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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 7:25 pm

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I'm surprised that there is no mention of Via. Via has suspended all service outside of one route from Jackson, MS to Orlando.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/via-air ... ately.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViaAir

How will RDU survive without that oft-rumored but never flown flight from RDU to Birmingham? :mrgreen:

A different point - I have yet to see a bright yellow airplane in the sky - I live in Morrisville - so will have to look to see when southbound Spirit flights take off.


I have seen a few in the morning on the way to work . They are there. I still think via was a money laundering scheme.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 2:37 pm

Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 4:03 pm

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Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


I wouldn't be too worried about it, it was less-than-daily last winter.
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 4:04 pm

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thegreatRDU wrote:
Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


I wouldn't be too worried about it, it was less-than-daily last winter.


And it’s harder to fill a larger plane in the winter... they could downgrade it to a 757 daily but I am guessing cargo pushed it for the permanent 767???
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Tue May 28, 2019 5:17 pm

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Rafale9312 wrote:
thegreatRDU wrote:
Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


I wouldn't be too worried about it, it was less-than-daily last winter.


And it’s harder to fill a larger plane in the winter... they could downgrade it to a 757 daily but I am guessing cargo pushed it for the permanent 767???


That and demand for J I'd guess.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 7:46 pm

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Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


That's been the norm the last few years. More than anything I think they do it so they don't have to have an RDU based crew year round. One of the F/As on this flight told me that as long as it's flown 7 days a week they have to have a (small) crew base in RDU. But when it drops to 6x/week, they don't. So far they've been doing 7x/wk summer, and 6x winter.
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:19 pm

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Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


Delta is dropping almost EVERYONE's CDG flights to less than daily, it looks like....
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DL BOS-CDG NOV 1.0>0.7[0.7] DEC 1.0>0.7[0.7] JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL CDG-CVG NOV 1.0>0.7[0.8] DEC 1.0>0.6[0.9] JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL CDG-IND NOV 1.0>0.5[0.6] DEC 1.0>0.5[0.6] JAN 1.0>0.4[0.5] FEB 1.0>0.4[0.4]
DL CDG-LAX NOV 1.0>0.8[0.4] DEC 1.0>0.7[0.4] JAN 1.0>0.7[0.5] FEB 1.0>0.6[0.4]
DL CDG-RDU NOV 1.0>0.7[0.7] DEC 1.0>0.6[0.7] JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL CDG-SEA JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL CDG-SLC NOV 1.0>0.7[0.8] DEC 1.0>0.7[0.9] JAN 1.0>0.5[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.6[0.6]
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 1:04 am

Frontier is seasonally suspending Punta Cana, Dominican Republic and pulling the plug on Montego Bay, Jamaica.

"RDU to lose two international flights, airline confirms". Here is the link https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/ne ... s_headline. It's behind a paywall, but you can read the important message in the Bizjournals app.
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 2:40 am

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Frontier is seasonally suspending Punta Cana, Dominican Republic and pulling the plug on Montego Bay, Jamaica.

"RDU to lose two international flights, airline confirms". Here is the link https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/ne ... s_headline. It's behind a paywall, but you can read the important message in the Bizjournals app.


Punta Cana was announced as seasonal service before it started, so no worries there. Even though Montego Bay was among the top five international cities not served by anyone at RDU at one point, not really surprised to see this one disappear - O&D was never there to make even a couple weekly service work, and I was surprised to see it announced in the first place. Hopefully in the next season, RDU-Punta Cana can do well and we can keep that one. Plus, we have San Juan and Cancun that seem to stick around year-long (despite the latter typically being served on Saturdays only, which appears to be doing well on the surface considering that DL is using a 739 on this route now).
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 7:32 pm

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MonAmQB wrote:
Frontier is seasonally suspending Punta Cana, Dominican Republic and pulling the plug on Montego Bay, Jamaica.

"RDU to lose two international flights, airline confirms". Here is the link https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/ne ... s_headline. It's behind a paywall, but you can read the important message in the Bizjournals app.


Punta Cana was announced as seasonal service before it started, so no worries there. Even though Montego Bay was among the top five international cities not served by anyone at RDU at one point, not really surprised to see this one disappear - O&D was never there to make even a couple weekly service work, and I was surprised to see it announced in the first place. Hopefully in the next season, RDU-Punta Cana can do well and we can keep that one. Plus, we have San Juan and Cancun that seem to stick around year-long (despite the latter typically being served on Saturdays only, which appears to be doing well on the surface considering that DL is using a 739 on this route now).


