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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:39 pm
by dcaproducer
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:

Think this growth will lead to more gates? My guess is if the Max issue is solved expect even more additions on the next schedule extension.
Their post also didn’t mention if there are any new destinations or just additional frequencies.


It’s just frequencies. I’ll go thru them today or tomorrow. Oakland is back to year round now though. It has been suspended during Jan/feb past years.

I'm not understanding 17 additional flights make 117 total when I thought there were already over 120+ on Sundays..


That’s a good point. I thought WN was already well over 100 daily flights. 17 additional on Sunday should be pushing higher than 117.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:42 pm
by Jshank83
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:

Think this growth will lead to more gates? My guess is if the Max issue is solved expect even more additions on the next schedule extension.
Their post also didn’t mention if there are any new destinations or just additional frequencies.


It’s just frequencies. I’ll go thru them today or tomorrow. Oakland is back to year round now though. It has been suspended during Jan/feb past years.

I'm not understanding 17 additional flights make 117 total when I thought there were already over 120+ on Sundays..


Over 2018 Jan/Feb, not peak summer. So they are comparing Year over Year.

My count last Jan we had 101 flights on Sunday (the airport says 100 apparently) so you add 17 to that it is 117.
On Monday-Friday we had 108 so now it is 114.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:32 am
by joeman
Jshank83 wrote:
A few aviation facts with the announcement of STL getting an MLS team.

STL has nonstop flights to 25 of the 27 MLS (and to be MLS) markets. Montreal and Vancouver are the only two that they don't have flights to.
Only other city without a TATL flight is Columbus.

and CLE

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:34 am
by stl07
joeman wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
A few aviation facts with the announcement of STL getting an MLS team.

STL has nonstop flights to 25 of the 27 MLS (and to be MLS) markets. Montreal and Vancouver are the only two that they don't have flights to.
Only other city without a TATL flight is Columbus.

and CLE

CLE both (for now) has TATL (suspended but coming back apparently) and lacks an MLS team

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:22 am
by Jshank83
Southwest frequency update for Jan

YOY changes
Mon-Fri 114 +6
Sat 73 -2
Sun 117 +16 (airport said 17 but I had them at 101 last January)

760 +44 total

Changes by city YOY

BWI +1 Sun
CUN -1 Mon-Fri
MDW +1 Mon-Fri
CLE +1 Mon-Fri
DAL +1 Mon-Fri/+2 Sun
DEN +1 Mon-Sat/+2 Sun
DTW +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun
FLL +1 Sun
RSW -1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sat
HOU +1 Sun
LAS +1 Sun
LAX -1 Sat
BNA +1 Mon-Fri
MSY +1 Sun
OAK +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun (year round now)
OKC +1 Sun
MCO +1 Mon-Fri/+2 Sun
PHX +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun
SLC +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun
SJC -1 Sat
SEA -1 Sat
TPA +1 Sat/+2 Sun


link (scroll to the far right tab on the bottom Jan 2020
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:32 am
by joeman
stl07 wrote:
joeman wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
A few aviation facts with the announcement of STL getting an MLS team.

STL has nonstop flights to 25 of the 27 MLS (and to be MLS) markets. Montreal and Vancouver are the only two that they don't have flights to.
Only other city without a TATL flight is Columbus.

and CLE

CLE both (for now) has TATL (suspended but coming back apparently) and lacks an MLS team

Misunderstood at first....thanks

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:40 am
by stlgph
Well thank you, Newark.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:49 am
by stl07
joeman wrote:
stl07 wrote:
joeman wrote:
and CLE

CLE both (for now) has TATL (suspended but coming back apparently) and lacks an MLS team

Misunderstood at first....thanks

Np! Thanks for being civil when I contradicted your post. You are one of the few on the site

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:46 pm
by dcaproducer
Jshank83 wrote:
Southwest frequency update for Jan

YOY changes
Mon-Fri 114 +6
Sat 73 -2
Sun 117 +16 (airport said 17 but I had them at 101 last January)

