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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:34 pm

Guess whose back? Quincy's back.

Looks like we have a good chance to get Quincy flights back.

Hours ahead of Quincy Aeronautics Committee meeting slated for noon Wednesday, Quincy Mayor Kyle Moore and Quincy Regional Airport Director Sandra Shore announced they would be recommending the committee select Cape Air to be the new essential air service provider for the local airport.

https://wgem.com/2019/07/31/mayor-to-re ... in-quincy/

Hopefully other airports take note that skywest (jet service) isn't always the best choice.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:49 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Guess whose back? Quincy's back.

Looks like we have a good chance to get Quincy flights back.

Hours ahead of Quincy Aeronautics Committee meeting slated for noon Wednesday, Quincy Mayor Kyle Moore and Quincy Regional Airport Director Sandra Shore announced they would be recommending the committee select Cape Air to be the new essential air service provider for the local airport.

https://wgem.com/2019/07/31/mayor-to-re ... in-quincy/

Hopefully other airports take note that skywest (jet service) isn't always the best choice.



And those new aircraft are pretty sweet. I had never even heard of the new type until a tweet showed this link. MOCHA HAGoTDI.
https://www.tecnam.com/slider-home-en/cape-air-visits-tecnam-for-acceptance-of-first-two-p2012-traveller-aircraft/
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 pm

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And those new aircraft are pretty sweet. I had never even heard of the new type until a tweet showed this link. MOCHA HAGoTDI.
https://www.tecnam.com/slider-home-en/cape-air-visits-tecnam-for-acceptance-of-first-two-p2012-traveller-aircraft/


Not a knock so please don't take it that way, but I am a little surprised at your reaction as the type has been mentioned in a couple threads. But agreed, if this aircraft performs as well as hoped, it could be a game changer. I am a very optimistic fan of the 2012, but we shall see.

Best of luck!
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:33 am

Cape Air officially recommended for Quincy. I can’t see any reason DOT doesn’t approve them seeing they are the cheapest option.

Will be nice to have them back on the STL route map.

https://khqa.com/news/local/quincy-aero ... t-services
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:27 pm

PC12Fan wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
And those new aircraft are pretty sweet. I had never even heard of the new type until a tweet showed this link. MOCHA HAGoTDI.
https://www.tecnam.com/slider-home-en/cape-air-visits-tecnam-for-acceptance-of-first-two-p2012-traveller-aircraft/


Not a knock so please don't take it that way, but I am a little surprised at your reaction as the type has been mentioned in a couple threads. But agreed, if this aircraft performs as well as hoped, it could be a game changer. I am a very optimistic fan of the 2012, but we shall see.

Best of luck!


LOL. I stick to this thread and RARELY go to the main board. Too much chest-beating and armchairing so, no I never saw any of those. :-)
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:42 pm

I put very little stock in this quote but I am going to pass it along anyway.

For the first time, business leaders in China’s commercial centers like Xi’an, Mianyang, and Kunming will have convenient access to points across the USA, and the same for Americans headed to China. Chinese carriers will have sufficient connecting passengers at their new Beijing hubs to support new nonstops to points such as St. Louis, Orlando, and Miami.

https://www.eturbonews.com/259500/us-ch ... ive-years/
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:24 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
I put very little stock in this quote but I am going to pass it along anyway.

For the first time, business leaders in China’s commercial centers like Xi’an, Mianyang, and Kunming will have convenient access to points across the USA, and the same for Americans headed to China. Chinese carriers will have sufficient connecting passengers at their new Beijing hubs to support new nonstops to points such as St. Louis, Orlando, and Miami.

https://www.eturbonews.com/259500/us-ch ... ive-years/


Wonder if St. Louis was named as a "random" midwest destination or if 1) there's Chinese demand to fill a plane and 2) cargo to fill the belly of a passenger plane. There could be potential if they used Bejing as a connecting point for business travelers, allowing St. Louis area travelers to connect in China to Asian destinations. I'm sure there are some who would use it versus connecting domestically.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:36 am

There's likely enough behind the scenes business interest to attract a flight - especially since Beijing's well within 787 range. Probably would do better than TWA's proposed Tokyo route would have in any case.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:47 am

If STL can't attract a flight to somewhere like London, I'm not convinced there's a case for Beijing.

