACMI use.

Update 28th Feb 2019:
A340-642 MSN 1030 9H-PGS Maleth-Aero seen regd at BOH 27feb19, all white prior delivery ex 2-FIXP
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/maleth-go ... -a340-600/
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:00 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
psimpson wrote:

MSN800 was one of the lease frames along with MSN076 and both were due to remain in the fleet until the next 2 A350s arrived 4Q 2019.

It looks like now they will replace both leased A340s early with the forthcoming delivery of 2 A330-900neo.

The 2 MK owned A340s MSN194 & MSN268 have both recently had cabin upgrades to A350 specs and will remain in the MK fleet until replaced in 2023 by 2 A350s which will be the last 2 of 6 for the airline.

Thanks for the detailed reply. You are a gem! I was wondering wouldn't it be more practical in long run to refurbish newer airframe instead of older ones, although they are leased airframe? Wouldn't the "better" fuel saving negate the preference to refurbish older airframe? I mean keep MSN 793 and MSN 800, retiring others and keeping MSN 076 as back up.

Not necessarily. If the old aircraft are already owned and paid off, then it costs nothing to have them physically present in the fleet versus the leasing cost of the newer ones. Four or five years worth of marginal fuel savings on newer frames wouldn’t get close to balancing out the lease costs.

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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:49 am

Update 1st March 2019:
China Southern Airlines (CZ) withdrew A330-243 B-6077 MSN 818 from service, heading to Wamos Air as EC-NBN.


Minus B-6077, CZ now operates 49 A330-200/300 with mix of PW/RR engines.

China Big 3, now collectively, operate 170 A330ceo (MU: 56, CZ: 49, CA: 65).

Hainan Airlines Group operates 81 A330ceo with 11 more due for delivery.
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:49 am

OO-SFO, A330-301 of Brussels Airlines (MSN 045) has been withdrawn from service.

It'll soon be ferried to U.S desert for scrapping and part-out.
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:10 am

China Airlines A340-313X unknown registration is now scrapped at VCV.

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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:38 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
psimpson wrote:

MSN800 was one of the lease frames along with MSN076 and both were due to remain in the fleet until the next 2 A350s arrived 4Q 2019.

It looks like now they will replace both leased A340s early with the forthcoming delivery of 2 A330-900neo.

The 2 MK owned A340s MSN194 & MSN268 have both recently had cabin upgrades to A350 specs and will remain in the MK fleet until replaced in 2023 by 2 A350s which will be the last 2 of 6 for the airline.

Thanks for the detailed reply. You are a gem! I was wondering wouldn't it be more practical in long run to refurbish newer airframe instead of older ones, although they are leased airframe? Wouldn't the "better" fuel saving negate the preference to refurbish older airframe? I mean keep MSN 793 and MSN 800, retiring others and keeping MSN 076 as back up.

Not necessarily. If the old aircraft are already owned and paid off, then it costs nothing to have them physically present in the fleet versus the leasing cost of the newer ones. Four or five years worth of marginal fuel savings on newer frames wouldn’t get close to balancing out the lease costs.

V/F

Aircraft never cost nothing. Insurance and periodic checks cost money. The big deal is a return on investment for the money that must be set asside for the next c-check (on hours, on cycles, or clock for corrosion inspection). In general, new generation aircraft reach break even in 7 years in high utilization duty.

Aircraft always have a positive scrap value. Scrappers pay upfront for the aircraft. Usually half (or more) of the value is the engines. The A343 has CFMs where the core has value. The A346 T500s have less value, but there is some part commonality with the T900. So these frames would be bought used for a few million.

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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:14 am

The last 2 VCV reports on www.socalspotters.net both show B-18801, B-18803, B-18805, B18806 and B-18807. Do you know when picture was taken.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:54 am

HNA Group is facing trouble financing their lease again. HX is planning to shed their A332 fleet to finance their A359 delivery.

Hong Kong Airlines has:
10 A330-200-> to be returned.
11 A330-300-> retained, another 13 due for delivery.

Hainan Airlines has:
9 A330-200
25 A330-300

A350 due for delivery:
HX: 12
HU: 11

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hon ... et-cut-its
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:01 am

Update 5th March 2019:
A330-243 MSN 1508 PR-OCK Avianca Brasil ferried 01mar19 GRU-BSB prior return to lessor ex N508AV
A330-243 MSN 1208 N974AV Avianca Colombia ferried 03mar19 GRU-MDE, PR-reg prior transfer ex PR-OBS
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:39 am

Does anyone have any info on RP-C3437 from Philippine Air Lines. I caught it last week on FR24 flying SFO-SFB, presumably for retirement.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PAL ... /KSFO/KSFB
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:07 pm

Why did Lufthansa retire the A330-200 after only three years of service?
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:37 pm

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Why did Lufthansa retire the A330-200 after only three years of service?