The Caribbean from Raleigh never make too much sense. Connections are too easy through CLT, ATL, FLL, MCO, MIA, Any direct route, by a LCC is competing against loyalty point flyers for vacation flights.

A direct flight is great, but with the usually cheaper alternative flights, these flights are in trouble from the start as people are looking for multiple locations in the Caribbean , and not just one.

I would like to see a flight to Portland, and perhaps AMS.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 4:14 am

casinterest wrote:
Rafale9312 wrote:
MonAmQB wrote:
Frontier is seasonally suspending Punta Cana, Dominican Republic and pulling the plug on Montego Bay, Jamaica.

"RDU to lose two international flights, airline confirms". Here is the link https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/ne ... s_headline. It's behind a paywall, but you can read the important message in the Bizjournals app.


Punta Cana was announced as seasonal service before it started, so no worries there. Even though Montego Bay was among the top five international cities not served by anyone at RDU at one point, not really surprised to see this one disappear - O&D was never there to make even a couple weekly service work, and I was surprised to see it announced in the first place. Hopefully in the next season, RDU-Punta Cana can do well and we can keep that one. Plus, we have San Juan and Cancun that seem to stick around year-long (despite the latter typically being served on Saturdays only, which appears to be doing well on the surface considering that DL is using a 739 on this route now).


The Caribbean from Raleigh never make too much sense. Connections are too easy through CLT, ATL, FLL, MCO, MIA, Any direct route, by a LCC is competing against loyalty point flyers for vacation flights.

A direct flight is great, but with the usually cheaper alternative flights, these flights are in trouble from the start as people are looking for multiple locations in the Caribbean , and not just one.

I would like to see a flight to Portland, and perhaps AMS.


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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:57 pm

Not directly RDU related, but DL announced at JumpStart today that BOS has been upgraded to hub status and AUS, BNA, and SJC are all now considered focus cities alongside CVG and RDU.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... th-458669/

Would be nice if a daily SJC flight came out of this rather than the seasonal experiment WN is trying (for my own selfish travel reasons).
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:57 am

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Not directly RDU related, but DL announced at JumpStart today that BOS has been upgraded to hub status and AUS, BNA, and SJC are all now considered focus cities alongside CVG and RDU.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... th-458669/

Would be nice if a daily SJC flight came out of this rather than the seasonal experiment WN is trying (for my own selfish travel reasons).


RDU, BNA, and SJC - the three airports formerly known as AA hubs. WN did a great job taking over at SJC (and AS as well), and WN in BNA, but RDU has had to grow without another hub since Midway went under.

and RDUFlyer, thank you for the post and article.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:16 am

jbwhite99 wrote:
RDUflyer wrote:
Not directly RDU related, but DL announced at JumpStart today that BOS has been upgraded to hub status and AUS, BNA, and SJC are all now considered focus cities alongside CVG and RDU.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... th-458669/

Would be nice if a daily SJC flight came out of this rather than the seasonal experiment WN is trying (for my own selfish travel reasons).


RDU, BNA, and SJC - the three airports formerly known as AA hubs. WN did a great job taking over at SJC (and AS as well), and WN in BNA, but RDU has had to grow without another hub since Midway went under.

and RDUFlyer, thank you for the post and article.


Still waiting for another round of DL additions to RDU. Perhaps now SJC, PDX, SAN, MCI and AMS?
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:17 pm

The gate areas on the C side at the end of the concourse sure does get hectic when the AA London and Dl’s Paris flights (777 & 767) are boarding . Was there construction restraints on the width of the new concourse?
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:19 pm

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The gate areas on the C side at the end of the concourse sure does get hectic when the AA London and Dl’s Paris flights (777 & 767) are boarding . Was there construction restraints on the width of the new concourse?


Yes, due to the proximity of 5L-23R.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:52 pm

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william wrote:
The gate areas on the C side at the end of the concourse sure does get hectic when the AA London and Dl’s Paris flights (777 & 767) are boarding . Was there construction restraints on the width of the new concourse?


Yes, due to the proximity of 5L-23R.


