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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:07 pm

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So much for the "low and slow" approach to expansion in STL, right? :lol:

Looking at the fares, 9/12 -9/15

SY with a checked bag and seat (basic $13) r/t - $252.61
WN - $346.96
F9 with "perks" bundle - $312.30 (return flight is a connection and leaves LAS at 1:40am)

Seems like a good addition for them. Should do well for them from a price standpoint. Time coming home stinks ~7am
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:51 am

So don’t think I’ve seen this posted. Stumbled upon a video on YouTube of the closed D concourse. At the end there’s a video upstairs by the newly renovated C28.
The video also shows the old food court at C/D. Some of his narration isn’t completely accurate, but it’s interesting to see the space. Video was posted in February.

https://youtu.be/ZgxWsZt7sao
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:20 am

Oh man, so many meals grabbed before my STL-MSY flights at that Burger King back in the day.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:46 am

dcaproducer wrote:
So don’t think I’ve seen this posted. Stumbled upon a video on YouTube of the closed D concourse. At the end there’s a video upstairs by the newly renovated C28.
The video also shows the old food court at C/D. Some of his narration isn’t completely accurate, but it’s interesting to see the space. Video was posted in February.

https://youtu.be/ZgxWsZt7sao


Great find. That old food court brings back memories of my youth. Looks like they haven't started any reno in E yet for the new gate at that point. It was cool to see some of the reno going on past C28. Also crazy that elevator worked to go upstairs.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:37 pm

Here's the end of C video he also did. He goes outside and walks around the exterior at the end of the concourse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0s7YPw_-nM

What I thought was interesting about D was that some of the gate areas had more hold space than I remember. Especially on the end closer to T2.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:58 pm

If I didn't know any better that guy made it sound like the whole airport was nearly abandoned. Cinnabon. MMMMMMMMMMM
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:24 pm

Annnnd the video has been taken down. That was about predictable once the airport got word of it. Drives me crazy how much they try to keep everything a secret. Who cares.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:22 pm

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Annnnd the video has been taken down. That was about predictable once the airport got word of it. Drives me crazy how much they try to keep everything a secret. Who cares.

Yeah seriously!! What’s wrong with a little nostalgia? It is what it is and if the airport doesn’t want anyone to see it then do something about it!
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:32 pm

Even more interesting than LAS for me at least is that MSP got extended over the winter season, the one route nobody thought will work
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:33 pm

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Annnnd the video has been taken down. That was about predictable once the airport got word of it. Drives me crazy how much they try to keep everything a secret. Who cares.


Odd they care so much. It’s as they are hiding some secret announcement or renovation, but that’s not really the case.
Also, the videos appear to be from someone with an airport access badge. At the end of the D tour he appeared to swipe his badge to get through the door. Also, your average enthusiast doesn’t get tarmac access, like he does in his second video.

You’ve got to wonder if some C concourse announcement is coming. It’s pretty obvious D is tied to WN increasing service.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:54 pm

Oh and the flight is at night so few to 0 connections

I still fail to see why anyone would take them to MSP when DL is only 10 dollars more on most days...
I mean, I would take them for fun since I'm an Avgeek but a handful of plane enthusiasts aren't going to fill a 738
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:38 am

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Annnnd the video has been taken down. That was about predictable once the airport got word of it. Drives me crazy how much they try to keep everything a secret. Who cares.


Odd they care so much. It’s as they are hiding some secret announcement or renovation, but that’s not really the case.
Also, the videos appear to be from someone with an airport access badge. At the end of the D tour he appeared to swipe his badge to get through the door. Also, your average enthusiast doesn’t get tarmac access, like he does in his second video.

You’ve got to wonder if some C concourse announcement is coming. It’s pretty obvious D is tied to WN increasing service.


He said in a comment he works for AA. Maybe a gate agent or something.

