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Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:35 am

We're in the window where 730 could soon be available. It has been at TLV for 5.5 months. (And it's currently the only CAM aircraft there, which is a big change from the last few years.)

They "normally" take about 6 months at TLV, although that's a very-general average, and individual ships can take materially-longer or be done sooner. It also can depend on the backlog at TLV, which I don't think is huge at the moment, at least for 767 conversions. As a comparison, the IAI/Bedek line at MexicanaMRO at MEX, which may currently be unoccupied, did four ships for Kalitta successively, and got the last one done in 3.66 months. I don't know if that's apples-to-apples in terms of work scope, but they have gotten progressively-faster, with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ones being done in 4.5, 4.25 and 3.66 months, respectively. That's obviously a place that IAI is going to want to send their overflow if TLV gets super-busy again, assuming that Kalitta is happy with the quality.

All that said, if there is a need for the aircraft as soon as it is done at IAI so that it will be ready for a customer by Date X, then the cost of a couple of tickets to TLV for a separate contract crew isn't material in the overall scheme of things. If not, and a couple of days doesn't make a big difference, I suppose they could fly it back. I did notice that the contract crew that tried to take 354AA from ILN-TLV on Saturday night were the same guys that tried again unsuccessfully on Wednesday night, so they had the joy of hanging around Hooterville for a couple of days before trying again. (Unless they live within a reasonable drive, of course.)
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:37 pm

Who flies the planes? I thought they were ATSG crews that flew them
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:16 pm

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Who flies the planes? I thought they were ATSG crews that flew them

They are. The crews are comprised of former (retired) ATI and ABX crews hired as “contract pilots”.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:18 pm

Exactly. There may be a little variation in how the aircraft arrive at ILN from their former carrier or lessor, but once they arrive there, things work as described. To get 930WE from ASP to ILN, for example, 30 West (the previous owner) brought it over via Jet Test (one of the coolest little companies ever). https://jettest.aero But once it was in the ATSG fold, it flew to TLV via the usual methods. In contrast, the Jetran-owned ex-AA aircraft appear usually to be picked up in the desert by the ATSG contract crews.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:59 pm

Does anyone know when 354AA is going to Tel Aviv again?
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:30 pm

354 is departing ILN at 1:20
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:05 pm

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354 is departing ILN at 1:20


Departure disappeared on Flightaware. Scrubbed before takeoff this time?
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:13 pm

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cmairplaneman wrote:
354 is departing ILN at 1:20


Departure disappeared on Flightaware. Scrubbed before takeoff this time?


Still on 354AA but not on ILN as you said. Maybe cancelled
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:42 pm

354 is currently enroute to TLV.
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:40 pm

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354 is currently enroute to TLV.


And to ensure a successful flight, they decided to totally avoid Maine. Best of luck!
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:31 pm

Planespotters.net is reporting that LN340 (1990 build) has been purchased by CAM. Former Gulf Air and Delta bird, last SDR from 2017 showed 113336 hours and 21220 cycles. Currently at SBD since March 2018. Any ideas about what they will do with this old girl?
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:32 pm

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Planespotters.net is reporting that LN340 (1990 build) has been purchased by CAM. Former Gulf Air and Delta bird, last SDR from 2017 showed 113336 hours and 21220 cycles. Currently at SBD since March 2018. Any ideas about what they will do with this old girl?


LN334 as well. Formerly N1501P. LN340 was N153DL. Both 300ERs with winglets. The hours are up there but the cycles are nice and low. This is almost the identical profile to N354AA, which they are converting, so I assume they are converting both of these, too.

At first blush, you might assume that CAM knows something that we don't. They publicized the 10-airplane order from Amazon, but they control 20 of the 24 retiring AA 767-300s. So that's a surplus of 10, and now they have bought at least 3 more (354AA plus these two). There's a possibility, however, that we're seeing AA slow down its 767-300ER retirements, and that CAM needs to get some aircraft into conversion. When 730WE leaves, that's the last aircraft that was there, a sharp contrast to what was a consistent pipeline of several aircraft.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:15 pm

Nothing at all official at this time, but ATSG is negotiating with Amazon for 17 more frames beyond the 10 just announced. Not sure if the timeline for the additional aircraft, but maybe they’re hedging bets. Or they could be going to an outside operator. Hard telling.
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:55 pm

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Nothing at all official at this time, but ATSG is negotiating with Amazon for 17 more frames beyond the 10 just announced. Not sure if the timeline for the additional aircraft, but maybe they’re hedging bets. Or they could be going to an outside operator. Hard telling.