I wasn't aware that LH only had D-AIKA for three years as it was delivered to them in April 2004. It is now going to fly for Eurowings as OO-SFK.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:37 pm

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Does anyone have any info on RP-C3437 from Philippine Air Lines. I caught it last week on FR24 flying SFO-SFB, presumably for retirement.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PAL ... /KSFO/KSFB



According to planespotters.net it will go to the spanish airline Plus Ultra.

Beside RP-C3437 three ex-PR A-340-300 will have the same new operator too.
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:43 am

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Why did Lufthansa retire the A330-200 after only three years of service?

It was a stop-gap measures until their own A330-300 arrived.

You may read more here:
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:41 pm

Some good news for all A340-500 lovers:

ex EK A345 A6-ERD has found a new home at Global Aviation and has been flown to JNB already:

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ion/YXZtpN

Would be great to see that bird flying again!
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:17 pm

AlexA340B777 wrote:
ex EK A345 A6-ERD has found a new home at Global Aviation and has been flown to JNB already:


Global have 3 former EK A345's. Since they arrived in JNB in June 2018, October 2018 and January 2019 they have not flown. I don't have any idea what their plan for them is. They also received two TK A343 this last week. Also, no idea what the plan is.
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

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AlexA340B777 wrote:
ex EK A345 A6-ERD has found a new home at Global Aviation and has been flown to JNB already:


Global have 3 former EK A345's. Since they arrived in JNB in June 2018, October 2018 and January 2019 they have not flown. I don't have any idea what their plan for them is. They also received two TK A343 this last week. Also, no idea what the plan is.



There was also talk of Global buying A346 ZS-SNA (MSN 410) and ZS-SNB (MSN 417). Not sure what happened to that deal.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:13 pm

T54A wrote:
evanb wrote:
AlexA340B777 wrote:
ex EK A345 A6-ERD has found a new home at Global Aviation and has been flown to JNB already:


Global have 3 former EK A345's. Since they arrived in JNB in June 2018, October 2018 and January 2019 they have not flown. I don't have any idea what their plan for them is. They also received two TK A343 this last week. Also, no idea what the plan is.



There was also talk of Global buying A346 ZS-SNA (MSN 410) and ZS-SNB (MSN 417). Not sure what happened to that deal.


ZS-SNA has not flown since 23.11.2018, ZS-SNB since 19.09.2018 according to FR24, so it seems that deal could be correct.
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Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:31 am

Update 20/03/2019:
A340-311 115 TC-JDM Turkish Airlines ferried 12mar19 IST-JNB, for Global Aviation (+ 180 TC-JDN 15mar19) ex F-WWJN

Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

Turkish Airlines association with A340 has come to an end with the retirement of TC-JDM and TC-JDN. TK operated nine A343 in its history, with seven new built and two used (ex-AirCanada).
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Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:36 pm

So that makes it 7 used A340s for Global Aviation: 3xEK, 2xSA and 2xTK... wow they are going big huh?
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Update 1st April 2019:
A330-203 819 TC- AtlasGlobal ferried by Azur Aviation 30mar19 LDE-MLA, 2-reg for paint prior delivery ex 2-RLAZ
A330-243F 1406 B-308Q Sichuan Airlines at DUB 30mar19, dual reg after paint prior ferry to DOH and onward delivery ex A7-AFZ
A330-243F 1506 PR-ONV Avianca Brasil ferried 30mar19 BSB-MDE on transfer to Avianca Cargo ex F-WWKF
A330-243 1508 PR-OCK Avianca Brasil ferried 29mar19 BSB-LDE on return to lessor ex N508AV
A340-541 748 I-TALY Aeronautica Militare Italiana at FCO 28mar19 in basic cs prior return to lessor ex A6-EHA
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:38 pm

juliuswong wrote:
A340-541 748 I-TALY Aeronautica Militare Italiana at FCO 28mar19 in basic cs prior return to lessor ex A6-EHA
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2


