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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:28 pm

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Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


This makes sense, both CDG and AMS can/should be served from RDU, considering the large business market it is.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:33 pm

Fargo wrote:
thegreatRDU wrote:
Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


This makes sense, both CDG and AMS can/should be served from RDU, considering the large business market it is.


Plus AMS is a DL "hub" and I heard their partnership with KLM allows for some pretty good connections across Europe, particularly the U.K. (in addition to their VS partnership).
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:50 am

Rafale9312 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
thegreatRDU wrote:
Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


This makes sense, both CDG and AMS can/should be served from RDU, considering the large business market it is.


Plus AMS is a DL "hub" and I heard their partnership with KLM allows for some pretty good connections across Europe, particularly the U.K. (in addition to their VS partnership).


Plus, AMS is great to connect in (especially compared to CDG) and there is some long haul connections that are unavailable from either LHR or CDG.

Since DL is committing resources to building up RDU into a decent sized focus city, I see no reason why they shouldn’t launch AMS to supplement CDG.

RDU-AMS will happen within the next few years.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:28 am

But will it be DL or KLM? 757, 767, 787, 330? Does the 752 have the legs for it? I always thought FRA would be next.. but that truly would be DL last hub flight from RDU. Great news if true.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:04 am

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But will it be DL or KLM? 757, 767, 787, 330? Does the 752 have the legs for it? I always thought FRA would be next.. but that truly would be DL last hub flight from RDU. Great news if true.


DL on the 767 most likely, KLM only flies into DL’s actual hub markets (with the exception of BOS, because of its size).

LH to FRA I could see too, but if DL did AMS, it may be too much too soon. Plus, Star doesn’t have as big of a FF base at RDU compared to Skyteam and Oneworld. It may be a couple years.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:54 pm

A220s are coming to RDU as well. Destinations not known at this time, but I am still digging.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:30 pm

It would be nice to see Raleigh pick up some South American routes by Delta as well like Bogota or Panama.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:31 pm

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Does the 752 have the legs for it?

It should. RDU-AMS is only 14 miles longer than RDU-CDG which DL flew using the 757 before switching to 767.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:59 pm

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It would be nice to see Raleigh pick up some South American routes by Delta as well like Bogota or Panama.


I would like to see Copa
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:46 pm

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It would be nice to see Raleigh pick up some South American routes by Delta as well like Bogota or Panama.

DL doesn't want anything going in that direction to bypass ATL.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:16 am

And it shouldn’t. The only thing I can see happening in that direction in MEX and that is probably a stretch right now. RDU punches above its weight because it has a lot of business travel to and from. None of this business travel is going South. It’s Domestic, European, and the emerging Asian and South Asian Markets. We also punch well above our weight with disposable income and the propensity to travel. This helps, but is secondary to the lucrative business travel. And leisure travel to Mexico or the AM regional network (not being Cancun) is not high on people’s list of countries to experience. Taking this even further, South America is an extremely difficult market to make $ on, and I’d bet the farm on never seeing this in my lifetime.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:21 am

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A220s are coming to RDU as well. Destinations not known at this time, but I am still digging.

AUS should be one of those.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:59 am

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A220s are coming to RDU as well. Destinations not known at this time, but I am still digging.


I would guess LGA, BOS, and FLL
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:19 am

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And it shouldn’t. The only thing I can see happening in that direction in MEX and that is probably a stretch right now. RDU punches above its weight because it has a lot of business travel to and from. None of this business travel is going South. It’s Domestic, European, and the emerging Asian and South Asian Markets. We also punch well above our weight with disposable income and the propensity to travel. This helps, but is secondary to the lucrative business travel. And leisure travel to Mexico or the AM regional network (not being Cancun) is not high on people’s list of countries to experience. Taking this even further, South America is an extremely difficult market to make $ on, and I’d bet the farm on never seeing this in my lifetime.


Exactly. The DL focus city at RDU is about O&D business traffic to the places you mentioned. It is not and will never be a hub. There is no need for any Central/South American flights, the O&D is simply not there and DL can route that traffic through ATL.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:13 pm

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Exactly. The DL focus city at RDU is about O&D business traffic to the places you mentioned. It is not and will never be a hub. There is no need for any Central/South American flights, the O&D is simply not there and DL can route that traffic through ATL.


For the same reason, I always chuckle a bit when I hear of people speak about the potential for nonstop passenger service from RDU to Asia. The local cities and airport authority wanting it is one thing. The demand and the economics are something else altogether. I just do not see it happening anytime soon.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:18 pm

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For the same reason, I always chuckle a bit when I hear of people speak about the potential for nonstop passenger service from RDU to Asia. The local cities and airport authority wanting it is one thing. The demand and the economics are something else altogether. I just do not see it happening anytime soon.