The plan is to move 5L-23R out 500 feet, and then the terminal will be expanded out. It is tight, but i took the CDG flight a month ago, and we were delayed so LHR was gone when we started to board.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:04 pm

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Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


Was it daily last winter?
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:26 pm

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thegreatRDU wrote:
Looks like RDU-CDG is dropping to less-than-daily in the Winter...


Was it daily last winter?


No, it was 5x/weekly if I remember correctly.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:59 pm

I think less than daily is pretty normal to CDG in the winter. Maybe one day DL will split the traffic between CDG and AMS in the winter. Someone had proposed this for IND a while back. Seemed like an interesting idea but not sure DL would ever do it. The idea is to do something like 4x weekly to CDG and 3x weekly to AMS in the winter so international service remains daily overall. Then maybe daily to CDG in the summer and 3-4x weekly to AMS that same time.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 pm

Sorry this is a little off topic, however I am connecting at this airport from the AA London flight and wanted to ask how fast one can clear customs as I've 2 hours to catch my next flight. I appreciate the help! Also I've never heard of this airport before until i booked my ticket lol.
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:15 am

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Sorry this is a little off topic, however I am connecting at this airport from the AA London flight and wanted to ask how fast one can clear customs as I've 2 hours to catch my next flight. I appreciate the help! Also I've never heard of this airport before until i booked my ticket lol.


2 hours is no problem. It takes 40 minutes max to clear customers . Quicker if you use the mobile passport. The timing of the flight allows you to get back in the terminal quickly as well.

The flight can sometimes arrive up to 40 minutes early .
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:09 pm

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Okay. So I actually looked at Vision 2040.. looks like that general area will be a RON/hard stand area



Good article in the N&O today on it's construction.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/busin ... 23143.html

To make sure the planes are available first thing in the morning, airlines are keeping them at RDU overnight, and parking has gotten tight. In the wee hours of the morning, all 36 gates at Terminal 2 are occupied and another 20 planes are parked around the airport campus,
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Wow! Delta is parking a lot of planes. I agree that the need for RON is overdue. But, if they are gonna park that many planes, they should build a hangar and do some work on them while they are there. (sneaky grin) But I think, the gatespace issue is gonna be thrust in the spotlight sooner than later. I know they are opening 4 gates at T1 and that will free up 3 gates in T2 and 2 are already not used to capacity, but I still think it's gonna be sticky sooner than later. But oh well, good reads!
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:08 pm

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KingB123 wrote:
Sorry this is a little off topic, however I am connecting at this airport from the AA London flight and wanted to ask how fast one can clear customs as I've 2 hours to catch my next flight. I appreciate the help! Also I've never heard of this airport before until i booked my ticket lol.


2 hours is no problem. It takes 40 minutes max to clear customers . Quicker if you use the mobile passport. The timing of the flight allows you to get back in the terminal quickly as well.

The flight can sometimes arrive up to 40 minutes early .


Fantastic, thank you very much for your help!
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:55 am

Lots of temporary work to patch the runway on the Terminal 2 side: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local ... stage_lead
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:56 pm

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Lots of temporary work to patch the runway on the Terminal 2 side: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local ... stage_lead

I think I read that RDU was not approved to have a 11,500ft runway replacement; only 10,000.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:21 pm

Here's a story from a couple of days ago on RDU's 11th airline that never arrived, Via Air: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local ... 24518.html.

There's nothing in the story that most of us didn't already know (this business model was always going to be a pipe dream), but I think we can safely say Via is dead and buried when it comes to scheduled service.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:25 pm

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Lots of temporary work to patch the runway on the Terminal 2 side: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local ... stage_lead

I think I read that RDU was not approved to have a 11,500ft runway replacement; only 10,000.



I think that is what the FAA only approved as needed was a 10,000. This article still mentions the below information .
"The new runway will cost an estimated $350 million and will be 1,500 feet longer than the existing one, to ensure that a fully-loaded and fueled plane bound for Asia could safely take off. The amount RDU expects to spend patching the current runway was not available.

Sandifer said he doesn’t expect the Federal Aviation Administration will complete the environmental studies and give its blessing for the runway project until 2022. Construction is expected to take another three years, meaning the earliest planes will begin using the new runway will be 2025, he said."


RDU needs to build the longer runway for future growth. Asia will be flying more planes than the US by 2040, and I think RDU needs to be ready to make direct flights there.