You know, Walmart is also developing its own controlled shipping network, not yet to the extent of Amazon, but patching together last-mile carriers and contracting for some of the line haul itself. I have complained for the last year about how unreliable their so-called two-day shipping has become, but I have to say that during and after Peak this year, it's actually pretty-impressive. Ordered a bunch of sundries on Tuesday afternoon to be delivered to my parents and it was delivered on Wednesday, just using the free delivery. That's a huge improvement. Anyway, they are an obvious candidate for a limited major-trunk air network. Don't know if they'll ever do it, but they are definitely a candidate. OTOH, their online grocery pickup is killing it, which is surprising given how horrible their pickup-in-store setup was for other things, so I know they are leveraging their store base to deliver products as well.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:47 am

Given the volume of conversions that ATSG apparently is going to be doing, and they only use IAI it will be interesting to see whether any are done at MexicanaMRO, IAI's conversion facility in MEX.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:54 pm

Another round of the rumor mill. I heard the other day that one of the lead loadmasters at ATI was in DEN and MSP recently to train new hire loadmasters and ground staff. I don’t know when the start date would be or what routes, but usually things open up pretty quickly once training is finished. I’ll be curious what routes that would open up. The 767s currently dedicated to UPS will end that contract in April and June respectively so I believe those frames will be re-dedicated to Amazon.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:03 pm

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Another round of the rumor mill. I heard the other day that one of the lead loadmasters at ATI was in DEN and MSP recently to train new hire loadmasters and ground staff. I don’t know when the start date would be or what routes, but usually things open up pretty quickly once training is finished. I’ll be curious what routes that would open up. The 767s currently dedicated to UPS will end that contract in April and June respectively so I believe those frames will be re-dedicated to Amazon.


Is it just a 3rd party company handling DEN now? Another poster on the last page indicated there was a single CVG-DEN-Somewhere in Cali rotation (only westbound) already.

As for the super geriatric Ex-DL frames for conversion. I have come to accept that ATSG does stuff like this. I still just don't get it though. Are they hiring mechanics hand over fist? Aging airframes will bite even the best in the biz...
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:41 pm

wjcandee wrote:

At first blush, you might assume that CAM knows something that we don't. They publicized the 10-airplane order from Amazon, but they control 20 of the 24 retiring AA 767-300s. So that's a surplus of 10, and now they have bought at least 3 more (354AA plus these two).



N389AA signed for on February 15.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:05 pm

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wjcandee wrote:

At first blush, you might assume that CAM knows something that we don't. They publicized the 10-airplane order from Amazon, but they control 20 of the 24 retiring AA 767-300s. So that's a surplus of 10, and now they have bought at least 3 more (354AA plus these two).

N389AA signed for on February 15.


Cool, so about 5 weeks from retirement to transfer to CAM.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:58 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Acey559 wrote:
Another round of the rumor mill. I heard the other day that one of the lead loadmasters at ATI was in DEN and MSP recently to train new hire loadmasters and ground staff.

Is it just a 3rd party company handling DEN now? Another poster on the last page indicated there was a single CVG-DEN-Somewhere in Cali rotation (only westbound) already.

There is also a single MSP-CVG in the daily rotation. The three single-stop, one way cities in the Atlas Amazon system right now are SKF, DEN, and MSP. Interesting but not surprising that DEN and MSP might see some flights from ATI. I think ATI is already in SKF?

I believe that Atlas is handled by DHL in both DEN and MSP, but it may be a third party (CAS, perhaps?).

Current stations served as only one-way, one-stop daily:
ONT-SKF-CVG
CVG-DEN-ONT
BWI-MSP-CVG


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Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:24 pm

CallmeJB wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Acey559 wrote:
Another round of the rumor mill. I heard the other day that one of the lead loadmasters at ATI was in DEN and MSP recently to train new hire loadmasters and ground staff.

Is it just a 3rd party company handling DEN now? Another poster on the last page indicated there was a single CVG-DEN-Somewhere in Cali rotation (only westbound) already.