Agreed. As much as I would love RDU to have nonstop to Asia, I just don't see it happening. Especially the talk to China... Even ATL, THEE mega DL hub in a similar geographic region, has been on and off for nonstop PVG flight (3rd time they are trying it now). I just don't see how RDU can support a China nonstop, despite the airport authority's wish.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:11 pm

MonAmQB wrote:
DL747400 wrote:
For the same reason, I always chuckle a bit when I hear of people speak about the potential for nonstop passenger service from RDU to Asia. The local cities and airport authority wanting it is one thing. The demand and the economics are something else altogether. I just do not see it happening anytime soon.


Agreed. As much as I would love RDU to have nonstop to Asia, I just don't see it happening. Especially the talk to China... Even ATL, THEE mega DL hub in a similar geographic region, has been on and off for nonstop PVG flight (3rd time they are trying it now). I just don't see how RDU can support a China nonstop, despite the airport authority's wish.


With Delta, I completely agree. Capacity is flooded from Chinese airlines and the US3 are even struggling to make $ on China flights from their large hubs. The outside chance is that a Chinese Carrier would try it. Subsidized by the government on their side, advertising $$$ and fee waivers from our side, and the much needed company contracts could entice someone to start it.

Sky Team partners from China are China Eastern and China Southern, with China Southern the red headed step child on the way out of the alliance. China Eastern's main hub is in Shanghai, which is not ideal for Lenovo in Beijing. They do claim a base in Beijing, but I'm far from an expert on their route network and ease of connections. One World seems to only have Cathay in Hong Kong, combined with American's limited number of RDU routes. Star Alliance at RDU is even worse.

The real question is if there are enough RDU-China business and investment links to warrant it. I don't think Lenovo is nearly enough, and I'm unfamiliar with any other large companies that could throw their weight around for this.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:20 pm

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Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


I'll believe it when I see it. What DL personnel did you speak with?
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:49 pm

According to Enrilia’s OAG, RDU has finally been caught up in AA’s domestic dehubbing. Down to 2x daily from 4x daily. That will hurt a lot of AA’s connecting traffic to India/Amman who don’t want to use LHR.
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:03 pm

So is RDU becoming "the next big hub / focus city" on the East Coast?
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:28 pm

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According to Enrilia’s OAG, RDU has finally been caught up in AA’s domestic dehubbing. Down to 2x daily from 4x daily. That will hurt a lot of AA’s connecting traffic to India/Amman who don’t want to use LHR.


To JFK? It’s probably better for everyone involved (American and the passengers) to avoid that double connection to India. Aside from saving a dreadful connection at an expensive airport like JFK, who else would they fly on One World to the Middle East for that 2 connection to India? I don’t think I’ve ever seen American/Qatar tickets ever showing up in a search, RDU-JFK-DOH-XXX.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:44 pm

ScrantonUSC wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
According to Enrilia’s OAG, RDU has finally been caught up in AA’s domestic dehubbing. Down to 2x daily from 4x daily. That will hurt a lot of AA’s connecting traffic to India/Amman who don’t want to use LHR.


To JFK? It’s probably better for everyone involved (American and the passengers) to avoid that double connection to India. Aside from saving a dreadful connection at an expensive airport like JFK, who else would they fly on One World to the Middle East for that 2 connection to India? I don’t think I’ve ever seen American/Qatar tickets ever showing up in a search, RDU-JFK-DOH-XXX.


Not smart on AA's part, they have some sizable NYC feed from RDU

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:49 pm

Looking ahead at Delta probably adding ATL-BOM in the future, how much of a negative effect will this have on the RDU-CDG flight? If terminating in India, I’d much rather connect in ATL than the nightmare that is CDG. Though Air France does fly to DEL also. I’m just not sure if the impact would be minimal or significant on the RDU-CDG flight.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:50 pm

I remember DL wanted to upgauge AUS with a 717 but later cancelled plans to do so in 2018. It still looks like G7/9E will be operating the route through the summer, but I wonder if DL will plan the upgauge at all.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:51 pm

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ScrantonUSC wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
According to Enrilia’s OAG, RDU has finally been caught up in AA’s domestic dehubbing. Down to 2x daily from 4x daily. That will hurt a lot of AA’s connecting traffic to India/Amman who don’t want to use LHR.


To JFK? It’s probably better for everyone involved (American and the passengers) to avoid that double connection to India. Aside from saving a dreadful connection at an expensive airport like JFK, who else would they fly on One World to the Middle East for that 2 connection to India? I don’t think I’ve ever seen American/Qatar tickets ever showing up in a search, RDU-JFK-DOH-XXX.


Not smart on AA's part, they have some sizable NYC feed from RDU



Interesting. Thanks for posting the graphic.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:31 pm

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I remember DL wanted to upgauge AUS with a 717 but later cancelled plans to do so in 2018. It still looks like G7/9E will be operating the route through the summer, but I wonder if DL will plan the upgauge at all.

