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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:13 pm

LTU932 wrote:
the flight has to stop at TIJ on the westbound because of the altitude of MEX


NH 179 MEX 01.00.....06.40+1 NRT.....Daily….788
NH 180 NRT 16.40.....13.55 MEX...…..Daily…..788

The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet, meaning a 14.30 flight in average.
Same with AM MEX-NRT with 788.
AM did MEX-TIJ-NRT when the route was previously operated with 763.
Having said that, the fictitious NH NRT-MEX-PTY seems to be feasible.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:40 pm

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AV is having a lot of issues from new management to the trouble with AV Brazil to dumping all of the 190s.

Their eight E90s are based in Central America, not Brazil. They're still featuring the TA [TACA] designator into their registration numbers:

N935TA
N936TA
N937TA
N938TA
N986TA
N987TA
N988TA
N989TA

Sometimes, they flew some routes for Avianca Peru, but I cannot remember if they operated inner routes in Colombia, Brazil or Ecuador.
Some of the these routes lasted less than one year in service:
AV SAL-CTG: November 2018 - June 2019.
AV GUA-JFK: October 2018 - June 2019.
AV GUA-ORD: October 2018 - June 2019.
AV SAL-BOS: August 2018 - June 2019.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:48 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet


Related press release:
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/ana-mex ... n-america/
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:05 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
I understand that AV is having a lot of issues from new management to the trouble with AV Brazil to dumping all of the 190s.

I'm sorry. I didn't understand your point for the first time.
The retirement of the E90s seems rather to be focused into the expiration of their usage life for 2020.
Copa Airlines also already announced the end of the E90 era.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:01 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
the flight has to stop at TIJ on the westbound because of the altitude of MEX


NH 179 MEX 01.00.....06.40+1 NRT.....Daily….788
NH 180 NRT 16.40.....13.55 MEX...…..Daily…..788

The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet, meaning a 14.30 flight in average.
Same with AM MEX-NRT with 788.
AM did MEX-TIJ-NRT when the route was previously operated with 763.
Having said that, the fictitious NH NRT-MEX-PTY seems to be feasible.
That's news to me, considering the fact that MEX is 7700+ feet high.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:37 pm

So KLM just announced they’re including LIR into their destinations, the flight would be the same that arrives to SJO making the total trip now AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS, unfortunately still mantining the seasonal operation to Costa Rica.

https://www.larepublica.net/noticia/klm ... de-octubre
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:05 pm

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the same that arrives to SJO making the total trip now AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS

Liberia to Amsterdam !
It sounds quite interesting as this intended flight will complement their operations to Europe, taking into account the services of BY [LGW-LIR] with 788.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:34 pm

can you buy tickets SJO-LIR?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:30 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
can you buy tickets SJO-LIR?

I don't think so.
San Jose - Liberia and back is a tiny route and only available on Sansa Grand Caravans.
RZ SJO-LIR usually continues to Tamarindo Beach, Nosara Beach, Tambor Beach and so forth.
KL won't fly Liberia - San Jose.
It's amazing how KL will be flying the 788 on SJO-LIR, which is barely a 87 nm route.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:43 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
can you buy tickets SJO-LIR?

I don't think so.
San Jose - Liberia and back is a tiny route and only available on Sansa Grand Caravans.
RZ SJO-LIR usually continues to Tamarindo Beach, Nosara Beach, Tambor Beach and so forth.
KL won't fly Liberia - San Jose.
It's amazing how KL will be flying the 788 on SJO-LIR, which is barely a 87 nm route.

Regards.

I'd think SJO-LIR would be one of the shortest routes currently flown by a widebody. I wouldn't be shocked if there's a few other routes that are a little shorter but this one's right up there.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:45 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
can you buy tickets SJO-LIR?

Probably not. If so, maybe we can start calling them KLM Royal Costa Rican Airlines :D
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:47 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:

It's amazing how KL will be flying the 788 on SJO-LIR, which is barely a 87 nm route.



Make that 4x weekly B789 AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS in W19.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:53 pm

In the announcement thread of KL starting LIR, there was someone saying the KL flight has to make fuel stops on the eastbound. Is there any truth on that or was that just fake news?
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:25 pm

In SJO, when they have to use Runway 07 (east departure) because of the terrain and the need for more rate of climb upon departure I’ve seen them making stops either at PTY or CUR. This new route would actually help them in this matter since SJO sets at 3021ft of elevation while LIR’s only at 269ft.


