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Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:54 am

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I heard from a good source that STL has been putting a lot of effort into courting Condor this past year.

Do you think an announcement is imminent
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:59 am

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I heard from a good source that STL has been putting a lot of effort into courting Condor this past year.

Do you think an announcement is imminent

If there is an announcement it should be around August-October. Aside from STL, Condor has been considering a move at KCI. It really could be one or the other, both, or even neither.
Announcements of competitive service at Pitt(BA) and Austin(LH) were somewhat of a surprise and have lead to renewed interest in new markets.
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:43 am

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stl07 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
I heard from a good source that STL has been putting a lot of effort into courting Condor this past year.

Do you think an announcement is imminent

If there is an announcement it should be around August-October. Aside from STL, Condor has been considering a move at KCI. It really could be one or the other, both, or even neither.
Announcements of competitive service at Pitt(BA) and Austin(LH) were somewhat of a surprise and have lead to renewed interest in new markets.

Thanks for the update, I want to go to a specific place in Africa next year, and Condor is I think one of only 2 EU carriers that fly there interestingly, so this would be a huge help, even if I have to go to KC to take it
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:44 am

Am I the only one that noticed SUS flights on Concur?
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:00 am

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Am I the only one that noticed SUS flights on Concur?


Contour? Or assuming you mean concur the company, what airline are they using?
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:05 am

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stl07 wrote:
Am I the only one that noticed SUS flights on Concur?


Contour? Or assuming you mean concur the company, what airline are they using?

concur

some air charter service, so it may be empty legs they decided to put on sale commercially
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:51 pm

On the floor plan it looks like there are stairs at several of the C international gates that say FIS. If I recall, you’d come off the plane, be in the glassed I’m sterile area and then go down the stairs. If they reopen that FIS it would likely need a refresh and new baggage belt. From there I can’t remember where it dumped you out.

Does WN have a way to recheck bags if you’re connecting or do you have to go upstairs?

Either way, C has the space to process wide body arrivals. I’ve seen photos of the FIS in T2. If you google STL customs, some contractor posted them online after a renovation. It looks perfectly adequate for a 737, but stack up 2-3 arrivals and it would get jammed pretty fast.

Does STL have Global Entry?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:00 pm

stl07 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Am I the only one that noticed SUS flights on Concur?


Contour? Or assuming you mean concur the company, what airline are they using?

concur

some air charter service, so it may be empty legs they decided to put on sale commercially


Where are these bookable? Just curious.

On the Condor front, I would be ok with this but wouldn't drive to KC to do it.
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:24 pm

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On the floor plan it looks like there are stairs at several of the C international gates that say FIS. If I recall, you’d come off the plane, be in the glassed I’m sterile area and then go down the stairs. If they reopen that FIS it would likely need a refresh and new baggage belt. From there I can’t remember where it dumped you out.

Does WN have a way to recheck bags if you’re connecting or do you have to go upstairs?

Either way, C has the space to process wide body arrivals. I’ve seen photos of the FIS in T2. If you google STL customs, some contractor posted them online after a renovation. It looks perfectly adequate for a 737, but stack up 2-3 arrivals and it would get jammed pretty fast.

Does STL have Global Entry?


Yes, we have GE. I used it coming back from KEF last May. With only a carry on and a seat up front, I went from plane to parking garage in less than 5 minutes.
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:20 pm

Why would I drive to Kansas City if I can drive to Chicago and get cheaper flights/more destinations?
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:03 pm

About the Condor rumor...

Could it come to life? I truly think a 767-300 to Frankfurt at 2x weekly wouldn't do so bad. I've also been interested in A321LR's to Dublin, but that didn't appear on their shortlist.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:28 pm

When am I going to see the Spirit adds STL thread?
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:38 pm

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When am I going to see the Spirit adds STL thread?


NK adding service out of STL will probably happen in the near future since NK has recently added service to other former FL destinations such as AVL, CLT, CMH, IND, JAX, RIC, and RDU.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:50 pm

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When am I going to see the Spirit adds STL thread?


NK adding service out of STL will probably happen in the near future since NK has recently added service to other former FL destinations such as AVL, CLT, CMH, IND, JAX, RIC, and RDU.