Italy's ultmate delusion de grandeur. I had enthusiastic and angry feelings about this plane. Enthusiastic as an aviation geek because well the A345 is a rare gem in today's aviation panorama, and indeed a very cool plane. Angry as an italian taxpayer, because - as someone pointed out properly, it was an enormous waste of public money, even if the lease contract was not very expensive, and ( there are mixed versions about this sentence, and I cannot quote factual news, because newspapers' political tendencies heavily influence the news itself ) the plane was not converted into an "air force one", i.e. no luxury meeting rooms or else. The plane was used, according to the press ( again - depends on on which side lays the news source ) only a couple of times - let's say a couple because I had found sources that say one, other say up to ten. Most of time she was sitting in FCO - CIA, that's the hub for Gvt' VIP planes cannot handle such a big bird.

Interesting enough, they gave her a civilian registration, but the Gvt VIP planes are all handled by IAF's 31° Stormo based, as said before, at CIA, and they all have military registration ( MMxxxxx whereas MM stands for Matricola Militare, literally Military Registration ) . Maybe someone better informed than me can explain this discrepancy.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:53 pm

AlexA340B777 wrote:
So that makes it 7 used A340s for Global Aviation: 3xEK, 2xSA and 2xTK... wow they are going big huh?


So, how soon before we see these 7 A340s of different types operating in Iran?
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:24 am

Update 3rd April 2019:
A330-243 MSN 451 9H-CLX Comlux Aviation Malta ferried 31 March 2019 IND-CHR after VIP-config ex F-WJKG
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

Finally she made her appearance after being in cabin outfitting since July 2015 at IND! Bunch of her test flight photo here: https://flightaware.com/photos/aircraft/9HCLX

https://flightaware.com/photos/view/539 ... 1/size/xga
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:28 am

FatCat wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
A340-541 748 I-TALY Aeronautica Militare Italiana at FCO 28mar19 in basic cs prior return to lessor ex A6-EHA
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2


Italy's ultmate delusion de grandeur. I had enthusiastic and angry feelings about this plane. Enthusiastic as an aviation geek because well the A345 is a rare gem in today's aviation panorama, and indeed a very cool plane. Angry as an italian taxpayer, because - as someone pointed out properly, it was an enormous waste of public money, even if the lease contract was not very expensive, and ( there are mixed versions about this sentence, and I cannot quote factual news, because newspapers' political tendencies heavily influence the news itself ) the plane was not converted into an "air force one", i.e. no luxury meeting rooms or else. The plane was used, according to the press ( again - depends on on which side lays the news source ) only a couple of times - let's say a couple because I had found sources that say one, other say up to ten. Most of time she was sitting in FCO - CIA, that's the hub for Gvt' VIP planes cannot handle such a big bird.

Interesting enough, they gave her a civilian registration, but the Gvt VIP planes are all handled by IAF's 31° Stormo based, as said before, at CIA, and they all have military registration ( MMxxxxx whereas MM stands for Matricola Militare, literally Military Registration ) . Maybe someone better informed than me can explain this discrepancy.

The good thing is she is gone for good, ending the bleeding of national coffer. Sad thing she might not find new home. I always wonder how does the cabin looks like, any photo would be good. The days of four holers as VIP might be numbered unless you are an oil-rich nation.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:34 am

Update 5th April 2019:
A330-343 MSN 1607 OE-IIU CIT Aerospace Wow Air cs, regd 03apr19, parked at LDE (+ 1624 OE-IIV ex TF-WOW) ex TF-LUV
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

Status of WOW air A330-343E fleet:
TF-GAY MSN 1098 Stored at LDE Lessor: ICBC Leasing ex-SQ 9V-STJ
TF-LUV MSN 1607 Stored at LDE Lessor: CIT Aerospace ex-UX EC-MIN, ex-BC JA330K
TF-WOW MSN 1624 Stored at LDE Lessor: CIT Aerospace ex-UX EC-MIO, ex-BC JA330L

Source: planespotters.net

With the 737max and 787 grounding, we may find them flying again soon.
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:19 am

Update 8th April 2019:
A340-313 MSN 270 TC-JIH Turkish Airlines ferried 01apr19 IST-JNB, for Global Aviation ex F-WWJP
A340-642 MSN 740 A7-AGA Qatar Airways ferried 01apr19 DOH-FCO for paint into all wh plus Training titl prior use at DOH airport ex F-WWCP
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:13 am

Still two ex-PAL 340s sitting in SFB. Can't imagine Orlando is ideal for air plane storage.
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:24 am

Sean-SAN- wrote:
Still two ex-PAL 340s sitting in SFB. Can't imagine Orlando is ideal for air plane storage.