760 +44 total

Changes by city YOY

BWI +1 Sun
CUN -1 Mon-Fri
MDW +1 Mon-Fri
CLE +1 Mon-Fri
DAL +1 Mon-Fri/+2 Sun
DEN +1 Mon-Sat/+2 Sun
DTW +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun
FLL +1 Sun
RSW -1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sat
HOU +1 Sun
LAS +1 Sun
LAX -1 Sat
BNA +1 Mon-Fri
MSY +1 Sun
OAK +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun (year round now)
OKC +1 Sun
MCO +1 Mon-Fri/+2 Sun
PHX +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun
SLC +1 Mon-Fri/+1 Sun
SJC -1 Sat
SEA -1 Sat
TPA +1 Sat/+2 Sun


link (scroll to the far right tab on the bottom Jan 2020
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


+44 is a 6% increase YoY.
That’s a good number of extra seats. Would still be nice to see some new routes. If the MAX issues are solved, it will be interesting to see next Summer.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:30 pm
by Jshank83
^I am really interested to see March. I think JAX has to be coming. F9 got good numbers on it and they didn't even have connections. If you factor in connector also I think it would do fine. I'll be curious if PUJ is back with all the issues going on there or if they try another Intl.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:27 pm
by Jshank83
Intl Load Factors for STL for Feb

Southwest Cancun 80%
Volaris Huatulco 60%
Volaris Cabo 70%
Frontier Punta Cana 90%
Frontier Cancun 85%

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:59 pm
by dcaproducer
Jshank83 wrote:
Intl Load Factors for STL for Feb

Southwest Cancun 80%
Volaris Huatulco 60%
Volaris Cabo 70%
Frontier Punta Cana 90%
Frontier Cancun 85%


The Cancun and PUJ numbers are good. I think WN could also make SJU work seasonally, and would appeal to people who don’t want to travel international.
I agree with JAX, can I could see another add like RIC.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:50 am
by joeman
stl07 wrote:
joeman wrote:
stl07 wrote:
CLE both (for now) has TATL (suspended but coming back apparently) and lacks an MLS team

Misunderstood at first....thanks

Np! Thanks for being civil when I contradicted your post. You are one of the few on the site

lol...and that includes practically every topic and thread doesn't it?
Cheers!

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:33 pm
by flybaby
Jshank83 wrote:
^I am really interested to see March. I think JAX has to be coming. F9 got good numbers on it and they didn't even have connections. If you factor in connector also I think it would do fine. I'll be curious if PUJ is back with all the issues going on there or if they try another Intl.


Interestingly though, G4 decided not to extend JAX-BLV flights beyond the summer.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:03 am
by Jshank83
DL added a mainline A319 STL-LGA on most Mondays starting Oct 7. First time I have seen that not sure if they had one in the past or not.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:54 am
by atrude777
https://www.semissourian.com/story/2628568.html

"Cape Girardeau officials want to keep the city's passenger service to Chicago, citing increased boardings that ultimately could funnel more federal dollars to the local airport.

The city council has recommended the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) award another two-year Essential Air Service (ESA) contract to SkyWest Airlines, doing business as United Express.

The Utah-based commuter airline proposes to provide 12 weekly round-trip, direct flights to Chicago, which is a step up from its current schedule, Cape Girardeau Regional Airport manager Bruce Loy said Tuesday."

Looks like if approved, CGI-ORD becomes 2 non stops, ending the 3 flights they were used to seeing with 2 non stop, and 1 being through PAH.

Anxious to see what DOT goes with overall!

They can go with the board which means OO-CGI, 9K-MWA, but it seems that it's more justified to choose OO for MWA (cost was tied) and CGI to go with Air Choice One.

I can see DOT going for SkyWest in CGI just to help keep the boarding increased for CGI.

Alex

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:00 am
by Jshank83
atrude777 wrote:
https://www.semissourian.com/story/2628568.html

"Cape Girardeau officials want to keep the city's passenger service to Chicago, citing increased boardings that ultimately could funnel more federal dollars to the local airport.

The city council has recommended the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) award another two-year Essential Air Service (ESA) contract to SkyWest Airlines, doing business as United Express.

