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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:49 pm

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Anyone know the registration of the AI 747 that arrived at SJO with the Indian Vice President today?


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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:52 pm

Looks like GUA-ORD/JFK are being terminated by AV. Sad to see them go.
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:55 am

Is TAG Airlines seeking to join LATAM? Their booking engine redirects to latam.ttinteractive.com
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:50 am

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Looks like GUA-ORD/JFK are being terminated by AV. Sad to see them go.


So much for the focus city :shakehead:

Dieuwer wrote:
Is TAG Airlines seeking to join LATAM? Their booking engine redirects to latam.ttinteractive.com


No, it's just the Latin American page of their reservation system.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:17 am

UX MAD-PTY 5x weekly with 788 was due to start on February 26th, but it's not in service.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrE18y ... Odp6H6Owc-
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:02 pm

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UX MAD-PTY 5x weekly with 788 was due to start on February 26th, but it's not in service.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrE18y ... Odp6H6Owc-


It got postponed to June 3 several months ago: https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/31/air-europa-continues-to-grow-latin-american-market-nears-long-standing-competitor/
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:39 pm

CM to temporarily halt its B737-MAX9 flights.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:30 am

CM PTY-FLL goes on a daily basis from July.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:09 pm

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CM PTY-FLL goes on a daily basis from July.
It was about time now.
And most likely, FLL CM passengers might push now for PTY-FLL-PTY Friday and Sunday mornings.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:02 pm

What are the next likely candidates for a CM frequency upgrade?

Also will Cm delay Embraer retirements due to the max issue?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:37 pm

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What are the next likely candidates for a CM frequency upgrade?
Well, it's about time BZE gets its 3rd frequency. Guess CIX could also need extra frequency too, same goes for LAS.
What CM hub is lacking, IMHO, is late evening flights to SAL, GUA and MGA, returning to PTY before 0630, at least a couple of days per week, also evening PTY-CUN/PUJ morning PUJ/CUN-PTY.
Also will Cm delay Embraer retirements due to the max issue?
Most likely yes. E190 will be kept on shorter routes while B737 with the range will be flown to those destinations where it was supposed to fly the B737-MAX9.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:15 am

Copa Airlines is working hard in South Florida, given the existence of CM PTY-MIA 42x weekly and CM PTY-FLL 5x weekly.
Both routes are fully served on the 738 jet.
CM PTY-FLL 1x daily will complement CM PTY-MIA 6x weekly. It would be a market very well served.
Probably CM is also preventing the incursion of potential airlines like WN or B6 into the FLL-PTY market.
NK FLL-PTY is 7x weekly at this time and CM PTY-FLL 7x weekly will face directly to such flights.
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:14 am

Routes more flown on Copa Airlines / Copa Airlines Colombia, in terms of weekly frequencies:

1. PTY-SJO: 63x
2. PTY-BOG: 49x
3. PTY-HAV: 49x
4. PTY-MDE: 45x
5. PTY-LIM: 42x
6. PTY-MIA: 42x
7. PTY-GYE: 38x
8. PTY-GRU: 35x
9. PTY-MEX: 35x
10. PTY-SCL: 35x





Routes less flown on Copa Airlines, in terms of weekly frequencies:

1. CM PTY-FOR: 1x
2. CM PTY-LIR: 2x
3. CM PTY-BZE: 2x
4. CM PTY-BGI: 2x
5. CM PTY-HOG: 2x
6. CM PTY-SLA: 2x
7. CM PTY-SSA: 2x
8. CM PTY-REC: 2x
9. CM PTY-PVR: 2x
10. CM PTY-CIX: 2x


Edited on March 18, 2019.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:26 am

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Probably CM is also preventing the incursion of potential airlines like WN or B6 into the FLL-PTY market.
Since NK and CM are on FLL-PTY, for some reason I visualise WN or B6 flying from FLL to BLB, RIH or even ONX instead of PTY.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:00 am

Top routes on Avianca from Central America.
They include 321/320/319 jet operations as well as AT7 aircraft.
Frequencies are listed as weekly flights.