I think it is a good possibility for them to grab some business in the ULCC arena. WIth WN adding and adding flights, prices, while competitive seem to inch up. While I wouldn't fly NK, I would welcome some more competition to keep fares in check.
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:07 am

I think NK or B6 would do well at STL, but I have to think NK would have better luck. They will definitely appeal to the budget O&D crowd.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:56 am

Some LF numbers

International Loads are out for September

WOW 63%
Southwest to Cancun 80%
Frontier to Cancun 65%
Air Canada 77%

December Load Factors

Newer route numbers:
Frontier to JAX 84%
Frontier to West Palm 75%
Sun Country to Fort Myers 65%
Sun Country to Tampa 74%
Southwest to Hartford 78%
Sacramento still yet to have a month under 90%

Also the LAS redeye was 82% for the year. It always amazes me how they do on it.

Ill get the rest out this weekend sometime
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:57 am

Final 2018 numbers for BLV are out.

302,409 passengers on the year.
up 23% over 2017

In the top 200 busiest airports in the United States now.

Which means both STL and BLV combined for 15,934,995 passengers in 2018. So close to 16 mil!
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:37 am

Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:37 am

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Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Didn't see that one coming.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:07 pm

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pmanni1 wrote:
Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Didn't see that one coming.


FINALLY!!! Thank you, WN!
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:31 pm

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Final 2018 numbers for BLV are out.

302,409 passengers on the year.
up 23% over 2017

In the top 200 busiest airports in the United States now.

Which means both STL and BLV combined for 15,934,995 passengers in 2018. So close to 16 mil!


If the two airports grow at 5-6% combined in 2019 that would almost hit 17million. That's pretty good.
What else would Allegiant add to BLV?

And the WN add to SLC makes sense. Right in time for ski season.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:51 pm

I'll still make use of Delta for my SLC flights, but good add.
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:21 pm

There goes my 3rd dl flight

But glad for the WN people, I know this was a huge hole
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:53 pm

Was hoping WN would give STL some more love. JAX, ORF, BUF, CLT all would make sense. But adding a flight in October isnt a bad thing.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:14 pm

12p out from STL. interesting - it's not a part of the 130p power hour.

arrival comes in at 340.
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:49 pm

AA is keeping a 737 max here
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:50 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Didn't see that one coming.


FINALLY!!! Thank you, WN!


I actually expected WN to bring back STL-SLC nonstop service since (a) WN already brought back a few other previously discontinued nonstop routes out of STL such as STL-CLE and STL-LIT, (b) SLC is one of the top destinations traveled to from STL that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from STL, and (c) WN is much bigger at STL today than was the case when WN last operated STL-SLC nonstop service.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:27 pm

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AA is keeping a 737 max here

I saw that in another thread. Wonder why? It was a ferry here based on the flight number.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:24 pm

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stl07 wrote:
AA is keeping a 737 max here

I saw that in another thread. Wonder why? It was a ferry here based on the flight number.


Two possibilities I can think of:

1. They don't have the room at one of their other hubs/MX bases
2. Storm season is upon us, they want them spread across the country so if an airport gets hit with a nasty hail storm or tornado they don't all get damaged.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:07 pm

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TWA302 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
AA is keeping a 737 max here

I saw that in another thread. Wonder why? It was a ferry here based on the flight number.


Two possibilities I can think of:

1. They don't have the room at one of their other hubs/MX bases
2. Storm season is upon us, they want them spread across the country so if an airport gets hit with a nasty hail storm or tornado they don't all get damaged.


Might be over thinking it a bit but if they are going to be on the ground anyway, it might be a way to get the mechanics here more familiar with it Incase they end up having to do work in the future on them.

Either way there is storage space here.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:11 pm

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Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Anyone think this might be a sign that WN would eventually bring back STL-ABQ too?
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:16 pm

mwa459 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Anyone think this might be a sign that WN would eventually bring back STL-ABQ too?


Was just thinking the same thing. What is still left of the former STL-XXX routes that were cut? Off the top of my head... ABQ, SDF, IND, BHM?
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:22 pm

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Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Didn't see that one coming.


Should be interesting to see what DL does here
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:36 pm

N383SW wrote:
mwa459 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Anyone think this might be a sign that WN would eventually bring back STL-ABQ too?


Was just thinking the same thing. What is still left of the former STL-XXX routes that were cut? Off the top of my head... ABQ, SDF, IND, BHM?