The Utah-based commuter airline proposes to provide 12 weekly round-trip, direct flights to Chicago, which is a step up from its current schedule, Cape Girardeau Regional Airport manager Bruce Loy said Tuesday."

Looks like if approved, CGI-ORD becomes 2 non stops, ending the 3 flights they were used to seeing with 2 non stop, and 1 being through PAH.

Anxious to see what DOT goes with overall!

They can go with the board which means OO-CGI, 9K-MWA, but it seems that it's more justified to choose OO for MWA (cost was tied) and CGI to go with Air Choice One.

I can see DOT going for SkyWest in CGI just to help keep the boarding increased for CGI.

Alex


Why would they go against the recommendation at mwa? Unless OO was cheaper (and probably by a substantial amount) they aren’t going to go against what the community recommends.

On the other hand Air Choice One was a fair bit cheaper at CGI than OO so it wouldn’t shock me if they told them that OO isn’t happening and pick someone else.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:25 pm
by atrude777
Jshank83 wrote:

Why would they go against the recommendation at mwa? Unless OO was cheaper (and probably by a substantial amount) they aren’t going to go against what the community recommends.

On the other hand Air Choice One was a fair bit cheaper at CGI than OO so it wouldn’t shock me if they told them that OO isn’t happening and pick someone else.


If DOT looks beyond the airport recommendation, the community vote was 300 vote difference \.

Multiple business's in Southern Illinois did not support Cape Air, they wanted SkyWest, 3 Business actually submitted documents via Community Comments on the Regulation Page to support Chicago.

SkyWest and Cape Air, the difference was minimal in terms of subsidiary, but per passenger, SkyWest wanted $118 per passenger versus $200 for Cape Air, and Cape Air needs subsidiary increase for the 4 year contract to offer BNA and STL.

Not to mention, look at DEC, DOT went against the recommendation!

Hey, I am just dreaming :)

I agree Air Choice One was significantly cheaper, however speaking to the folks down here, CGI didn't even listen to the other airlines, they feel the only way to improve boarding to reach 10,000 folks,was through SkyWest to Chicago.

If the schedule is approved, they will lose the 3 daily, and only go to 2 non stop flights, without routing them through Paducah.

Glad I flew CGI-PAH when I did! Was kind of cool! :)

This is always fascinating and I love to see the community involvement!

We should hear by the end of next week!

Alex

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:36 pm
by stl07
Love love love the Boeing/md influence of the new xfl football logo

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:39 pm
by Jshank83
atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Why would they go against the recommendation at mwa? Unless OO was cheaper (and probably by a substantial amount) they aren’t going to go against what the community recommends.

On the other hand Air Choice One was a fair bit cheaper at CGI than OO so it wouldn’t shock me if they told them that OO isn’t happening and pick someone else.


If DOT looks beyond the airport recommendation, the community vote was 300 vote difference \.

Multiple business's in Southern Illinois did not support Cape Air, they wanted SkyWest, 3 Business actually submitted documents via Community Comments on the Regulation Page to support Chicago.

SkyWest and Cape Air, the difference was minimal in terms of subsidiary, but per passenger, SkyWest wanted $118 per passenger versus $200 for Cape Air, and Cape Air needs subsidiary increase for the 4 year contract to offer BNA and STL.

Not to mention, look at DEC, DOT went against the recommendation!

Hey, I am just dreaming :)

I agree Air Choice One was significantly cheaper, however speaking to the folks down here, CGI didn't even listen to the other airlines, they feel the only way to improve boarding to reach 10,000 folks,was through SkyWest to Chicago.

If the schedule is approved, they will lose the 3 daily, and only go to 2 non stop flights, without routing them through Paducah.

Glad I flew CGI-PAH when I did! Was kind of cool! :)

This is always fascinating and I love to see the community involvement!

We should hear by the end of next week!

Alex



The reason they went against DEC recommendation was because Skywest's overall subsidy was too a lot higher than Cape Air. Which isn't the case with the contract MWA picked vs competitors.

Good on you for holding out hope though but I think the chances are slim they change.

Also nice to hear a government entity had a bidding process at CGI and didn't even listen to all the bids except one. Great way to get the best deal for the community. haha.