LTU932 wrote:
In the announcement thread of KL starting LIR, there was someone saying the KL flight has to make fuel stops on the eastbound. Is there any truth on that or was that just fake news?
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:20 am

One more interesting fact of the KL LIR-AMS sector is the departure hour set at 21:15, four days a week.
I think KL LIR-AMS will be the latest leaving time ever through Liberia, speaking about scheduled flights.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:31 am

LTU932 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
the flight has to stop at TIJ on the westbound because of the altitude of MEX


NH 179 MEX 01.00.....06.40+1 NRT.....Daily….788
NH 180 NRT 16.40.....13.55 MEX...…..Daily…..788

The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet, meaning a 14.30 flight in average.
Same with AM MEX-NRT with 788.
AM did MEX-TIJ-NRT when the route was previously operated with 763.
Having said that, the fictitious NH NRT-MEX-PTY seems to be feasible.
That's news to me, considering the fact that MEX is 7700+ feet high.


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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:49 am

The triangular KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS is implementing an agressive pattern in Liberia allowing up to four seasonal flights and linking the Netherlands and Guanacaste.
The demand of passengers through LIR and coming from Europe is likely soaring to upper levels, taking into account that foreing travelers came mostly from both the United States and Canada.
I posted a link before about the priority of Liberia on working 24 hours.
American Airlines informed some years backward that the traffic on AA MIA-LIR is vastly loaded with US passengers and traveling to holidays in Guanacaste province: more than 95%, in those days.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:04 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
aer wrote:
According to the Centre for Aviation this is the ownership ratios in the old TA portfolio:
Avianca Holdings SA portfolio of airlines include:

Islena de Inversiones SA de CV (Avianca Honduras): (100%);
Servicios Aereos Nacionales SA (SANSA): (100%);
Trans American Airlines SA (Avianca Peru): (100%);
TACA International Airlines SA (Avianca El Salvador): (96.84%);
LACSA (Avianca Costa Rica): (92.40%);
Aerotaxis La Costena SA (Avianca Nicaragua/La Costena): (68.08%);
Aviateca SA/TACA Regional Guatemala (Avianca Guatemala): (100%)
https://centreforaviation.com/data/profiles/airline-groups/avianca-holdings-sa
AV thru TACA also had Aeroperlas in Panama, but can't confirm if company was terminated or just kept as a paper company.


Yes, their operations terminated in 2012, with one of the reasons being financial issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroperlas
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:39 pm

The Eruope – Cental America market is somehow interesting nowadays. Its easy to understand the reasons why Panamá gets so many Europe flights (and it became the alternative, for the rest of Centralamericans, to avoid going through the USA). Then Costa Rica got all these Europe flights, logically, since they became such a tourist hotspot.

My question arises with GUA and SAL: Guatemala is the largest CA economy (not counting PTY), and is also a tourist destination. SAL, not a tourist destination but a Star Alliance “hub”. Why did they not get more Europe flights? Sure, Iberia, but it’s the only regular schedule flight they get. Now with SJO and PTY having so many Europe flights, GUA and SAL would not seem to be the smart options. And, on the matter, does anyone know how the Iberia flights (GUA and SAL) are doing?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:13 pm

China Eastern's Executives are visiting Panama. They are exploring starting a new flight from Shanghai. Two tweets about this:

Today they are meeting the President of Panama.
Presidencia Panamá
Durante su visita a la República Popular China, el Pdte @JC_Varela planteó a China Eastern el establecimiento de una ruta aérea directa entre Panamá y Shanghái. Hoy recibirá a representantes de esta aerolínea, que visitan Panamá para explorar esta posibilidad.

https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1116420049210957826

They are scheduled to meet the executives of PTY, the AAC and the executives of Copa:
Cancillería Panamá
Como parte de su agenda de trabajo en Panamá, Directivos de la aerolínea China Eastern se reunirán con autoridades de la @ATP_panama, @tocumenaero y @aacivilpty, así como representantes de @CopaAirlines

https://twitter.com/CancilleriaPma/status/1116399346554155008
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Kilgen wrote:
China Eastern's Executives are visiting Panama. They are exploring starting a new flight from Shanghai.


PVG PTY is going to bleed money as an at risk endeavour.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:26 am

YSAPW wrote:
My question arises with GUA and SAL: Guatemala is the largest CA economy (not counting PTY), and is also a tourist destination. SAL, not a tourist destination but a Star Alliance “hub”. Why did they not get more Europe flights?

