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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:10 am

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Put this together last night.


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Great work. Interesting to see BOS with no competition. Most of the other major markets all have more than one carrier. I think it’s a prime route for a DL A220.

What else could AS possibly add? I still think a seasonable Anchorage flight a couple of times a week would be cool.

Thoughts on what else Allegiant could add at BLV?


For personal reasons I would like to see G4 add Sarasota. Maybe Savannah. Besides that not sure. They have most the leisure routes covered. Not sure they want to run a more conventional route like LAX or mid/upper east coast from BLV.

An Alaska worker I know says they heard AS to SFO is coming but so far it hasn’t happened, who really know on that. Really that PDX/LAX are the only things I really see as options for them.

I think BOS on DL seems logical but the airport director said it it more likely on SY.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:52 am

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I think BOS on DL seems logical but the airport director said it it more likely on SY.


I agree that DL adding STL-BOS nonstop service seems logical as DL has a hub and a significant FF base on the BOS end to support STL-BOS nonstop service. DL also would be able to offer connections to some European destinations from STL through BOS if DL adds STL-BOS nonstop service.

DL also already serves BOS nonstop from some domestic destinations that aren't currently served by B6 such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Good news: Owensboro Airport recommends to keep Cape Air as their EAS provider. They want to keep STL and add BNA also. DOT has to approve still.

https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news ... c02b7.html
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:02 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Put this together last night.


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What are your thoughts on Delta starting STL-BOS some day?


Can we block this guy or what... :spin:
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:16 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Good news: Owensboro Airport recommends to keep Cape Air as their EAS provider. They want to keep STL and add BNA also. DOT has to approve still.

https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news ... c02b7.html

So we loose one flight a day right?
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:18 pm

stl07 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Good news: Owensboro Airport recommends to keep Cape Air as their EAS provider. They want to keep STL and add BNA also. DOT has to approve still.

https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news ... c02b7.html

So we loose one flight a day right?


That would be my guess. Unless they do 2 to BNA and 1 to STL but I would guess it is just moving one from STL to BNA.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:00 pm

Looking through BLV numbers for the first time in awhile.

1st qtr of the year passengers were down 9.8%

Jan -19%
Feb -14%
March was flat.

Summer is up a couple flights but I am curious to see where the 20% jump this year they are projecting is coming from.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:57 pm

Yet they want to expand and are solely dependent on one airline......
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:36 pm

Are the load factors down at BLV or seats?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:43 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Are the load factors down at BLV or seats?


Jan was down 4 flights a week (I think that was around 25%)

Feb down 1 flight

March was up 1 flight.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:09 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
Are the load factors down at BLV or seats?


Jan was down 4 flights a week (I think that was around 25%)

Feb down 1 flight

March was up 1 flight.


Got it. So the LF isn't really down, just seats/service levels. When the numbers aren't huge, like at BLV, even small changes make dramatic swings in passenger totals.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:21 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
Are the load factors down at BLV or seats?


Jan was down 4 flights a week (I think that was around 25%)

Feb down 1 flight

March was up 1 flight.


Got it. So the LF isn't really down, just seats/service levels. When the numbers aren't huge, like at BLV, even small changes make dramatic swings in passenger totals.


Yea, I looked thru LFs and most were good. Not sure why the Feb number is down so much. But I only take a one week snapshot each month not the entire month so maybe flight differences other weeks differed more. Vegas is getting cut mid august (SY was quick to jump on it for a few months). Don't totally get that one. Not sure if it will be back next spring or not. But I would guess not.

Also flight wise
April was flat
May I didn't do for last year so I can't compare
June is up 2 flights
July is up 1 flight.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:01 pm

Next up on the EAS proposals. Marion, IL (MWA)

Cape Air (current holder), Skywest, Air Choice One, Boutique Air, and Southern Airways all have applied.

You can view all the proposals here (skywest and boutique has theirs for Quincy/Marion/Cape G).

