Roots1 wrote:

jworks158 wrote:

ROCDLFAN wrote:

The runway construction should be starting any day now. The 738 on ATL in the morning will be cool to see, but the 2X 717 turns are going to suck, in short. The MD’s aren’t being scheduled up here during the construction and that capacity cut will be felt.

It looks like the Seasonal TPA reduction is happening two months early this year, most likely due to the MAX cuts. BWI will be up to 4X frequency at the end of July as mentioned, and TPA will be back in the fall.

Runway Construction???

There is significant runway construction scheduled for this summer at ROC, including a period of time when 4/22 will be closed completely. But I was under the impression it was scheduled for later in the summer (e.g. August)

Can you elaborate more? What is involved in the runway construction? Is there a link which talks about this??

ROCDLFAN wrote:

The runway construction should be starting any day now. The 738 on ATL in the morning will be cool to see, but the 2X 717 turns are going to suck, in short. The MD’s aren’t being scheduled up here during the construction and that capacity cut will be felt.

It looks like the Seasonal TPA reduction is happening two months early this year, most likely due to the MAX cuts. BWI will be up to 4X frequency at the end of July as mentioned, and TPA will be back in the fall.

Terrific....runway construction at ROC. I remember when Delta *canceled service* to Atlanta for a month back in the early 2000's because they didn't want to waste the 727-200's taking a weight penalty using 10-28.

I didn't find anything about runway construction in the last couple of MCAA meetings. What's being done? Whatever it is, get it done quickly, please. Is FedEx being affected?

Jim

Roots1 wrote:

There is significant runway construction scheduled for this summer at ROC, including a period of time when 4/22 will be closed completely. This is likely at least partially driving Delta’s decision to pull the MD’s completely from ROC, given only the shorter 10/28 will be available during that time. But I was under the impression it was scheduled for later in the summer (e.g. August)

What the heck?? They just did construction that closed 4-22 completely in the early 2000's, and they're doing it again?? In summer?? What's going on?

Jim

I just read that SYR won a $6.5 million grant to fix taxi ways.

Well if 4/22 is closed,there is nowhere to spot. Guess i'll stay home. Hopefully it won't be too long.

Wasn’t there a proposal a couple years ago to extend 4/22 to 9,500ft? Is that what they’re doing?

They started briefing the airlines about 6 months ago, this is all I could find on the MCAA website describing it-

Runway 4-22 and Taxiway Improvements

This project improves the existing runway pavement that was last improved in 2000. The design commenced in 2018 with construction proposed for 2019. This project improves approximately 6,000 feet of the runway from Taxiway E South to the Runway 4 threshold.

Project Funding: Proposed FAA Grant

Link: https://www2.monroecounty.gov/airport-plans.php

Also, word is that they’re going to be closing the runway between midnight and 5am every night to work on it. With several flights arriving after midnight I don’t quite have any idea how they plan to have this work.

Supposedly it’s going to start at the end of RWY 4 and extend about 2,000 feet inward.

Also worth noting that the B2 jetbridge replacement is complete, and Delta has actually switched one of their primary gates from B1 to B7, leaving B1 as an overflow gate along with B4. The move was made not only for the gate space, but also because B7 is a swing jetbridge and they lost that feature with B1 with the terminal expansion last year.

ROCDLFAN wrote:

Also, word is that they’re going to be closing the runway between midnight and 5am every night to work on it. With several flights arriving after midnight I don’t quite have any idea how they plan to have this work.

That's kind of stupid. The construction crew will have to set everything up and tear it all down and check for FOD for just a few hours of work every night. Why not just close the runway for a couple weeks, use 10/28 in the meantime and get it all done in one run.

United_fan wrote:

Well if 4/22 is closed,there is nowhere to spot. Guess i'll stay home. Hopefully it won't be too long.

There are still quite a few places! Mainly for 28 arrivals the gravel driveway behind the 7/11. Also if you have a lens that is long enough on top of the parking garage especially from the corners. Lastly through the fence at US Airports


On a another note it appears we are getting our first A300 since march today.

BUF will receive 1.4 mil from the government for some snow related improvements:
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/bu ... 2059991734

ROCDLFAN wrote:

Supposedly it’s going to start at the end of RWY 4 and extend about 2,000 feet inward.

Reminds me of the runway 4/22 extension in the 1960s, when American had to pull the 707s off the schedule, and replaced the BAC 1-11s to NY with Electras.

ROC SPOTTER ALERT: NASA T-38A N909NA as of 7pm this evening 6/7/19 it was located at the US Airports 700 ramp. I do not know how long it will be in ROC.

On arrival from Portsmouth, NH it flew over runway 04 at over 300kts and did a loop around before coming in for a landing. It was a sight to see

I was able to take some fantastic shots of its arrival, taxiing into the ramp and parking, and some static shots. I am in the process of editing them and they should be available tommorow.