I mean, shit, AA couldn't make Beijing work out of ORD.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:23 am

I do find it interesting Boyd group international put out the same article word for word today. I never put much stock in what they say but some people on here think he knows all. So if you are in the Boyd knows all camp then maybe I move it up from 1% chance to 5%.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:58 pm

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Cape Air officially recommended for Quincy. I can’t see any reason DOT doesn’t approve them seeing they are the cheapest option.

Will be nice to have them back on the STL route map.

https://khqa.com/news/local/quincy-aero ... t-services


Doesn't bode well for MWA, or rather..the folks in MWA (like me!) who voted for United/SkyWest.

Cape Air did not bid for CGI, so it should default to UA/OO, PAH is awaiting their bids (Jan 2020 I believe?).

The voting is still going on until August 6th, and then MWA will submit their recommendation. What I am seeing locally is business's want Chicago, and the general public want Cape Air to STL and BNA.

Let's see whom the community wants in the end next week.

If Cape Air had offered STL and ORD to MWA, it would have been a slam dunk, even I would have voted for Cape Air because of them offering Chicago, however, they aren't.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:57 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Cape Air officially recommended for Quincy. I can’t see any reason DOT doesn’t approve them seeing they are the cheapest option.

Will be nice to have them back on the STL route map.

https://khqa.com/news/local/quincy-aero ... t-services


Doesn't bode well for MWA, or rather..the folks in MWA (like me!) who voted for United/SkyWest.

Cape Air did not bid for CGI, so it should default to UA/OO, PAH is awaiting their bids (Jan 2020 I believe?).

The voting is still going on until August 6th, and then MWA will submit their recommendation. What I am seeing locally is business's want Chicago, and the general public want Cape Air to STL and BNA.

Let's see whom the community wants in the end next week.

If Cape Air had offered STL and ORD to MWA, it would have been a slam dunk, even I would have voted for Cape Air because of them offering Chicago, however, they aren't.

Alex



STL/BNA makes zero sense IMHO. I get the need for ORD, but you are correct, STL/ORD on 9K would be a done deal. They have the planes to make it work! Does anyone know how fast these new P2012's are going to come into the fleet? I
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:57 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Cape Air officially recommended for Quincy. I can’t see any reason DOT doesn’t approve them seeing they are the cheapest option.

Will be nice to have them back on the STL route map.

https://khqa.com/news/local/quincy-aero ... t-services


Doesn't bode well for MWA, or rather..the folks in MWA (like me!) who voted for United/SkyWest.

Cape Air did not bid for CGI, so it should default to UA/OO, PAH is awaiting their bids (Jan 2020 I believe?).

The voting is still going on until August 6th, and then MWA will submit their recommendation. What I am seeing locally is business's want Chicago, and the general public want Cape Air to STL and BNA.

Let's see whom the community wants in the end next week.

If Cape Air had offered STL and ORD to MWA, it would have been a slam dunk, even I would have voted for Cape Air because of them offering Chicago, however, they aren't.

Alex


Are you sure Cape Air didn't bid CGI? That would shock me.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:46 pm

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Are you sure Cape Air didn't bid CGI? That would shock me.


I am sure...

I attached a website link that shows the airlines that bid for CGI, it was only SkyWest, Boutique, and Air Choice One.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0095

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:48 pm

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STL/BNA makes zero sense IMHO. I get the need for ORD, but you are correct, STL/ORD on 9K would be a done deal. They have the planes to make it work! Does anyone know how fast these new P2012's are going to come into the fleet? I


Absolutely, I see no reason for BNA. If we are going to keep Cape Air in MWA, I think it needs to be six daily to STL. Either have frequency to STL, or Jet Service to Chicago.

Why split your frequency between STL and BNA, and make it harder to get to/from Southern Illinois?