And even vote on them for MWA!

https://www.veteransairport.com/survey_ ... ne2019.php
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:24 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Next up on the EAS proposals. Marion, IL (MWA)

Cape Air (current holder), Skywest, Air Choice One, Boutique Air, and Southern Airways all have applied.

You can view all the proposals here (skywest and boutique has theirs for Quincy/Marion/Cape G).

And even vote on them for MWA!

https://www.veteransairport.com/survey_ ... ne2019.php


*HYPERVENTILATES*

I voted for SkyWest for MWA!

Ya'll I was born and raised in Carbondale, 15 min from MWA. I remember flying out of MWA on TWA to STL, or Charter flights MWA-ORD on the TWA 727's.

We have never had scheduled non stop flights to Chicago, it would be a dream!

Cape Air offers a great proposal too..I am curious to see the subsidary is less? SkyWest wants $118 per passenger for MWA-ORD versus $200 for Cape Air?

Yet the overall subsidiary, makes SkyWest a bit more expensive?

Sure hope SkyWest wins!

Alex
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:40 am

^^The feds said the "per passenger" thing wouldn't fly, as cape air could come in with an a380 and say their per passenger rate was less. The overall for SkyWest isn't much more, so we'll see what the feds have to say on this one
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:51 am

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^^The feds said the "per passenger" thing wouldn't fly, as cape air could come in with an a380 and say their per passenger rate was less. The overall for SkyWest isn't much more, so we'll see what the feds have to say on this one


That's fair! Both UIN and CGI in 2017 were higher then Cape Air, and both cities and the DOT selected SkyWest!

Hell...if Cape Air voted to fly in an Airbus A380 I would vote for them too! :P

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:46 am

atrude777 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
^^The feds said the "per passenger" thing wouldn't fly, as cape air could come in with an a380 and say their per passenger rate was less. The overall for SkyWest isn't much more, so we'll see what the feds have to say on this one


That's fair! Both UIN and CGI in 2017 were higher then Cape Air, and both cities and the DOT selected SkyWest!

Hell...if Cape Air voted to fly in an Airbus A380 I would vote for them too! :P

Alex


I think if the city picks Skywest it will get approved. Decatur is the only one that picked Skywest and DOT said no so far. I think they had a bigger gap in price.

I am really curious to see what happens with Quincy cause cape is way below Skywest. Over a million difference if you take the STL only route. Even the split STL/ORD is 500k cheaper. I’m not sure DOT would approve Skywest if they pick it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:51 am

atrude777 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
^^The feds said the "per passenger" thing wouldn't fly, as cape air could come in with an a380 and say their per passenger rate was less. The overall for SkyWest isn't much more, so we'll see what the feds have to say on this one


That's fair! Both UIN and CGI in 2017 were higher then Cape Air, and both cities and the DOT selected SkyWest!

Hell...if Cape Air voted to fly in an Airbus A380 I would vote for them too! :P

Alex

I'm pretty excited for what gets picked, because no matter what happens, all of the options are a huge upgrade from today. Even cape suggested Nashville and brand new airplanes.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:51 am

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
^^The feds said the "per passenger" thing wouldn't fly, as cape air could come in with an a380 and say their per passenger rate was less. The overall for SkyWest isn't much more, so we'll see what the feds have to say on this one


That's fair! Both UIN and CGI in 2017 were higher then Cape Air, and both cities and the DOT selected SkyWest!

Hell...if Cape Air voted to fly in an Airbus A380 I would vote for them too! :P

Alex


I think if the city picks Skywest it will get approved. Decatur is the only one that picked Skywest and DOT said no so far. I think they had a bigger gap in price.

I am really curious to see what happens with Quincy cause cape is way below Skywest. Over a million difference if you take the STL only route. Even the split STL/ORD is 500k cheaper. I’m not sure DOT would approve Skywest if they pick it.