Speaking of DEC they voted for Skywest again. We will see if it happens for them this time or not.

https://www.wandtv.com/news/decatur-par ... 82110.html

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:23 pm
by PhilMcCrackin
stl07 wrote:
Love love love the Boeing/md influence of the new xfl football logo


I assume you mean the STL team logo? I'm not seeing it.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:18 pm
by stl07
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Love love love the Boeing/md influence of the new xfl football logo


I assume you mean the STL team logo? I'm not seeing it.

Every team was based on something in their city

Watch the intro video, I think it will make more sense then
https://fox2now.com/2019/08/21/xfl-reve ... ouis-team/

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:38 pm
by TWA302
stl07 wrote:
Love love love the Boeing/md influence of the new xfl football logo

BattleHawks? Come on. HORRIBLE. League will be dead in 2 years. 41 days until opening night and we raise that banner! Back to aviation. :stirthepot:

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:13 pm
by dcaproducer
The news coming out this week regarding Boeing is potentially positive for Max operators. If WN gains back their grounded fleet, plus whatever is sitting waiting for delivery they will suddenly need places to fly those aircraft. Any thoughts on quick adds at STL? Could this also be why the airport things more D gates will reopen sooner than later?

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:44 pm
by Jshank83
dcaproducer wrote:
The news coming out this week regarding Boeing is potentially positive for Max operators. If WN gains back their grounded fleet, plus whatever is sitting waiting for delivery they will suddenly need places to fly those aircraft. Any thoughts on quick adds at STL? Could this also be why the airport things more D gates will reopen sooner than later?


I still don't think November/December have been taken out of the schedule. MAXs still show up. I had a flight in December that was zeroed out and now is back for sale so it makes me think they aren't going to pull flights for Nov/Dec anymore and it will be back by then. Might be optimistic but we will see. I didn't look at the January/Feb release to see if MAXs were in it or not. Not sure if they held back capacity or not. If so then probably more Florida flights. Maybe some of the longer haul Saturday flights will come back on the schedule.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:04 am
by PhilMcCrackin
They're not going to add routes just to add routes. A airplane sitting on the ground is more profitable than one that's up in the air losing money.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:08 am
by jplatts
Jshank83 wrote:
I still don't think November/December have been taken out of the schedule. MAXs still show up. I had a flight in December that was zeroed out and now is back for sale so it makes me think they aren't going to pull flights for Nov/Dec anymore and it will be back by then. Might be optimistic but we will see. I didn't look at the January/Feb release to see if MAXs were in it or not. Not sure if they held back capacity or not. If so then probably more Florida flights. Maybe some of the longer haul Saturday flights will come back on the schedule.


WN said in its January 2020 Base Summary that the MAX's will be removed from the WN flight schedule by September 12th.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:12 am
by Midwestindy
Jshank83 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
The news coming out this week regarding Boeing is potentially positive for Max operators. If WN gains back their grounded fleet, plus whatever is sitting waiting for delivery they will suddenly need places to fly those aircraft. Any thoughts on quick adds at STL? Could this also be why the airport things more D gates will reopen sooner than later?


I still don't think November/December have been taken out of the schedule. MAXs still show up. I had a flight in December that was zeroed out and now is back for sale so it makes me think they aren't going to pull flights for Nov/Dec anymore and it will be back by then. Might be optimistic but we will see. I didn't look at the January/Feb release to see if MAXs were in it or not. Not sure if they held back capacity or not. If so then probably more Florida flights. Maybe some of the longer haul Saturday flights will come back on the schedule.


Nov was updated today(late last night) with the removal of the MAXs, Dec should come in the following weeks. Jan/Feb still have MAXs in place.

Easiest way to tell the difference in schedules for November is checking Google flights vs. WN website, as Google flights takes a few days to update after WN edits its schedule. (Ex. Nov 15th Google flights shows 6x on STL-DAL, while WN's website shows 7x daily)

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:18 am
by dcaproducer
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
They're not going to add routes just to add routes. A airplane sitting on the ground is more profitable than one that's up in the air losing money.