1. AV SAL-SJO 32x
2. AV SAL-LAX 22x
3. AV SAL-GUA 22x
4. AV SAL-TGU 21x
5. AV SAL-IAD 20x
6. AV SJO-BOG 20x
7. AV SAL-BOG 19x
8. AV SAL-SAP 19x
9. AV SAL-SFO 14x
10. AV SAL-JFK 14x
11. AV SAL-MGA 14x
12. AV GUA-FRS 14x
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:23 pm

CM may be exploring a new destination in Argentina. In an interview, Gustavo Esusy, Copa's Mercosur Manager, was saying that they are exploring a new destination in Argentina.

El representante de la aerolínea panameña resaltó: “Copa tiene un plan de crecimiento para este año en la Argentina. Hace 20 que vuela en el país, sin embargo durante muchos años llegábamos a Buenos Aires. Desde hace doce tenemos Córdoba, hace tres Rosario, uno y medio a Mendoza y hace un par de meses Salta. Actualmente estamos viendo una oportunidad de volar desde otra ciudad argentina siempre manteniendo las ya tenemos”.


https://losandes.com.ar/article/view?slug=copa-airlines-el-potencial-de-mendoza-es-enorme
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:05 am

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CM may be exploring a new destination in Argentina. In an interview, Gustavo Esusy, Copa's Mercosur Manager, was saying that they are exploring a new destination in Argentina.

El representante de la aerolínea panameña resaltó: “Copa tiene un plan de crecimiento para este año en la Argentina. Hace 20 que vuela en el país, sin embargo durante muchos años llegábamos a Buenos Aires. Desde hace doce tenemos Córdoba, hace tres Rosario, uno y medio a Mendoza y hace un par de meses Salta. Actualmente estamos viendo una oportunidad de volar desde otra ciudad argentina siempre manteniendo las ya tenemos”.


https://losandes.com.ar/article/view?slug=copa-airlines-el-potencial-de-mendoza-es-enorme
And my guess is TUC, however, IGR might be of some interest for CM too.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:04 am

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CM may be exploring a new destination in Argentina.

Why doesn't Copa Airlines add more weekly frequencies on CM PTY-COR or CM PTY-ROS instead ?
CM PTY-SLA just began in December 2018.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:24 pm

I dunno if this has already been mentioned, but AV is cancelling a lot of routes out of GUA.

https://www.estrategiaynegocios.net/cen ... LM.twitter

AV is cancelling flights from GUA to TGU, NYC (I presume they mean JFK?), ORD, MCO effective June 1st, On that same date, they will cancel routes between SAL and CTG, CLO and BOS, while on May 1st, the routes from BOG to BOS and ORD are terminated. This seems to have taken the authorities in Guatemala by surprise. AV states that the reason for the cancellations is the sale of their entire E-190 fleet and their focus on A32x aircraft. SAL will likely be more in focus.

It somehow reminds me of the sudden de-hubbing of SJO back in the day.
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:25 pm

It is sad but not surprising. AV is not operating in a sustainable way and they aren’t people’s favorite airline either. Hopefully another airline comes in and adds more flights to/from GUA.
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:59 pm

AV having its issues I'd surprised if Y4/Q6 doesn't come in and starts taking market share from them.
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:58 am

According to someone inside GU (take it with a grain of salt), AV is already laying off the majority of the ATR pilots and it’s quite possible that FRS will be axed once all ATRs are gone.
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:18 am

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According to someone inside GU (take it with a grain of salt), AV is already laying off the majority of the ATR pilots and it’s quite possible that FRS will be axed once all ATRs are gone.


Right. They are going to ax a duopoly route...?
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:34 am

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AV having its issues I'd surprised if Y4/Q6 doesn't come in and starts taking market share from them.


One of the main issues is that Volaris doesn’t have the best image in GUA. They are seen as ultra cheap (the negative connotation) and unreliable. Spirit is the one that’s seen as sh*ty but reliable, which I would say fits their business model.

The removal of the ATR fleet will be a big hit fot Avianca. Could end up making a big chunk of the Central American market unprofitable.
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:35 am

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many321 wrote:
AV having its issues I'd surprised if Y4/Q6 doesn't come in and starts taking market share from them.


One of the main issues is that Volaris doesn’t have the best image in GUA. They are seen as ultra cheap (the negative connotation) and unreliable. Spirit is the one that’s seen as sh*ty but reliable, which I would say fits their business model.

The removal of the ATR fleet will be a big hit for Avianca. Could end up making a big chunk of the Central American market unprofitable.
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:45 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
aer wrote:
According to someone inside GU (take it with a grain of salt), AV is already laying off the majority of the ATR pilots and it’s quite possible that FRS will be axed once all ATRs are gone.


Right. They are going to ax a duopoly route...?


Well it makes sense that they would ax FRS; it's not like they'll be able to fill a an A320 on a flight which, as of now, seldomly even fills the ATR. Even in the GU 737-200 days they never filled the airplane and in those days the flight was a tag on to CUN.

Duopoly or not, if they don't have the right frame for the flight, it won't be profitable for AV.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:54 pm

I'm surprised about how quick they have changed their intended plans.
First off, some Central American routes would be up-gauged to 320 jets like GUA-FRS.
The new quote states the withdrawal of such route, among others.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:29 pm

aer wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
aer wrote:
According to someone inside GU (take it with a grain of salt), AV is already laying off the majority of the ATR pilots and it’s quite possible that FRS will be axed once all ATRs are gone.


Right. They are going to ax a duopoly route...?


Well it makes sense that they would ax FRS; it's not like they'll be able to fill a an A320 on a flight which, as of now, seldomly even fills the ATR. Even in the GU 737-200 days they never filled the airplane and in those days the flight was a tag on to CUN.

Duopoly or not, if they don't have the right frame for the flight, it won't be profitable for AV.


You think TAG will jump into the potential void left by the departure of AV from so many GUA routes?
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:30 pm

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The removal of the ATR fleet will be a big hit for Avianca. Could end up making a big chunk of the Central American market unprofitable.
Or the return of the milk-runs..
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:27 pm

[/quote]Or the return of the milk-runs..[/quote]
I once did this milk run on AV MSY-SAL-GUA-SJO-PTY . Same thing to get back, trying to flee hurricane Ivan in 2004.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:54 am

https://www.nacion.com/economia/negocio ... um=twitter

AV is announcing layoffs in Costa Rica. They did not specify how many people got laid off but apparently, more than 1000 employees will stay on AV's payroll in Costa Rica.
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:16 am

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Or the return of the milk-runs..

I once did this milk run on AV MSY-SAL-GUA-SJO-PTY . Same thing to get back, trying to flee hurricane Ivan in 2004.
I was referring to the famous CM PTY-SJO-MGA-SAL-GUA.
I've no clue if the Panama - El Salvador bilateral would allow CM to apply for a milk-run out of DAV similar to what CM had in the 70's.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:39 pm

I still think that the ATR is the best aircraft for many intra-CA routes. Such a shame it is going away. Think of the likes of: FRS-GUA; SAL-RTB; SAL-TGU/SAP; GUA-TGU/SAP; SAL-MGA; SAL-BZE… I even think that some Grand Caravans could be used for routes like GUA-FRS (specifically), or even SAP/TGU/Ceiba-RTB (maybe, depending on frecuencies).

Two questions: does anyone know how well (or not) is SANSA doing in Costa Rica and La Costeña in Nicaragua? How large (%) is Avianca´s ownership in those airlines?

Saludos,
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:45 pm

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I still think that the ATR is the best aircraft for many intra-CA routes. Such a shame it is going away. Think of the likes of: FRS-GUA; SAL-RTB; SAL-TGU/SAP; GUA-TGU/SAP; SAL-MGA; SAL-BZE… I even think that some Grand Caravans could be used for routes like GUA-FRS (specifically), or even SAP/TGU/Ceiba-RTB (maybe, depending on frecuencies).

Two questions: does anyone know how well (or not) is SANSA doing in Costa Rica and La Costeña in Nicaragua? How large (%) is Avianca´s ownership in those airlines?

Saludos,
AP


I don't think passengers would be too happy going over the mountains in single engine aircraft. the weather can get atrocious. I for one would take the long way round if I could get on an ATR or a jet.
Yes, I know TAGs 110s are not pressurised but at least they are twins.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:22 pm

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You think TAG will jump into the potential void left by the departure of AV from so many GUA routes?


They would be dumb not to do it as well as jumping into the GUA-TGU route (they only fly GUA-SAP at the moment). It would also be a growth opportunity for AeroRuta Maya but they may have it a bit more difficult since they are the smaller airline that's just starting to dip their toes into scheduled service.

YSAPW wrote:
Two questions: does anyone know how well (or not) is SANSA doing in Costa Rica and La Costeña in Nicaragua? How large (%) is Avianca´s ownership in those airlines?

Saludos,
AP


According to the Centre for Aviation this is the ownership ratios in the old TA portfolio:
Avianca Holdings SA portfolio of airlines include:

Islena de Inversiones SA de CV (Avianca Honduras): (100%);
Servicios Aereos Nacionales SA (SANSA): (100%);
Trans American Airlines SA (Avianca Peru): (100%);
TACA International Airlines SA (Avianca El Salvador): (96.84%);
LACSA (Avianca Costa Rica): (92.40%);
Aerotaxis La Costena SA (Avianca Nicaragua/La Costena): (68.08%);
Aviateca SA/TACA Regional Guatemala (Avianca Guatemala): (100%)
https://centreforaviation.com/data/profiles/airline-groups/avianca-holdings-sa
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:57 pm

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According to the Centre for Aviation this is the ownership ratios in the old TA portfolio:
Avianca Holdings SA portfolio of airlines include:

Islena de Inversiones SA de CV (Avianca Honduras): (100%);
Servicios Aereos Nacionales SA (SANSA): (100%);
Trans American Airlines SA (Avianca Peru): (100%);
TACA International Airlines SA (Avianca El Salvador): (96.84%);
LACSA (Avianca Costa Rica): (92.40%);
Aerotaxis La Costena SA (Avianca Nicaragua/La Costena): (68.08%);
Aviateca SA/TACA Regional Guatemala (Avianca Guatemala): (100%)
https://centreforaviation.com/data/profiles/airline-groups/avianca-holdings-sa
AV thru TACA also had Aeroperlas in Panama, but can't confirm if company was terminated or just kept as a paper company.
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:29 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
YSAPW wrote:
I still think that the ATR is the best aircraft for many intra-CA routes. Such a shame it is going away. Think of the likes of: FRS-GUA; SAL-RTB; SAL-TGU/SAP; GUA-TGU/SAP; SAL-MGA; SAL-BZE… I even think that some Grand Caravans could be used for routes like GUA-FRS (specifically), or even SAP/TGU/Ceiba-RTB (maybe, depending on frecuencies).

Two questions: does anyone know how well (or not) is SANSA doing in Costa Rica and La Costeña in Nicaragua? How large (%) is Avianca´s ownership in those airlines?

Saludos,
AP


I don't think passengers would be too happy going over the mountains in single engine aircraft. the weather can get atrocious. I for one would take the long way round if I could get on an ATR or a jet.
Yes, I know TAGs 110s are not pressurised but at least they are twins.


TAG use a mix of E110, Saab S340A and E-145 offering up to 5 daily flights. They adjust aircraft depending the demand.

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Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:16 am

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Dieuwer wrote:

You think TAG will jump into the potential void left by the departure of AV from so many GUA routes?


They would be dumb not to do it as well as jumping into the GUA-TGU route (they only fly GUA-SAP at the moment). It would also be a growth opportunity for AeroRuta Maya but they may have it a bit more difficult since they are the smaller airline that's just starting to dip their toes into scheduled service.

YSAPW wrote:
Two questions: does anyone know how well (or not) is SANSA doing in Costa Rica and La Costeña in Nicaragua? How large (%) is Avianca´s ownership in those airlines?

Saludos,
AP


According to the Centre for Aviation this is the ownership ratios in the old TA portfolio:
Avianca Holdings SA portfolio of airlines include:

Islena de Inversiones SA de CV (Avianca Honduras): (100%);
Servicios Aereos Nacionales SA (SANSA): (100%);
Trans American Airlines SA (Avianca Peru): (100%);
TACA International Airlines SA (Avianca El Salvador): (96.84%);
LACSA (Avianca Costa Rica): (92.40%);
Aerotaxis La Costena SA (Avianca Nicaragua/La Costena): (68.08%);
Aviateca SA/TACA Regional Guatemala (Avianca Guatemala): (100%)
https://centreforaviation.com/data/profiles/airline-groups/avianca-holdings-sa


Sosa Airlines flies 5x weekly IIRC in a CRJ200 GUA-TGU, a much better option than anything TAG can offer at the moment. Even then, it is still a very thin market even with Avianca out of the picture.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:24 am

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I still think that the ATR is the best aircraft for many intra-CA routes. Such a shame it is going away. Think of the likes of: FRS-GUA; SAL-RTB; SAL-TGU/SAP; GUA-TGU/SAP; SAL-MGA; SAL-BZE.

SAL-BZE and SAL-MGA have been traditionally operated by means of jet aircrafts; the rest I totally agreed with.
AV and TA flew SAL-MGA-MIA even with the 321 and sometimes as 2x daily. I think the MIA tag-on was axed due to the recent social situation in Nicaragua.
TACA also flew SAL-MGA-SJO with ATR-42, which is no longer avalaible.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:49 pm

Wayfarer515 wrote:
aer wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

You think TAG will jump into the potential void left by the departure of AV from so many GUA routes?


They would be dumb not to do it as well as jumping into the GUA-TGU route (they only fly GUA-SAP at the moment). It would also be a growth opportunity for AeroRuta Maya but they may have it a bit more difficult since they are the smaller airline that's just starting to dip their toes into scheduled service.

YSAPW wrote:
Two questions: does anyone know how well (or not) is SANSA doing in Costa Rica and La Costeña in Nicaragua? How large (%) is Avianca´s ownership in those airlines?

Saludos,
AP


According to the Centre for Aviation this is the ownership ratios in the old TA portfolio:
Avianca Holdings SA portfolio of airlines include:

Islena de Inversiones SA de CV (Avianca Honduras): (100%);
Servicios Aereos Nacionales SA (SANSA): (100%);
Trans American Airlines SA (Avianca Peru): (100%);
TACA International Airlines SA (Avianca El Salvador): (96.84%);
LACSA (Avianca Costa Rica): (92.40%);
Aerotaxis La Costena SA (Avianca Nicaragua/La Costena): (68.08%);
Aviateca SA/TACA Regional Guatemala (Avianca Guatemala): (100%)
https://centreforaviation.com/data/profiles/airline-groups/avianca-holdings-sa


Sosa Airlines flies 5x weekly IIRC in a CRJ200 GUA-TGU, a much better option than anything TAG can offer at the moment. Even then, it is still a very thin market even with Avianca out of the picture.


Sosa hasn’t flown the route for well over a year.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:15 pm

The Panamanian Government is trying to get a second route to China, this time with China Southern. https://centroamericaeconomia.net/panama-abre-consulado-en-canton-y-muestra-interes-en-otra-ruta-aerea-en-china/

El presidente de Panamá, Juan Carlos Varela, inauguró este lunes en Cantón -capital de la provincia de Guangdong, al sur de China- la segunda representación diplomática extranjera en ese país, y a la vez expresó su interés por entablar una futura conexión aérea directa con esa región.

En el encuentro Varela habló sobre el potencial de una ruta aérea con Panamá a través de la aerolínea China Southern, aprovechando las ventajas del Aeropuerto Internacional de Tocumen, considerado el “Hub de las Américas” por ser el centro de conexiones con más vuelos internacionales en la región latinoamericana.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:22 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
YSAPW wrote:
AV and TA flew SAL-MGA-MIA even with the 321 and sometimes as 2x daily. I think the MIA tag-on was axed due to the recent social situation in .


TACA still flies daily SAL-MGA-MIA.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:41 pm

The Panamanian Government is trying to get a route to Japan, they held a meeting with ANA executives. Via Twitter:
Presidencia Panamá
“Reconocemos a @tocumenaero como uno de los más convenientes en Latinoamérica y la relevancia que tiene la red de @CopaAirlines” Presidente de @FlyANA_official en su encuentro con el mandatario panameño @JC_Varela

https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1114529936990199808
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:09 pm

Kilgen wrote:
The Panamanian Government is trying to get a route to Japan, they held a meeting with ANA executives. Via Twitter:
Presidencia Panamá
“Reconocemos a @tocumenaero como uno de los más convenientes en Latinoamérica y la relevancia que tiene la red de @CopaAirlines” Presidente de @FlyANA_official en su encuentro con el mandatario panameño @JC_Varela

https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1114529936990199808
"The Panamanian Government is still trying to get a route to Japan".
This has been going on since late 1990s.
IMHO, PTY+CM would be happy with even a twice weekly, small wide-body, NH NRT-ANC-PTY.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:07 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
Kilgen wrote:
The Panamanian Government is trying to get a route to Japan, they held a meeting with ANA executives. Via Twitter:
Presidencia Panamá
“Reconocemos a @tocumenaero como uno de los más convenientes en Latinoamérica y la relevancia que tiene la red de @CopaAirlines” Presidente de @FlyANA_official en su encuentro con el mandatario panameño @JC_Varela

https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1114529936990199808
"The Panamanian Government is still trying to get a route to Japan".
This has been going on since late 1990s.
IMHO, PTY+CM would be happy with even a twice weekly, small wide-body, NH NRT-ANC-PTY.


That flight could be doable with a 787-9 from ANA without the stop in ANC
Well at least NRT-PTY, I have my doubts PTY-NRT

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:08 am

The Asian airlines are rather choosing Canada or the mainland United States on the way to Latin America, like CZ CAN-YVR-MEX and CA PEK-IAH-PTY.
Some routes from the past and no longer in service: BR TPE-LAX-PTY, JL NRT-JFK-GRU, JL NRT-YVR-MEX.
Perhaps a tag-on from NH NRT-MEX may work to Panama City.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:32 am

LTU932 wrote:
AV is cancelling flights from GUA to TGU, NYC (I presume they mean JFK?), ORD, MCO

The withdrawal of AV GUA-ORD alongside with AV BOG-ORD should mean the suspension of all their flights to Chicago.
Tha airline hasn't announced yet if AV SAL-ORD will return after June 01st.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:47 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Probably CM is also preventing the incursion of potential airlines like WN or B6 into the FLL-PTY market.
Since NK and CM are on FLL-PTY, for some reason I visualise WN or B6 flying from FLL to BLB, RIH or even ONX instead of PTY.


Oh, WN won't touch Pacifico. They are not seeking international expansion whatsoever at this time. If they did, it'd be to PTY. Pacifico only serves Wingo at this point in time, Rio Hato's scheduled service consists solely of Canadian leisure airlines (TS and WG), and Colon only sees charters to Albrook.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:01 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
AV is cancelling flights from GUA to TGU, NYC (I presume they mean JFK?), ORD, MCO

The withdrawal of AV GUA-ORD alongside with AV BOG-ORD should mean the suspension of all their flights to Chicago.
Tha airline hasn't announced yet if AV SAL-ORD will return after June 01st.

Regards.

Can someone help me with this hopefully? I understand that AV is having a lot of issues from new management to the trouble with AV Brazil to dumping all of the 190s, and I can understand cutting ORD-BOG because it’s a long thin route, even though it pretty much just started. But I can’t understand chopping SAL and especially GUA.
Both of these routes have been around for a while, especially GUA, even going back to the Aviateca days.
Maybe they weren’t performing well, maybe the seasonal one day a week AA service hurt more than it would appear, maybe the cost of operating all 3 flights to ORD just costs too much with ORDs costs.
It just seems odd that they would cut and run and completely pull out of a city they’ve invested so much time into.
Now I am a ORD fanboy and I certainly understand that other flights are being axed but just trying to find out some more info, that’s all.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:41 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Perhaps a tag-on from NH NRT-MEX may work to Panama City.
But then again, you have to remember that the flight has to stop at TIJ on the westbound because of the altitude of MEX. That would make NRT-MEX-PTY a one-stop on the eastbound, PTY-MEX-TIJ-NRT a two-stop on the westbound.
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