This is just my humble interpretation as I don't manage figures to sustain my phrases.
It's more than likely that both Panama City and San Jose so far generate more revenues to the Spaniard airline compared to both Guatemala City and San Salvador.
Let's analyze the level of service supplied by Iberia:

IB MAD-PTY-MAD 7x weekly, 333
IB MAD-SJO-MAD 7x weekly, 332
IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD 7x weekly, 332

- The triangular route was upgauged to a daily basis.
- IB may split GUA and SAL once the demand of passengers would sustain dedicated flights.
- UX MAD-PTY 5x weekly with 788 is due to start in June.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:40 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
- IB may split GUA and SAL once the demand of passengers would sustain dedicated flights.


IB cannot do a dedicated MAD GUA MAD flight due to the altitude / runway length issues. But IB has partnered GUA with many other cities for many years, so GUA must make money.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:59 pm

Before the GUA/SAL-MAD flight became daily, IB had announced it would make GUA service daily paired with MGA. Once the political downturn happened the plans changed to making the GUA flight daily via SAL. A lot of people use that flight and, from what I’ve heard, it’s GUA that fills most of the plane.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:55 am

LightChop2Chop wrote:
IB cannot do a dedicated MAD GUA MAD flight due to the altitude / runway length issues.

You have a good point.
This fact can stop the intended plans of the European airlines in serving Guatemala City with their wide-bodies.
They would utilize the code-share services of either AV or CM over the launch of any [Europe - GUA - XXX - Europe] triangular route.
Wamos from Spain stopped in Cuba on the GUA-MAD northbound sector.
I just checked that UX MAD-SAP 1x weekly is still in service.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:39 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet


Related press release:
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/ana-mex ... n-america/


Major pax restriction with only 169 seats. that's like a 739 flying the route :D
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:00 am

snaiks wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet


Related press release:
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/ana-mex ... n-america/


Major pax restriction with only 169 seats. that's like a 739 flying the route :D


Seems they're going to use the 788 that is usually used for SJC flights that's 169 seats though it's premium and premium economy heavy, with the few economy pax shoved to the back of the plane.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:22 am

On June 1st, AA is set to end DFW-MGA flights. I wonder what could be the reason behind it.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2019/
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:31 am

Political situation on Nicaragua

w3gar wrote:
On June 1st, AA is set to end DFW-MGA flights. I wonder what could be the reason behind it.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2019/
Fotografos de Aviacion de Guatemala. Spotter.
https://www.facebook.com/Fot%C3%B3grafo ... 661476921/
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:31 pm

Considering Maxs will be removed through August. DFW MGA probably falls into one of the category of "expendable, low profit, we can always return, so lets use the aircraft on a Max route"
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:58 pm

juanchito wrote:
Political situation on Nicaragua

w3gar wrote:
On June 1st, AA is set to end DFW-MGA flights. I wonder what could be the reason behind it.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2019/

Oh okay, makes sense now. I just heard US placed new sanctions on them, along with Cuba and Venezuela too.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:08 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Considering Maxs will be removed through August. DFW MGA probably falls into one of the category of "expendable, low profit, we can always return, so lets use the aircraft on a Max route"

I don't think the Max 8 is suitable for DFW-MGA imo, if that's what you're trying to say. AA is best to sticking with their A319s on it and use the 8 on MIA-MGA instead. I doubt there's high yields on the DFW route, hence it's a seasonal flight.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:57 pm

w3gar wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Considering Maxs will be removed through August. DFW MGA probably falls into one of the category of "expendable, low profit, we can always return, so lets use the aircraft on a Max route"

I don't think the Max 8 is suitable for DFW-MGA imo, if that's what you're trying to say. AA is best to sticking with their A319s on it and use the 8 on MIA-MGA instead. I doubt there's high yields on the DFW route, hence it's a seasonal flight.


Agree but with maxs being out, AA is shuffling aircraft around to fill in the holes. A likely scenario would be the 319 from DFW MGA went to something DFW - domestic that was a 738 with the 738 then moving to MIA to replace a max route...say to SDQ.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:15 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Agree but with maxs being out, AA is shuffling aircraft around to fill in the holes. A likely scenario would be the 319 from DFW MGA went to something DFW - domestic that was a 738 with the 738 then moving to MIA to replace a max route...say to SDQ.
Don't AA E175/E190 have the range for DFW-MGA?
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:41 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Agree but with maxs being out, AA is shuffling aircraft around to fill in the holes. A likely scenario would be the 319 from DFW MGA went to something DFW - domestic that was a 738 with the 738 then moving to MIA to replace a max route...say to SDQ.
Don't AA E175/E190 have the range for DFW-MGA?