There is also a single MSP-CVG in the daily rotation. The three single-stop, one way cities in the Atlas Amazon system right now are SKF, DEN, and MSP. Interesting but not surprising that DEN and MSP might see some flights from ATI. I think ATI is already in SKF?

I believe that Atlas is handled by DHL in both DEN and MSP, but it may be a third party (CAS, perhaps?).

Current stations served as only one-way, one-stop daily:
ONT-SKF-CVG
CVG-DEN-ONT
BWI-MSP-CVG


The best rumors always start with the loadmasters!


We were in SKF for a time but were pulled out by Amazon about two years ago. We flew a SKF-BWI-SKF routing and possibly something else too, but my memory fails.

Loadmasters and mechanics are a treasure trove of info! :) I heard we were getting 10 additional Amazon frames from our lead mechanic almost a year ago and lo and behold, he was correct!
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:10 pm

Reports on Twitter that N1217A operating GTI3591 MIA-IAH crashed near IAH, 3 souls on board.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:25 pm

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The story story has been updated to state that all three people onboard have died.

FWIW, this was a 767-300 painted in Prime Air colors.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:41 pm

Since this is Amazon's first airplane crash, I'm curious how they'll respond to it.

From a logistical standpoint, I'd expect they're experienced with losing packages in a large group. (i.e. a truck crashes, catches on fire, etc, etc.)

Although, I figure the customer communication would be something accurate, but bland: "Your package has been damaged beyond repair. We are shipping a replacement immediately...."
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:50 pm

It is interesting the the vast majority of the reports I have seen on Video have identified the Aircraft that was flying for Amazon. Giving the impression that it is Atlas Cargo and not Amazon as such.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:07 pm

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It is interesting the the vast majority of the reports I have seen on Video have identified the Aircraft that was flying for Amazon. Giving the impression that it is Atlas Cargo and not Amazon as such.


Amazon is the brand that most people will recognize. Just like when a regional plane crashes, its associated with the major it was flying for.

That being said. It is accurate. Atlas was flying the plane for Amazon.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:13 pm

The media has been remarkably-accurate in identifying it as an Atlas Air aircraft flying cargo for Amazon. Technically, of course, it's a dry leased aircraft from an Atlas subsidiary to Amazon, being then operated and maintained by Atlas. Yep. 1217A. One of the first Atlas conversions. Completed at QPG. Formerly with China Southern and LAN before conversion.
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:25 pm

wjcandee wrote:
The media has been remarkably-accurate in identifying it as an Atlas Air aircraft flying cargo for Amazon. Technically, of course, it's a dry leased aircraft from an Atlas subsidiary to Amazon, being then operated and maintained by Atlas. Yep. 1217A. One of the first Atlas conversions. Completed at QPG. Formerly with China Southern and LAN before conversion.


Stats were 90k hours and 23k cycles around Thanksgiving, so nothing extraordinarily used and abused by those standards. FDR/CVR is going to be key here to discover what happened I think.
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:37 pm

Amazon unpublicized delivery gateways. I wondered why my Prime deliveries were several days faster.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/ ... b143074cd3

With Amazon Air's expanded hub at CVG, and more B763 conversions ordered, will the expanded CVG hub reduce Amazon's reliance on other operators, or is Amazon growing so much that there will be so impact on FX and 5X?
 
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:22 pm

Drove by ILN today. LOTS of activity around the old DHL sort. Multiple semi trailers and vehicles all around the perimeter of the building. Many private vehicles parked at the north end (for the workers inside?) Some new construction going up alongside on the south end of the building.

Rumor of Amazon moving back to ILN on a temp basis. Is this the beginning of getting the infrastructure in place?
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:04 pm

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Drove by ILN today. LOTS of activity around the old DHL sort. .....
Rumor of Amazon moving back to ILN on a temp basis. Is this the beginning of getting the infrastructure in place?


It has been reported (but I can’t find where at the moment) that “some” AMZ ops will be operating out of ILN. I’ve heard by this spring, but I haven’t seen anything concrete with regards to our future schedule. The scuttle butt is a night sort, which would make sense since the DHL ramp at night in CVG is totally dedicated to DHL operations.