RDU also needs to get 5R-23L lengthened to 10,000 feet as well. The current construction plan is highlighting the issue with only having one long runway.
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Don’t think 5R/23L can be 10000’ because of Umstead.
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Don’t think 5R/23L can be 10000’ because of Umstead.


Umstead doesn't encroach that much on 5R/23L, even if it did, there is plenty of room on the 5R end to go south ( over aviation pkwy ) , along with the northward move.
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"The new runway will cost an estimated $350 million and will be 1,500 feet longer than the existing one, to ensure that a fully-loaded and fueled plane bound for Asia could safely take off."

RDU needs to build the longer runway for future growth. Asia will be flying more planes than the US by 2040, and I think RDU needs to be ready to make direct flights there.


not trying to be rude, but if the #2 guy at the airport says the new runway (that's been shortened by FAA) will be long enough for a fully-loaded and fully-fueled plane can take off for Asia from it, why are you saying it needs to be longer than what they're planning to build (that will allow them to take off for Asia) ? Or am I misunderstanding your post? Seems like you're saying the shorter length represents not planning for future growth somehow?
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:33 am

I thought I read something a while back stating the FAA will not fund an extension of the runway to 11,500 ft and will only reconstruct the current at it's present length. The same went for CLT's proposed new 12,000 ft runway.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:59 am

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Don’t think 5R/23L can be 10000’ because of Umstead.


Umstead doesn't encroach that much on 5R/23L, even if it did, there is plenty of room on the 5R end to go south ( over aviation pkwy ) , along with the northward move.


What do you do with Aviation Pkway and Aviation Station then?

The cost of what your asking is huge as well, and RDU is very tight on funds with all these projects.

The north end is very close to Umstead and cannot be used for airport development.
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"The new runway will cost an estimated $350 million and will be 1,500 feet longer than the existing one, to ensure that a fully-loaded and fueled plane bound for Asia could safely take off."

RDU needs to build the longer runway for future growth. Asia will be flying more planes than the US by 2040, and I think RDU needs to be ready to make direct flights there.


not trying to be rude, but if the #2 guy at the airport says the new runway (that's been shortened by FAA) will be long enough for a fully-loaded and fully-fueled plane can take off for Asia from it, why are you saying it needs to be longer than what they're planning to build (that will allow them to take off for Asia) ? Or am I misunderstanding your post? Seems like you're saying the shorter length represents not planning for future growth somehow?

My point is that in high heat, as RDU takes on more flights, there may be a need for the full length of 11500, as full flights at MTOW still have to consider V1 rejection lengths, along with a margin for error. I think the 11500 foot length makes more sense if RDU and CLT do get Asia flights. It increases the margin for error, and allows for hiccups in procedure.

The FAA rejected the environmental studies, which I consider to be shortsighted. I could be wrong and 10,000 feet will be good forever,but on 100 + days that RDU and CLT sometime see, this could cause issues.

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What do you do with Aviation Pkway and Aviation Station then?

The cost of what your asking is huge as well, and RDU is very tight on funds with all these projects.

The north end is very close to Umstead and cannot be used for airport development.


Aviation parkway is well below the level of the runway. They can build a bridge over the highway. Just look at ATL and the southern runway. it goes over 285.

Aviation station is too far to the east to be on the runway path.

RDU will have to find funds, but they have extra passengers to do it with. The current growth is far above projections, and the 2040 plan already calls for 5R to be 9000 feet.

The authority will have to balance it out, as growth and cost are issues, but without Runways, the growth will never happen.



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I found the thread with the runway shortening.

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Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:05 pm

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What do you do with Aviation Pkway and Aviation Station then?

The cost of what your asking is huge as well, and RDU is very tight on funds with all these projects.

The north end is very close to Umstead and cannot be used for airport development.


Aviation parkway is well below the level of the runway. They can build a bridge over the highway. Just look at ATL and the southern runway. it goes over 285.

Aviation station is too far to the east to be on the runway path.

RDU will have to find funds, but they have extra passengers to do it with. The current growth is far above projections, and the 2040 plan already calls for 5R to be 9000 feet.

The authority will have to balance it out, as growth and cost are issues, but without Runways, the growth will never happen.


There is no where enough financial benefit to build a 1500’ long bridge strong enough for runway and taxiway operations. The terrain falls off quite drastically just before 5R. This would include a huge, lengthy, expensive environmental study as well.
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:15 pm

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rajincajun01 wrote:
What do you do with Aviation Pkway and Aviation Station then?