They will definitely add capacity and add routes they were looking at prior to the Max grounding. This is what I’m referring to.
WN won’t let planes sit when they can fill them.

Multiple news reports that the planes are expected to fly in Q4 and Boeing is eyeing record production levels in early 2020. That sure sounds like Boeing and the FAA have a timeline to get the planes into the sky.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3494120-b ... ource=cnbc

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:37 am
by PhilMcCrackin
dcaproducer wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
They're not going to add routes just to add routes. A airplane sitting on the ground is more profitable than one that's up in the air losing money.


They will definitely add capacity and add routes they were looking at prior to the Max grounding. This is what I’m referring to.
WN won’t let planes sit when they can fill them.

Multiple news reports that the planes are expected to fly in Q4 and Boeing is eyeing record production levels in early 2020. That sure sounds like Boeing and the FAA have a timeline to get the planes into the sky.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3494120-b ... ource=cnbc


They actually just cancelled a bunch of routes.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:17 pm
by dcaproducer
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
They're not going to add routes just to add routes. A airplane sitting on the ground is more profitable than one that's up in the air losing money.


They will definitely add capacity and add routes they were looking at prior to the Max grounding. This is what I’m referring to.
WN won’t let planes sit when they can fill them.

Multiple news reports that the planes are expected to fly in Q4 and Boeing is eyeing record production levels in early 2020. That sure sounds like Boeing and the FAA have a timeline to get the planes into the sky.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3494120-b ... ource=cnbc


They actually just cancelled a bunch of routes.


Which routes from STL did they cancel? (other than EWR, which they are leaving all together)
Your source? And are you referring to their schedule extension where they made routine adjustments to their schedules?

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:23 am
by Jshank83
Load factors for May.

Over 90% combined both ways

G4 BLV-PIE
UA DEN
WN TPA
WN SEA
WN SFO
WN SAN
WN MCO
WN OAK
WN BDL
WN BOS
WN AUS
F9 MCO
F9 LAS
F9 DEN
DL SLC
AA MIA


Over 95%

WN SJC
WN SMF
WN PDX

Under 70%

DL CVG 68%
WN MSP 66%


Full Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:24 pm
by PhilMcCrackin
TWA302 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Love love love the Boeing/md influence of the new xfl football logo

BattleHawks? Come on. HORRIBLE. League will be dead in 2 years. 41 days until opening night and we raise that banner! Back to aviation. :stirthepot:


It's also a registered trademark of Sikorsky, which has no STL ties, so I'm curious if the XFL did their due dilligence.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:05 pm
by stl07
There is a 787 at c24

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:17 pm
by stl07
From... Dublin

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:24 pm
by stl07
No c26


I have pics if anyone really wants them (they are bad though)

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:27 pm
by stl07
Just read it was a diversion from Dallas, nothing special

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:43 pm
by maps4ltd
stl07 wrote:
No c26


I have pics if anyone really wants them (they are bad though)


Just saw it on FR24. I was about to ask, 'cause I figured no one had noticed yet.

If you could message me the pics that'd be nice. I'm not sure why they used a gate instead of parking at the Southwest cargo area like that AA 777 PHX-LHR divert did a few weeks back.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:33 am
by Jshank83
stl07 wrote:
No c26


I have pics if anyone really wants them (they are bad though)


I'd love to see them. I flew in at 4 pm so I just missed it.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:42 am
by atrude777
Marion and Cape Girardeau submitted their proposal request for EAS to DOT.

Marion, Illinois--MWA

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -7881-0090

Asked for Option 3, 4 flights to STL and 2 to BNA. With the stipulation the new planes must be in service by the 2nd year. If this is selected, STL will lose 2 flights. I feel this is a VERY risky move, most other contracts are 2 years, but MWA went for 4 years with elevated increase in cost, and is now stuck with STL/BNA if BNA doesn't work out. Least with Chicago, it was a 2 year proposal. Only a 300 vote difference between SkyWest and Cape Air, very very close vote!

Cape Girardeau, Missouri-CGI

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0096

Asked for SkyWest, this time it will go to two daily non stop to ORD, which is an increase for CGI, as they originally only had 1 non stop, and the rest were through flights. The through flights will end with Paducah with the new agreement.

