LSZH34 wrote:

DALCE wrote:

as LX19 ex JFK

EWR or LX15/17?

grmbl....

Starting from 11.02.2020 easyJet will be increasing GVA-BEG from 3 to 4 weekly. Either the market is growing or they are responding to Wizz Air's newly launched BEG-LYS.

A321Lufthansa wrote:

DALCE wrote:

HB-JMC will go to NRT as LX160 tomorrow, and I'm glad she's back!
The remaining 2 will go after the summer peak.

Nevertheless, JMB headed to AMM today.

Yes, but AMM is used by Swiss for general maintenance. The reconfiguration takes place in DRS.

A321Lufthansa wrote:

DALCE wrote:

HB-JMC will go to NRT as LX160 tomorrow, and I'm glad she's back!
The remaining 2 will go after the summer peak.

Nevertheless, JMB headed to AMM today.

This is an absolute disgrace that SWISS is having it's maintenance done at AMM on it's Airbus fleet, where quality is absolutely inferior and might even put passenger lifes at risk due to faulty work performed. Thats why SWISS has now always several mechanics of their own who supervises the work, cost savings at such a high price...

Another incident happend with the Airbus A320 HB-IJH on 9th of June when during the flight the main hydraulic system failed and had to perform a emergency landing at ZRH as per attached article in German:
https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zueri ... 85353.html

Famous saying
"If you think safety is expensive, try an accident"

I hope they get either the quality issues out of the AMM base or themselves...

I'm sorry but do we know that maintenance at AMM is sub standard? Where are the sources for this information?

eirflot wrote:

I'm sorry but do we know that maintenance at AMM is sub standard? Where are the sources for this information?

It has been mentioned in the swiss Media, SWISS therefore always has now employees of their own at AMM that are supervising the maintenance work.

I expect HB-JBI, the next CS1 for SWISS to be delivered within a week from now.

HB-JBI is delivered and currently en route YMX-YUL.

Ps. Anything known about the 787/350 split for LX?

DALCE wrote:

HB-JBI is delivered and currently en route YMX-YUL.

Rather YMX-ZRH: https://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5201/211f96be

DALCE wrote:

HB-JBI is delivered and currently en route YMX-YUL.

Ps. Anything known about the 787/350 split for LX?

Finally JBI made it.

So far no new news for the general public regarding 787/350 for LX. Or did I miss something?
I‘m more eagerly awaiting longhaul destination announcement. Should be soon if LX plans them for S20 schedule

indeed, finally

There is a lot to come for LX. The first NEO's by Q4
New destinations. I would say within 2 months in order to be able to market them properly.

nevertheless I'm also looking forward to see where the 787/350's on order for LH group will go. I wouldn't be surprised if LX will only get A350's.

@spaceship : Yes, you are obviously correct....the fingers were quicker than the brain

FluidFlow wrote:

Is the 350 really usefull for LX? Would it not rather be better to simplify the long-haul fleet with one type? So either the 787-9/-10 or the 330-900neo, as both should be able to even fly the longest routes on offer right now and could cut costs with only having one type of wide body. The 777 will find a new home somewhere in the LH group, possibly OS.

330/350 or 777/787. It‘s really 50-50 regarding that decision.

FluidFlow wrote:

LSZH34 wrote:

FluidFlow wrote:

Is the 350 really usefull for LX? Would it not rather be better to simplify the long-haul fleet with one type? So either the 787-9/-10 or the 330-900neo, as both should be able to even fly the longest routes on offer right now and could cut costs with only having one type of wide body. The 777 will find a new home somewhere in the LH group, possibly OS.

330/350 or 777/787. It‘s really 50-50 regarding that decision.

Probably because for both combinations there are already some aircraft around. With the 350 they probably would go to an all Airbus fleet but the 787 would bring way more efficiency and a nice reduction in fleet age.

I personally would prefer 330/350, just because the 2-4-2 on the 330 is way more comfortable than the 3-3-3 in Y, as well as I really dislike the 3-4-3 in the 777. I did it to SFO and LAX and it is a horrible experience. Travelling with my partner it is so much nicer in the 330 when you are "alone".