I think that was mainly due to the delay in the A220's. I firmly believe as production is ramped up and more get delivered, you will see them quite frequently in RDU.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:20 am

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thegreatRDU wrote:
Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


I'll believe it when I see it. What DL personnel did you speak with?


I talked to Customer Service Agents and a CSR Manager, I also talked to a Ramp agent.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:23 am

My move to Raleigh is official. I will be a resident as of April 4th. I already have my first two flights out of RDU booked :-)
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:22 pm

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Noise wrote:
thegreatRDU wrote:
Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


I'll believe it when I see it. What DL personnel did you speak with?


I talked to Customer Service Agents and a CSR Manager, I also talked to a Ramp agent.

None of those roles have insider knowledge for such a high level decision. It is likely a Manager gave their opinion and it spread from there.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:28 pm

thegreatRDU wrote:
Noise wrote:
thegreatRDU wrote:
Hey Guys I talked to some some DL RDU personnel and they said AMS will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Thoughts?


I'll believe it when I see it. What DL personnel did you speak with?


I talked to Customer Service Agents and a CSR Manager, I also talked to a Ramp agent.


None of those individuals carry any knowledge on route growth. Also, why would RDU see an AMS flight before other hubs in the region? Especially when this route would be mostly O&D.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:49 pm

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My 2019 RDU prediction
- 1 new airline
- 3 new destinations
- Start of Vision 2040 (parking)
- LHR shift to 787


My prediction in January, some have come true...

- Spirit announced
- Frontier announces some New destinations
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- uhhhhh

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:03 am

I see Delta adding Amsterdam only if they adjacently add Pittsburgh - Amsterdam. That would enable a Boeing 757-200 to be used at max usage.
It's a possibility since the Pittsburgh market has improved during the past years and DAL might want to resume Trans-Atlantic routes from that area.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:04 am

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I see Delta adding Amsterdam only if they adjacently add Pittsburgh - Amsterdam. That would enable a Boeing 757-200 to be used at max usage.
It's a possibility since the Pittsburgh market has improved during the past years and DAL might want to resume Trans-Atlantic routes from that area.


Not related to RDU, but PIT-CDG ended last year....
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:14 am

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I see Delta adding Amsterdam only if they adjacently add Pittsburgh - Amsterdam. That would enable a Boeing 757-200 to be used at max usage.
It's a possibility since the Pittsburgh market has improved during the past years and DAL might want to resume Trans-Atlantic routes from that area.

Why would DL have to add PIT-AMS if they wanted to add RDU-AMS also? DL would likely get trash yields at PIT like they did with CDG, hence why the flight ended up being dropped. Plus there’s already BA to LHR year-round and DE to FRA seasonally. The airport wants both to mature before adding anything else, especially the former which hasn’t even started yet.

DL could launch RDU-AMS on its own. It would likely be on a B763 from the start like TPA-AMS will.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:47 am

DL could launch AMS on their own but it would probably be better if they got some of their JV partners to do the work for them.. KLM could use a 787.. AM could use a E190 for MEX, WJ could use a Q400 for YYZ or a 73G for YYC, or GOL could do a 3 weekly flight down south.. but none of this seems to be a big priority... so I’d just be happy for some upguages of CRJ/7/9 flights, a Delta hangar and MRO on site, and New destination every 9-12 months...
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:31 pm

RDU to Brazil nonstop is really far fetched. It's more likely that DL will start a flight to MEX with an A319 to connect RDU with Latin America on SkyTeam.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:35 pm

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RDU to Brazil nonstop is really far fetched. It's more likely that DL will start a flight to MEX with an A319 to connect RDU with Latin America on SkyTeam.


Agreed, RDU-MEX would IMO be a great idea. Most of the Latin American demand from the Raleigh area is to Mexico, and there is some decent O&D numbers to MEX itself already. I could imagine AM doing well with a DL codeshare and good timing for Mexican domestic connections.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:55 pm

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RDU to Brazil nonstop is really far fetched. It's more likely that DL will start a flight to MEX with an A319 to connect RDU with Latin America on SkyTeam.


I agree, I think AM or even DL to MEX is far more reasonable and realistic for getting RDU traffic to Central America. Most South American traffic will continue to be funneled through ATL.

I think RDU-AMS is somewhat inevitable, I'm not sure if KLM would be the one to start it since the smallest plane they have that can do the route is the A330/B787. I'd actually expect DL to start with the 757 just to test the waters and eventually upgrade to the 767 once sufficient yields/loads are reached.

All that being said, I don't see this happening until RDU gets their new 11,500 ft runway built.
 
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Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:09 pm

I thought I read somewhere that a lot of traffic comes from San Salvador or Panama City.. but I could be wrong.. and I only said GOL because they are a closer and a partner airline
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Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:26 pm

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I thought I read somewhere that a lot of traffic comes from San Salvador or Panama City.. but I could be wrong.. and I only said GOL because they are a closer and a partner airline
The RDU area doesn't have a large Brazilian population like say, Miami or Orlando, so it would be hard to justify and carrier flying RDU to Brazil, especially since they're economy isn't doing so hot. If RDU wants Latin America connectivity, I think DL to MEX is the best option.
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Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:33 pm

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None of those individuals carry any knowledge on route growth. Also, why would RDU see an AMS flight before other hubs in the region? Especially when this route would be mostly O&D.


Umm yeah....no, AMS is a KL hub.
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Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:36 pm

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All that being said, I don't see this happening until RDU gets their new 11,500 ft runway built.


You can forget about that. The FAA shortened both RDU and CLTs runway proposals to 10,000ft.

In reality, with modern day airplanes and low altitude, 10,000 is good for just about any jet operation. RDU or CLT are unlikely to see TPAC operations any time soon. And if the space shuttle needs an alternate, there's always ISO.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:43 pm

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I thought I read somewhere that a lot of traffic comes from San Salvador or Panama City.. but I could be wrong.. and I only said GOL because they are a closer and a partner airline


Most of that traffic can easily flow through ATL and MIA, which would make a CM flight rather redundant. The missing link in the RDU network has IMO always been RDU-secondary Mexican cities, a market in which a well-timed MEX flight would fill.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:33 pm

DL RDU-MEX won’t happen. Many seem to forget MEX is slot controlled. DL won’t use a slot when they could funnel through ATL. You have a better chance of Copa starting 3-4x/weekly.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:43 pm

I greatly appreciate this forum. Surprised very little mention of the parking news - rate increases in all lots, plus a new lot opening up.

My brother was talking to Mike Landguth this weekend at an airport executives conference, and he didn't spill anything about upcoming destinations. For those wanting AMS, I have to ask this - is CDG full? (and LHR for that matter)? and can this market support it? I think folks going to India would benefit from Amsterdam (and actually, it opens up a lot of Africa, as those flights usually go through AMS).

To be honest, if I had a wish list, I'd love to see SJC, and while I haven't flown there, PDX does make sense.

Keep one other thing in mind before you send a million construction trucks to RDU to rebuild the runway and add on to the terminal. Aviation Parkway interchange is under construction, and I expect that the Airport Boulevard intersection construction will start shortly, as well. These projects are going to go on for a couple of years, and I think will greatly improve the gateway to RDU.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:02 pm

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I greatly appreciate this forum. Surprised very little mention of the parking news - rate increases in all lots, plus a new lot opening up.

My brother was talking to Mike Landguth this weekend at an airport executives conference, and he didn't spill anything about upcoming destinations. For those wanting AMS, I have to ask this - is CDG full? (and LHR for that matter)? and can this market support it? I think folks going to India would benefit from Amsterdam (and actually, it opens up a lot of Africa, as those flights usually go through AMS).

Don’t forget it’s not about if a plane is full. It’s all about yield. You can fly a full plane and lose money. RDU-CDG was Delta’s second highest yielding route last summer, I think I read.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:45 am

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For those wanting AMS, I have to ask this - is CDG full? (and LHR for that matter)? and can this market support it? I think folks going to India would benefit from Amsterdam (and actually, it opens up a lot of Africa, as those flights usually go through AMS).


Like it was said above, it is about yield. The plane can be 60% LF and as long as the yields are high, it will make money.

Yes, RDU could support AMS on a DL 757 or 767. It is a big enough market and DL has a decent sized and growing focus city at the airport. CDG and AMS complement each other well. IMO, DL ought to serve both CDG and AMS from all of its hubs/focus cities.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:20 am

“RDU-CDG was Deltas second highest yielding route I think I read”.

Please substantiate that. In the whole world? Must not be much connecting traffic, which would likely tamp down yield.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:47 pm

ncflyer wrote:
“RDU-CDG was Deltas second highest yielding route I think I read”.

Please substantiate that. In the whole world? Must not be much connecting traffic, which would likely tamp down yield.


It was a Delta quarterly performance call now that I am thinking about it. If you go back and look at last year’s RDU thread, the date of the call is likely there. I don’t work for DL, so I don’t know how much is O&D or connecting.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:01 pm

I’m sure skeptical of that but if it was in an earnings call, I suppose that could be true.

What hard to factor on these threads is— it’s not that RDU-AMS is a doable route economically, it’s that it’s better than any other route Delta could consider for placing an asset worth tens of millions of dollars. There’s no routes/additional frequencies out of ATL JFK DTW etc that would be better? That’s why none of us are in route planning and rumors from local employees are just that.
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