Alex

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:32 am
by stl07
Ill get the pics up sometime this week I'm really busy

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:32 am
by stl07
If I forget by Friday remind me

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:55 am
by Jshank83
STL/BLV Frequency spreadsheet for September

New route SY to LAS

Flight YoY Increase (percentage)

WN 786 +29 (+3.8%)
AA 272 +7 (+2.6)
DL 199 Flat
UA 190 +1
F9 31 Flat
AC 28 +9 (+47%)
AS 20 +1 (+5.3%)
G4 12 Flat
SY 6

STL 1697 +29 (+1.7%)
_____________

YoY seat difference on Monday (carries for most mon-fri)

AA +17%
DL +1.38%
UA -11.53%

full link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:59 am
by stl07
So much for the "AA is gutting STL" hysteria spread by max prosperi and others in the STL aviation scene

(nothing against them btw, I, in fact, enjoy them but they were way off the mark with this one)

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:01 am
by PhilMcCrackin
Gutting STL? What's left to gut?

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:09 am
by Jshank83
stl07 wrote:
So much for the "AA is gutting STL" hysteria spread by max prosperi and others in the STL aviation scene

(nothing against them btw, I, in fact, enjoy them but they were way off the mark with this one)


That AA big jump is kind of out of nowhere (although the UA drop was also) switching from MD80s to bigger mainlines helps. But more mainline and bigger RJs is as well.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:07 pm
by FLYSPI
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Gutting STL? What's left to gut?


Exactly! I asked the same thing. AA at STL is nothing but a shell of what it was in the mid 2000s (after the Operated by TWA Airlines INC, AA paint TWA titles years, never mind the pre AA TWA days ) because from about 2004-2008ish? AA did nothing but "gut" STL to what it is now. It would take a lot of build up before we can say AA is capable of "gutting" STL again.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:37 pm
by PhilMcCrackin
FLYSPI wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Gutting STL? What's left to gut?


Exactly! I asked the same thing. AA at STL is nothing but a shell of what it was in the mid 2000s (after the Operated by TWA Airlines INC, AA paint TWA titles years, never mind the pre AA TWA days ) because from about 2004-2008ish? AA did nothing but "gut" STL to what it is now. It would take a lot of build up before we can say AA is capable of "gutting" STL again.


It's sort of funny, you can tell who hasn't been around a while by the comments they make.

"ZOMG, AA is cutting two flights, they're gutting STL!!!!!!11!!!!!!"

No, gutting is what happened at the end of 2003 when you were still in diapers when AA killed half of STL's flights overnight.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:19 pm
by TWA302
stl07 wrote:
So much for the "AA is gutting STL" hysteria spread by max prosperi and others in the STL aviation scene

(nothing against them btw, I, in fact, enjoy them but they were way off the mark with this one)


That dude wears me out. Does nothing but gripe and doom and gloom.

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:26 pm
by FLYSPI
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
FLYSPI wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Gutting STL? What's left to gut?


Exactly! I asked the same thing. AA at STL is nothing but a shell of what it was in the mid 2000s (after the Operated by TWA Airlines INC, AA paint TWA titles years, never mind the pre AA TWA days ) because from about 2004-2008ish? AA did nothing but "gut" STL to what it is now. It would take a lot of build up before we can say AA is capable of "gutting" STL again.


It's sort of funny, you can tell who hasn't been around a while by the comments they make.

"ZOMG, AA is cutting two flights, they're gutting STL!!!!!!11!!!!!!"

No, gutting is what happened at the end of 2003 when you were still in diapers when AA killed half of STL's flights overnight.


I can remember walking through both the C or D concourses and diverting around crowds in the mid-late 90s. It was bustling from the D1-to the east concourse, and all the way down to the end of C. Using the people mover/loader across the alley from C to D...

I know the industry has changed, and I'm probably just that old guy shaking his fist "back in my day" but it was a site!

The A concourse was full of different types and colors, NW ARJs, Com Air Saabs, AA Fokkers, and 727s, just to name a few..