It could go either way, SkyWest to Chicago, which I would like but would shock me if selected, because of how good Cape Air has provided service to Marion.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:10 pm

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TWA302 wrote:

STL/BNA makes zero sense IMHO. I get the need for ORD, but you are correct, STL/ORD on 9K would be a done deal. They have the planes to make it work! Does anyone know how fast these new P2012's are going to come into the fleet? I


Absolutely, I see no reason for BNA. If we are going to keep Cape Air in MWA, I think it needs to be six daily to STL. Either have frequency to STL, or Jet Service to Chicago.

Why split your frequency between STL and BNA, and make it harder to get to/from Southern Illinois?

It could go either way, SkyWest to Chicago, which I would like but would shock me if selected, because of how good Cape Air has provided service to Marion.

Alex


How has service reliability been with OO at MWA? I know UIN has had some issues with it during their relationship (from reading the news).
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:25 pm

TWA302 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:

STL/BNA makes zero sense IMHO. I get the need for ORD, but you are correct, STL/ORD on 9K would be a done deal. They have the planes to make it work! Does anyone know how fast these new P2012's are going to come into the fleet? I


Absolutely, I see no reason for BNA. If we are going to keep Cape Air in MWA, I think it needs to be six daily to STL. Either have frequency to STL, or Jet Service to Chicago.

Why split your frequency between STL and BNA, and make it harder to get to/from Southern Illinois?

It could go either way, SkyWest to Chicago, which I would like but would shock me if selected, because of how good Cape Air has provided service to Marion.

Alex


How has service reliability been with OO at MWA? I know UIN has had some issues with it during their relationship (from reading the news).


Do you mean Cape Air in MWA, or OO in CGI/PAH?

MWA has never had OO service to Chicago or period.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:29 pm

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TWA302 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

Absolutely, I see no reason for BNA. If we are going to keep Cape Air in MWA, I think it needs to be six daily to STL. Either have frequency to STL, or Jet Service to Chicago.

Why split your frequency between STL and BNA, and make it harder to get to/from Southern Illinois?

It could go either way, SkyWest to Chicago, which I would like but would shock me if selected, because of how good Cape Air has provided service to Marion.

Alex


How has service reliability been with OO at MWA? I know UIN has had some issues with it during their relationship (from reading the news).


Do you mean Cape Air in MWA, or OO in CGI/PAH?

MWA has never had OO service to Chicago or period.

Alex


Sorry OO in Cape.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:52 pm

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Sorry OO in Cape.


No Worries!

I know it has gone downhill compared to Cape Air, simply because it's Chicago-ORD.

CGI and PAH feed off each other so it's going to be somewhat evened out together.

The delays has been horrible due to the Summer Storms in Chicago, pop up storms almost every day will delay the afternoon flight which affects the evening flight too.

SkyWest's reliability when it's not weather has been close to 97% I believe...including weather makes it plummet down quite a bit.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:56 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:

Are you sure Cape Air didn't bid CGI? That would shock me.


I am sure...

I attached a website link that shows the airlines that bid for CGI, it was only SkyWest, Boutique, and Air Choice One.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0095

Alex


Wow that does surprise me. Do we know each of their proposals?
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:31 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Are you sure Cape Air didn't bid CGI? That would shock me.


I am sure...

I attached a website link that shows the airlines that bid for CGI, it was only SkyWest, Boutique, and Air Choice One.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0095

Alex


Wow that does surprise me. Do we know each of their proposals?


Boutique Air for CGI
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 2000-7881-

We have already seen SkyWest and I cannot find Air Choice One no matter how hard I search...

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:23 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

I am sure...

I attached a website link that shows the airlines that bid for CGI, it was only SkyWest, Boutique, and Air Choice One.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0095

Alex


Wow that does surprise me. Do we know each of their proposals?


Boutique Air for CGI
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 2000-7881-

We have already seen SkyWest and I cannot find Air Choice One no matter how hard I search...

Alex


Link doesn’t work?
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:49 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Wow that does surprise me. Do we know each of their proposals?


Boutique Air for CGI
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 2000-7881-

We have already seen SkyWest and I cannot find Air Choice One no matter how hard I search...

Alex


Link doesn’t work?