Seems kinda crazy that the Clinton Co. Port Authority would let AMZ back in for only a 2 or 3 year gig. But think about it, once AMZ CVG Hub is built out and they vacate ILN, the Port Authority is left with a fully functional modern hub sort to marketing anyone it pleases. Can anyone say Walmart???
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:13 pm

Maj: Agreed. Walmart is the next logical private air network operator. They, too, have been taking more control over delivery, instead of ceding it to Purple and Brown. Their volume is less than 1/5 of Amazon, but it's still huge in any normal sense. Their air volume would likely be even less, because they have more local origination sources than does Amazon, and they are now often just marking items as unavailable if it has to come across country to get to you. But they likely do have the critical mass to use a much-smaller private air network.

I think the equipment will probably disappear with its owner, like it did last time, but it certainly is a proof of concept. And you also will have a trained workforce who can be deployed to the CVG hub if they're willing to commute an hour each way. Here in NYC that's an "easy" commute; maybe out there it is considered too lengthy.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:46 pm

Oh and WJ,
I know you like to keep track of what’s going on with tails and paint. 382CM is due for paint May5 and 373AA is due June 2. Each marked down for 15 days.
My guess is either ATI livery or “white whale”.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:51 pm

wj, do you think Wlalmart will use CMI, like Amazon (and own/lease the a/c)? Walmart livery on the fleet?
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:13 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Since this is Amazon's first airplane crash, I'm curious how they'll respond to it.

From a logistical standpoint, I'd expect they're experienced with losing packages in a large group. (i.e. a truck crashes, catches on fire, etc, etc.)

Although, I figure the customer communication would be something accurate, but bland: "Your package has been damaged beyond repair. We are shipping a replacement immediately...."


When a tornado hit the local Amazon warehouse a couple months ago, I had a pending order. The next day they refunded my money with some generic language about logistics problems. Yet a week later, the item arrived.

So I assumed they by default just refunded everyone's money.
 
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wj, do you think Wlalmart will use CMI, like Amazon (and own/lease the a/c)? Walmart livery on the fleet?


“Wally Air”??
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:41 pm

Given that Sam Walton was a visionary in using satcom for vertical integration of manufacturing to distribution to sales, he and Jeff Bezos (Sam Walton v.2) show how a visionary can change the world, and when the vision is lost, the institution ossifies. Walmart's response to AMZ, though late, will hopefully prevent Walmart from the fate of Sears, JCPenney, etc.
 
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Oh and WJ,
I know you like to keep track of what’s going on with tails and paint. 382CM is due for paint May5 and 373AA is due June 2. Each marked down for 15 days.
My guess is either ATI livery or “white whale”.


Thanks, MajMatt!!

382CM (930WE) isn't to my knowledge on anybody's certificate yet; where it goes is going to depend upon the customer if it is operated by ATSG, which it seems like it may be. Interesting that it's going in for paint before either of the two aircraft that are now on ATI's certificate and running for UPS. I think 373AA (to be 359CM) is coming first off the UPS contract, in April, so that makes sense, with the other one 376AN (344CM) flying another 2 months. If those two stay on ATI's certificate, then they are probably destined for Amazon; if not, then they would be going to a different potential contract. (Or they could be dry-leasing them to somebody else, but I think that to be less-likely; no reason to do a bunch of paperwork if you don't need to, although ATSG has certainly done it before.) We also have 730WE (380CM) coming back to the states soon, after which we won't see another ATSG conversion completed likely until August, when 354AA should be done. How quickly we see something after that really depends upon how soon CAM sends 389AA and/or the two ex-DL birds to TLV. (DHL just put a 767-300 in the IAI/Bedek line at MexicanaMRO, which is turning them around in 3.66 months these days, so another slot there likely isn't going to be available until July-ish; otherwise that might have been a cute way to fast-track a conversion if CAM needed it.) In short, we're really not likely to see many new conversions going into service after the five we have been discussing until the 4th Quarter 2019.
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:58 am

382CM will be on the ATI certificate by the end of this week or very early next week. It will initially support “other network requirements” according to the higher-ups. It will start flying for Amazon by the end of spring. So one could reason that it will be all white for a time and then get full Prime paint in a few months.
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wj, do you think Wlalmart will use CMI, like Amazon (and own/lease the a/c)? Walmart livery on the fleet?