GRR was cut about the same time ABQ was. I don't remember if MEM ever was run back in the day.

I am curious with all the grown WN has done what led to them cutting those routes. I am guessing they were just more point to point then than they are now and they didn't have the O&D to support them. I wonder if it would be different now.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:39 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Looks like WN is adding STL-SLC starting 10/2.


Didn't see that one coming.


Should be interesting to see what DL does here


I am also. I love using SLC to connect out west on DL. It gets pretty good loads. 82.5% for 2018. Went over 90% some months.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:01 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
N383SW wrote:
mwa459 wrote:

Anyone think this might be a sign that WN would eventually bring back STL-ABQ too?


Was just thinking the same thing. What is still left of the former STL-XXX routes that were cut? Off the top of my head... ABQ, SDF, IND, BHM?


GRR was cut about the same time ABQ was. I don't remember if MEM ever was run back in the day.

I am curious with all the grown WN has done what led to them cutting those routes. I am guessing they were just more point to point then than they are now and they didn't have the O&D to support them. I wonder if it would be different now.


MEM was never served out of STL, MEM came from AirTran, ABQ was originally cut back around 2010 or 2011 ish, IIRC. I think SDF, SLC, BHM, CLE, CMH, IND, LIT, etc were all cut in the early to mid 2000’s after 9/11 and the recession around 2008 when STL went down significantly in departures from WN. Obviously some like LIT, CLE, CMH, SLC have/are making a come back plus all of the adds that have happened over the last few years.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:18 pm

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GRR was cut about the same time ABQ was. I don't remember if MEM ever was run back in the day.

I am curious with all the grown WN has done what led to them cutting those routes. I am guessing they were just more point to point then than they are now and they didn't have the O&D to support them. I wonder if it would be different now.


WN started service out of GRR prior to the repeal of the Wright Amendment, and WN could offer 1-stop connecting service to GRR from DAL through STL but not through MDW back when WN first started service out of GRR. WN is now able to offer 1-stop connecting service from DAL to GRR through MDW with the repeal of the Wright Amendment and the addition of DAL-MDW and GRR-MDW nonstop service.

There are also some destinations in the Western U.S. and Southeastern U.S. that aren't served nonstop from STL on WN, and WN can offer connections to more destinations in the Western U.S. and Southeastern U.S. from GRR through MDW than it can through STL.

WN didn't serve MEM prior to the WN-FL merger, and WN entered MEM through the WN-FL merger. WN also has never served MEM nonstop from STL, but STL did have nonstop service to MEM on AA, DL, NW, and TW in the past.

While WN doesn't currently serve ABQ nonstop from STL, WN still serves ABQ nonstop from MDW, DEN, and MCI. All of the destinations east of STL that have nonstop service out of STL on WN are also already served nonstop from MDW or DEN, and WN is also able to connect passengers to destinations east of STL from ABQ through BWI, MDW, DAL, DEN, or MCI.

I expect WN to bring back STL-ABQ nonstop service at some point since WN is much bigger at STL than was the case back when WN last operated STL-ABQ nonstop service. In addition, WN also has more nonstop service to the East Coast from STL than was the case when WN last operated STL-ABQ nonstop service.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:19 pm

N383SW wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
N383SW wrote:

Was just thinking the same thing. What is still left of the former STL-XXX routes that were cut? Off the top of my head... ABQ, SDF, IND, BHM?


GRR was cut about the same time ABQ was. I don't remember if MEM ever was run back in the day.

I am curious with all the grown WN has done what led to them cutting those routes. I am guessing they were just more point to point then than they are now and they didn't have the O&D to support them. I wonder if it would be different now.


MEM was never served out of STL, MEM came from AirTran, ABQ was originally cut back around 2010 or 2011 ish, IIRC. I think SDF, SLC, BHM, CLE, CMH, IND, LIT, etc were all cut in the early to mid 2000’s after 9/11 and the recession around 2008 when STL went down significantly in departures from WN. Obviously some like LIT, CLE, CMH, SLC have/are making a come back plus all of the adds that have happened over the last few years.