Oops! Sorry!

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -7881-0081

Try that?

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Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:31 am

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

I am sure...

I attached a website link that shows the airlines that bid for CGI, it was only SkyWest, Boutique, and Air Choice One.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0095

Alex


Wow that does surprise me. Do we know each of their proposals?


Boutique Air for CGI
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 2000-7881-

We have already seen SkyWest and I cannot find Air Choice One no matter how hard I search...

Alex


Found it

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1559-0092


Here are all of the proposals for CGI

Based on these numbers I am not sure they can get Skywest approved by DOT. Air Choice One is a lot lower.

Air Choice One

STL only
24RT per week
$2,055,386

STL/BNA
12RT each per week
$2,655,771

Boutique

ORD/STL
12 RT each per week
$2,979,765

ORD/BNA
12 RT each per week
$3,039,192

STL only
$2,588,330

BNA only
$2,707,185

ORD only
$3,771,200

Skywest

ORD only
$3,179,862



Issue with boutique.. So I am not sure Boutique is going to be an option for CGI.

Note on Selection by Multiple Communities
If Boutique Air is selected to provide service in both Quincy and Marion the annual subsidy can be reduced by $35,000 per community or $70,000 total. In order for Boutique Air to be selected in Cape Girardeau it must also be selected to serve at least one of the other two communities; this combination allows us to reduce our Cape Girardeau costs by $200,000, which has been done in the matrix above. Marion and Quincy, however, can be selected as stand alone contracts.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:57 am

What is this new nonsense of combining Stl and bna. As seen by winning bids, the most successful bids usually have a big city and a smaller city like ATL/BNA or STL/ORD like the bids have been for years.
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:30 pm

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What is this new nonsense of combining Stl and bna. As seen by winning bids, the most successful bids usually have a big city and a smaller city like ATL/BNA or STL/ORD like the bids have been for years.


I think they want to give the southern cities a 2nd option but Chicago is such a long haul it increases the price a bunch. Same is ATL. So that’s why Owensboro picked STL/BNA. Got a 2nd city but it didn’t push the subsidy super high. They said Chicago’s price was too high.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:27 pm

So obviously this isn't set in stone yet but we are only 2 months from October and currently DL has all mainline scheduled to ATL/MSP/DTW/SLC. CVGs CRJ200 flight is up gauged to a CRJ900. If that holds it would be great to see.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:30 pm

^^makes sense. STL only is no longer a competitive bid, but adding ord to the southern cities is probably too costly.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:18 pm

Lh is making a us announcement tomorrow :stirthepot:
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:54 pm

https://thesouthern.com/news/local/st-l ... -top-story

Update Regarding the MWA-Marion, Illinois EAS Proposal and Selection.

"MARION — Officials at Veterans Airport of Southern Illinois say the next choice in air service providers is one of the most significant decisions the airport is facing.

When U.S. Department of Transportation called for proposals for air service in Marion, they received proposals from five airlines to provide service to connect Marion to the national air transportation system, according to Doug Kimmel, director of Veterans Airport.

“Cape Air, while being successful here, is here because of the government subsidy provided by U.S. DOT. Their contract expires in November,” Kimmel said."

It was mentioned over 3,000 folks have voted on the website. Cape Air is taking the lead at 53% and SkyWest/United at 33%.

I figured Cape Air would be in the lead but not by that much. Will be curious what the e-mails and phone calls and supports are to DOT from the Local Business down there.

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Lh is making a us announcement tomorrow :stirthepot:

Two new routes to MUC - not happening.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:58 pm

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Lh is making a us announcement tomorrow :stirthepot:

Two new routes to MUC - not happening.

Hence the :stirthepot:

:D
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:51 pm

Ehh, my guess is SEA and IAH.

Houston seems like a given and SEA is a rapidly developing area.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:22 am

Good evening everyone, i have been following STL threads on this site since 2003 and finally decided to make a login.

I am a former G7 employee and am curious about United’s ground handling in STL. I have noticed serval positions open for United in STL recently, are they back in house now with ground handling?
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:59 pm

Stlfa1212 wrote:
Good evening everyone, i have been following STL threads on this site since 2003 and finally decided to make a login.