The cost of what your asking is huge as well, and RDU is very tight on funds with all these projects.

The north end is very close to Umstead and cannot be used for airport development.


Aviation parkway is well below the level of the runway. They can build a bridge over the highway. Just look at ATL and the southern runway. it goes over 285.

Aviation station is too far to the east to be on the runway path.

RDU will have to find funds, but they have extra passengers to do it with. The current growth is far above projections, and the 2040 plan already calls for 5R to be 9000 feet.

The authority will have to balance it out, as growth and cost are issues, but without Runways, the growth will never happen.


There is no where enough financial benefit to build a 1500’ long bridge strong enough for runway and taxiway operations. The terrain falls off quite drastically just before 5R. This would include a huge, lengthy, expensive environmental study as well.


It wouldn't have to be a 1500 foot long bridge. It would mostly be earth movement, and at some point it will be needed. As stated earlier, they are already expanding 5R to 9000 as part of the plan,. The extra 1000 to get it to 10000 foot could be pulled from either end of the runway.

The runway is the most important part of why an airport exists, and with the growth that RDU will see, at some point, they will need that length. The problem with the board at RDU is that they seem to wait until they have an emergency before they make a decision. They built and tore down pieces of Terminal A/1 that would be very useful at this point.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:19 pm

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Aviation parkway is well below the level of the runway. They can build a bridge over the highway. Just look at ATL and the southern runway. it goes over 285.

Aviation station is too far to the east to be on the runway path.

RDU will have to find funds, but they have extra passengers to do it with. The current growth is far above projections, and the 2040 plan already calls for 5R to be 9000 feet.

The authority will have to balance it out, as growth and cost are issues, but without Runways, the growth will never happen.


There is no where enough financial benefit to build a 1500’ long bridge strong enough for runway and taxiway operations. The terrain falls off quite drastically just before 5R. This would include a huge, lengthy, expensive environmental study as well.


It wouldn't have to be a 1500 foot long bridge. It would mostly be earth movement, and at some point it will be needed. As stated earlier, they are already expanding 5R to 9000 as part of the plan,. The extra 1000 to get it to 10000 foot could be pulled from either end of the runway.

The runway is the most important part of why an airport exists, and with the growth that RDU will see, at some point, they will need that length. The problem with the board at RDU is that they seem to wait until they have an emergency before they make a decision. They built and tore down pieces of Terminal A/1 that would be very useful at this point.


I think everyone here is aware of the importance of a runway to airports. 23L/5R being 10,000ft will not make or break RDU.

That being said RDUAA is among the worst for decision making. The bottleneck design of T2 security baffles me for a post 9/11 designed terminal. Same for making T1 so small and not ready for other carriers beyond WN with its technology.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:10 pm

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That being said RDUAA is among the worst for decision making. The bottleneck design of T2 security baffles me for a post 9/11 designed terminal. Same for making T1 so small and not ready for other carriers beyond WN with its technology.


RDUAA is extremely shortsighted. Another example: they wasted all this money on changing all the parking area names to less descriptive ones ("Economy", "Central", Premier", etc) and adding this dumb reservations system that I hear still doesn't work properly. I'd be willing to bet there is a team of consultants laughing their arse off about selling that garbage idea to the hicks at RDUAA. A far better use of money would have been to increase the main parking decks' capacities. They are full during the middle of many weeks (read: lost revenue and added traffic (as cars have to circle to cheaper park and ride lots)).
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:25 am

RDUDDJI wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:

That being said RDUAA is among the worst for decision making. The bottleneck design of T2 security baffles me for a post 9/11 designed terminal. Same for making T1 so small and not ready for other carriers beyond WN with its technology.


RDUAA is extremely shortsighted. Another example: they wasted all this money on changing all the parking area names to less descriptive ones ("Economy", "Central", Premier", etc) and adding this dumb reservations system that I hear still doesn't work properly. I'd be willing to bet there is a team of consultants laughing their arse off about selling that garbage idea to the hicks at RDUAA. A far better use of money would have been to increase the main parking decks' capacities. They are full during the middle of many weeks (read: lost revenue and added traffic (as cars have to circle to cheaper park and ride lots)).