For FWIW I flew TPA-SDF-STL in December 2007. Also remember having the option to fly TPA-BHM-STL so they at least lasted that long. So you are pretty close probably.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:03 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
N383SW wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

GRR was cut about the same time ABQ was. I don't remember if MEM ever was run back in the day.

I am curious with all the grown WN has done what led to them cutting those routes. I am guessing they were just more point to point then than they are now and they didn't have the O&D to support them. I wonder if it would be different now.


MEM was never served out of STL, MEM came from AirTran, ABQ was originally cut back around 2010 or 2011 ish, IIRC. I think SDF, SLC, BHM, CLE, CMH, IND, LIT, etc were all cut in the early to mid 2000’s after 9/11 and the recession around 2008 when STL went down significantly in departures from WN. Obviously some like LIT, CLE, CMH, SLC have/are making a come back plus all of the adds that have happened over the last few years.


For FWIW I flew TPA-SDF-STL in December 2007. Also remember having the option to fly TPA-BHM-STL so they at least lasted that long. So you are pretty close probably.


Yeah I'm pretty fuzzy on exactly when most of those were cut, I guess this getting older stuff is starting to catch up haha.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:44 am

Ran thru the October WN schedule for STL.

Mon-fri 121 (one short of summer)
Sat 88
Sun 129 (most per day WN has ever had)
822 a week

Changes from Aug/Sept

SLC +1 m-f
CUN +1 Sun-Fri
AUS +1 Sat
BOS +1 Sat
FLL +1 Sat
MCO +2 Sat
CMH +1 Sun
MSP +1 Sun
TPA +1 Sun
PHL -1 Sat +1 Sun

PNS -1 Sat (end of season)
ECP -1 Sun

Changes YoY
Mon-Fri +6 (CUN/SLC/CLE/DEN/DTW/BNA)
Sat +4
Sun +16

Total +50 (6.5% gain)

Full spreadsheet. tab to far right
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:22 pm

Inbound Intl flights estimated arrival times

WN MBJ 515 (although it is currently further away than the 2 PUJ flights)
WN PUJ 528
F9 PUJ 535
WN CUN 550

Customs is going to be fun.... not to mention the gate situation if the MBJ flight actually is further out. Hopefully in reality the PUJ flights times are going to be earlier.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:53 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Inbound Intl flights estimated arrival times

WN MBJ 515 (although it is currently further away than the 2 PUJ flights)
WN PUJ 528
F9 PUJ 535
WN CUN 550

Customs is going to be fun.... not to mention the gate situation if the MBJ flight actually is further out. Hopefully in reality the PUJ flights times are going to be earlier.


Looks like WN’s PUJ and MBJ flights both went into 31 and about 25 minutes apart. That’s a quick turn, even if the first plane was just towed somewhere else.
It would definitely help if F9 could unload international in C.

In addition to Europe, what other international routes make sense from STL? I think WN could do seasonal NAS. TW used to fly MEX.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:09 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Inbound Intl flights estimated arrival times

WN MBJ 515 (although it is currently further away than the 2 PUJ flights)
WN PUJ 528
F9 PUJ 535
WN CUN 550

Customs is going to be fun.... not to mention the gate situation if the MBJ flight actually is further out. Hopefully in reality the PUJ flights times are going to be earlier.


Looks like WN’s PUJ and MBJ flights both went into 31 and about 25 minutes apart. That’s a quick turn, even if the first plane was just towed somewhere else.
It would definitely help if F9 could unload international in C.

In addition to Europe, what other international routes make sense from STL? I think WN could do seasonal NAS. TW used to fly MEX.


WN could probably make a few places work. Cabo or Puerto Vallarta already have charters so WN could probably steal traffic from those since we already know people go there.
Besides them I would like to see another Canadian location. Probably YUL makes the most sense.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:33 pm

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TW used to fly MEX.


WN has already announced that it will be completely pulling out of MEX on March 30th, and the last WN flight out of MEX will be WN flight 2831 from MEX to HOU on March 30th.

Even though WN will be pulling out of MEX, STL-MEX nonstop service could be added by AM, 4O, or Y4 if there was enough demand for nonstop service to MEX from STL.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:42 am

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Probably YUL makes the most sense.

Would also love to see WestJet enter the market with flights to YYC. I doubt it'd happen considering they already fly to Nashville from there (and I don't know the O&D for the STL-YYC pair), but you never know. Wishful thinking on my end.