Both are heading to Spain's Plus Ultra. They are expanding their fleet with four ex-PAL A343. One was recently delivered, three more to go.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Plus-Ultra
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:13 pm

lightsaber wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Thanks for the detailed reply. You are a gem! I was wondering wouldn't it be more practical in long run to refurbish newer airframe instead of older ones, although they are leased airframe? Wouldn't the "better" fuel saving negate the preference to refurbish older airframe? I mean keep MSN 793 and MSN 800, retiring others and keeping MSN 076 as back up.

Not necessarily. If the old aircraft are already owned and paid off, then it costs nothing to have them physically present in the fleet versus the leasing cost of the newer ones. Four or five years worth of marginal fuel savings on newer frames wouldn’t get close to balancing out the lease costs.

V/F[/quote

Aircraft always have a positive scrap value. Scrappers pay upfront for the aircraft. Usually half (or more) of the value is the engines. The A343 has CFMs where the core has value. The A346 T500s have less value, but there is some part commonality with the T900. So these frames would be bought used for a few million.

Lightsaber

The T500 has absolutely no parts commonality with the T900
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:50 pm

juliuswong wrote:
FatCat wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
A340-541 748 I-TALY Aeronautica Militare Italiana at FCO 28mar19 in basic cs prior return to lessor ex A6-EHA
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2


Italy's ultmate delusion de grandeur. I had enthusiastic and angry feelings about this plane. Enthusiastic as an aviation geek because well the A345 is a rare gem in today's aviation panorama, and indeed a very cool plane. Angry as an italian taxpayer, because - as someone pointed out properly, it was an enormous waste of public money, even if the lease contract was not very expensive, and ( there are mixed versions about this sentence, and I cannot quote factual news, because newspapers' political tendencies heavily influence the news itself ) the plane was not converted into an "air force one", i.e. no luxury meeting rooms or else. The plane was used, according to the press ( again - depends on on which side lays the news source ) only a couple of times - let's say a couple because I had found sources that say one, other say up to ten. Most of time she was sitting in FCO - CIA, that's the hub for Gvt' VIP planes cannot handle such a big bird.

Interesting enough, they gave her a civilian registration, but the Gvt VIP planes are all handled by IAF's 31° Stormo based, as said before, at CIA, and they all have military registration ( MMxxxxx whereas MM stands for Matricola Militare, literally Military Registration ) . Maybe someone better informed than me can explain this discrepancy.

The good thing is she is gone for good, ending the bleeding of national coffer. Sad thing she might not find new home. I always wonder how does the cabin looks like, any photo would be good. The days of four holers as VIP might be numbered unless you are an oil-rich nation.


For the A340s case the days are numbered anyways since none are produced new anymore.

The final built A340-300, an ACJ too (Airbus Corporate Jet), is already 10 years old. Reg. is M-IABU, owned by a Russian oligarch.
 
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:32 am

juliuswong wrote:
Update 8th April 2019:
A340-313 MSN 270 TC-JIH Turkish Airlines ferried 01apr19 IST-JNB, for Global Aviation ex F-WWJP
A340-642 MSN 740 A7-AGA Qatar Airways ferried 01apr19 DOH-FCO for paint into all wh plus Training titl prior use at DOH airport ex F-WWCP
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3


Apparently Qatar Airways A7-AGA retired as training aircraft, first photo up online:
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewph ... icid=10399
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:12 am

Looks like the final TK aircraft that was still on property TC-JII has been ferried to JNB like the others.
A319 A320 A321 A333 A343 A346 A388 B712 B733 B737 B738 B739 B744 B748 B752 B764 B772 B77L B77W B788 B789 CRJ2 E145 E17S E190 MD88 MD90
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Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:53 am

Update 15th April 2019:
A330 -223 305 CS-TOE TAP Air Portugal ferried 11apr18 LIS-DGX after storage ex D-AXEL
A330-202 956 VT-JWQ Jet Airways ferried 11apr19 BOM-MAD for storage by Altavair AirFinance ex F-WWYA
A330-302 1361 VT-JWS Jet Airways ferried 13apr19 BLR-BOM prior return to lessor ex F-WWKF
A340-313 331 TC-JII Turkish Airlines ferried 11apr19 ISL-JNB, for Global Aviation ex F-WWJQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
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