I also prefer 350. It's also the bigger aircraft and offers more growth possibilites at ZRH which is running out of slots. We have to wait and see

Anything other than a a330neo/a350 order for LX would be a crime and more abuse from big brother LH after that horrible 77W order...

kimimm19 wrote:

Anything other than a a330neo/a350 order for LX would be a crime and more abuse from big brother LH after that horrible 77W order...

AFAIK Swiss and the pilots are actually very happy with the 77W. It‘s just hard to beat the efficiency in terms of combined pax/cargo volumes. Or why else would they have ordered six additional frames after the initial order of 6 back in 2013. And btw, I‘ve flown several times in Y on the 777 and couldn‘t care less about the seat width (I‘m 6‘1“ and athletically built).

With regards to A350 vs B787-9: when the LH order was announced for the 787, the mock up photos released showed the aircraft in LH, LX and OS livery. So it is at least probable that the 787 could be destined for LX.

As for future long haul destinations: I think that ICN is a lock given the comments made by Thomas Kluehr. The second destination (and it has been confirmed that they will add a transatlantic destination) could very well be IAD considering that UA is pushing more connecting traffic through there. YYZ is also a viable option, whereas YVR (replacing WK), IAH and MEX are dark horse possibilities IMO.

What will happen to KE if LX starts serving ICN assuming they will launch daily flights operated by A340? How are they doing regardless of LX?

Rumor has it Sichuan Airlines (3U) will announce their departure from ZRH within the next few weeks despite subsidies.

Someone83 wrote:

I did imagine the 787 on order was for Swiss and Austrian, and that Lufthansa got the A350s?

As much as I'd love to see Swiss operating the A350, I do think the 787 makes more sense for them; it can replace both the A340s and eventually the A330s. I don't think the A350/A330neo scenario is likely since LH Group doesn't seem to be a fan of the neo having ordered none so far.

I think Swiss sees both the A350 and 787.. There's too big of a gap between the 787 and 777, additionally the A350 can eventually replace the 777 down the line.. 787 for A330 replacement and A350 for A340/777 replacement.. Extremely efficient fleet

My little birds came with some backup that it will be A350 and not 787. But again this is purely based on assumptions and not facts.

DALCE wrote:

My little birds came with some backup that it will be A350 and not 787. But again this is purely based on assumptions and not facts.

That's good to hear

FluidFlow wrote:

The 777 will find a new home somewhere in the LH group, possibly OS.

Do OS have enough Passengers to go for a massive capacity increase from 763/772 to 77W?

YYZ is more likely than IAD because its a bigger airport and not only serves Canada destinations but many US destinations too with Preclearance!

PhilInBRN wrote:

kimimm19 wrote:

Anything other than a a330neo/a350 order for LX would be a crime and more abuse from big brother LH after that horrible 77W order...

AFAIK Swiss and the pilots are actually very happy with the 77W. It‘s just hard to beat the efficiency in terms of combined pax/cargo volumes. Or why else would they have ordered six additional frames after the initial order of 6 back in 2013. And btw, I‘ve flown several times in Y on the 777 and couldn‘t care less about the seat width (I‘m 6‘1“ and athletically built).

With regards to A350 vs B787-9: when the LH order was announced for the 787, the mock up photos released showed the aircraft in LH, LX and OS livery. So it is at least probable that the 787 could be destined for LX.

As for future long haul destinations: I think that ICN is a lock given the comments made by Thomas Kluehr. The second destination (and it has been confirmed that they will add a transatlantic destination) could very well be IAD considering that UA is pushing more connecting traffic through there. YYZ is also a viable option, whereas YVR (replacing WK), IAH and MEX are dark horse possibilities IMO.

YYZORD wrote:

YYZ is more likely than IAD because its a bigger airport and not only serves Canada destinations but many US destinations too with Preclearance!

I'm not so sure either of those are big arguments - LX can already offer those Pax looking for US preclearance YUL, and both YYZ and IAD are served ex-Zurich by LX through the metal neutral JV by AC and UA respectively.

Unless AC want to focus their own service to ZRH on the YVR flight?