And with D it isn’t like it showed renovations they hadn’t announced so I don’t see the big deal. Even if it had then that is even better to get some buzz going. I just don’t get the rationale behind some of the way they do things.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:43 am

My bet AA thought it was a big deal going places he’s not really supposed to go for his job and videoing it. I just hope he keeps his job.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:50 am

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My bet AA thought it was a big deal going places he’s not really supposed to go for his job and videoing it. I just hope he keeps his job.


Yeah, I'm sure AA and Lambert weren't pleased that a gate agent or a ramp rat went wandering all over the airport.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:03 am

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TVNWZ wrote:
My bet AA thought it was a big deal going places he’s not really supposed to go for his job and videoing it. I just hope he keeps his job.


Yeah, I'm sure AA and Lambert weren't pleased that a gate agent or a ramp rat went wandering all over the airport.


I can see them not thrilled with him videoing it, but obviously he must have had access to the area and if he was doing it off the clock then I don't see why it should have been a big deal. If he wasn't supposed to be in those areas then they shouldn't have given him a code/keycard to be there. Hopefully it wasn't more than take it down and don't do it again.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:33 am

The man who made the video told News 4 he works for an airport vendor. Lambert officials say he's not a security threat, but they are investigating the video.

https://www.kmov.com/news/youtuber-gain ... 78f8f.html

So apparently he didn't work for AA.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:28 am

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Oh and the flight is at night so few to 0 connections

I still fail to see why anyone would take them to MSP when DL is only 10 dollars more on most days...
I mean, I would take them for fun since I'm an Avgeek but a handful of plane enthusiasts aren't going to fill a 738


Because for many people in MSP, taking SY due to the ease of Terminal 2 and not having the stress that is Terminal 1 on a bad day is a huge difference. For those in STL going to MSP, they see the lowest price on Expedia or Kayak and go with it.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:47 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
The man who made the video told News 4 he works for an airport vendor. Lambert officials say he's not a security threat, but they are investigating the video.

https://www.kmov.com/news/youtuber-gain ... 78f8f.html

So apparently he didn't work for AA.


I thought he would have had permission to film in those areas since he appeared to have an airport security badge. In one shot a police officer opens the door for him.

One thing the airport may be concerned about, since it appears he didn't have permission, is that the video may have showed security and access control systems that they didn't want public. This can be an OPSEC concern. Security isn't just what you see, it's what you can't see as well.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:15 pm

Just because you are a vendor, and your card may work, does not mean you get to wander in closed off areas of the airport. If you have no business there you will be in trouble. If you have no business there and taking pictures you will be in real trouble.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am

First visit in a week’s time, on the 18th. Visiting from the UK to stay with our son who works in St Louis. Staying in Chicago for a few days first. Will share my passenger experiences.

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Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:49 pm

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Just because you are a vendor, and your card may work, does not mean you get to wander in closed off areas of the airport. If you have no business there you will be in trouble. If you have no business there and taking pictures you will be in real trouble.


100%. If that police officer allowed him access to places he shouldn't be that is a huge issue.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:23 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
Just because you are a vendor, and your card may work, does not mean you get to wander in closed off areas of the airport. If you have no business there you will be in trouble. If you have no business there and taking pictures you will be in real trouble.


Exactly, just because his card technically let him into those areas doesn't mean he was allowed to be in those areas or had a valid reason to be there.

I mean, if the guy works for the food vendor and he's wandering around closed areas of C and D, clearly he has no reason to be there.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:33 pm

I would say that if he isn’t supposed to be somewhere then his card probably shouldn’t give him access to it. Especially somewhere as secure as an airport. So maybe this is a good exercise for security to do a better job locking things down if that is the case.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:44 pm

777PHX wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
Just because you are a vendor, and your card may work, does not mean you get to wander in closed off areas of the airport. If you have no business there you will be in trouble. If you have no business there and taking pictures you will be in real trouble.


Exactly, just because his card technically let him into those areas doesn't mean he was allowed to be in those areas or had a valid reason to be there.

I mean, if the guy works for the food vendor and he's wandering around closed areas of C and D, clearly he has no reason to be there.