Yes, both the E175/190 have the range for it. Flying distance is about 1400 nmi according to https://www.distancefromto.net/. The range of a 175 is 2,200 nmi, while the 190's is 2,450 nmi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E ... ifications
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:45 am

LightChop2Chop wrote:
w3gar wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Considering Maxs will be removed through August. DFW MGA probably falls into one of the category of "expendable, low profit, we can always return, so lets use the aircraft on a Max route"

I don't think the Max 8 is suitable for DFW-MGA imo, if that's what you're trying to say. AA is best to sticking with their A319s on it and use the 8 on MIA-MGA instead. I doubt there's high yields on the DFW route, hence it's a seasonal flight.


Agree but with maxs being out, AA is shuffling aircraft around to fill in the holes. A likely scenario would be the 319 from DFW MGA went to something DFW - domestic that was a 738 with the 738 then moving to MIA to replace a max route...say to SDQ.

Indeed, that is definitely one of the many scenarios that not only American, but many other airlines worldwide in general, are facing until the Max issues get resolved. It wouldn't surprise me if AA keeps their MD80s or even their E190s for a bit longer because of this.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:13 am

The withdrawal of AA DFW-MGA is not an isolated case.
The weekly frequencies of both CM GUA-MGA and CM SJO-GUA were reduced before.
The intended services of IB at MGA wouldn't happen in the near future.

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Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:26 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
The weekly frequencies of both CM GUA-MGA and CM SJO-GUA were reduced before.


I meant CM SJO-MGA and CM GUA-MGA
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 01, 2019 5:17 pm

PTY T2 opened officially 5 of its gates. The full terminal should be 100% operational by the end of the year.

Picture of the terminal embedded in the tweets:
https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1123049433715884044
https://twitter.com/JC_Varela/status/1123044381244653568
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1121808976751026177
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1122979629638324230
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 02, 2019 12:56 am

Kilgen wrote:
PTY T2 opened officially 5 of its gates. The full terminal should be 100% operational by the end of the year.

Picture of the terminal embedded in the tweets:
https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1123049433715884044
https://twitter.com/JC_Varela/status/1123044381244653568
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1121808976751026177
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1122979629638324230


Does Anyone know which flights are arriving to T2? does anyone have a map? I wonder whats the distance between gate 106(old 6) to whichever is the farthest and without working moving walkways. Thats going to be interesting.
Hopefully they'll add US Immigration Preclearance. That would be interesting
 
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Thu May 02, 2019 6:46 pm

snaiks wrote:
Kilgen wrote:
PTY T2 opened officially 5 of its gates. The full terminal should be 100% operational by the end of the year.

Picture of the terminal embedded in the tweets:
https://twitter.com/PresidenciaPma/status/1123049433715884044
https://twitter.com/JC_Varela/status/1123044381244653568
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1121808976751026177
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1122979629638324230


Does Anyone know which flights are arriving to T2? does anyone have a map? I wonder whats the distance between gate 106(old 6) to whichever is the farthest and without working moving walkways. Thats going to be interesting.
Hopefully they'll add US Immigration Preclearance. That would be interesting

As our Panamanian goverments have a long tradition of openning major infrastructure without really being finished, for it, getting to use 5 jet-ways there and the terminal connector was the official oppening of the terminal.
IMHO, the moment T2 is officially wholly operational CM will try to avoid having its passengers connect between the farthest gates.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Thu May 02, 2019 9:40 pm

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Hopefully they'll add US Immigration Preclearance. That would be interesting
Though it seems more likely that there'll be CBP preclearance in BOG instead of PTY, I'd love if PTY does get preclearance. It would make a detour on the way to the US all worth it.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 02, 2019 9:44 pm

LTU932 wrote:
snaiks wrote:
Hopefully they'll add US Immigration Preclearance. That would be interesting
Though it seems more likely that there'll be CBP preclearance in BOG instead of PTY, I'd love if PTY does get preclearance. It would make a detour on the way to the US all worth it.


I doubt there will be preclearence at PTY. CM CEO is against it, as it would make connections to the US longer and most likely benefit more the US based airlines than CM.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 1:55 am

Kilgen wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
snaiks wrote:
Hopefully they'll add US Immigration Preclearance. That would be interesting
Though it seems more likely that there'll be CBP preclearance in BOG instead of PTY, I'd love if PTY does get preclearance. It would make a detour on the way to the US all worth it.


I doubt there will be preclearence at PTY. CM CEO is against it, as it would make connections to the US longer and most likely benefit more the US based airlines than CM.


But it will make PTY more competitive. it would be a dream to do preclearance in pty and be able to get short connections even for CM. Short connection times in IAD are not easily done, nad will benefit UA too
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 2:00 am

Preclearance in canada often takes three hours when connecting. PTY would be no different. their CEO is right when he says it would affect connections substantially.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 4:24 am

snaiks wrote:
Kilgen wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
Though it seems more likely that there'll be CBP preclearance in BOG instead of PTY, I'd love if PTY does get preclearance. It would make a detour on the way to the US all worth it.


I doubt there will be preclearence at PTY. CM CEO is against it, as it would make connections to the US longer and most likely benefit more the US based airlines than CM.


But it will make PTY more competitive. it would be a dream to do preclearance in pty and be able to get short connections even for CM. Short connection times in IAD are not easily done, nad will benefit UA too
Lets make something clear, if U.S. Pre-clearance happens in PTY, the connecting time needed may be longer than what CM does now.
Moreover, U.S. pre-clearance won't be like getting on a queue at a European airport to show passport and answer some questions as passengers do when they enter Schengen area.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 7:29 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
U.S. pre-clearance won't be like getting on a queue at a European airport to show passport and answer some questions as passengers do when they enter Schengen area.
Of course not, but in a European airport I skip those questions because I enter and leave Europe with my German passport (plus I use the automated passport control gates anyway). :stirthepot:

But in the end, while the Copa CEO is the biggest lobbyist and probably has some influence in what PTY does, he does not have the final word. You're right, it's not a walk in the park and pre-clearance has its pros and cons, but I personally would love US preclearance because once you actually arrive in the US, you have customs and immigration already done and you're like a domestic flight (though rescreenings can occur of course).
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 8:13 pm

Well, the other problem, is where to put preclearance at PTY?

Unless they decide to close the north pier (muelle norte) with its 12 gates for US flights, I don't see any other place where you can fit that, as the satellites are too small (6 gates each or 8 gates if they close them in the hallway leading to the satellite, but I cannot imagine how they are going to fit immigration and custom in those narrow hallways.) . And even in the north pier is going to be a very tight fit.

Also, because inbound and outbound passengers mix up at PTY, it will restrict the planes to and from the US in the north pier, thus I can see CM having logistical problems as they will not be able to have a plane that does SFO-PTY-EZE-PTY unless after they unload the passengers and move the plane to a different gate, or they change all their plane schedules, so that they do US-PTY-US flights, which will drop the total amount of hours each plane is flying thus reducing revenue.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 11:29 pm

it'll also bring other benefits to CM operations, like the same crew can come back on the same plane for short runs ie PTY-MIA-PTY and not have to overnight in order to get a flight the next day. Also, even if PTY offers it CM doesnt have to abide by it, they can decide not to use the preclearance.
IMHO i think it would make sense in many ways and many connections IE UA's hub in IAD, 2 hrs in IAD is a very short connection time. Air China's flight would benefit a lot from that pre clearance as passengers can re-board after arriving in IAH.
If BOG gets a pre-clearance it'll put AV in a stronger position than CM in PTY
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 4:05 am

snaiks wrote:
it'll also bring other benefits to CM operations, like the same crew can come back on the same plane for short runs ie PTY-MIA-PTY and not have to overnight in order to get a flight the next day. Also, even if PTY offers it CM doesnt have to abide by it, they can decide not to use the preclearance.
IMHO i think it would make sense in many ways and many connections IE UA's hub in IAD, 2 hrs in IAD is a very short connection time. Air China's flight would benefit a lot from that pre clearance as passengers can re-board after arriving in IAH.
If BOG gets a pre-clearance it'll put AV in a stronger position than CM in PTY


Wrong wrong wrong.

BOG May benefit from pre-clearance because it's a huge O/D airport. PTY is not, we thrive because of efficient connection.

Pre-clearance is an antagonismo of efficiency. Let pax do immigration in Américan soil, as it should be.
I've connected PTY-EWR-TXL, in two hours, without any issues. Any experienced flyer can make it..
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