I think when you're starting out, full-service charter is simpler and gives you an easier out. As you get bigger and are ready to make more of a firm commitment, you could still charter but at some point you have to help the charter carrier defer the risk attendant to investing in a fleet of aircraft that are going to be a huge drain if you discontinue service. The dry-lease thing Amazon is doing is a way to balance the capital risk among the customer and vendor; putting them under CMI contracts makes them transportable from vendor to vendor so incentivizes the operator to stay sharp. Plainly if the vendor is going to make a big capital investment in an asset that would rapidly-depreciate if a bunch of them got dumped on the market at once, it needs some level of commitment from the customer. Locking into a non-cancellable charter contract for X years might be getting too deep under the sheets. Better to put the capital risk on the customer for X years to lessen the potential capital loss, but put the operating risk on the vendor, who still has to perform. If you're an airline, ATSG also has a wet-to-dry program where they'll lease you an aircraft on an ACMI basis until you love the asset and can put together your own program, after which you can switch it to a dry lease and operate it yourself. Lets you start using the 767-300 quickly, and follow on with your own personnel (subject to your CBA, of course, in the US). Northern is doing something like this with that Aloha aircraft. But it really doesn't apply if you're not an airline.

Walmart might dip its toe in with a small charter fleet to start, and see how it works. Or, they can hire talent that has experience in airline management and network operations, and get in the deep end more quickly with a smaller deal similar to Amazon's -- Amazon dry-leases the aircraft, exercises significant dominion over them (i.e. you can't fly them to carry anybody else's freight if you're the operator), and deals with the carrier's parent or representative to coordinate the pieces of the operation. There are some complicated regulations governing the ownership and operation of aircraft in these circumstances, but Walmart/Amazon have lawyers who can figure it out.

The flip side of this is that Walmart, in the tradition of Sam Walton flying his own prop plane from small town to small town, has a substantial worldwide corporate flight department. Because most senior WalMart executives started on the floor of a store, and manage in a very hands-on manner, they need business aviation to cover their territory (IIRC, Walmart is divided into a number of regions, each a multibillion-dollar business, and the head of that region is expected to be on the road a lot, like Sam was.) So they actually have deep roots in aviation, and they manage it in a very egalitarian way. https://blog.walmart.com/opportunity/20 ... mart-pilot If their aviation division is as first-class an operation as is their trucking business, they may have some in-house talent that can help them diversify into air freight. It's a very-different field, but the point is that corporate management will have some trusted advisors that can validate what their vendors are telling them -- assuming that they decide to use vendors, which I think is still a better idea. But for all the nitwit Wall Street analysts who are just discovering that Amazon is a logistics operation -- duh -- and drawing all sorts of stupid conclusions about future strategy as a result of this Eureka moment, few seem to realize what a highly-developed logistics and data-analytics operation Walmart is, and was long before anybody was using the term "online". They were doing data mining and automatic predictive ordering, and sharing myriad sales metrics with suppliers, long before anybody else was. Nobody needs to show Walmart how to run a sort center. And they were and still are a leader in empowering associates with responsibility and upward mobility virtually from Day 1. As the person responsible for a particular part of the store, you have carte blanche to set up displays of certain items and to price specials anywhere within a range that your computerized device allows, and how that affects sales of those items in your store is shared with other stores. It's really quite remarkable.

Anyway, bottom line is these guys could simply start their own airline if they wanted to, much more so than many others. I don't think they will, but there's a lot of knowledge about what it would take already at Walmart, much more so than at most other companies.
 
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382CM will be on the ATI certificate by the end of this week or very early next week. It will initially support “other network requirements” according to the higher-ups. It will start flying for Amazon by the end of spring. So one could reason that it will be all white for a time and then get full Prime paint in a few months.


I am happy to hear that it will do at least a little flying in the Frankenstein paint scheme (although it isn't as bad as it could have been), like the other two. Keeps things interesting... :-) (You don't call that half-an-ANZ tail "all white", do you? Just teasing, my friend.)

If it's going to start flying soon but not going in for paint until May, and it is to start flying for Amazon in the Spring, then it makes sense that it will get Amazon paint when it goes for paint in May.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:00 am

Thanks, wj. Prof. Belobaba could not articulate it better than you did. Given Walmart's deep background in logistics, I would not be surprised if they got their own AOC.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:24 am

As a barely-relevant but somewhat interesting side note: Looks like the Air Force Brass may have been in Hooterville today. Two PAT (Priority Air Transport -- the VIP air wing, flying GIIIs and the like) flights arrived into and departed from ILN. OTOH, they were each there less than an hour, hardly enough time for a tour or meeting, although one arrived at 1:10pm and the other departed at 4-something. If the brass arrived on one plane and left on another (military efficiency at work?), then 3.5 hours is enough time for a decent meeting. If not, then refueling, maybe? Just something to note, I guess.