The locals want cape back for some reason
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:30 pm

AA ORD-STL OCT 6>5[7]
AA has reached a new low on this route with just 5 daily frequencies. UA and WN both have 8.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:41 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
AA ORD-STL OCT 6>5[7]
AA has reached a new low on this route with just 5 daily frequencies. UA and WN both have 8.


To be fair UA runs a bunch of RJs on it and AA runs mostly mainline. This reduction to 5 is probably MAX related. I’m guessing it will go back up once they are in service.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:18 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
AA ORD-STL OCT 6>5[7]
AA has reached a new low on this route with just 5 daily frequencies. UA and WN both have 8.


To be fair UA runs a bunch of RJs on it and AA runs mostly mainline. This reduction to 5 is probably MAX related. I’m guessing it will go back up once they are in service.


WN also has some connecting feed on its STL-MDW nonstops from destinations that don't have nonstop service to MDW such as DSM, LIT, TUL, and ICT.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:54 am

I am not one to say one big business makes enough demand for a TATL flight but I just want to make note. With the governor involved I would hope it actually will be a big expansion. Bayer already moved their NA headquarters to STL from North Carolina. They closed their PIT office. It can do nothing but help the chances if they are centralizing and growing the office here. There are already a fair amount of German companies (some pretty large) in STL. I always thought it was weird how much the airport keeps mentioning LH in meetings because on its face it doesn't make much sense for STL. But maybe this gets Bayer to put in some incentive money or something. I am also not sure they have the right equipment for it. But we will see.

"Missouri governor says ag company planning 'significant' expansion in St. Louis"

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... a73a5.html
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:13 am

^^their 787s don't come in till like 2023 so I'm confused on what the airport is saying as well. I feel like Bayer, sigma, ect would throw money at condor instead as their subsidy requirements are much lower and the plane is a good size (767) Compared to 330 and 350 at Lufthansa right now.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:17 am

Jshank83 wrote:
I am not one to say one big business makes enough demand for a TATL flight but I just want to make note. With the governor involved I would hope it actually will be a big expansion. Bayer already moved their NA headquarters to STL from North Carolina. They closed their PIT office. It can do nothing but help the chances if they are centralizing and growing the office here. There are already a fair amount of German companies (some pretty large) in STL. I always thought it was weird how much the airport keeps mentioning LH in meetings because on its face it doesn't make much sense for STL. But maybe this gets Bayer to put in some incentive money or something. I am also not sure they have the right equipment for it. But we will see.

"Missouri governor says ag company planning 'significant' expansion in St. Louis"

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... a73a5.html

The governor came in for phizer moving their office from St. Charles to Chesterfield and opening up a nicer building so it doesn't take much to get him here. Even still, just for a new job announcement it's got to be big. I like your thinking
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:19 am

International LF for Jan 2019

Total combined both ways

Air Canada 62.5%
Frontier Cancun 75%
Frontier Punta Cana 75%
Southwest Cancun 74%
Volaris/Apple HUX 57%
Volaris/Apple Cabo 55%
WOW 65% (85% inbound)
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:21 am

stl07 wrote:
^^their 787s don't come in till like 2023 so I'm confused on what the airport is saying as well. I feel like Bayer, sigma, ect would throw money at condor instead as their subsidy requirements are much lower and the plane is a good size (767) Compared to 330 and 350 at Lufthansa right now.


Yeah I really don't get the LH over Condor talk. Condor almost always comes in first. The only thing I can think of is someone is seriously throwing in some money and wants premium seating. But even that seems like a long shot. But maybe they will surprise us.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:01 am

But Condor has a nice buisness class. I doubt Bayer would need F. But who knows, this is why I'm not an airport director.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:59 pm

I work at a global tech company in STL and have numerous employs that are based in the UK and travel here often. We also have, on a weekly basis large groups of international customers visiting. I know many of them that would pay an arm and a leg NOT to connect via another airport prior to STL. I know it is a drop in the bucket but hopefully, sooner or later this will become a reality AND sustainable for the city and airline(s).

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