Have to think our best bet on any *real* Mexico service is probably through Volaris. Doubt it's worth Aeroméxico's time (and money) to send even a regional jet up to STL.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:32 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
Probably YUL makes the most sense.

Would also love to see WestJet enter the market with flights to YYC. I doubt it'd happen considering they already fly to Nashville from there (and I don't know the O&D for the STL-YYC pair), but you never know. Wishful thinking on my end.

Have to think our best bet on any *real* Mexico service is probably through Volaris. Doubt it's worth Aeroméxico's time (and money) to send even a regional jet up to STL.


Agree on Volaris. Also as earlier mentioned we won’t see MEX. everyone is pulling out of there.

I’d just be happy with westjet to YYZ to get those fares down. They are crazy.
 
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Trololzilla wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Probably YUL makes the most sense.

Would also love to see WestJet enter the market with flights to YYC. I doubt it'd happen considering they already fly to Nashville from there (and I don't know the O&D for the STL-YYC pair), but you never know. Wishful thinking on my end.

Have to think our best bet on any *real* Mexico service is probably through Volaris. Doubt it's worth Aeroméxico's time (and money) to send even a regional jet up to STL.


Agree on Volaris. Also as earlier mentioned we won’t see MEX. everyone is pulling out of there.

I’d just be happy with westjet to YYZ to get those fares down. They are crazy.


It's funny TW used to fly YYZ mainline several times a day. I flew them back in the late 90's. Sat in F across the aisle from John Goodman.
I think WestJet would be an interesting add maybe with Calgary and seasonal Vancouver, but just a thought. I think AA/TW used to fly Puerta Vallarta, so WN picking that up would probably work.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:32 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Trololzilla wrote:
Would also love to see WestJet enter the market with flights to YYC. I doubt it'd happen considering they already fly to Nashville from there (and I don't know the O&D for the STL-YYC pair), but you never know. Wishful thinking on my end.

Have to think our best bet on any *real* Mexico service is probably through Volaris. Doubt it's worth Aeroméxico's time (and money) to send even a regional jet up to STL.


Agree on Volaris. Also as earlier mentioned we won’t see MEX. everyone is pulling out of there.

I’d just be happy with westjet to YYZ to get those fares down. They are crazy.


It's funny TW used to fly YYZ mainline several times a day. I flew them back in the late 90's. Sat in F across the aisle from John Goodman.
I think WestJet would be an interesting add maybe with Calgary and seasonal Vancouver, but just a thought. I think AA/TW used to fly Puerta Vallarta, so WN picking that up would probably work.


TW I know had a 2x weekly to PVR and a daily towards the end because I burned the balance of my miles to go there, but pretty sure it would have to be a seasonal now if WN jumped in now.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:10 am

2018 Year end Load Factors

Over 88%
WN Sacramento (SMF) .......... 93.58%
WN Pensacola FL (PNS).......... 92.16%
WN Portland OR (PDX) ..........91.86%
F9 Denver CO (DEN) ..........91.52%
WN San Jose (SJC) ..........91.10%
G4 Punta Gorda FL (PGD).......... 90.16%
WN Seattle WA (SEA) ..........89.92%
WN West Palm Beach FL (PBI).......... 89.44%
G4 St Petersburg/Tampa FL (PIE).......... 89.00%
AS Portland (PDX) ....................88.89% ---- Discontinued in May
WN San Francisco CA (SFO) .......... 88.88%
WN Orlando FL (MCO) ..........88.38%
WN Pittsburgh PA (PIT).......... 88.29%
WN Denver CO (DEN) ..........88.05%

Lowest 5
AA Philadelphia PA (PHL) ..........74.14%
DL New York NY (LGA) ..........73.26%
AA New York NY (LGA).......... 70.57%
AA Chicago IL (ORD) ..........69.44%
DL Cincinnati OH (CVG) ..........59.22%

Others noted that started Oct or later
F9 West Palm Beach (PBI) ..........73.55% -- Started November
SY Fort Myers FL (RSW) ..........64.24% Started October
SY Tampa FL (TPA) ..........70.10% Started November


Full spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:25 am

Eegads, the loads on that DL flight to Cincinnati look terrible. I know it's a short hop and all that, but . . . eek!
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