I am a former G7 employee and am curious about United’s ground handling in STL. I have noticed serval positions open for United in STL recently, are they back in house now with ground handling?


Customer Service (Above The Wing) has been United Mainline for quite a few years!

Ramp now I believe was or is ATS. I have also seen G2 around but for United specifically I believe they are ATS.

Welcome to the boards! Always happy to have more STL Folks!

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Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:13 am

August Frequency Spreadsheet

YoY change for STL
WN 792 +30 (3.9%)
AA 267 -5 (-1.8)
DL 203 +6 (3%)
UA 201 +8 (4.1%)
F9 31 Flat
AS 21 +2 (10.5%)
AC 21 +2 (10.5%)
SY 6

Total 1682 +25 (1.5%)

Seat numbers YoY change. These are only based on Monday flights. Some airlines added extra weekend flights so that offsets a bit.

AA +1.67%
DL -2.39%
UA +4.95%

Overall not bad considering WN has MAX reductions. I'll take 4% more flights from them.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:24 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I put very little stock in this quote but I am going to pass it along anyway.

For the first time, business leaders in China’s commercial centers like Xi’an, Mianyang, and Kunming will have convenient access to points across the USA, and the same for Americans headed to China. Chinese carriers will have sufficient connecting passengers at their new Beijing hubs to support new nonstops to points such as St. Louis, Orlando, and Miami.

https://www.eturbonews.com/259500/us-ch ... ive-years/


Wonder if St. Louis was named as a "random" midwest destination or if 1) there's Chinese demand to fill a plane and 2) cargo to fill the belly of a passenger plane. There could be potential if they used Bejing as a connecting point for business travelers, allowing St. Louis area travelers to connect in China to Asian destinations. I'm sure there are some who would use it versus connecting domestically.


I really don't see this happening, but it would eliminate a layover for me. Make a trip to Vietnam two hops instead of three. I have to suspect there are other folks going to assorted parts of Asia who would feel the same. Maybe China Eastern sees themselves becoming the BA of the east? Who knows.
TW AA MU JL KE DL UA LOF GJS SKW WN
STL JFK FRA GVA CDG IAD ORD PVG SGN NRT ICN ATL SFO HKG MDW LGA BNA
L1011 MD82 83 88 B737 738 741 744 762 772 773 777 A320 E175 C700
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:57 pm

symphonicpoet wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I put very little stock in this quote but I am going to pass it along anyway.

For the first time, business leaders in China’s commercial centers like Xi’an, Mianyang, and Kunming will have convenient access to points across the USA, and the same for Americans headed to China. Chinese carriers will have sufficient connecting passengers at their new Beijing hubs to support new nonstops to points such as St. Louis, Orlando, and Miami.

https://www.eturbonews.com/259500/us-ch ... ive-years/


Wonder if St. Louis was named as a "random" midwest destination or if 1) there's Chinese demand to fill a plane and 2) cargo to fill the belly of a passenger plane. There could be potential if they used Bejing as a connecting point for business travelers, allowing St. Louis area travelers to connect in China to Asian destinations. I'm sure there are some who would use it versus connecting domestically.


I really don't see this happening, but it would eliminate a layover for me. Make a trip to Vietnam two hops instead of three. I have to suspect there are other folks going to assorted parts of Asia who would feel the same. Maybe China Eastern sees themselves becoming the BA of the east? Who knows.


While most of NH's nonstop flights to the U.S. out of NRT are to UA hub markets, NH could add STL-NRT nonstop service as NH serves more Chinese cities nonstop from NRT than JL does. NH also has nonstop service out of NRT to India, Indonesia, Malaysia, The Phillippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Even though NRT is located in Japan and NH is a Japanese airline, NH might be able to make STL-NRT nonstop service work if there is enough demand for STL to Asia nonstop service as NH can offer 1-stop connections to many destinations in East Asia and Southeast Asia through NRT.

NH would also be able to tap into CA's FF base in China if NH adds STL-NRT nonstop service.