I don't think RDU wants to extend the parking until they get two things - one is money, and the second is the land. The land will come when the car rental counters are consolidated - then they can extend the parking lots. The tie up of them not being able to lease the land for mining is only hurting the area.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:24 am

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I don't think RDU wants to extend the parking until they get two things - one is money, and the second is the land. The land will come when the car rental counters are consolidated - then they can extend the parking lots. The tie up of them not being able to lease the land for mining is only hurting the area.


There's room for expansion adjacent to the current decks on the NE side. It could be possible that they don't want to use that area, because of future road improvements for the loop road between the terminals, but I don't think I've seen that in the plan. They could also start demolishing the old Term C (3 story) deck and build taller decks there (between the 7 story deck and Term 2 currently).

The rental car facilities are currently all offsite, so they should be no issue.

I suspect RDUAA like other airports is waiting to see what the long term effects of the ride-sharing industry are. But not expanding parking for 15+ years (while experiencing double digit growth for about half of that) isn't great preparation for the future.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:22 am

RDUDDJI wrote:
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I don't think RDU wants to extend the parking until they get two things - one is money, and the second is the land. The land will come when the car rental counters are consolidated - then they can extend the parking lots. The tie up of them not being able to lease the land for mining is only hurting the area.


There's room for expansion adjacent to the current decks on the NE side. It could be possible that they don't want to use that area, because of future road improvements for the loop road between the terminals, but I don't think I've seen that in the plan. They could also start demolishing the old Term C (3 story) deck and build taller decks there (between the 7 story deck and Term 2 currently).

The rental car facilities are currently all offsite, so they should be no issue.

I suspect RDUAA like other airports is waiting to see what the long term effects of the ride-sharing industry are. But not expanding parking for 15+ years (while experiencing double digit growth for about half of that) isn't great preparation for the future.


consolidated rental car lot closer to the terminal means (I would assume) a fair amount of close in parking spaces that could be for originating RDU passengers WON'T be available, since it'll be full of rental cars for inbound RDU passengers renting. More close in garage parking is still some time away for the RDU folks, I believe
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:11 pm

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:23 pm

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DL launches RDU-JAX in September: Delta Air Lines operated by GoJet Airlines 6219 RDU-JAX 4 CR7 Times: 2030-2208
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Sweet! But SJC has to be soon as it was just announced a focus city.. and where is AMS and YYZ/YYC???
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:44 pm

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DL launches RDU-JAX in September: Delta Air Lines operated by GoJet Airlines 6219 RDU-JAX 4 CR7 Times: 2030-2208
Daily evening CR7


Sweet! But SJC has to be soon as it was just announced a focus city.. and where is AMS and YYZ/YYC???

So many better markets in the US for DL to add. Calgary doesn’t have the PDEW and YYZ is plenty well serviced/can be connected through LGA. LAS and DFW are far more likely.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:06 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
DL launches RDU-JAX in September: Delta Air Lines operated by GoJet Airlines 6219 RDU-JAX 4 CR7 Times: 2030-2208
Daily evening CR7


Sweet! But SJC has to be soon as it was just announced a focus city.. and where is AMS and YYZ/YYC???

So many better markets in the US for DL to add. Calgary doesn’t have the PDEW and YYZ is plenty well serviced/can be connected through LGA. LAS and DFW are far more likely.


DL is already adding RDU-LAS, albeit 1x weekly, but still
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:21 am

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Sweet! But SJC has to be soon as it was just announced a focus city.. and where is AMS and YYZ/YYC???

So many better markets in the US for DL to add. Calgary doesn’t have the PDEW and YYZ is plenty well serviced/can be connected through LGA. LAS and DFW are far more likely.


DL is already adding RDU-LAS, albeit 1x weekly, but still

January 2020 on Saturdays. Not overly exciting.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:27 pm

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So many better markets in the US for DL to add. Calgary doesn’t have the PDEW and YYZ is plenty well serviced/can be connected through LGA. LAS and DFW are far more likely.


DL is already adding RDU-LAS, albeit 1x weekly, but still

January 2020 on Saturdays. Not overly exciting.


Well technically Jan-March, but DL hasn't touched their April-May schedules yet, so it might continue or go daily
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:06 pm

Whatever happened to the WN RDU-SJC flight that was supposed to start June 2019?
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:36 pm

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Whatever happened to the WN RDU-SJC flight that was supposed to start June 2019?


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