KMOV said he worked for a wheelchair vendor so I can see if he had access to C, but why would he have ramp access? I am thinking that during some of these, there was someone else that let him into certain areas, like that airport cop who opened the door for him in one of the videos.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:08 am

INTL numbers for October

out/in/combined
WOW 62%/74%/68%
WN Cancun 86%/87%/86%
F9 Cancun 74%/74%/74%
Air Canada 67%/76%/72%
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:53 pm

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An WN blows the doors off of PDX after AS drops it. Love it.


The STL nonstops are real popular for those of us in PDX going eastbound and back. Flight is always full and a lot of connections beyond STL. Especially with the departure time from PDX at 9:30AM. The flight to MDW is at 1:00PM and not as attractive for the same purposes due to the later time.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:44 pm

Since the Cards are in MTY and they use CPS, are they equipped to handle the return in regards to customs? Their website does not really say.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8890/history/20190411/2210Z/KCPS/MMMY
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:56 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Since the Cards are in MTY and they use CPS, are they equipped to handle the return in regards to customs? Their website does not really say.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8890/history/20190411/2210Z/KCPS/MMMY


I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:20 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
INTL numbers for October

out/in/combined
WOW 62%/74%/68%
WN Cancun 86%/87%/86%
F9 Cancun 74%/74%/74%
Air Canada 67%/76%/72%


Looks like F9 is losing market share to WN to Cancun. Doesn't help that the F9 flight leaves so early in the a.m. and arrives in Cancun about 5 hours before you can even check into your hotel.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:33 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Since the Cards are in MTY and they use CPS, are they equipped to handle the return in regards to customs? Their website does not really say.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8890/history/20190411/2210Z/KCPS/MMMY


I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:11 pm

777PHX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Since the Cards are in MTY and they use CPS, are they equipped to handle the return in regards to customs? Their website does not really say.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8890/history/20190411/2210Z/KCPS/MMMY


I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Interesting, thanks for the update. I forgot about SUS also.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:15 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
INTL numbers for October

out/in/combined
WOW 62%/74%/68%
WN Cancun 86%/87%/86%
F9 Cancun 74%/74%/74%
Air Canada 67%/76%/72%


Looks like F9 is losing market share to WN to Cancun. Doesn't help that the F9 flight leaves so early in the a.m. and arrives in Cancun about 5 hours before you can even check into your hotel.


F9 goes to 3 days a week instead of daily in the fall now. Once the WN numbers for when it goes daily come out it will be interesting to see how much more that eats into F9.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:17 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Interesting, thanks for the update. I forgot about SUS also.


I didn't know SUS was until I looked it up. It makes sense though, back in the halcyon days of Anheuser-Busch - they were flying their jets all over the world out of there.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:43 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
INTL numbers for October

out/in/combined
WOW 62%/74%/68%
WN Cancun 86%/87%/86%
F9 Cancun 74%/74%/74%
Air Canada 67%/76%/72%


Looks like F9 is losing market share to WN to Cancun. Doesn't help that the F9 flight leaves so early in the a.m. and arrives in Cancun about 5 hours before you can even check into your hotel.


F9 goes to 3 days a week instead of daily in the fall now. Once the WN numbers for when it goes daily come out it will be interesting to see how much more that eats into F9.


I haven't looked at the fare differences, but tourists like free checked bags. If the flight on F9 is close in price to WN, WN is going to get those passengers.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:41 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Interesting, thanks for the update. I forgot about SUS also.


Moot point, they go to Milwaukee for a series starting Monday the 15th.
 