DL adding STL-SEA nonstop service is another possibility for easier access to Asia from STL as DL already has nonstop service out of SEA to some destinations in China, Japan, and South Korea.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:18 pm

Before AA cut Chicago to Beijing, they mentioned that one of the biggest market to fly Chicago to Beijing was passengers connecting via St. Louis. That was from "Tell me why" May of 2018.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:50 pm

Let's put the crack pipe down, no one is starting service to Beijing or Tokyo from STL.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:11 am

Curious what Gojet getting kicked to the curb by DL will mean for flights here if anything. More mainline? Or just other regionals? Does UA or AA pick up any of the excess capacity? Hopefully so and they can park those envoy 140s for good.

Also, word on the street is those new WN gates and D concourse opening up is coming sooner than later. Which isn’t all that surprising because Rhonda mentioned opening D for about the first time ever at the AV event and the airport is usually pretty tight lipped about updates until they are a done deal. Once the MAXs get back in the air, I’ll be curious what WN has in store for us.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:14 am

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Let's put the crack pipe down, no one is starting service to Beijing or Tokyo from STL.


Don’t be crushing our dreams! Everyone knows you get a flight to Asia before Europe... :spin:
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:43 pm

http://www.wsiltv.com/story/40885188/ve ... ir-carrier

"MARION (WSIL) -- The Williamson County Airport Authority voted unanimously to recommend that the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) award a new contract to Cape Air.

The group chose the airline's proposal to fly into both St. Louis and Nashville, Tennessee. The Cape Air proposal also includes the introduction of a new aircraft that will provide more cabin and luggage space- the Tecnam Traveler."

Marion-MWA has voted to keep Cape Air over SkyWest and add a Nashville Proposal as well.

If MWA chose the 4 year option MWA-STL/BNA...it's 3,093, 781 with Cape Air, versus SkyWest at 3,179,862.

Assuming DOT approves it (would be shocked if DOT goes the other direction), MWA will get Nashville service.

The only reason I see DOT going with SkyWest is CGI and PAH nearby have United service and would compliment it, but not holding my breath.

I am very disappointed, as this service especially Nashville does no good to me trying to fly home to Southern Illinois from Chicago. I have no reason to fly ORD-BNA-MWA and spend $70 bucks extra to fly BNA-MWA when I can spend the $70 bucks to fly home non stop via CGI and PAH or even Amtrak.

CGI will select SkyWest, waiting for confirmation to be released...

So Community Support is...

UIN-Cape Air to STL/ORD
OWB-Cape Air to STL/BNA
CGI-SkyWest to ORD
MWA-Cape Air to STL/BNA

PAH's contract is up January of 2019.

Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:10 pm

atrude777 wrote:
http://www.wsiltv.com/story/40885188/veterans-airport-board-recommends-next-air-carrier

"MARION (WSIL) -- The Williamson County Airport Authority voted unanimously to recommend that the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) award a new contract to Cape Air.

The group chose the airline's proposal to fly into both St. Louis and Nashville, Tennessee. The Cape Air proposal also includes the introduction of a new aircraft that will provide more cabin and luggage space- the Tecnam Traveler."

Marion-MWA has voted to keep Cape Air over SkyWest and add a Nashville Proposal as well.

If MWA chose the 4 year option MWA-STL/BNA...it's 3,093, 781 with Cape Air, versus SkyWest at 3,179,862.

Assuming DOT approves it (would be shocked if DOT goes the other direction), MWA will get Nashville service.

The only reason I see DOT going with SkyWest is CGI and PAH nearby have United service and would compliment it, but not holding my breath.

I am very disappointed, as this service especially Nashville does no good to me trying to fly home to Southern Illinois from Chicago. I have no reason to fly ORD-BNA-MWA and spend $70 bucks extra to fly BNA-MWA when I can spend the $70 bucks to fly home non stop via CGI and PAH or even Amtrak.

CGI will select SkyWest, waiting for confirmation to be released...

So Community Support is...

UIN-Cape Air to STL/ORD
OWB-Cape Air to STL/BNA
CGI-SkyWest to ORD
MWA-Cape Air to STL/BNA

PAH's contract is up January of 2019.

