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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:59 pm

HB-JMH currently scheduled to LX160/07MAR ZRH-NRT as first operational flight. This however can always change.
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:12 pm

stylo777 wrote:
...whereas HB-JMH is still sitting in DRS and getting refurbished. Didn't they say it would be back to the fleet around mid-February despite the longer certification process of the first aircraft?


There are sill certificaton issues, hence there is a further delay until all these issues can be solved. Thereafter each refit of the remaining 4 aircraft should take between 3 to 4 weeks each max.
 
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:23 pm

finally, HB-JMH did some rounds around DRS today for a bit more than 2 hours https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... h#1fb303bb
first flight scheduled for tomorrow LX160 ZRH-NRT (STD 1300).
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:47 am

HB-JLS was sent to NWI for paint. Star Alliance cs or Edelweiss?
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:20 am

Frame turns 7 years this month, D-check?
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:55 am

DALCE wrote:
Frame turns 7 years this month, D-check?

But the airlines send the aircraft to NWI for paint...
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:01 pm

Quick questions for you guys. While I know that technically Swiss International Airlines has nothing to do with the former Swissiar, we still have to take into consideration that Crossair bought Swissair's assets. Therefore, SWISS can be seen as a direct successor of Swissair and Crossair. Could SWISS then embrace the trend of retro liveries and give us a few heritage liveries?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:30 pm

Would Swiss want to risk creditors of the bankrupt Swissair having a claim against Swiss ? The directors of Swiss have probably been given very strong legal advice not to risk anything around this. As soon as they admit publicly that Swiss in any way is a direct successor of Swissair, creditors somewhere in the world will likely be able to sue through the courts for money owed by Swissair
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:24 pm

The first one of 5 remaining A340s at Swiss has finally finished refurbishment with updated products in all three classes (Economy, Business and First) and is currently on its way to Tokio.

https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... ef0c70738b
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:03 pm

SR380 wrote:
Quick questions for you guys. While I know that technically Swiss International Airlines has nothing to do with the former Swissiar, we still have to take into consideration that Crossair bought Swissair's assets. Therefore, SWISS can be seen as a direct successor of Swissair and Crossair. Could SWISS then embrace the trend of retro liveries and give us a few heritage liveries?


As far as I know, Swiss is legally the owner of the “Swissair” brand. So I believe they would legally be allowed to do it. From a marketing point of view, this is another question. Not sure Swiss wants to be associated or confused with Swissair.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:01 pm

xorrygva wrote:
SR380 wrote:
Quick questions for you guys. While I know that technically Swiss International Airlines has nothing to do with the former Swissiar, we still have to take into consideration that Crossair bought Swissair's assets. Therefore, SWISS can be seen as a direct successor of Swissair and Crossair. Could SWISS then embrace the trend of retro liveries and give us a few heritage liveries?


As far as I know, Swiss is legally the owner of the “Swissair” brand. So I believe they would legally be allowed to do it. From a marketing point of view, this is another question. Not sure Swiss wants to be associated or confused with Swissair.


Maybe you're right. I didn't take into consideration the legal point of view. Still, I find pretty arrogant of them to keep pretending there is no connections between the two airlines.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:14 pm

Why arrogant?
I would imagine the legal ramifications would be extensive if it were possible to link the comoanies?
Even the Swiss have long memories
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:47 am

Swiss is finally introducing a new premium economy product on their longhaul fleet starting with their 777s in spring 2021.

https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... c22406234d
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:10 pm

dodoma wrote:
Swiss is finally introducing a new premium economy product on their longhaul fleet starting with their 777s in spring 2021.

https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... c22406234d


Finaly some great news I was expecting for long!
I guess they'll introduce the same LH/OS/SN seats ?!

Patrick.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:38 pm

small update on LX fleet for 2019 :

2x CS1 to be phased in Q2 2019
1st 32xNEO phased in DEC19

2x 319 will be phased out during 2019, remaining subfleet 2 frames.
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:01 pm

DALCE wrote:
2x CS1 to be phased in Q2 2019


I thought they would never come. Also looking forward to the first NEO joining the fleet.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:10 pm

Honestly, I was starting to doubt too. But they are coming :)
First NEO's are slightly delayed due to delivery problems with Airbus / Engine Manufacturer.
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:41 pm

What is JBB doing? Saw it flying around HEL and LCY the past days as LX8840.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:37 pm

So flights at GVA are fuller than they were ten years ago. On average there are 123 passengers whence a decade ago there were only 88.
Apparently flights have seriously increased beyond 11pm and even after midnight with an increase of 15% and 28% respectivaly. Though I don't know how many flights does that mean.

https://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-genevois ... y/12012661
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:37 am

Morning guys. There is an article on ch.aviation about WX regarding to replace the A340. Anyone knows more about it? Would the recent LH 787 and a350 order have anything to do with it? Thanks
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:39 am

phofmannsair wrote:


Thank you si much for sharing Patrick. As far as I am aware, GVA bought the Swissair center to move the airlines offices in this building to make room to build on top of the current checking building. Do you have any insight about that? Thanks
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:48 am

Do you have a link? Can't find it.
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:37 am

DALCE wrote:
Do you have a link? Can't find it.


https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... eplacement
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:42 am

ah, the paywall :)

Would be surprising to see them already looking for replacements. They have still some years left I would guess.
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:13 pm

SR380 wrote:
phofmannsair wrote:


Thank you si much for sharing Patrick. As far as I am aware, GVA bought the Swissair center to move the airlines offices in this building to make room to build on top of the current checking building. Do you have any insight about that? Thanks


Salut SR380,

Sadly nothing new about the future terminal. They're still studying the feasibility, cause what they want, is to build on/in/above the current terminal while continuing to operate normally/full capacity. That needs to be correctly assessed on both PAX "experience" and costs.

Patrick.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:18 pm

DALCE wrote:
ah, the paywall :)

Would be surprising to see them already looking for replacements. They have still some years left I would guess.


Vintage 2003/04 A340s, they will hold up for a few years still, but that's just about the time it takes to actually build the new aircraft required ...
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:27 pm

LSZH34 wrote:
What is JBB doing? Saw it flying around HEL and LCY the past days as LX8840.


I read somewhere that Airbus rented a Swiss A220 to do promo flights with potential customers around Europe (HEL and more).
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:53 pm

phofmannsair wrote:
SR380 wrote:
phofmannsair wrote:


Thank you si much for sharing Patrick. As far as I am aware, GVA bought the Swissair center to move the airlines offices in this building to make room to build on top of the current checking building. Do you have any insight about that? Thanks


Salut SR380,

Sadly nothing new about the future terminal. They're still studying the feasibility, cause what they want, is to build on/in/above the current terminal while continuing to operate normally/full capacity. That needs to be correctly assessed on both PAX "experience" and costs.

Patrick.


Salut Patrick. Thanks! What about checkin area at T2 in Zurich? Didn't they also rebuild while using it?
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:20 pm

SR380 wrote:
phofmannsair wrote:
SR380 wrote:

Thank you si much for sharing Patrick. As far as I am aware, GVA bought the Swissair center to move the airlines offices in this building to make room to build on top of the current checking building. Do you have any insight about that? Thanks


Salut SR380,

Sadly nothing new about the future terminal. They're still studying the feasibility, cause what they want, is to build on/in/above the current terminal while continuing to operate normally/full capacity. That needs to be correctly assessed on both PAX "experience" and costs.

Patrick.


Salut Patrick. Thanks! What about checkin area at T2 in Zurich? Didn't they also rebuild while using it?


Yes. But it was only a part of T2.
Here the plan to build a new terminal over the actual one, everything new (check-ins, security, restaurants, shops, duty free, offices,...)
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:34 am

phofmannsair wrote:
SR380 wrote:
phofmannsair wrote:

Salut SR380,

Sadly nothing new about the future terminal. They're still studying the feasibility, cause what they want, is to build on/in/above the current terminal while continuing to operate normally/full capacity. That needs to be correctly assessed on both PAX "experience" and costs.

Patrick.


Salut Patrick. Thanks! What about checkin area at T2 in Zurich? Didn't they also rebuild while using it?


Yes. But it was only a part of T2.
Here the plan to build a new terminal over the actual one, everything new (check-ins, security, restaurants, shops, duty free, offices,...)


Thanks again!
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:28 pm

It' seems this Easter sunday GVA will be visited by an AC B77W: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/hom ... 019&fn=835
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:03 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
It' seems this Easter sunday GVA will be visited by an AC B77W: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/hom ... 019&fn=835

Well it does not really have a link with the Easter holiday but more because they cancelled for two days in a row AC835 due to a technical default on C-GHKW. I guess they want to send as much passengers as they can tomorrow, as some of them where supposed to leave yesterday ...
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:11 pm

Panagiotis wrote:
Well it does not really have a link with the Easter holiday


Never said that.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 am

SCFA has announced their liquidation after failing to finance necessary restoration works on their L-1049 Super Constellation HB-RSC.

https://www.superconstellation.org/en/4 ... -dissolved

Sad to see another classic propliner go after LH grounded JU-52 D-AQUI and stopped restoration of L-1649 Super Star N7316C in Auburn, Texas :cry:
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 7:26 am

Swiss is sending one of their remaining A319 for part-out and scrap

Airbus A319 -112 612 HB-IPX Swiss International ferried 07may19 ZRH-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex D-AVYH
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 9:51 am

only 3 remaining ( IPT, IPU,IPV )
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 10:23 am

had the chance to fly onboard IPT yesterday and the aircraft was still in very good shape.
one couldn't tell the age (21.6 years).
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 11:29 am

Someone83 wrote:
Swiss is sending one of their remaining A319 for part-out and scrap

Airbus A319 -112 612 HB-IPX Swiss International ferried 07may19 ZRH-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex D-AVYH


Was it really that old that needed to be sent for scrap instead of being sold to other airlines still using A319s?
Flying is breathing..no planes no life..
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 12:13 pm

It is quite common that 319 operators are replanning their fleets. Many of them go for 320(NEO) as replacement, but LX also has the CS300 which is of similar size as the 319.
The 319 is leaving frontservice almost everywhere, not only at LX.
They are already around longer than expected due to the demise of AB and the need for seats to fill in that gap in the markets.
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 11:36 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Swiss is sending one of their remaining A319 for part-out and scrap

Airbus A319 -112 612 HB-IPX Swiss International ferried 07may19 ZRH-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex D-AVYH


Was it really that old that needed to be sent for scrap instead of being sold to other airlines still using A319s?

That was the 10th A319 ever built, and of the 9 older frames, there are only 5 still active worldwide.

As Airlines move to bigger Frames (i.e. 320/321 or 738 size), a 20+ year old frame that likely doesn't have all the Mature line improvements under the hood, and which may be due a heavy check is worth nothing second hand, but parts for other 320 family Aircraft could be worth a fair bit.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 08, 2019 12:28 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Swiss is sending one of their remaining A319 for part-out and scrap

Airbus A319 -112 612 HB-IPX Swiss International ferried 07may19 ZRH-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex D-AVYH


Was it really that old that needed to be sent for scrap instead of being sold to other airlines still using A319s?


It was delivered to Swissair back in August 1996, so it's close to 23 years ago. Now, what matters is how many hours and how many cycles did it logged over all these years?

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ss/nGMEfqe
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun May 12, 2019 10:58 am

Does anyone know what happened to HB-JCT ? It was operating LIS-GVA on Friday but diverted to TLS and has been there since.
 
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Bern

Sun May 12, 2019 1:27 pm

Skywork went bankrupt about 9 months ago. Has Bern airport made any kind of progress or plan as to what to do ? Apart from a few flights in summer to Mediterranean beaches it's looking awfully quiet. I don't imagine that the Govt will allow the airport to close (and will provide money if necessary) but the current situation of just hoping some solution will magically present itself is not sustainable
 
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Re: Bern

Sun May 12, 2019 3:45 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Skywork went bankrupt about 9 months ago. Has Bern airport made any kind of progress or plan as to what to do ? Apart from a few flights in summer to Mediterranean beaches it's looking awfully quiet. I don't imagine that the Govt will allow the airport to close (and will provide money if necessary) but the current situation of just hoping some solution will magically present itself is not sustainable

There is absolutely no point having an airport in Bern. By train, ZRH = 1 hour, BSL 55 min and GVA 1h 50. All 3 airports having an extensive network which is more than enough for a country the size of Switzerland! If no airline is able to make it profitable from BRN it’s for a good reason!
And the gvt aircraft can be based elsewhere.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 1:04 pm

Is HB-JCA being repainted again? It positioned to Maastricht today.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 5:24 pm

Hey guys, I just found this on Twitter per @Airlineroute. Some flights that are scheduled to be operated by Swiss‘ A320neo. What’s interresting is that afaik the neo was planned to begin operations in december.

SWISS temporary filed aircraft code 32N (A320neo) for following service from Zurich, 1 weekly each: Berlin Tegel (28OCT19 – 25NOV19, 06JAN20), Dusseldorf (01NOV19 – 15NOV19), Venice (01NOV19 – 15NOV19, 07FEB20)
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 6:33 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Is HB-JCA being repainted again? It positioned to Maastricht today.


Highly unlikely, since the c/s on it have been applied to celebrate an event later this year.... So just maintenance, don't worry....

Mike
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 6:23 pm

IwantaBBJ wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
Is HB-JCA being repainted again? It positioned to Maastricht today.


Highly unlikely, since the c/s on it have been applied to celebrate an event later this year.... So just maintenance, don't worry....

Mike


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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:18 pm

Are the registrations for the Swiss A320neos known yet?
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