I'm also quite undecided whether it's going to be YYZ or IAD. My feeling says YYZ and only for the reason that OS just recently switched from YYZ to YUL leaving LH as the only LHG carrier in Toronto. Yes, the JV is great and grants a metal-neutral approach, but overall network coverage is still important for LHGroup. IAD already has OS.

Any chance to see TPE back (from old SR times) on LX metal?

YangFeng wrote:

Rumor has it Sichuan Airlines (3U) will announce their departure from ZRH within the next few weeks despite subsidies.

https://www.travelnews.ch/flug/12907-si ... r-auf.html (German)

That was fast. Last flight 28AUG.

LSZH34 wrote:

DALCE wrote:

HB-JBI is delivered and currently en route YMX-YUL.

Ps. Anything known about the 787/350 split for LX?

Finally JBI made it.

According to planespotters.net, first flight for HB-JBI was July 1st, 2019.
I had the impression that the first flight of this aircraft took place more than a year ago, and that it was stored in Canada.
Was it only assembled without flying, or is planespotters date not correct?

sergegva wrote:

LSZH34 wrote:

DALCE wrote:

HB-JBI is delivered and currently en route YMX-YUL.

Ps. Anything known about the 787/350 split for LX?

Finally JBI made it.

According to planespotters.net, first flight for HB-JBI was July 1st, 2019.
I had the impression that the first flight of this aircraft took place more than a year ago, and that it was stored in Canada.
Was it only assembled without flying, or is planespotters date not correct?

First flight was a couple of weeks ago when flight testing for the delivery started. The assembly however took place years ago. So yes, it was stored for quite a while.

LSZH34 wrote:

sergegva wrote:

LSZH34 wrote:

Finally JBI made it.

According to planespotters.net, first flight for HB-JBI was July 1st, 2019.
I had the impression that the first flight of this aircraft took place more than a year ago, and that it was stored in Canada.
Was it only assembled without flying, or is planespotters date not correct?

First flight was a couple of weeks ago when flight testing for the delivery started. The assembly however took place years ago. So yes, it was stored for quite a while.

First flight was on June 15th, planespotters.net wrote the day before delivery.

easyJet EZS to launch new routes next winter:
BSL-HRG 1 flight weekly Wed
BSL-AGA 3 flights weekly Tue-Thu-Sat
GVA-PRG 3 flights weekly Mon-Wed-Fri
GVA-AQJ 2 flights weekly Tue-Sat

HBJZA wrote:

easyJet EZS to launch new routes next winter:
BSL-HRG 1 flight weekly Wed
BSL-AGA 3 flights weekly Tue-Thu-Sat
GVA-PRG 3 flights weekly Mon-Wed-Fri
GVA-AQJ 2 flights weekly Tue-Sat

I am surprised they haven't launched Prague before. Do they face competition on the route?

Prague was long awaited! They will compete with Swiss (4 weekly flights, Mon-Wed-Fri-Sun).
The competition is more than ever a one-on-one competition in Geneva between Easyjet and Swiss (even on summer destinations). More or less recently, Vueling and Wizz have reduced their services.

So does LX stand any chance on GVA-PRG? They seem to have struggled in Geneva.

Regarding the two new destinations, ICN and IAD were mentionned first, long before Swiss started talking about YYZ. With that being said, it's hard to say what will happen, YYZ in conjunction with AC would allow AC to take the 77W off the route and rub FRA year round 2x daily 77W which is sorely needed. On the flip side, the route needs premium seats, but is generally not short of Y seats, as it is, the 77W AC runs peak season has too much Y, and often goes with loads of empty seats. I would suggest the route would do best with 1x daily LX 77W, can always add a second flight for June-August on AC or LX metal for overflow as the route grows.

On that same token, IAD has a lot of premium demand as well, owing to the US government and its associated businesses. ICN is also a massive city, though it has significantly less traffic, and KE who already has a presence established on the route.

Long story short, I can see IAD and YYZ with ICN being the dark horse.