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:07 pm

Southwest changes to MAX groundings for June (and potentially July)

mon-fri
down a flight
Cancun/Nashville/Vegas/Boston

Sunday down
Baltimore/Chicago/KC/LAX/Nashville/Philly

Saturday down
KC/San Diego

Sunday Up (seems weird to gain)
Denver
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:57 pm

^monday-friday changes LAS/BNA only got reduced outbound. HOU/MCI are the inbound reductions to match them.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:09 pm

777PHX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Since the Cards are in MTY and they use CPS, are they equipped to handle the return in regards to customs? Their website does not really say.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8890/history/20190411/2210Z/KCPS/MMMY


I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Well, it must be a POE since the Jets flew into CPS.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7017/history/20190413/1906Z/CYWG/KCPS
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:27 pm

TWA302 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Well, it must be a POE since the Jets flew into CPS.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7017/history/20190413/1906Z/CYWG/KCPS


Winnipeg is a pre-clearance airport, so it my not be necessary in that case.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm

jrkmsp wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
777PHX wrote:

KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Well, it must be a POE since the Jets flew into CPS.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7017/history/20190413/1906Z/CYWG/KCPS


Winnipeg is a pre-clearance airport, so it my not be necessary in that case.


Shows what I know. :hypnotized:
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:13 pm

TWA302 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

I would assume they are, it is busy enough, if not they could just fly to STL on the way back.


KCPS isn't a designated port of entry, so they would have to go to STL(or SUS).


Well, it must be a POE since the Jets flew into CPS.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7017/history/20190413/1906Z/CYWG/KCPS


And based off last night's game, I'm assuming the Blues are still stuck in YWG.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:47 pm

1st Qtr @flystl noise/usage report is out.

Newest runway used 12.2%
Crosswind RW 1.5%
737MAX broke into the top 15 for most used plane.
Cargo flights up a bit (but were mostly cargo propeller...)
Total flights down (but only because of EAS flights)
Actually had 6 commercial widebody flights listed.. must have been diversions or something.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... -final.pdf
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:35 pm

While not directly STL related COU announced that AA is adding two ORD flights and UA is adding one. This puts the airport up to 11 daily flights, 7 to ORD (4 UA, 3 AA).
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:33 pm

With the news that G4 is going to start service to Mexico. What are the odds they add something from BLV?

https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant-air-says-its-ready-to-add-mexico-to-its-route-map/
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:51 pm

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With the news that G4 is going to start service to Mexico. What are the odds they add something from BLV?

https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant-air-says-its-ready-to-add-mexico-to-its-route-map/

They are adding customs at BLV so who knows.

I just can't wait to see the glee on Cantwell's face when allegiant announces their token 1x weekly international flight to HUX. But jokes aside, he has been doing a great job and has proven the naysayers wrong
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:16 am

I've looked... and I've found documents that show plans for the BLV expansion. (which are somewhat extensive and expensive). However, I can't find any diagrams that show the existing space use for the basement, floor 1 and floor 2 for the terminal building as it is now. Anybody have a source / location for those diagrams? I've searched... I can't find existing terminal drawings..
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:03 am

TWA302 wrote:
With the news that G4 is going to start service to Mexico. What are the odds they add something from BLV?

https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant-air-says-its-ready-to-add-mexico-to-its-route-map/


I feel like CUN is usually low hanging fruit (although maybe a bit tougher at the moment).
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:20 pm

Dual Customs Cargo Facility must still be moving along.

A. Draft Ordinance authorizing the Director of Airports of The City of St. Louis to approve and execute the “Consent to Change In Ownership and Control Structure of Bi-National Gateway Terminal LLC” whereby the City consents to the change in ownership of Bi-National Gateway Terminal, LLC (“Bi-National”).
B. Draft Ordinance authorizing the Assignment and Assumption of Interest in Dual Customs Agreement and Consent of The City of St. Louis agreement by and between Bi-National Gateway Terminal, LLC (“Bi-National” or “Assignor”) and Brownsville International Air Cargo, Inc. (“BIAC” or “Assignee”), and The City of St. Louis (“City”) (the “Consent of Assignment Agreement”).

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 5-1-19.pdf
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:23 am

Load Factor Spreadsheet updated for January

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:28 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Load Factor Spreadsheet updated for January

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


The 44% (rounding up) on DL to CVG really stands out. Would this be a route WN could pick up in the near future? Seems like O&D from STL is NOT very good at all, but with all the WN connections, it could work out well to supplement it. Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos