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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:54 pm
by rajincajun01
ERJ170 wrote:
Looks like Via Air pushes back again to late June due to pilot shortage. Who thinks they are likely to launch service at all? And WHEN is Westjet or AM gonna arrive?


Via isn’t even hiring for RDU like it is for PIT and other stations it has opened. I doubt you’ll see them other than charters. They have 2-3 E145s daily just sitting in the cargo area at AUS.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:29 pm
by csweet
rajincajun01 wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
Looks like Via Air pushes back again to late June due to pilot shortage. Who thinks they are likely to launch service at all? And WHEN is Westjet or AM gonna arrive?


Via isn’t even hiring for RDU like it is for PIT and other stations it has opened. I doubt you’ll see them other than charters. They have 2-3 E145s daily just sitting in the cargo area at AUS.


Via Air is garbage, with a terrible structure and awful reliability. With AC coming in hot, WS might see how that route performs and then make a decision. Lots of unserved markets in the Southeast from WS .

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:22 pm
by ScrantonUSC
AC is very competitive with pricing to Europe, and I assume a significant chunk of their traffic originating from RDU takes advantage of this to connect to Europe. This won’t be a possibility for West Jet. My amateur and uninformed opinion is that West Jet would be crazy to go up against AC now after the recent expansions at RDU.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:41 am
by ERJ170
So a couple of things.. (1) seems like AC has reverted their E75 to RDU to 4x CRJ this summer. Uhmm.. that’s an interesting change... (2) another question is with the new Western built hangars, does anyone think one of the airlines (major or regional) will take one of the 34K or 31K hangars? (3) Spirit starting soon is cool but Terminal 1 gate rehab cant some soon enough. F9 looks to be getting 2, Spirit with 1.. I guess Allegiant gets 1.. that’s all 4... perhaps there is a need to expand to a couple more gates? And does this free up DL for more gates? (4) United club.. could this mean more flights or a Star Alliance partner.. that’s what other airports seem to think about their new club and/or new gates.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:46 am
by Rafale9312
ERJ170 wrote:
So a couple of things.. (1) seems like AC has reverted their E75 to RDU to 4x CRJ this summer. Uhmm.. that’s an interesting change... (2) another question is with the new Western built hangars, does anyone think one of the airlines (major or regional) will take one of the 34K or 31K hangars? (3) Spirit starting soon is cool but Terminal 1 gate rehab cant some soon enough. F9 looks to be getting 2, Spirit with 1.. I guess Allegiant gets 1.. that’s all 4... perhaps there is a need to expand to a couple more gates? And does this free up DL for more gates? (4) United club.. could this mean more flights or a Star Alliance partner.. that’s what other airports seem to think about their new club and/or new gates.


1. Doing a dummy booking, it looks like the E75s come back 3x daily starting Sep. 1. AC probably wants to prioritize frequency for connections over first class availability at RDU for the summer.
2. I doubt an airline will take the Western hangars as those are supposed to be all corporate hangars. Even if an airline, say DL, F9, or even a generic MRO; really wanted a hangar at RDU, they would more likely pay SAS to move their aviation ops to one of the new Western hangars, as supposedly the hangar they are in now was originally built to support AA operations when the RDU hub was a thing; plus it'll be cheaper to renovate that particular hangar for such purpose as it is already sufficient in size to fit a 737/A320-sized plane or possibly 2 RJ's along with whatever maintenance equipment would be required.
3. Further gate expansion probably won't come until after the 5L/23R runway gets replaced, unless they decide to expand T1 on the northern side in the interim, which probably won't be needed until the time comes for T2 to get expanded.
4. Who knows? Having access to a club doesn't usually guarantee anything other than more corporate travelers to existing destinations. While I'm not saying that Star Alliance partner flights aren't possible, it isn't very likely.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:05 pm
by ScrantonUSC
Just throwing this out there, but could Air Canada have had any pull in getting the lounge here? They did just ramp up here considerably, and those Toronto flights now have J. The United Club is still a head scratcher for me.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:20 pm
by Rafale9312
ScrantonUSC wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but could Air Canada have had any pull in getting the lounge here? They did just ramp up here considerably, and those Toronto flights now have J. The United Club is still a head scratcher for me.


I'm certain that this had a role in United establishing a club here, but United themselves have been quietly increasing flights to their hubs and more flights are being converted to mainline, plus I think they catch a lot of business traffic between RDU and SFO given the Research Triangle Park's heavy tech presence.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:16 pm
by ERJ170
So, Spirit flights started today and AA Phoenix flight starts tomorrow. Does anyone know how it went?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 2:32 pm
by ERJ170
In the 24 hours of 02-03May19, 16 flights launched at RDU by Spirit, Frontier, and American. In addition, Frontier seasonal flights started. The CEO of Spirit was in attendance. He stated he sees additional flights coming from RDU based on the strong initial response. So where will those flights go or would they be additional frequencies?

In addition, the United Club should be opening in the next few months and a few months after that, the Terminal 1 gates will open where F9 will have 2 tarmac loading gates and Spirit will have a (or 2) gates(s). And Allegiant will move over (and should require at least 1 gate).

That will free up 3 gates in T2 so here hoping for expansion or another airline.

So, that’s all. A question and an update.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 3:40 pm
by jplatts
ERJ170 wrote:
In the 24 hours of 02-03May19, 16 flights launched at RDU by Spirit, Frontier, and American. In addition, Frontier seasonal flights started. The CEO of Spirit was in attendance. He stated he sees additional flights coming from RDU based on the strong initial response. So where will those flights go or would they be additional frequencies?


NK is likely to add RDU-DFW and RDU-LAS nonstop service since DFW and LAS are two of the largest NK stations that don't yet have nonstop service out of RDU on NK.

Other less likely possible adds by NK out of RDU include RDU-RSW, RDU-IAH, RDU-LAX, and RDU-EWR.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 4:59 pm
by Indy
Arrived in RDU last night. Took the DL agent about 10 minutes to properly dock the jet bridge with the jet. Lots of do overs. Was pretty funny. Unfortunately some pax failed to see the humor in it

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:59 pm
by RDUDDJI
ERJ170 wrote:
In the 24 hours of 02-03May19, 16 flights launched at RDU by Spirit, Frontier, and American. In addition, Frontier seasonal flights started. The CEO of Spirit was in attendance. He stated he sees additional flights coming from RDU based on the strong initial response. So where will those flights go or would they be additional frequencies?

In addition, the United Club should be opening in the next few months and a few months after that, the Terminal 1 gates will open where F9 will have 2 tarmac loading gates and Spirit will have a (or 2) gates(s). And Allegiant will move over (and should require at least 1 gate).

That will free up 3 gates in T2 so here hoping for expansion or another airline.

So, that’s all. A question and an update.


I’ve noticed that DL fares on RDU-DTW have plummeted. Used to be around $800 a week or two out. I just booked it for under $300 R/T two weeks from now.

Obviously that’s great for consumers, but I wonder if all these ULCC routes are going to cause other airlines to cut/delay service as their yields erode.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:01 pm
by Indy
ERJ170 wrote:
You can always get IND2RDU.. I’d be surprised if that is taken


Done. It will arrive in a few weeks :)

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:52 pm
by rajincajun01
Indy wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
You can always get IND2RDU.. I’d be surprised if that is taken


Done. It will arrive in a few weeks :)

How do you change your username?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:54 pm
by Indy
rajincajun01 wrote:
Indy wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
You can always get IND2RDU.. I’d be surprised if that is taken


Done. It will arrive in a few weeks :)

How do you change your username?


Talking about my license plate :)

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:15 pm
by jetpixx
I dropped my wife and son off for a flight to Orlando at 5 a.m. I know it's fairly common for many aircraft to be on remote stands in the morning. However, I was surprised to see how many were at RDU. Does anyone know exactly how many aircraft RON at RDU?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:44 pm
by RDUDDJI
jetpixx wrote:
I dropped my wife and son off for a flight to Orlando at 5 a.m. I know it's fairly common for many aircraft to be on remote stands in the morning. However, I was surprised to see how many were at RDU. Does anyone know exactly how many aircraft RON at RDU?


There's quite a few. Even more now park over N and S of T1 because there's not enough room on the T2 ramp (and parts of it are being rehabbed). I recall many years ago over at Terminal A, United Express (mix of CRJ and 146) and Air Canada (CRJ or A320) had 8 RONs but only two and one half gates (one was shared with HP). Parking got creative during IROPS.

I hear that AA has to tow planes from T2 to T1 and vice versa and it takes over 30 minutes, because they have to tow in the tugs lowest gear (per mgmt).

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:55 pm
by william
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 4:11 pm
by CanesFan
william wrote:
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?


42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 6:52 pm
by rajincajun01
Whiskey River BBQ is a good place to scope out as well.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm
by Noise
CanesFan wrote:
william wrote:
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?


42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.


No it's not.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm
by Noise
rajincajun01 wrote:
Whiskey River BBQ is a good place to scope out as well.


It's meh. Better than 42nd Street Oyster Bar though.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 pm
by CanesFan
Noise wrote:
CanesFan wrote:
william wrote:
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?


42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.


No it's not.


To each their own I guess.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 8:54 pm
by LovePrunesAnet
CanesFan wrote:
william wrote:
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?


42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.


taxi to Angus Barn at one of the entrances to the airport. Amazing food & experience the times I have been when visiting.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 9:21 pm
by Noise
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
CanesFan wrote:
william wrote:
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?


42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.


taxi to Angus Barn at one of the entrances to the airport. Amazing food & experience the times I have been when visiting.


If you have a three-hour layover in RDU, you're actually probably better off leaving the airport and yes, going to Angus Barn or heading over to Brier Creek and checking out some of the restaurants there. Dining options at RDU are...underwhelming. 42nd Street Oyster Bar isn't good, and Whisker River BBQ is "passable". You're probably better off going off-airport.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 pm
by RDUDDJI
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
CanesFan wrote:
william wrote:
I have a three hour layover in RDU (thanks AA) other than head to Club what else is there to do at RDU?


42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.


taxi to Angus Barn at one of the entrances to the airport. Amazing food & experience the times I have been when visiting.


No way to enjoy the Angus Barn in only 1-1.5 hrs (assuming travel and rescreening time) I'm afraid. However, it's an epic experience if you've never been!

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 10:59 pm
by Noise
RDUDDJI wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
CanesFan wrote:

42nd St. Oyster Bar in the terminal is pretty good.


taxi to Angus Barn at one of the entrances to the airport. Amazing food & experience the times I have been when visiting.


No way to enjoy the Angus Barn in only 1-1.5 hrs (assuming travel and rescreening time) I'm afraid. However, it's an epic experience if you've never been!


1.5 Hours should be enough, no?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:32 am
by william
Thanks for the replies and suggestions. Believe it or not AA had us in RDU for 8 hours connecting to the London flight. The AA yield computers were merciful and rescheduled us, so now we have only 3 hours in RDU.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 1:56 pm
by RDUDDJI
Noise wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:

taxi to Angus Barn at one of the entrances to the airport. Amazing food & experience the times I have been when visiting.


No way to enjoy the Angus Barn in only 1-1.5 hrs (assuming travel and rescreening time) I'm afraid. However, it's an epic experience if you've never been!


1.5 Hours should be enough, no?


Well, not for a first timer! :D Gotta have a drink at the Wild Turkey lounge, check out the gun collection, then have dinner, then take a tour of the wine cellar, then get a cigar from the humidor and go smoke it in the "meat locker" (their cigar bar that you have to go through the kitchen to get to). I figure you need at least 2.5-3hr to experience it properly. ;) When we take the kids (skipping the bar and cigars) and just have dinner it takes close to 1.5hr. Even with reservation sometimes it takes 10-15min to get seated. It's a really big restaurant.

Wonderful place. Certainly one of my favorite restaurants anywhere. Their food is great and the customer service is top notch. We took my mom there for her 70th bday and they invited the grandkids to come back in the kitchen and decorate a cake for her (for free). It experiences like that that keep peeps coming back.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:28 pm
by LovePrunesAnet
Noise wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
LovePrunesAnet wrote:

taxi to Angus Barn at one of the entrances to the airport. Amazing food & experience the times I have been when visiting.


No way to enjoy the Angus Barn in only 1-1.5 hrs (assuming travel and rescreening time) I'm afraid. However, it's an epic experience if you've never been!


1.5 Hours should be enough, no?


I think 1.5 hrs on an "expedited" Angus Barn excursion is better than most of the other choices inside the airport, an airline club, or any chain restaurant in the nearby shopping areas. I mean even if you only get 75% of the experience due to a time crunch, that's still a damn good experience! Depends on time of day for TSA lines.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:38 pm
by casinterest
I can't argue against the Angus Barn,but 1.5 hours is a bit close. If the flight arrives early, it makes it a bit better. Just choose the Wild Turkey Lounge for the meal and drinks to expedite.
If you choose to stay in the airport. The Carolina Ale House is ok, but they don't have all the great local beer that you can get at the outside airport locations.

Below is the page for all the concourse restaurants so you can choose. You will be in Terminal 2

https://www.rdu.com/shops-and-restaurants/dining/

Also,
Angus Barn.

http://www.angusbarn.com/menu.html

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:08 pm
by Indy
I live maybe 2 miles from the Angus Barn :)

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:19 pm
by Noise
casinterest wrote:
I can't argue against the Angus Barn,but 1.5 hours is a bit close. If the flight arrives early, it makes it a bit better. Just choose the Wild Turkey Lounge for the meal and drinks to expedite.
If you choose to stay in the airport. The Carolina Ale House is ok, but they don't have all the great local beer that you can get at the outside airport locations.

Below is the page for all the concourse restaurants so you can choose. You will be in Terminal 2

https://www.rdu.com/shops-and-restaurants/dining/

Also,
Angus Barn.

http://www.angusbarn.com/menu.html


Honestly, there are no good airport dining options at RDU.

Do yourself a favor and go off-airport. 42nd Street Oyster bar isn't good at all, Whiskey River is "meh" and Carolina Ale House is also a pretty poor option.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:36 pm
by casinterest
Noise wrote:
casinterest wrote:
I can't argue against the Angus Barn,but 1.5 hours is a bit close. If the flight arrives early, it makes it a bit better. Just choose the Wild Turkey Lounge for the meal and drinks to expedite.
If you choose to stay in the airport. The Carolina Ale House is ok, but they don't have all the great local beer that you can get at the outside airport locations.

Below is the page for all the concourse restaurants so you can choose. You will be in Terminal 2

https://www.rdu.com/shops-and-restaurants/dining/

Also,
Angus Barn.

http://www.angusbarn.com/menu.html


Honestly, there are no good airport dining options at RDU.

Do yourself a favor and go off-airport. 42nd Street Oyster bar isn't good at all, Whiskey River is "meh" and Carolina Ale House is also a pretty poor option.


They are all good . This is an airport, not a dining location. 3 hours is not generally enough time to leave any airport for a meal.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:46 am
by Indy
Sorry but RDU is pretty bad on the dining side. Babymoon Italian restaurant is very close and really good

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:57 pm
by casinterest
Indy wrote:
Sorry but RDU is pretty bad on the dining side. Babymoon Italian restaurant is very close and really good


Airport food is airport food. If you are going to go out to babymoon, might as well go to Relish

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 10:13 pm
by ERJ170
So other than airport food.. any other news or rumors? I see Spirit appears to be doing well. Hopefully the United Club will be opening soon? T1 gates on track? How the construction at the old Ram Air Frieghtnlocation.. it’s going to be more RON parking, yes?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 10:19 pm
by Fargo
When is construction scheduled to start on some of the Vision 2040 projects, like the runway and CONRAC?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:15 pm
by casinterest
Fargo wrote:
When is construction scheduled to start on some of the Vision 2040 projects, like the runway and CONRAC?


The runway is listed as Ongoing in the budget, and when driving buy, I have noticed some big piles of Cement being piled up on the southwest side of the airport, but this may be from the Aprons.

http://www.rdu.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... 3-06-1.pdf

Conrac shows as money allocated already, but that may be design.

Terminal 1 has the new 4 gates listed as well as the opening of the existing gates 1-4, so it does appear that growth is going to force Terminal 1 to expand prior to completion of the runway work.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:28 am
by ERJ170
So T1 is getting 8 gates (4 reactivated, 4 new) for Spirit (2 gates), Frontier (1? 2? 3? tarmac gates), Allegiant (1 gate), Via Air (0 gates because they won’t actually start), and 2-5 gates for expansion? Is the plan for B6 to move?

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:18 pm
by casinterest
ERJ170 wrote:
So T1 is getting 8 gates (4 reactivated, 4 new) for Spirit (2 gates), Frontier (1? 2? 3? tarmac gates), Allegiant (1 gate), Via Air (0 gates because they won’t actually start), and 2-5 gates for expansion? Is the plan for B6 to move?


B6 makes the most sense to move. They only fly domsestically, and the only reason they are in T2 is they used to codeshare with AA.
Spirit and Alleginant also make sense.

Frontier? I think they belong more in T2 as they do more international flying.

ViaAir---This seems like a front for money laundering.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:55 pm
by rajincajun01
casinterest wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
So T1 is getting 8 gates (4 reactivated, 4 new) for Spirit (2 gates), Frontier (1? 2? 3? tarmac gates), Allegiant (1 gate), Via Air (0 gates because they won’t actually start), and 2-5 gates for expansion? Is the plan for B6 to move?


B6 makes the most sense to move. They only fly domsestically, and the only reason they are in T2 is they used to codeshare with AA.
Spirit and Alleginant also make sense.

Frontier? I think they belong more in T2 as they do more international flying.

ViaAir---This seems like a front for money laundering.

You forget that Charter Express handles all of those airlines until recently. B6 just changed ramp service companies. Talking to the former B6 GM, he said corporate did not want the image of them being a LCC, as that is what T1 was supposed to become a home for.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:30 am
by ERJ170
Looks like Spirit will take 1 gate.. Allegiant will take 1.. and Frontier will have 2 walkout gates.. I’m assuming Frontier will have more than 2 parking spots at their 2 gates.. and I assume Spirit will share Allegiant’s gate since they won’t be using it all day.. but that’s the news there is..

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:30 am
by ERJ170
Duplicate. Pls delete

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 1:32 am
by Rafale9312
ERJ170 wrote:
Looks like Spirit will take 1 gate.. Allegiant will take 1.. and Frontier will have 2 walkout gates.. I’m assuming Frontier will have more than 2 parking spots at their 2 gates.. and I assume Spirit will share Allegiant’s gate since they won’t be using it all day.. but that’s the news there is..