Alex


I am not convinced DOT approves SkyWest for CGI. Air Choice One subsidies are way lower.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:04 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Curious what Gojet getting kicked to the curb by DL will mean for flights here if anything. More mainline?


DL adding mainline to LGA from STL might happen since STL is one of the top domestic destinations traveled to from NYC that doesn't currently have mainline on any of the US3 carriers.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:45 pm

symphonicpoet wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I put very little stock in this quote but I am going to pass it along anyway.

For the first time, business leaders in China’s commercial centers like Xi’an, Mianyang, and Kunming will have convenient access to points across the USA, and the same for Americans headed to China. Chinese carriers will have sufficient connecting passengers at their new Beijing hubs to support new nonstops to points such as St. Louis, Orlando, and Miami.

https://www.eturbonews.com/259500/us-ch ... ive-years/


Wonder if St. Louis was named as a "random" midwest destination or if 1) there's Chinese demand to fill a plane and 2) cargo to fill the belly of a passenger plane. There could be potential if they used Bejing as a connecting point for business travelers, allowing St. Louis area travelers to connect in China to Asian destinations. I'm sure there are some who would use it versus connecting domestically.


I really don't see this happening, but it would eliminate a layover for me. Make a trip to Vietnam two hops instead of three. I have to suspect there are other folks going to assorted parts of Asia who would feel the same. Maybe China Eastern sees themselves becoming the BA of the east? Who knows.


This is what I hope for. Our daughter is from Viet Nam and the easier the better to get there but when VN gets to start west coast it'll be one stop!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:30 pm

LambertMan wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Lh is making a us announcement tomorrow :stirthepot:

Two new routes to MUC - not happening.

Well, ANC got a flight. The only city even less likely than STL/PIT/BNA/CLE (ect.)
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:54 pm

stl07 wrote:
LambertMan wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Lh is making a us announcement tomorrow :stirthepot:

Two new routes to MUC - not happening.

Well, ANC got a flight. The only city even less likely than STL/PIT/BNA/CLE (ect.)


It's a summer seasonal flight and Alaska gets a shed load of tourism in the summer time.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:40 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
stl07 wrote:
LambertMan wrote:
Two new routes to MUC - not happening.

Well, ANC got a flight. The only city even less likely than STL/PIT/BNA/CLE (ect.)


It's a summer seasonal flight and Alaska gets a shed load of tourism in the summer time.

And?
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:53 pm

atrude777 wrote:
http://www.wsiltv.com/story/40885188/veterans-airport-board-recommends-next-air-carrier

"MARION (WSIL) -- The Williamson County Airport Authority voted unanimously to recommend that the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) award a new contract to Cape Air.

The group chose the airline's proposal to fly into both St. Louis and Nashville, Tennessee. The Cape Air proposal also includes the introduction of a new aircraft that will provide more cabin and luggage space- the Tecnam Traveler."

Marion-MWA has voted to keep Cape Air over SkyWest and add a Nashville Proposal as well.

If MWA chose the 4 year option MWA-STL/BNA...it's 3,093, 781 with Cape Air, versus SkyWest at 3,179,862.

Assuming DOT approves it (would be shocked if DOT goes the other direction), MWA will get Nashville service.

The only reason I see DOT going with SkyWest is CGI and PAH nearby have United service and would compliment it, but not holding my breath.

I am very disappointed, as this service especially Nashville does no good to me trying to fly home to Southern Illinois from Chicago. I have no reason to fly ORD-BNA-MWA and spend $70 bucks extra to fly BNA-MWA when I can spend the $70 bucks to fly home non stop via CGI and PAH or even Amtrak.

CGI will select SkyWest, waiting for confirmation to be released...

So Community Support is...

UIN-Cape Air to STL/ORD
OWB-Cape Air to STL/BNA
CGI-SkyWest to ORD
MWA-Cape Air to STL/BNA

PAH's contract is up January of 2019.

Alex

Which begs the question, why did they even choose the BNA option? Wouldn't it have been better to keep the high frequency to STL for connectors?
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