FOR ALL UPSTATE NY AIRPORTS: I highly recommend checking out [url]Jettip.net[/url] if you enjoy plane spotting, it alerts you when there is a rare gem coming in like todays NASA bird, or a special livery, or a weather diversion. But mainly whenever there is an aircraft type/airline which hasn't been there in the last month.

jworks158 wrote:

ROC SPOTTER ALERT: NASA T-38A N909NA as of 7pm this evening 6/7/19 it was located at the US Airports 700 ramp. I do not know how long it will be in ROC.

On arrival from Portsmouth, NH it flew over runway 04 at over 300kts and did a loop around before coming in for a landing. It was a sight to see

I was able to take some fantastic shots of its arrival, taxiing into the ramp and parking, and some static shots. I am in the process of editing them and they should be available tommorow.

FOR ALL UPSTATE NY AIRPORTS: I highly recommend checking out Jettip.net if you enjoy plane spotting, it alerts you when there is a rare gem coming in like todays NASA bird, or a special livery, or a weather diversion. But mainly whenever there is an aircraft type/airline which hasn't been there in the last month.

Photos: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/sta ... 1687946240

Flew in on DL1111 last night and was pleasantly surprised to have caught a ride on one of the SkyTeam 737-800’s up to ROC. I couldn’t get a lot of good pictures- it was raining and we didn’t land in ROC until after 1am, but it should be a frequent visitor up here for the summer.

ROCDLFAN wrote:

Flew in on DL1111 last night and was pleasantly surprised to have caught a ride on one of the SkyTeam 737-800’s up to ROC. I couldn’t get a lot of good pictures- it was raining and we didn’t land in ROC until after 1am, but it should be a frequent visitor up here for the summer.

I got quite a few good pictures early the next morning! Guess what according to jettip it will be back tonight!

jworks158 wrote:

ROCDLFAN wrote:

Flew in on DL1111 last night and was pleasantly surprised to have caught a ride on one of the SkyTeam 737-800’s up to ROC. I couldn’t get a lot of good pictures- it was raining and we didn’t land in ROC until after 1am, but it should be a frequent visitor up here for the summer.

I got quite a few good pictures early the next morning! Guess what according to jettip it will be back tonight!

Out of the first 6 days of DL 738 service the skyteam livery will operate 3 days
Starting monday it appears the DL739 replaces the DL738.

I have received a tip from an insider which confirms that the "04-22 shutdown will be for 11 days right after the air show". Also "The south end of of 04/22 will be closing in early july roughly south of A1".

jworks158 wrote:

United_fan wrote:

Well if 4/22 is closed,there is nowhere to spot. Guess i'll stay home. Hopefully it won't be too long.

There are still quite a few places! Mainly for 28 arrivals the gravel driveway behind the 7/11. Also if you have a lens that is long enough on top of the parking garage especially from the corners. Lastly through the fence at US Airports


On a another note it appears we are getting our first A300 since march today.

No visits from overzealous Sheriffs there ?

United_fan wrote:

jworks158 wrote:

United_fan wrote:

Well if 4/22 is closed,there is nowhere to spot. Guess i'll stay home. Hopefully it won't be too long.

There are still quite a few places! Mainly for 28 arrivals the gravel driveway behind the 7/11. Also if you have a lens that is long enough on top of the parking garage especially from the corners. Lastly through the fence at US Airports


On a another note it appears we are getting our first A300 since march today.

No visits from overzealous Sheriffs there ?

That's the thing that keeps me from spotting at ROC, I am just not familiar with how overzealous LEOs are at ROC.
At BUF I am mostly left alone but occasionally a 'concerned' citizen makes a call to NFTA and then I get ID checked and some vague not so direct questioning about immigration status.

United_fan wrote:

jworks158 wrote:

United_fan wrote:

Well if 4/22 is closed,there is nowhere to spot. Guess i'll stay home. Hopefully it won't be too long.

There are still quite a few places! Mainly for 28 arrivals the gravel driveway behind the 7/11. Also if you have a lens that is long enough on top of the parking garage especially from the corners. Lastly through the fence at US Airports


On a another note it appears we are getting our first A300 since march today.

No visits from overzealous Sheriffs there ?

While I have at times had visits from the sheriffs department, overall I am nice and professional to them and they are the same back. They have also only ever bothered me at that one location, they typically drive right by, sometimes even wave.

When I was approached by a deputy two times ago, he recommended contacting the airport authority, I am not going to disclose what they said do to the email being confidential. However If you spot at ROC I would write a nice professional and diplomatic email to them and include pictures of where you like to spot.

I have written permission to take pictures from US Airports. Knock on wood,I haven't been rolled up on in 5 years.

United_fan wrote:

I have written permission to take pictures from US Airports. Knock on wood,I haven't been rolled up on in 5 years.

How did you manage that I was told there would be no blanket permits issued.

jworks158 wrote:

United_fan wrote:

I have written permission to take pictures from US Airports. Knock on wood,I haven't been rolled up on in 5 years.

How did you manage that I was told there would be no blanket permits issued.

My irrefutable charm,i guess.

Tonight is the first evening that Delta will be bringing scheduled 737-900 service to ROC. From what I see, it will operate in as DL1111 Mon-Thurs nights for the next 3 weeks, then operate back out as DL2129 the following mornings.