Tentative starting date for operations in Terminal 1 appears to be on April 1st, 2020. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230481579.html

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:44 am
by Rafale9312
Just after casually looking at the daily arrivals/departures on FR24, I noticed something peculiar with Allegiant. Upon further research, looking at Allegiant's route map and through dummy-booking, it looks like RDU has lost service to PIE and VPS, and all other services to MSY, PGD, and MSY are M/F only, along with SJU being winter-only. I understand the nature of which Allegiant operates, but to suspend two destinations (both of which are major stations) and reduce all other destinations to 2/weekly, I wonder if they're maybe inching closer to leave RDU all together. I guess it shouldn't be too surprising with the arrival of Spirit and the substantial build-up of Frontier, the latter of which serves pretty much the same destinations as Allegiant more often on a more consistent basis in comparison.

Aside from Allegiant, Triangle Business Journal articles seems to indicate that Spirit may be looking to expand service at RDU with CEO Ted Christie at the launch of services (which is apparently rare) commenting that the first seven destinations are "just the beginning." https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2019/05/02/spirit-ceo-seven-rdu-destinations-is-just-the.html

Meanwhile, Frontier's winter schedule is expected to be released within a month, which will allegedly be a "consolidation of existing services," at least at RDU, by expanding flights to some and what I can only assume/speculate as leaving the destinations that are "redundant" to Frontier's network. In summary, Frontier growth is still planned at RDU, but just won't be as spectacular as in other announcements, but growth none-the-less. https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2019/05/21/frontier-airlines-exec-what-to-expect-from-our-rdu.html

Thoughts? Let the speculation begin!

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:18 am
by AVLAirlineFreq
Rafale9312 wrote:
Just after casually looking at the daily arrivals/departures on FR24, I noticed something peculiar with Allegiant. Upon further research, looking at Allegiant's route map and through dummy-booking, it looks like RDU has lost service to PIE and VPS, and all other services to MSY, PGD, and MSY are M/F only, along with SJU being winter-only. [/url]


RDU-VPS was always an odd route to me. People in central NC have so many beach destinations within an easy drive, and unlike so many other Southern and Midwest markets there's no real historical vacation ties to the Florida Panhandle.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 1:54 pm
by Rafale9312
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Rafale9312 wrote:
Just after casually looking at the daily arrivals/departures on FR24, I noticed something peculiar with Allegiant. Upon further research, looking at Allegiant's route map and through dummy-booking, it looks like RDU has lost service to PIE and VPS, and all other services to MSY, PGD, and MSY are M/F only, along with SJU being winter-only. [/url]


RDU-VPS was always an odd route to me. People in central NC have so many beach destinations within an easy drive, and unlike so many other Southern and Midwest markets there's no real historical vacation ties to the Florida Panhandle.


True, the Outer Banks and Wilmington are very popular with us, and while I've never been to Destin/Fort Walton, I don't imagine it being that much different to the NC coast and what it has to offer.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:19 pm
by sw733
Rafale9312 wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Rafale9312 wrote:
Just after casually looking at the daily arrivals/departures on FR24, I noticed something peculiar with Allegiant. Upon further research, looking at Allegiant's route map and through dummy-booking, it looks like RDU has lost service to PIE and VPS, and all other services to MSY, PGD, and MSY are M/F only, along with SJU being winter-only. [/url]


RDU-VPS was always an odd route to me. People in central NC have so many beach destinations within an easy drive, and unlike so many other Southern and Midwest markets there's no real historical vacation ties to the Florida Panhandle.


True, the Outer Banks and Wilmington are very popular with us, and while I've never been to Destin/Fort Walton, I don't imagine it being that much different to the NC coast and what it has to offer.


Having done both, there isn't. Both are nice, but if I lived within a few hours of Outer Banks or Emerald Isle, I wouldn't likely spend money to fly to Destin.

Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:18 pm
by jbwhite99
I'm surprised that there is no mention of Via. Via has suspended all service outside of one route from Jackson, MS to Orlando.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/via-air ... ately.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViaAir

How will RDU survive without that oft-rumored but never flown flight from RDU to Birmingham? :mrgreen:

A different point - I have yet to see a bright yellow airplane in the sky - I live in Morrisville - so will have to look to see when southbound Spirit flights take off.