Isn't ICN basically confirmed with IAD and YYZ being the two airports battling it out for Swiss? I could see an ICN 4x weekly with YYZ 4x weekly and IAD 4x weekly. That way, the 2 aircraft freed up could operate all of these routes without picking and choosing between YYZ or IAD.

winstonavgeek wrote:

Isn't ICN basically confirmed with IAD and YYZ being the two airports battling it out for Swiss? I could see an ICN 4x weekly with YYZ 4x weekly and IAD 4x weekly. That way, the 2 aircraft freed up could operate all of these routes without picking and choosing between YYZ or IAD.

ICN is probably quite high in the ranking, but still not confirmed. could also be another Asian destination.
IAD or YYZ; both have similar chances to see LX service.
your proposed tripple 4x weekly flights isn't very attractive for LX in overall. their minimum is 5x weekly and directly opening 3 new longhaul destinations is quite a stretch - even for them.

talking about the freed up capacity; it's almost certain that BOS goes 77W. my other bet is NRT.
let's wait and see...

stylo777 wrote:

talking about the freed up capacity; it's almost certain that BOS goes 77W.

Even with BOS-MUC going to A380 for Summer 2020?

winstonavgeek wrote:

Isn't ICN basically confirmed with IAD and YYZ being the two airports battling it out for Swiss? I could see an ICN 4x weekly with YYZ 4x weekly and IAD 4x weekly. That way, the 2 aircraft freed up could operate all of these routes without picking and choosing between YYZ or IAD.

Are you suggesting AC drop YYZ-ZRH totally in favour of metal neutral joint Venture LX service? In which case, going from daily to 4x Weekly service is hardly an 'enhancement'.
Or that AC drop to 3x Weekly service on the days LX don't operate? Makes little sense with a schedule staying the same every day (LX plane sitting about in Toronto for ~8 hours)
Or that LX supplements the daily AC flight 4/Week? That's a helluva step up in Capacity if so.

Well IAD has OS so I mean if LH group wants to expand their presence at YYZ, LX seems like a great add along with LH because OS left for YUL. Also YYZ has more passengers than IAD per year, I think double. Not only you got connections at YYZ to domestic Canada destinations but also a lot of US destinations so its best of both worlds.

Blerg wrote:

I am surprised they haven't launched Prague before. Do they face competition on the route?

Swiss 5x per week

I can't believe that AC has the 77W on the ZRH-YYZ route now! Not long ago it was a 789 and before that it was a 763...

Also, how is LX planning on accounting for this new route growth? I thought the whole point of introducing the 77W was to replace some a343s with the added perk of a capacity boost per flight...

Gulf Air plans to open Geneva (and Rome, Milan) in 2020, A321 NeoLR.

"… launch another two to three European destinations in 2020 as its premium-focused expansion continues. Geneva, Milan and Rome are currently under consideration. Gulf Air plans to launch New York, Kuala …"

Source: Capa

kimimm19 wrote:

I can't believe that AC has the 77W on the ZRH-YYZ route now! Not long ago it was a 789 and before that it was a 763...

Also, how is LX planning on accounting for this new route growth? I thought the whole point of introducing the 77W was to replace some a343s with the added perk of a capacity boost per flight...

The 2x 77W added to the fleet in 2020 are purely for expansion, not for replacement of other equipment. Obviously the airline will shift around aircrafttypes on routes to optimize as much as possible.

I also think that route optimization will take place on some level.
for example, the noon flight to ORD is daily, but not every day on 77W.
the one in the morning is also non-daily and on 333.

https://superconstellation.org/images/MV_4JUL_D.pdf

Information of the Extraordinary General Meeting of July 4, 2019

[...]

HB-RSC "Star of Switzerland" will be dismantled and relocated in the next few weeks.
Our Super Connie L-1049, incl. Inventory, will go - retroactive to July 1, 2019 - to a German
Investor group of aviation enthusiasts, which it has set itself the goal in the next three years
to rehabilitate her and bring her back into the air.
The investor group already owns several airworthy, historic aircraft. It takes over,
also on July 1, 2019 all costs in connection with our Connie
(Mechanic wages, hangar rivets, disassembly and transport costs, etc.) as well as all spare parts and
tools.

[...]

According to this article:
https://www.austrianwings.info/2019/07/ ... r-abheben/
the new owner is said to be:
https://www.meiermotors.com/