As a side-side note, when I was a kid, a close friend of my parents was tasked to command the Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean. We went over to Italy for the change-of-command ceremony. One thing that was obvious to me is that while the commander (a Vice Admiral) evidently works his tail off in the typically-two-years one has that assignment, he has a lot of hardware and staff at his disposal. At least at the time, his personally-available resources were pretty-amazing, and I got to see a lot of them. I guess not unlike the CEO of a major corporation, a lot of folks attended to details of things so as to save him time, and he had his pick of ways to get around. Cool guy. Had been a Navy pilot in WW2 and an aircraft carrier commander along the way. Ultimately was promoted to 4-stars and involved in some cool stuff in and out of government. Died shortly after 9/11 (unrelated).
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:07 pm

If no delays, the last ex Air NZ 763 for 30 West, N830WE is due into TLV on Wednesday morning from ILN.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:16 pm

yochai wrote:
If no delays, the last ex Air NZ 763 for 30 West, N830WE is due into TLV on Wednesday morning from ILN.


So the big question is: is that a CAM aircraft, or was it sold to somebody else, as somebody on this forum suggested?

EDIT: Looked it up myself. Now registered to CAM. I thought after 930WE, CAM had bought the other two at the same time, but someone here had stated definitively (and rather aggressively) that I was wrong. Guess not. (Hee-hee.)

Importantly, it appears that CAM is ramping up conversions again, after slowing the pace of putting conversions in line.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:48 pm

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Drove by ILN today. LOTS of activity around the old DHL sort. Multiple semi trailers and vehicles all around the perimeter of the building. Many private vehicles parked at the north end (for the workers inside?) Some new construction going up alongside on the south end of the building.

Rumor of Amazon moving back to ILN on a temp basis. Is this the beginning of getting the infrastructure in place?


Amazon will be operating a full blown sort facility out of the old DHL site for the next 5 years. The facility is being prepped for that at this time. There will be multiple flights from ILN daily. Kickoff of the sort is scheduled for late June 2019.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:57 pm

Amazon is now hiring load masters for the ILN operations. Keep seeing the job advertisement on my job search website
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:42 pm

Side question, if Walmart is as savvy and competent managing data and logistics as was said a few posts back (and I believe you), what in the h*ll happened about 5 years ago with shelves not stocked, stores dirty, cash register lines so long people were simply abandoning their carts and going to the nearest competitor's store?
Buffet: the airline business...has eaten up capital...like..no other (business)
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:12 pm

Walmart went through a couple of changes of leadership in an effort to adapt to what they perceived as the market, and the strategies were like opposites. "We need to carry less stuff and widen the aisles". Did that. Customers hated it. Suppliers hated it. "We need to carry more stuff again." Customers liked that. "We need to open some smaller stores." Jury's out. "We need to carry more and more-upscale fashions." "That didn't work, we need to carry a good quantity of fashions, but it doesn't need to be as fancy." "We don't need greeters anymore." "Crap, people are mad, we need greeters again, but they'll also be security (putting the disabled and elderly greeters out of work)". "We need fewer cashiers to save money." "Crap, people are leaving their carts and going to Target." And on and on. Good on them for trying to carry out the plans, and being willing to try change, but I suspect that there was a period of time where they were scrambling to make changes without disrupting the business, and failed.

The online changes by the Jet (so dumb) guy have been all over the place, although they seem to be settling down into something that kinda works. At least I can order again from Walmart without being constantly-frustrated about the rising online prices and dumb changes about what they ship and what they won't, although that seems to change daily just in the range of things that I order. "Store only." "We'll ship it if you buy 12." "Oh, okay, we'll ship it if you buy 8." "Store only." "Okay we'll ship it if you buy four." Sigh. But they're getting to where they need to be. Still, they've lost a lot of my business to Target. Until Target started being unreliable about shipping speed, something that Walmart has really fixed in the last two months; they are rock-solid reliable (at least for me) about getting the stuff out of the DC and into the shipping channel, and they're using good shipping channels.
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